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Re: List Closing Down
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Cassandra Summit SF
Hi Folks, If anyone is in San Francisco this week for Cassandra Summit then shoot me on Twitter. Would be nice to meet some folks when I have the chance. Thanks Lewis -- ` : : , : #+`. ,,`, ` ;##` .`,. ;;':;` `` ##@.;.;: ,;+;;;';;';;';'` ```,###: .,;; +;;'';;+;;;';;` ```#+##'``;+ '';;;'';;';;;';;;` ```,##+#@:: ''';';;';+;;';;':::+: ```.#'';';+;;';';';;';;';;':,;: '#+#+#';';''';;';';;';;';':: ;;:';,##''';'';;';';;'';;;'::';;;':.``` `.,`;;;++';'';;';'';;';;;';;'::';;:;';;;:: :`,.,.`:';+#+;;''';'';';';;';;';;';;;'::;';:;. .`..;,:`';;';';;;'+#+';;''+';;';:'';;';';;;':::;,:` ` ,`:. ;;;';';;;++#+'';''';''+;;';;';::';';;:.. ` `` ;;;';';';';;'+###+';';'';;';;';;';;';;;';;',:. ` ` `;:;;';';';;;'+;';';;';;';;';;';;'';;';';::; `.;,:::;::;';';;'#++''';;';;;'';+';:::''::;;..: ```:,'::,;';';;;';;;''##+++'';;';;';;;''';;':,,,:.:,.` ```..::,;';:;';';';;;';';';';'''++###+'+;';;;';;;';;:;.:..:.., ,;;:;:;';''';''++##+++.:..:.,; ` `.``,,:,';;::;;::';';;;';';;';';;';';;';;';';';'++#+###@#++:...,,.;:. `:.';.,;;',,;;;';';;';;':;;;';';;';;';';';;';;;''.:,:.,:'#@'::, ```.:,';;.::':';';',;;;';;':;';;';;';;;';;';'';;.;.,.:..,:.:: ``:::',:;';;,:;;',:';';;':';';;;';;'::';;;,..,.,.,:+` `..:'+:';;',;';,:;:';;;,,';::,';;',,';;.:.:;, ``,.';;:':,;:;,,:;:::``..,:,`` :`;;` ``: ,:` http://people.apache.org/~lewismc || @hectorMcSpector || http://www.linkedin.com/in/lmcgibbney Apache Gora V.P || Apache Nutch PMC || Apache Any23 V.P || Apache OODT PMC || Apache Open Climate Workbench PMC || Apache Tika PMC || Apache TAC
Pasadena-Big-Data-Users-Group Meetup
Hi Community@, CC'd Felix Chern For anyone in the Los Angeles (Pasadena) area, feel free to come along to a new meetup we have been organizing. See the meetup page: http://www.meetup.com/Pasadena-Big-Data-Users-Group/ There is also a collaborative document to collect ideas for the user group: https://hackpad.com/Pasadena-Big-Data-User-Group-o6glmgea2A7 The first meetup is on Thursday, September 25, 2014 @7:00 PM @888 E Walnut Street, Pasadena, CA. See you there. Best Lewis -- ` : : , : #+`. ,,`, ` ;##` .`,. ;;':;` `` ##@.;.;: ,;+;;;';;';;';'` ```,###: .,;; +;;'';;+;;;';;` ```#+##'``;+ '';;;'';;';;;';;;` ```,##+#@:: ''';';;';+;;';;':::+: ```.#'';';+;;';';';;';;';;':,;: '#+#+#';';''';;';';;';;';':: ;;:';,##''';'';;';';;'';;;'::';;;':.``` `.,`;;;++';'';;';'';;';;;';;'::';;:;';;;:: :`,.,.`:';+#+;;''';'';';';;';;';;';;;'::;';:;. .`..;,:`';;';';;;'+#+';;''+';;';:'';;';';;;':::;,:` ` ,`:. ;;;';';;;++#+'';''';''+;;';;';::';';;:.. ` `` ;;;';';';';;'+###+';';'';;';;';;';;';;;';;',:. ` ` `;:;;';';';;;'+;';';;';;';;';;';;'';;';';::; `.;,:::;::;';';;'#++''';;';;;'';+';:::''::;;..: ```:,'::,;';';;;';;;''##+++'';;';;';;;''';;':,,,:.:,.` ```..::,;';:;';';';;;';';';';'''++###+'+;';;;';;;';;:;.:..:.., ,;;:;:;';''';''++##+++.:..:.,; ` `.``,,:,';;::;;::';';;;';';;';';;';';;';;';';';'++#+###@#++:...,,.;:. `:.';.,;;',,;;;';';;';;':;;;';';;';;';';';;';;;''.:,:.,:'#@'::, ```.:,';;.::':';';',;;;';;':;';;';;';;;';;';'';;.;.,.:..,:.:: ``:::',:;';;,:;;',:';';;':';';;;';;'::';;;,..,.,.,:+` `..:'+:';;',;';,:;:';;;,,';::,';;',,';;.:.:;, ``,.';;:':,;:;,,:;:::``..,:,`` :`;;` ``: ,:` http://people.apache.org/~lewismc || @hectorMcSpector || http://www.linkedin.com/in/lmcgibbney Apache Gora V.P || Apache Nutch PMC || Apache Any23 V.P || Apache OODT PMC || Apache Open Climate Workbench PMC || Apache Tika PMC || Apache TAC
Donate Domain Name to TheASF
Hi Folks, Last week on #asfinfra I asked how I could go about accepting a donation of a domain name (or two) into the ASF. I got no response. Does anyone have an idea of how we can do this? A member of the Apache Any23 project wishes to donate any23.org and any23.com to the ASF The former domain currently points to any23-vm.apache.org It is used quite a lot and we would really like to maintain this DNS however I have no idea about how to progress. Is there a precedent for this? Thanks for any info. Lewis -- ` : : , : #+`. ,,`, ` ;##` .`,. ;;':;` `` ##@.;.;: ,;+;;;';;';;';'` ```,###: .,;; +;;'';;+;;;';;` ```#+##'``;+ '';;;'';;';;;';;;` ```,##+#@:: ''';';;';+;;';;':::+: ```.#'';';+;;';';';;';;';;':,;: '#+#+#';';''';;';';;';;';':: ;;:';,##''';'';;';';;'';;;'::';;;':.``` `.,`;;;++';'';;';'';;';;;';;'::';;:;';;;:: :`,.,.`:';+#+;;''';'';';';;';;';;';;;'::;';:;. .`..;,:`';;';';;;'+#+';;''+';;';:'';;';';;;':::;,:` ` ,`:. ;;;';';;;++#+'';''';''+;;';;';::';';;:.. ` `` ;;;';';';';;'+###+';';'';;';;';;';;';;;';;',:. ` ` `;:;;';';';;;'+;';';;';;';;';;';;'';;';';::; `.;,:::;::;';';;'#++''';;';;;'';+';:::''::;;..: ```:,'::,;';';;;';;;''##+++'';;';;';;;''';;':,,,:.:,.` ```..::,;';:;';';';;;';';';';'''++###+'+;';;;';;;';;:;.:..:.., ,;;:;:;';''';''++##+++.:..:.,; ` `.``,,:,';;::;;::';';;;';';;';';;';';;';;';';';'++#+###@#++:...,,.;:. `:.';.,;;',,;;;';';;';;':;;;';';;';;';';';;';;;''.:,:.,:'#@'::, ```.:,';;.::':';';',;;;';;':;';;';;';;;';;';'';;.;.,.:..,:.:: ``:::',:;';;,:;;',:';';;':';';;;';;'::';;;,..,.,.,:+` `..:'+:';;',;';,:;:';;;,,';::,';;',,';;.:.:;, ``,.';;:':,;:;,,:;:::``..,:,`` :`;;` ``: ,:` http://people.apache.org/~lewismc || @hectorMcSpector || http://www.linkedin.com/in/lmcgibbney Apache Gora V.P || Apache Nutch PMC || Apache Any23 V.P || Apache OODT PMC || Apache Open Climate Workbench PMC || Apache Tika PMC || Apache TAC
Re: Donate Domain Name to TheASF
Plenty of precedent for this. INFRA-6243 is an example ticket. In short - create a ticket so we keep track of it. Send the transfer codes to root@ and infra will take care of it. After it's transferred we'll work on DNS --David On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM, lewis john mcgibbney lewi...@apache.org wrote: Hi Folks, Last week on #asfinfra I asked how I could go about accepting a donation of a domain name (or two) into the ASF. I got no response. Does anyone have an idea of how we can do this? A member of the Apache Any23 project wishes to donate any23.org and any23.com to the ASF The former domain currently points to any23-vm.apache.org It is used quite a lot and we would really like to maintain this DNS however I have no idea about how to progress. Is there a precedent for this? Thanks for any info. Lewis -- ` : : , : #+`. ,,`, ` ;##` .`,. ;;':;` `` ##@.;.;: ,;+;;;';;';;';'` ```,###: .,;; +;;'';;+;;;';;` ```#+##'``;+ '';;;'';;';;;';;;` ```,##+#@:: ''';';;';+;;';;':::+: ```.#'';';+;;';';';;';;';;':,;: '#+#+#';';''';;';';;';;';':: ;;:';,##''';'';;';';;'';;;'::';;;':.``` `.,`;;;++';'';;';'';;';;;';;'::';;:;';;;:: :`,.,.`:';+#+;;''';'';';';;';;';;';;;'::;';:;. .`..;,:`';;';';;;'+#+';;''+';;';:'';;';';;;':::;,:` ` ,`:. ;;;';';;;++#+'';''';''+;;';;';::';';;:.. ` `` ;;;';';';';;'+###+';';'';;';;';;';;';;;';;',:. ` ` `;:;;';';';;;'+;';';;';;';;';;';;'';;';';::; `.;,:::;::;';';;'#++''';;';;;'';+';:::''::;;..: ```:,'::,;';';;;';;;''##+++'';;';;';;;''';;':,,,:.:,.` ```..::,;';:;';';';;;';';';';'''++###+'+;';;;';;;';;:;.:..:.., ,;;:;:;';''';''++##+++.:..:.,; ` `.``,,:,';;::;;::';';;;';';;';';;';';;';;';';';'++#+###@#++:...,,.;:. `:.';.,;;',,;;;';';;';;':;;;';';;';;';';';;';;;''.:,:.,:'#@'::, ```.:,';;.::':';';',;;;';;':;';;';;';;;';;';'';;.;.,.:..,:.:: ``:::',:;';;,:;;',:';';;':';';;;';;'::';;;,..,.,.,:+` `..:'+:';;',;';,:;:';;;,,';::,';;',,';;.:.:;, ``,.';;:':,;:;,,:;:::``..,:,`` :`;;` ``: ,:` http://people.apache.org/~lewismc || @hectorMcSpector || http://www.linkedin.com/in/lmcgibbney Apache Gora V.P || Apache Nutch PMC || Apache Any23 V.P || Apache OODT PMC || Apache Open Climate Workbench PMC || Apache Tika PMC || Apache TAC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Time to propose a CS Capstone Project!
On 13 August 2014 22:46, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: WOW Steve, thank you for posting. This looks termendous. I did it last year (with super help from Steve), and can only recommend it. It was a good experience to work with skilled students. I will submit a project again this year. Rgds jan I. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:44 PM, community-digest-h...@apache.org wrote: community Digest 13 Aug 2014 20:44:12 - Issue 695 Topics (messages 5219 through 5219) Time to propose a CS Capstone Project! 5219 by: shathawa.e-z.net
Time to propose a CS Capstone Project!
Forwarded from a previous CS Capstone Project mentor. The CS Capstone Project is for senior engineering and computer science students. I have spent time on the campus and find that many of the students are very interested in anything open-source software. Oregon State University is the largest technical university in Oregon, located in Corvallis, Oregon, USA. I am located within commute distance of the university campus. Steven J. Hathaway ASF Xalan PMC Subject: Time to propose a CS Capstone Project! Colleagues -- Have you always wanted a particular software tool developed for your use, but have never had the time to do it yourself? Well then, read on. Have I got a deal for you! My name is Kevin McGrath. I am the instructor who runs the OSU Computer Science Senior Capstone class. The Capstone class is a 3-quarter (Fall, Winter, Spring) career preparation experience. The major piece of this is doing a significant 2-4 member team project. When the students come to the first class on September 29, I want to present them with a list of exciting, creative, and real-experience software engineering project possibilities. This is where you come in. I am looking for you to use your needs and experience to propose those project possibilities. A web site has been setup to give you more information, and let you enter and edit your project proposals: http://classes.engr.oregonstate.edu/eecs/fall2013/ece441/addproject.php You have until September 29 to get yours in. That is the date the students will see them, and will start the selection process. In that process, I ask the students to bid on their top 3 choices. I ultimately make the final project assignments, but I try to take their preferences into account. I find I get better results that way. There will likely be more projects proposed than students teams to do them. *So, really sell your project.* Definitely don't understate its cool-ness factor! After projects have been selected, we will follow a client-contractor model in which I run the software contract company and you are one of our valued clients. The students report to me, but you, as client, work directly with them to design the requirements, set the timeline, approve the progress. You also get to help assign grades. Any project can be proposed from anybody. I don't care where you are from, just that your project represents an excellent software engineering experience for the students. Do remember, however, that these are seniors. They have taken the core classes so far, but most have not taken some of the electives that would really help in some projects, such as graphics, AI, computer vision, etc. Keep that in mind when proposing. If you have questions or want to discuss project possibilities, feel free to contact me at: D. Kevin McGrath Instructor, Computer Science Oregon State University 2109 Kelley Engineering Center 541-737-1420 dmcgr...@cs.oregonstate.edu Thanks for your time -- I look forward to working with you! -- Kevin McGrath - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Time to propose a CS Capstone Project!
WOW Steve, thank you for posting. This looks termendous. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:44 PM, community-digest-h...@apache.org wrote: community Digest 13 Aug 2014 20:44:12 - Issue 695 Topics (messages 5219 through 5219) Time to propose a CS Capstone Project! 5219 by: shathawa.e-z.net
Re: Non-released Dependencies
Agreed that #2 is best. (and I'll also note I was a bit slack with some commentary; releases need to be signed, so a path/revision or git-tag is not necessarily a true release; just trying to get across that you need a *specific* set of source for a dependency) Seems that Andreas is going to explore some options at dev@pdfbox. Cheers, -g On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I think the key bit here is that releases of Apache projects must have an associated source release and have been voted on by the PMC making the release. If the project you depend on is an independent project, you need to remember that their -SNAPSHOT build is *not* a release. Therefore you need it to become a release to include it. You therefore have three choices: 1. Fork the code into your project and do a big-bang release... a rude option but once it's in your project your PMC can vote to release it. 2. Join the dependent project and help them get to a release 3. Find somebody outside the ASF (or at a minimum not wearing an ASF hat) and get them to fork the code you want and release that. Then you can depend on the non-ASF fork of the ASF project... again a rude option, but perhaps less so than #1 I vote you go for #2. It plays best with community which is what we are here to foster On 25 July 2014 15:26, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: [adding dev@community, as I believe this should go there...] On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi, there's an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. The fact that it is an Apache project is *key* for my commentary below. Don't take my words for external projects, please :-P I know there's a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don't know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. That's why you can't find it... I don't recall any such policy (over the past 15+ years I've been around) ... it just isn't a good idea. That's all. The following link: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what is apparently not convincing enough. I'm answered that this concerns our own project but that it's fine to do an official release containing a snapshot binary. Well. You need to produce a full set of sources. No binaries. Those sources might be by-reference, but you definitely can't release a binary within your source distribution. Even if that other Apache project had a release you're happy with, there would be a source release available for it. Saying that every binary artefact has to be backed by source code and that, in the case of a snapshot, we have to point to some Subversion revision number, is apparently not convincing enough either. Despite the obvious dependency nightmare that that would cause to users (and, in particular, Maven users and Linux distributions). Pause. This is not negotiable. You *must* have a source release. If you do that through a signed tarball, or through a git tag, or a Subversion revision number ... all of these identify a *specific* set of source code. That satisfies the need. You raise some concerns about nightmares... sure. Telling users you must get r123 of /some/path, for $LIBRARY is not exactly friendly. BUT: it satisfies all release requirements. It will specify the exact dependency. Good to go. Does anybody have any official reference to point at, that I may have missed? More convincing arguments, legal reasons (should I forward to legal-discuss@)? Much of this kind of stuff is institutional knowledge because having to write down rules and procedures just sucks. It is such a rare event, that it is best to leave it for the particular situation. There are no legal ramifications, if you're talking about a sibling Apache project. Now... you *should not* do any sort of release of a sibling. That will screw over that community. (version skew, unsupported bits, issue tracking, blah blah) I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. Cheers, -g
Re: Non-released Dependencies
On 28 July 2014 10:20, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed that #2 is best. (and I'll also note I was a bit slack with some commentary; releases need to be signed, Also source releases must be published via the ASF mirror system. so a path/revision or git-tag is not necessarily a true s/necessarily// release; just trying to get across that you need a *specific* set of source for a dependency) Seems that Andreas is going to explore some options at dev@pdfbox. Cheers, -g On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: I think the key bit here is that releases of Apache projects must have an associated source release and have been voted on by the PMC making the release. If the project you depend on is an independent project, you need to remember that their -SNAPSHOT build is *not* a release. Therefore you need it to become a release to include it. You therefore have three choices: 1. Fork the code into your project and do a big-bang release... a rude option but once it's in your project your PMC can vote to release it. 2. Join the dependent project and help them get to a release 3. Find somebody outside the ASF (or at a minimum not wearing an ASF hat) and get them to fork the code you want and release that. Then you can depend on the non-ASF fork of the ASF project... again a rude option, but perhaps less so than #1 I vote you go for #2. It plays best with community which is what we are here to foster On 25 July 2014 15:26, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: [adding dev@community, as I believe this should go there...] On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi, there's an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. The fact that it is an Apache project is *key* for my commentary below. Don't take my words for external projects, please :-P I know there's a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don't know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. That's why you can't find it... I don't recall any such policy (over the past 15+ years I've been around) ... it just isn't a good idea. That's all. The following link: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what is apparently not convincing enough. I'm answered that this concerns our own project but that it's fine to do an official release containing a snapshot binary. Well. You need to produce a full set of sources. No binaries. Those sources might be by-reference, but you definitely can't release a binary within your source distribution. Even if that other Apache project had a release you're happy with, there would be a source release available for it. Saying that every binary artefact has to be backed by source code and that, in the case of a snapshot, we have to point to some Subversion revision number, is apparently not convincing enough either. Despite the obvious dependency nightmare that that would cause to users (and, in particular, Maven users and Linux distributions). Pause. This is not negotiable. You *must* have a source release. If you do that through a signed tarball, or through a git tag, or a Subversion revision number ... all of these identify a *specific* set of source code. That satisfies the need. You raise some concerns about nightmares... sure. Telling users you must get r123 of /some/path, for $LIBRARY is not exactly friendly. BUT: it satisfies all release requirements. It will specify the exact dependency. Good to go. Does anybody have any official reference to point at, that I may have missed? More convincing arguments, legal reasons (should I forward to legal-discuss@)? Much of this kind of stuff is institutional knowledge because having to write down rules and procedures just sucks. It is such a rare event, that it is best to leave it for the particular situation. There are no legal ramifications, if you're talking about a sibling Apache project. Now... you *should not* do any sort of release of a sibling. That will screw over that community. (version skew, unsupported bits, issue tracking, blah blah) I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. Cheers, -g - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Non-released Dependencies
Am 26.07.2014 15:53, schrieb Andreas Lehmkuehler: Am 25.07.2014 16:26, schrieb Greg Stein: I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. Just to clarify. We are talking about FontBox which is part of the PDFBox project. We don't have any difficulties to release a new version. We are working on a new major release containing a lot of new stuff and refactorings. Some of them are within FontBox but most are within the core component itself. We are planning to cut a release in the late summer but we can't guarantee that as there are still a lot of things to do. Any help is welcome, but most of the stuff isn't about FontBox anymore but the PDF spec and java rendering stuff. Saying that, I'm afraid the FOP guys have to fork FontBox if they are in a hurry. There is maybe another alternative. Maybe it's possible to backport those needed features from the 2.0-SNAPSHOT to the 1.8-branch? But I guess that's something we should discuss on dev@pdfbox. Cheers, -g BR Andreas Lehmkühler, PDFBox Chair BR Andreas Lehmkühler - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Non-released Dependencies
Am 25.07.2014 16:26, schrieb Greg Stein: I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. Just to clarify. We are talking about FontBox which is part of the PDFBox project. We don't have any difficulties to release a new version. We are working on a new major release containing a lot of new stuff and refactorings. Some of them are within FontBox but most are within the core component itself. We are planning to cut a release in the late summer but we can't guarantee that as there are still a lot of things to do. Any help is welcome, but most of the stuff isn't about FontBox anymore but the PDF spec and java rendering stuff. Saying that, I'm afraid the FOP guys have to fork FontBox if they are in a hurry. Cheers, -g BR Andreas Lehmkühler, PDFBox Chair - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Non-released Dependencies
Hi, there’s an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. I know there’s a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don’t know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. The following link: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what is apparently not convincing enough. I’m answered that this concerns our own project but that it’s fine to do an official release containing a snapshot binary. Saying that every binary artefact has to be backed by source code and that, in the case of a snapshot, we have to point to some Subversion revision number, is apparently not convincing enough either. Despite the obvious dependency nightmare that that would cause to users (and, in particular, Maven users and Linux distributions). Does anybody have any official reference to point at, that I may have missed? More convincing arguments, legal reasons (should I forward to legal-discuss@)? Thanks, Vincent - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Non-released Dependencies
Le 25/07/2014 13:06, Vincent Hennebert a écrit : Hi, there’s an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. I know there’s a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don’t know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. Just consider the technical aspects of the problem : how do you identify the non-released package ? By a timestamp ? How do you associate this timestamp with some source ? For an external user having some problem with your project, just because there is something wrong in this non-release package, how do you think someone can help debugging the problem ? How do you track the exact code associated with this non-released package? This is just common sense, and anyone who has already worked with non-released/non-trackable packages know exactly what I mean. Otherwise, if common sense is not enough, you can probably use http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-dependencies, (Where appropriate) check the that the application is built against the correct versions Now, assuming the dependencies are Apache projects, then you can't release them into your own project release, if they aren't themselves released, per http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what : Under no circumstances are unapproved builds a substitute for releases. and again, from http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-dependencies : dependencies should comply with the current apache policy By depending on a non-released component, you are breaking these rules, AFAICT. IMHO, leveraging common-sense should be enough... my2cts - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Non-released Dependencies
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote: there's an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. I know there's a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don't know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. The following link: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what is apparently not convincing enough. I'm answered that this concerns our own project but that it's fine to do an official release containing a snapshot binary. Saying that every binary artefact has to be backed by source code and that, in the case of a snapshot, we have to point to some Subversion revision number, is apparently not convincing enough either. Despite the obvious dependency nightmare that that would cause to users (and, in particular, Maven users and Linux distributions). Does anybody have any official reference to point at, that I may have missed? More convincing arguments, legal reasons (should I forward to legal-discuss@)? There are many topics on which only guidelines exist. In my opinion as an ASF member, this is not one of them. http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#what the fundamental requirement for a release is that it consist of the necessary source code to build the project That doesn't just mean building the project at the moment. It means 3 or 5 years down the road. Building against a snapshot isn't reproducible in the long term. If a user at some point cannot change a line of code in your release and recompile the code, you've failed to meet the release requirements. Again, having your release buildable from code is the *ONLY* requirement for a release (other than legally owning the code). You can publish a release which is completely non-functional and unsuitable for the purpose for which it was designed (we hope you will not), but you cannot publish a release which is not buildable from source. As for addressing the specific situation, In order to make an acceptable release against a snapshot, you would need to bundle a buildable version of the snapshot source code (ie, an internal release of that source code) as part of your release. However, since the dependency is on another ASF project, there's really no reason not to just get that other project to create an official release for you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Non-released Dependencies
[adding dev@community, as I believe this should go there...] On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi, there's an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. The fact that it is an Apache project is *key* for my commentary below. Don't take my words for external projects, please :-P I know there's a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don't know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. That's why you can't find it... I don't recall any such policy (over the past 15+ years I've been around) ... it just isn't a good idea. That's all. The following link: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what is apparently not convincing enough. I'm answered that this concerns our own project but that it's fine to do an official release containing a snapshot binary. Well. You need to produce a full set of sources. No binaries. Those sources might be by-reference, but you definitely can't release a binary within your source distribution. Even if that other Apache project had a release you're happy with, there would be a source release available for it. Saying that every binary artefact has to be backed by source code and that, in the case of a snapshot, we have to point to some Subversion revision number, is apparently not convincing enough either. Despite the obvious dependency nightmare that that would cause to users (and, in particular, Maven users and Linux distributions). Pause. This is not negotiable. You *must* have a source release. If you do that through a signed tarball, or through a git tag, or a Subversion revision number ... all of these identify a *specific* set of source code. That satisfies the need. You raise some concerns about nightmares... sure. Telling users you must get r123 of /some/path, for $LIBRARY is not exactly friendly. BUT: it satisfies all release requirements. It will specify the exact dependency. Good to go. Does anybody have any official reference to point at, that I may have missed? More convincing arguments, legal reasons (should I forward to legal-discuss@)? Much of this kind of stuff is institutional knowledge because having to write down rules and procedures just sucks. It is such a rare event, that it is best to leave it for the particular situation. There are no legal ramifications, if you're talking about a sibling Apache project. Now... you *should not* do any sort of release of a sibling. That will screw over that community. (version skew, unsupported bits, issue tracking, blah blah) I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. Cheers, -g
Re: Non-released Dependencies
We followed option # 1 in Apache Geronimo. We grabbed the source for the dependency projects and built it out of the branch and eventual tag. We hard too many dependencies to wait for all projects to sync up. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 PGP Key: 0x0F143BC1 Aut Inveniam Viam Aut Faciam translated - I shall either find a way or make one. The phrase has been attributed to Hannibal; when his generals told him it was impossible to cross the Alps by elephant, On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Non-released Dependencies
I think the key bit here is that releases of Apache projects must have an associated source release and have been voted on by the PMC making the release. If the project you depend on is an independent project, you need to remember that their -SNAPSHOT build is *not* a release. Therefore you need it to become a release to include it. You therefore have three choices: 1. Fork the code into your project and do a big-bang release... a rude option but once it's in your project your PMC can vote to release it. 2. Join the dependent project and help them get to a release 3. Find somebody outside the ASF (or at a minimum not wearing an ASF hat) and get them to fork the code you want and release that. Then you can depend on the non-ASF fork of the ASF project... again a rude option, but perhaps less so than #1 I vote you go for #2. It plays best with community which is what we are here to foster On 25 July 2014 15:26, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: [adding dev@community, as I believe this should go there...] On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi, there's an undergoing debate in the XML Graphics project about doing a release that has a dependency on a snapshot version of another (Apache, for that matter) project. The fact that it is an Apache project is *key* for my commentary below. Don't take my words for external projects, please :-P I know there's a policy at Apache to not release a project that has non-released dependencies. The problem is, I don't know how I know that... I cannot seem to be able to find any official documentation that explicitly states it. That's why you can't find it... I don't recall any such policy (over the past 15+ years I've been around) ... it just isn't a good idea. That's all. The following link: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what is apparently not convincing enough. I'm answered that this concerns our own project but that it's fine to do an official release containing a snapshot binary. Well. You need to produce a full set of sources. No binaries. Those sources might be by-reference, but you definitely can't release a binary within your source distribution. Even if that other Apache project had a release you're happy with, there would be a source release available for it. Saying that every binary artefact has to be backed by source code and that, in the case of a snapshot, we have to point to some Subversion revision number, is apparently not convincing enough either. Despite the obvious dependency nightmare that that would cause to users (and, in particular, Maven users and Linux distributions). Pause. This is not negotiable. You *must* have a source release. If you do that through a signed tarball, or through a git tag, or a Subversion revision number ... all of these identify a *specific* set of source code. That satisfies the need. You raise some concerns about nightmares... sure. Telling users you must get r123 of /some/path, for $LIBRARY is not exactly friendly. BUT: it satisfies all release requirements. It will specify the exact dependency. Good to go. Does anybody have any official reference to point at, that I may have missed? More convincing arguments, legal reasons (should I forward to legal-discuss@)? Much of this kind of stuff is institutional knowledge because having to write down rules and procedures just sucks. It is such a rare event, that it is best to leave it for the particular situation. There are no legal ramifications, if you're talking about a sibling Apache project. Now... you *should not* do any sort of release of a sibling. That will screw over that community. (version skew, unsupported bits, issue tracking, blah blah) I believe you have two options: fork their code into your project, and do some appropriate subpackage renaming to clarify it is distinct. Or, ideally, you join *their* community and help them cut a release, and then base your code on that. Cheers, -g
Re: Political Candidate Relations
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: I have decided to run for State Representative and often get questions from other candidates regarding ways government can be made more efficient. Do you think there is merit in technology groups such as Apache holding forums to educate elected officials on the value of open source? I've done a bit of talking to elected officials in various states about open source and open standards. There is certainly *a lot* of misinformation out there and need for education. In a sense this solves itself in another 20 years, due to generational shifts. But in the mean time it is not uncommon to hear a state senator claim that they cannot use open source because our documents are confidential and we can't have them read by just anyone (!) Procurement procedures are also an issue in many places. In some jurisdictions the government doesn't buy directly from a vendor, but through a middleman. The middleman gets a cut from the vendor, so they have an incentive to work with that vendor's products. With open source there is no kickback, since the product is free of charge. Of course, we all know there are other business models, but they are not as familiar to government. Also, the RFQ process essentially shifts the cost of product research from the government to the vendor. The government writes up requirements and asks the vendor to provide detailed responses, describing how their product meets those requirements. The vendor spends days tracking down the details for the government, in hopes of getting picked. We sometimes also get such RFQ's sent to Apache projects. But, as volunteers, we have no interest or incentive in spending days responding to such requests. Again, the middleman is key here. As for forums, we could get a lot of bang for the buck if we had a table at the annual NASCIO conference: http://www.nascio.org/ This is the national organization of state CIO's. Another approach, for something local in CT, is to have university sponsorship of a workshop. Yale, for example, has done things related to open standards and government before. Regards, -Rob http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Henri Yandell bay...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. At risk of sounding flippant; the original poster didn't indicate he wanted a license that would be compatible with the definitions of free software or open source :) True, but it was posted on an Apache community list, which kind of implies it :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Political Candidate Relations
On 07/02/2014 02:20 PM, McGovern, James wrote: I have decided to run for State Representative and often get questions from other candidates regarding ways government can be made more efficient. Do you think there is merit in technology groups such as Apache holding forums to educate elected officials on the value of open source? http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT I know that this isn't an answer to your question, but ... I strongly recommend Jason Hibbets' book The Foundation for an Open Source City. He keynoted at ApacheCon in Denver, and I would be glad to put you in touch with him. He thinks a lot about this topic, and has met with many government officials about applying the principles of Open Source to government. We also had another talk at ApacheCon on this topic, although at this moment I can't remember who gave that talk. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: Government License
Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. -- David N. Welton http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton dav...@dedasys.com: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. -- David N. Welton http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
AW: Government License
Even if you could exclude cyber crime and spying from a legal use by your license - do you really think that these users would follow your license? Jan Von: Johannes Geppert [mailto:jo...@apache.org] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 An: community@apache.org Betreff: Re: Government License Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton dav...@dedasys.com: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. -- David N. Welton http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
On 2 July 2014 09:42, Jan Matèrne j...@materne.de wrote: Even if you could exclude cyber crime and spying from a legal use by your license - do you really think that these users would follow your license? of course they would not, but that is beside the point. If you in a license exclude a specific group of people (like redhaired vikings), it would not hold up in court, and you run the risk of being sued for being against a minority. You can anytime exclude a specific use in your license, a good example is pro. licenses that often exclude use in conjunction with nuclear plants. Having made an exclusion in the license, is a possibility to sue for illegal use, or much more important, in case of goverments, bad press (much much effective at the fraction of the cost). rgds jan I Jan *Von:* Johannes Geppert [mailto:jo...@apache.org] *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 *An:* community@apache.org *Betreff:* Re: Government License Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton dav...@dedasys.com: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. -- David N. Welton http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. I'm with you, Jake.
Re: Government License
Op 2 jul. 2014, om 10:33 heeft Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. I'm with you, Jake. But I would like to keep the line exactly there - near what is generally seen as some sort of denial/exclusion to groups of _people_ based on some form of _prejudice_. As that follows the various legal systems, interpretation of the constitution or whatever in most countries (and almost certainly the contemporary interpretation of those). Excluding certain types of use, certain institutions or other ‚non people’ things is just as undesirable. But I think the situation around this is a bit more complex there - and I think, we, as a community, should cut developers a bit more slack. As there you run into the issue that local laws, legislation and regulation. Which can force developers in specific communities to be cautious for certain areas. A well known one is software used in nuclear installations; others are medical (in quite a few countries), military (in very few) and aviation (decreasingly the case). Dw.
Re: Government License
Nope... Freedome #0 and OSD #6 On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:37 AM, Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org wrote: Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
RE: Government License
The application of local law is a different matter. There is generally no reason to specify it in a license. Software with a mandated back-door or key-escrow arrangement in its implementation can certainly be open-source unless there is a legal prohibition of disclosing such code, in which case it is not open-source, is it (and that action may be in violation of an open-source license, but that’s a different matter). Disclaimers and statements of warranty are different, although some licenses require that disclaimers be preserved. It is one thing to disclaim software as unsuitable for use in situations where there are hazards to life and property, such as nuclear reactor control software or pacemaker devices, and another to have the software be open-source. The famous Java disclaimer about life-threatening situations is a disclaimer. The obligation to perpetuate the disclaimer is part of a licensing arrangement around the Java trademark and certification process, and doesn’t have anything to do with open-source licensing. The OpenJDK is under GPL2 with a class-path exception, so there is explicitly no warranty whatsoever for any use whatsoever. The special Java disclaimer is not present. (See http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9/jdk9/jdk/file/2df45ac1bf49/LICENSE. - Dennis From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:di...@webweaving.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 01:46 To: community@apache.org Cc: David Welton Subject: Re: Government License Op 2 jul. 2014, om 10:33 heeft Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com mailto:gst...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: [ … ] But I think the situation around this is a bit more complex there - and I think, we, as a community, should cut developers a bit more slack. As there you run into the issue that local laws, legislation and regulation. Which can force developers in specific communities to be cautious for certain areas. A well known one is software used in nuclear installations; others are medical (in quite a few countries), military (in very few) and aviation (decreasingly the case). Dw.
Political Candidate Relations
I have decided to run for State Representative and often get questions from other candidates regarding ways government can be made more efficient. Do you think there is merit in technology groups such as Apache holding forums to educate elected officials on the value of open source? http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT
Re: Political Candidate Relations
Yes, good idea. On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:20 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: I have decided to run for State Representative and often get questions from other candidates regarding ways government can be made more efficient. Do you think there is merit in technology groups such as Apache holding forums to educate elected officials on the value of open source? http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT
Re: Political Candidate Relations
James, In my opinion, government is more a management issue than advancing ideals and personal agendas. If this is possible, which I honestly doubt, things can get better. *Héctor M. Arroyo, BSIT/SE* *(352) 304-9427* On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Andrew Musselman andrew.mussel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, good idea. On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:20 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: I have decided to run for State Representative and often get questions from other candidates regarding ways government can be made more efficient. Do you think there is merit in technology groups such as Apache holding forums to educate elected officials on the value of open source? http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT
Re: Government License
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you happen to dislike. At risk of sounding flippant; the original poster didn't indicate he wanted a license that would be compatible with the definitions of free software or open source :) Hen
Re: Political Candidate Relations
I think that's the wrong question. We're (mostly) a bunch of programmers and know sod all about governance (much as each/most of us will happily expound on what we think we know :) ). I imagine however that many of us would happily offer up some time to hear about the problems that government faces being efficient and share anecdotes and history from our communities that may have useful analogies within the problems being faced by government. For example - I was at a conference where a government group were considering how they could best open source their legacy system and get 'the community' (quotes mine) to help with a rewrite. The press, media and our own self-marketing has convinced people that there are magic community elves waiting to do whatever work might come their way. I made the point that they had to start by identifying the community being talked about; and that that community should be the ones who feel the pain of an inadequate product and want to scratch it (shallow example in the interest of brevity :) ). Hen On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: I have decided to run for State Representative and often get questions from other candidates regarding ways government can be made more efficient. Do you think there is merit in technology groups such as Apache holding forums to educate elected officials on the value of open source? http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT
Re: Government License
Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Hen On Monday, June 30, 2014, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT
RE: Low level community
When you are blogging, don't forget to register your blog for http://planet.apache.org/committers/ by adding a new paragraph in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/planet/committers.ini so it become more popular. Jan
Re: Low level community
I wonder if the Attic needs a page on Staying out of the Attic :) That's a great idea. While there are a number of good, positive reasons for entering the attic, some projects slip there because they don't know how to attract new interest.
Government License
Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT
Re: Government License
On 06/30/2014 09:40 AM, McGovern, James wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. If so, it's automatically not compliant with the Open Source Definition: 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor (See: http://opensource.org/osd-annotated) Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net Twitter: @jzb http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
That wouldn't be an open source license. Remember freedom #1 - free to be able to use in any manner for any purpose. That said there are actually a number of licenses that 'no evil' clauses in them; and IIRC there are licenses that forbid use by the US government; though a quick google failed me. But again, they aren't open source. --David On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
Sure. But then it wouldn't be either an Open Source nor a Free Software license. On Jun 30, 2014, at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Government License
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. Aside from the question of whether this violates the definition of open source, there is also the question of federal sovereign immunity (called crown immunity in some countries), the concept by which a state limits its ability to be subject to civil suits. Regardsm -Rob http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Low level community
I think that a project that has a low level of activity is fine. As long as it can do its board reports to show that there is some level of monitoring, and that the PMC believes it can get the necessary 3 votes (with adequate notice) then so be it. Some software (eventually!) works. That software is still be valuable to the users. With a large number of TLPs, some are going to be in this state. Not attic-worthy, still useful, minimal active development. Andy On 28/06/14 18:14, Ross Gardler wrote: Keep working and make sure people know about your project. You can only attract devs by a) having something of value to then and b) ensuring they know about it. It takes effort and patience. Identify the most common use case for your code (today that is whatever keeps you involved), write a tutorial, blog, tweet, present, demo. Improve support for the use case, update tutorial, blog, tweet, demo etc. Rinse and repeat. One last thing, talk to yourself. That is tell the community (that is any lurkers) what you are doing, why and how. Ask for input, testing, contributions. It might feel like a waste of time if there is never a response, but one day there might be. Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos From: jan i mailto:j...@apache.org Sent: 6/28/2014 2:28 To: community@apache.org mailto:community@apache.org Subject: Re: Low level community On 28 June 2014 11:09, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com mailto:lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, community@ is the orrect place for this question. What do we* do when we have low level activity, low level community, generally speaking low level anything on a project? marketing :-) Make other committers interested in your project, e.g. by having a nice homepage, where it is easy to see how the reader can help your project and if there are projects related to your project, mail a polite question on their ML. rgds jan I. I am NOT talking about the attic. I am committed to ensuring the project is NOT going to the attic. Lewis * in the collective sense. Your, I, Us, Etc. -- /Lewis/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Low level community
Hi, On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: ...With a large number of TLPs, some are going to be in this state. Not attic-worthy, still useful, minimal active development... Agreed - and from the board's point of view it's good for such projects to mention in their reports that although their activity is minimal, they do have at least 3 active PMC members who can step in when needed. If that's the case, low activity and small communities are fine. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Low level community
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, community@ is the orrect place for this question. What do we* do when we have low level activity, low level community, generally speaking low level anything on a project? Other ideas worth exploring (I'm not sure what kind of project you talk about): * ensure that parts of the project worth separate use are packaged separately, so that people can feel compelled to use, and improve/maintain, them. Again, you need to publisize them * See if your project have reinvented wheels, i.e. parts that can be easily replaced with off the shelf components and that are adding no value (say a template engine with no special value, present because of historical reasons). If this is the case, maintenance can be simplified by substituting them with well-maintained components Regards Santiago I am NOT talking about the attic. I am committed to ensuring the project is NOT going to the attic. Lewis * in the collective sense. Your, I, Us, Etc. -- *Lewis*
Re: Low level community
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: ...With a large number of TLPs, some are going to be in this state. Not attic-worthy, still useful, minimal active development... Agreed - and from the board's point of view it's good for such projects to mention in their reports that although their activity is minimal, they do have at least 3 active PMC members who can step in when needed. If that's the case, low activity and small communities are fine. +1 I've added a note to this affect to the Describe the overall activity in the project over the past quarter. bullet in http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting -Bertrand - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Low level community
+1 to the decoupling part. The bigger the bump to join in, the less people will join. Other important items imo: * What is the value of your project? Is it valuable? Who is it valuable to? What is the larger community it is related to and what are the trends in that community? Are you also trending the same way? Basically put on a devil advocate hat, and try to convince yourself that your project is worth using. * Once you've identified where that larger community is, tweet to them (or other communication method). A quiet but constant monologue, a heartbeat. I think communities get the heartbeat at the gut level, a project whose heartbeat can't be heard is assumed to be dead. You need to establish that beat. * Communicate todo items too. If your community is full of hard core hackers, send out the gnarly problems while you fix the build. If, more typically, your project hides the painful and makes life easier for users, then typically you would send out the simpler issues while you deal with the gnarly. I wonder if the Attic needs a page on Staying out of the Attic :) Hen On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Santiago Gala santiago.g...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, community@ is the orrect place for this question. What do we* do when we have low level activity, low level community, generally speaking low level anything on a project? Other ideas worth exploring (I'm not sure what kind of project you talk about): * ensure that parts of the project worth separate use are packaged separately, so that people can feel compelled to use, and improve/maintain, them. Again, you need to publisize them * See if your project have reinvented wheels, i.e. parts that can be easily replaced with off the shelf components and that are adding no value (say a template engine with no special value, present because of historical reasons). If this is the case, maintenance can be simplified by substituting them with well-maintained components Regards Santiago I am NOT talking about the attic. I am committed to ensuring the project is NOT going to the attic. Lewis * in the collective sense. Your, I, Us, Etc. -- *Lewis*
Low level community
Hi Folks, community@ is the orrect place for this question. What do we* do when we have low level activity, low level community, generally speaking low level anything on a project? I am NOT talking about the attic. I am committed to ensuring the project is NOT going to the attic. Lewis * in the collective sense. Your, I, Us, Etc. -- *Lewis*
Re: Low level community
On 28 June 2014 11:09, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, community@ is the orrect place for this question. What do we* do when we have low level activity, low level community, generally speaking low level anything on a project? marketing :-) Make other committers interested in your project, e.g. by having a nice homepage, where it is easy to see how the reader can help your project and if there are projects related to your project, mail a polite question on their ML. rgds jan I. I am NOT talking about the attic. I am committed to ensuring the project is NOT going to the attic. Lewis * in the collective sense. Your, I, Us, Etc. -- *Lewis*
RE: Low level community
Keep working and make sure people know about your project. You can only attract devs by a) having something of value to then and b) ensuring they know about it. It takes effort and patience. Identify the most common use case for your code (today that is whatever keeps you involved), write a tutorial, blog, tweet, present, demo. Improve support for the use case, update tutorial, blog, tweet, demo etc. Rinse and repeat. One last thing, talk to yourself. That is tell the community (that is any lurkers) what you are doing, why and how. Ask for input, testing, contributions. It might feel like a waste of time if there is never a response, but one day there might be. Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos -Original Message- From: jan i j...@apache.org Sent: 6/28/2014 2:28 To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Subject: Re: Low level community On 28 June 2014 11:09, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, community@ is the orrect place for this question. What do we* do when we have low level activity, low level community, generally speaking low level anything on a project? marketing :-) Make other committers interested in your project, e.g. by having a nice homepage, where it is easy to see how the reader can help your project and if there are projects related to your project, mail a polite question on their ML. rgds jan I. I am NOT talking about the attic. I am committed to ensuring the project is NOT going to the attic. Lewis * in the collective sense. Your, I, Us, Etc. -- Lewis
What causes Apache “Request body read timeout” errors?
The server is Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) and the browser is Firefox 30.0, but this is a general question. It refers to lines like this in /var/log/apache2/error.log: [Fri Jun 20 17:42:16 2014] [info] [client 67.174.61.70] Request body read timeout Vlad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: What causes Apache “Request body read timeout” errors?
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Vladimir Kornea vlad.tscri...@gmail.com wrote: The server is Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) and the browser is Firefox 30.0, but this is a general question. It refers to lines like this in /var/log/apache2/error.log: [Fri Jun 20 17:42:16 2014] [info] [client 67.174.61.70] Request body read timeout You probably intended this for a mailing list specific to httpd: http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
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the flex mobilegrid's content out of the cell
Hello,i am a user of Apache Flex,last week i ask about the datagrid in mobile develop,you told me there is a mobilegrid,it's good,but i find when the content in a cell of the grid is too much,some of the content will disappear,so i user \n to wrap the word,and then i find the content is out of the cell,so how shoud i do to make all the content is a cell and will not be disappear or out?thanks! yours weskerjiang
Re: Forwarding emails
Hi, My rage...@apache.org address does not forward the emails either. It worked until two weeks ago, I think. I have checked the https://id.apache.org the infra-contact instrutions, and the user email instructions Konstantin sent (thanks). Also, in reply to Konstantin: 1. I do not received emails addressed to rage...@apache.org 2. I checked the Span of my email 3. The emails are silently disappearing. Thanks! Rodrigo On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:24 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Jay Vyas wrote: Hi, my j...@apache.org address doesnt seem to be forwarding my emails along. Any reason why this might be the case? You can ensure that your registered forwarding address is properly recorded: https://id.apache.org/ That is explained here: http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact -David -- Jay Vyas http://jayunit100.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Forwarding emails
Hi Rodrigo, You might see this, might be the reason: https://twitter.com/infrabot/status/466966488948424704 On Fri, May 9, 2014, at 08:02 AM, Rodrigo Agerri wrote: Hi, My rage...@apache.org address does not forward the emails either. It worked until two weeks ago, I think. I have checked the https://id.apache.org the infra-contact instrutions, and the user email instructions Konstantin sent (thanks). Also, in reply to Konstantin: 1. I do not received emails addressed to rage...@apache.org 2. I checked the Span of my email 3. The emails are silently disappearing. Thanks! Rodrigo On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:24 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Jay Vyas wrote: Hi, my j...@apache.org address doesnt seem to be forwarding my emails along. Any reason why this might be the case? You can ensure that your registered forwarding address is properly recorded: https://id.apache.org/ That is explained here: http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact -David -- Jay Vyas http://jayunit100.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net Twitter: @jzb http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Forwarding emails
Hi Emails addressed to my Apache address are not forwarded too. Best regards Krzysztof On 09.05.2014 15:02, Rodrigo Agerri wrote: Hi, My rage...@apache.org address does not forward the emails either. It worked until two weeks ago, I think. I have checked the https://id.apache.org the infra-contact instrutions, and the user email instructions Konstantin sent (thanks). Also, in reply to Konstantin: 1. I do not received emails addressed to rage...@apache.org 2. I checked the Span of my email 3. The emails are silently disappearing. Thanks! Rodrigo On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:24 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Jay Vyas wrote: Hi, my j...@apache.org address doesnt seem to be forwarding my emails along. Any reason why this might be the case? You can ensure that your registered forwarding address is properly recorded: https://id.apache.org/ That is explained here: http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact -David -- Jay Vyas http://jayunit100.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org -- Krzysztof Sobkowiak JEE OSS Architect | Technical Architect @ Capgemini Capgemini http://www.pl.capgemini.com/ | Software Solutions Center http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/ | Wroclaw e-mail: krzys.sobkow...@gmail.com mailto:krzys.sobkow...@gmail.com | Twitter: @KSobkowiak Calendar: http://goo.gl/yvsebC
Re: Anti-Discrimination policy and related topics
On 05/02/2014 02:41 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: In researching resources available within the ASF I came across this page: https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/ which states that an ASF Anti-Discrimination Policy is coming soon. It's worth noting that coming soon is in the first version of that page (r794049) in svn [1], which dates 2011-08-08 19:45:00 -0400 (Mon, 08 Aug 2011), so I wouldn't hold your breath. [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/production/www/content/foundation/policies -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Anti-Discrimination policy and related topics
On 5 May 2014 19:53, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 05/02/2014 02:41 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: In researching resources available within the ASF I came across this page: https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/ which states that an ASF Anti-Discrimination Policy is coming soon. It's worth noting that coming soon is in the first version of that page (r794049) in svn [1], which dates 2011-08-08 19:45:00 -0400 (Mon, 08 Aug 2011), so I wouldn't hold your breath. but if joan and the project comes up with a text, we should consider upgrading it to ASF level. We really could do with a policy put in words. rgds jan I. [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/production/www/ content/foundation/policies -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Anti-Discrimination policy and related topics
I was told that dev@community.a.o might be a better list for this. (Sorry for giving you bad advice.) On 2 May 2014 20:41, Joan Touzet jo...@atypical.net wrote: Hello there, We in the Apache CouchDB project have begun an effort to formalise its project bylaws, code of conduct and a diversity statement: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201404.mbox/%3CCAPaJBx7rQmDUg%3DXANLmphMcNLFg-Pnatnw3Hiqv3MmwB5-3LHw%40mail.gmail.com%3E http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201404.mbox/%3C7894944.18964.1398713330048.JavaMail.Joan%40RITA%3E http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201404.mbox/%3C2128537.18972.1398713605015.JavaMail.Joan%40RITA%3E In researching resources available within the ASF I came across this page: https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/ which states that an ASF Anti-Discrimination Policy is coming soon. I was wondering if draft text for this new policy could be shared with us, so that we might be able to incorporate some or all of it into our Code of Conduct and Diversity statements, even if just by reference. Further, are there any efforts at the ASF level to establish or provide additional guidelines beyond those that already exist, such as the 6 Apache Way items and the draft guidelines at http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html ? Best regards, Joan Touzet -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Anti-Discrimination policy and related topics
Hello there, We in the Apache CouchDB project have begun an effort to formalise its project bylaws, code of conduct and a diversity statement: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201404.mbox/%3CCAPaJBx7rQmDUg%3DXANLmphMcNLFg-Pnatnw3Hiqv3MmwB5-3LHw%40mail.gmail.com%3E http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201404.mbox/%3C7894944.18964.1398713330048.JavaMail.Joan%40RITA%3E http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201404.mbox/%3C2128537.18972.1398713605015.JavaMail.Joan%40RITA%3E In researching resources available within the ASF I came across this page: https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/ which states that an ASF Anti-Discrimination Policy is coming soon. I was wondering if draft text for this new policy could be shared with us, so that we might be able to incorporate some or all of it into our Code of Conduct and Diversity statements, even if just by reference. Further, are there any efforts at the ASF level to establish or provide additional guidelines beyond those that already exist, such as the 6 Apache Way items and the draft guidelines at http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html ? Best regards, Joan Touzet - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Forwarding emails
Hi, my j...@apache.org address doesnt seem to be forwarding my emails along. Any reason why this might be the case? -- Jay Vyas http://jayunit100.blogspot.com
Re: Forwarding emails
2014-04-30 7:49 GMT+04:00 Jay Vyas jayunit...@gmail.com: Hi, my j...@apache.org address doesnt seem to be forwarding my emails along. Any reason why this might be the case? 1. Which problem do you have? Sending e-mails with that address? Receiving e-mails to that address? Contacting infrastructure@? 2. A spam filter? E.g. I had a case when address verification e-mail was rejected because it was not in English. 3. Are e-mails bouncing back? Silently disappearing? 4. https://www.apache.org/dev/user-email.html Best regards, Konstantin Kolinko - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Forwarding emails
Jay Vyas wrote: Hi, my j...@apache.org address doesnt seem to be forwarding my emails along. Any reason why this might be the case? You can ensure that your registered forwarding address is properly recorded: https://id.apache.org/ That is explained here: http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact -David -- Jay Vyas http://jayunit100.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Open Source Organizational Culture
? Hi, As part of the research into a thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture, I want to send out a short survey to the Apache organization. However, given that the Apache community is so large, with numerous individual projects under its umbrella, I wanted to check with the community list first; both to seek explicit permission for doing so, and to figure out what would be the best way to send out such a survey without spamming the community. The survey is short (10-15 minutes), and the results - with raw but anonymized data - will be public, and available to the whole Open Source community. The larger the participation, the more statistically relevant data, and the better we can interpret the results across OSS as a whole. I have included the email I would want to send out below, for your consideration. Sincerely, Marius Storm-Olsen -- Hi, I would like to request your participation in a survey on Open Source Organizational Culture, which will provide valuable insight into how Open Source projects are run, how their participants act, how they might change going forward, and how particular Open Source projects compare with one another and with traditional business cultures. The survey will take 10-15 minutes to complete. http://bit.ly/OSOCAS2014 Why? The survey will be used as part of my thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture at BI Norwegian Business School (www.bi.no/enhttp://www.bi.no/en, or www.bi.eduhttp://www.bi.edu), but in true Open Source spirit the raw - but anonymized - results will be open for all. So, your Open Source project will be able to massage and dissect the results any way you wish, and see how you compare with other projects out there. Up until now, most research in Open Source culture has been based on mining mailing lists to find out how people act, who they interact with, and how projects organize themselves. In this research we would rather ask the participants directly about how a project is managed and what should change for the project to be spectacularly successful. When? - The survey is open now through May 1st. Where? -- The bit.ly address brings you to the following survey https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1587798/osocas-2014 Remember that you can save your progress at any time and come back to the survey at a later point when you have time to finish it. Who are you? My name is Marius Storm-Olsen, and I am currently working on a thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture. I've been an active part of Open Source for years, most notably on the Qt and Git projects. Although I have my own experiences to draw on in the thesis, they do not qualify for the Open Source community at large, hence the survey. How to help? If you want to help, feel free to forward this email to any Open Source project you would want to participate the survey. Once you have send the invitation, please either send me an email with the name of the project, or update the table shown on https://github.com/mstormo/OSOCAS/wiki I do hope you can participate, and thank you for your consideration! Best regards, Marius Storm-Olsen
Re: Open Source Organizational Culture
I would recommend sending the email to committers@a.o, but be aware that Apache participants, due to our visible spot in the open source ecosystem, get a *lot* of surveys and tend to ignore most of them. -- Rich Bowen, mobile edition rbo...@rcbowen.com On Apr 22, 2014 10:02 AM, Storm-Olsen, Marius marius.storm-ol...@student.bi.no wrote: Hi, As part of the research into a thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture, I want to send out a short survey to the Apache organization. However, given that the Apache community is so large, with numerous individual projects under its umbrella, I wanted to check with the community list first; both to seek explicit permission for doing so, and to figure out what would be the best way to send out such a survey without spamming the community. The survey is short (10-15 minutes), and the results - with raw but anonymized data - will be public, and available to the whole Open Source community. The larger the participation, the more statistically relevant data, and the better we can interpret the results across OSS as a whole. I have included the email I would want to send out below, for your consideration. Sincerely, Marius Storm-Olsen -- Hi, I would like to request your participation in a survey on Open Source Organizational Culture, which will provide valuable insight into how Open Source projects are run, how their participants act, how they might change going forward, and how particular Open Source projects compare with one another and with traditional business cultures. The survey will take 10-15 minutes to complete. http://bit.ly/OSOCAS2014 Why? The survey will be used as part of my thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture at BI Norwegian Business School (www.bi.no/en, or www.bi.edu), but in true Open Source spirit the raw - but anonymized - results will be open for all. So, your Open Source project will be able to massage and dissect the results any way you wish, and see how you compare with other projects out there. Up until now, most research in Open Source culture has been based on mining mailing lists to find out how people act, who they interact with, and how projects organize themselves. In this research we would rather ask the participants directly about how a project is managed and what should change for the project to be spectacularly successful. When? - The survey is open now through May 1st. Where? -- The bit.ly address brings you to the following survey https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1587798/osocas-2014 Remember that you can save your progress at any time and come back to the survey at a later point when you have time to finish it. Who are you? My name is Marius Storm-Olsen, and I am currently working on a thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture. I've been an active part of Open Source for years, most notably on the Qt and Git projects. Although I have my own experiences to draw on in the thesis, they do not qualify for the Open Source community at large, hence the survey. How to help? If you want to help, feel free to forward this email to any Open Source project you would want to participate the survey. Once you have send the invitation, please either send me an email with the name of the project, or update the table shown on https://github.com/mstormo/OSOCAS/wiki I do hope you can participate, and thank you for your consideration! Best regards, Marius Storm-Olsen
Re: Open Source Organizational Culture
I appreciate that, and fully understand the demand on all the contributors, as I track Git and Qt development myself. Hopefully the openness and access to the raw results across many different OSS projects will entice a few to do the survey. Thanks Rich, appreciate your time! -- .marius On 4/22/2014 10:36 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: I would recommend sending the email to committers@a.o, but be aware that Apache participants, due to our visible spot in the open source ecosystem, get a *lot* of surveys and tend to ignore most of them. -- Rich Bowen, mobile edition rbo...@rcbowen.com mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com On Apr 22, 2014 10:02 AM, Storm-Olsen, Marius marius.storm-ol...@student.bi.no mailto:marius.storm-ol...@student.bi.no wrote: Hi, As part of the research into a thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture, I want to send out a short survey to the Apache organization. However, given that the Apache community is so large, with numerous individual projects under its umbrella, I wanted to check with the community list first; both to seek explicit permission for doing so, and to figure out what would be the best way to send out such a survey without spamming the community. The survey is short (10-15 minutes), and the results - with raw but anonymized data - will be public, and available to the whole Open Source community. The larger the participation, the more statistically relevant data, and the better we can interpret the results across OSS as a whole. I have included the email I would want to send out below, for your consideration. Sincerely, Marius Storm-Olsen -- Hi, I would like to request your participation in a survey on Open Source Organizational Culture, which will provide valuable insight into how Open Source projects are run, how their participants act, how they might change going forward, and how particular Open Source projects compare with one another and with traditional business cultures. The survey will take 10-15 minutes to complete. http://bit.ly/OSOCAS2014 Why? The survey will be used as part of my thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture at BI Norwegian Business School (www.bi.no/en http://www.bi.no/en, or www.bi.edu http://www.bi.edu), but in true Open Source spirit the raw - but anonymized - results will be open for all. So, your Open Source project will be able to massage and dissect the results any way you wish, and see how you compare with other projects out there. Up until now, most research in Open Source culture has been based on mining mailing lists to find out how people act, who they interact with, and how projects organize themselves. In this research we would rather ask the participants directly about how a project is managed and what should change for the project to be spectacularly successful. When? - The survey is open now through May 1st. Where? -- The bit.ly http://bit.ly address brings you to the following survey https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1587798/osocas-2014 Remember that you can save your progress at any time and come back to the survey at a later point when you have time to finish it. Who are you? My name is Marius Storm-Olsen, and I am currently working on a thesis on Open Source Organizational Culture. I've been an active part of Open Source for years, most notably on the Qt and Git projects. Although I have my own experiences to draw on in the thesis, they do not qualify for the Open Source community at large, hence the survey. How to help? If you want to help, feel free to forward this email to any Open Source project you would want to participate the survey. Once you have send the invitation, please either send me an email with the name of the project, or update the table shown on https://github.com/mstormo/OSOCAS/wiki I do hope you can participate, and thank you for your consideration! Best regards, Marius Storm-Olsen
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:01:38 -0500 Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html Most of this was answered, but I have passed on two reports of frustrated committers to Garrett, who has coordinated the grants (he processes those forms, and they go to a number of different centers for processing depending on the geographic region a given committer lives in). I'm waiting to hear back confirmation that all is well, and will keep the list in the loop once I hear back. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
Seems I am the unlucky one, still not got any response at all. Just tried to sent the online form for the 3 time. It comes back and tells me request was added in a google docs spreadsheet and then NIL. hope for more luck this time. rgds jan I. On 23 February 2014 19:15, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.comwrote: Le 23/02/2014 18:46, jan i a écrit : On 6 February 2014 18:10, Scott Ganyo scottga...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ryan, Yes, I believe they are still being offered. I went through the same process just a couple months ago. I don't remember exactly how long it was to hear back, but I'm pretty sure it was more than a day or two. Best, Scott On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org Hi. Did you all get the msdn subscription processed or is it still hanging ? It seems I have landed in the same queue, at least I have had no response. It would have been nice, if one at least knew the request was received correctly, but the url does not give much proof of receipt. rgds jan I Hi, Like last year, I got mine after 2 or 3 weeks having filled the ASF online form Jacques
Re: duplicate class names in ASF Java projects
In the case of logging-log4j2 the package and class names are duplicated with log4j to provide a bridge so that code does not need to be rewritten to upgrade. However, if you look at the line counts you will see that they are not the same as the classes are very different. Ralph On Mar 20, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Pawel Slusarz p...@sw7d.com wrote: Greetings, When looking at the Apache SF Java projects as a group, I noticed that a large number of projects have duplicate class names, ie both openejb and tomee have a class named jug.client.command.api.AbstractCommand When edge cases, ie test.Foo and tomcat55, tomcat60, tomcat70 get eliminated, it still appears that the practice of code sharing by drag-drop-modify is quite prevalent. Over 14,000 (out of 165,000) classes were shared that way in the ecosystem, and 103 projects (out of 300) are affected. Sometimes a measurement and visualization is all it takes to realize a problem and begin fixing it. Below is raw data that can help understand better what and how is happening: http://pslusarz.github.io/archeology3d/research/apache/conflicting-classes/index.html Hope this is the right place to engage in this sort of conversation. Paul Slusarz PS: Who am I and what's my agenda? I am interested in looking at large codebases in search of patterns. I picked Apache SF, because, unlike my company code, the data can be independently verified. The issue with conflicting class names became apparent as I was trying to identify and understand classes that are shared in this ecosystem. Some more background on this approach can be found on my blog: http://10kftcode.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: duplicate class names in ASF Java projects
You may want to filter out small files, or common file name conventions: e.g. https://github.com/apache/accumulo/blob/trunk/maven-plugin/src/it/plugin-test/postbuild.groovy and https://github.com/apache/maven-plugins/blob/trunk/maven-invoker-plugin/src/it/script-additional-vars/src/it/groovy/postbuild.groovy are not the same, but probably were both built from the same example template. -- Christopher L Tubbs II http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Pawel Slusarz p...@sw7d.com wrote: Greetings, When looking at the Apache SF Java projects as a group, I noticed that a large number of projects have duplicate class names, ie both openejb and tomee have a class named jug.client.command.api.AbstractCommand When edge cases, ie test.Foo and tomcat55, tomcat60, tomcat70 get eliminated, it still appears that the practice of code sharing by drag-drop-modify is quite prevalent. Over 14,000 (out of 165,000) classes were shared that way in the ecosystem, and 103 projects (out of 300) are affected. Sometimes a measurement and visualization is all it takes to realize a problem and begin fixing it. Below is raw data that can help understand better what and how is happening: http://pslusarz.github.io/archeology3d/research/apache/conflicting-classes/index.html Hope this is the right place to engage in this sort of conversation. Paul Slusarz PS: Who am I and what's my agenda? I am interested in looking at large codebases in search of patterns. I picked Apache SF, because, unlike my company code, the data can be independently verified. The issue with conflicting class names became apparent as I was trying to identify and understand classes that are shared in this ecosystem. Some more background on this approach can be found on my blog: http://10kftcode.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: duplicate class names in ASF Java projects
On 3/21/14, 8:58 AM, sebb wrote: Note that sanselan was renamed as commons imaging. However the package names were also changed so I'm not sure why they are shown as duplicates. sanselan: org.apache.sanselan imaging: org.apache.commons.imaging Perhaps the information has been derived from SVN rather than the published releases. In which case I suspect there are a lot of false positives. Not all SVN (or Git) source code is part of a release, and source code may go through various name changes. It looks like the rename was committed to sanselan in the source code repo before the project was decomissioned. Glad the rename didn't make it to a release jar. Thanks for the explanation. Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: duplicate class names in ASF Java projects
Ralph, Thanks for the explanation. Is there a strategy for projects that have both brought in transitively? Hunting down class name conflicts in a multi-layered dependency tree was one of the reasons that I got interested in the subject, and I haven't found a satisfying solution to it yet. Paul On 3/21/14, 10:24 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: In the case of logging-log4j2 the package and class names are duplicated with log4j to provide a bridge so that code does not need to be rewritten to upgrade. However, if you look at the line counts you will see that they are not the same as the classes are very different. Ralph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
duplicate class names in ASF Java projects
Greetings, When looking at the Apache SF Java projects as a group, I noticed that a large number of projects have duplicate class names, ie both openejb and tomee have a class named jug.client.command.api.AbstractCommand When edge cases, ie test.Foo and tomcat55, tomcat60, tomcat70 get eliminated, it still appears that the practice of code sharing by drag-drop-modify is quite prevalent. Over 14,000 (out of 165,000) classes were shared that way in the ecosystem, and 103 projects (out of 300) are affected. Sometimes a measurement and visualization is all it takes to realize a problem and begin fixing it. Below is raw data that can help understand better what and how is happening: http://pslusarz.github.io/archeology3d/research/apache/conflicting-classes/index.html Hope this is the right place to engage in this sort of conversation. Paul Slusarz PS: Who am I and what's my agenda? I am interested in looking at large codebases in search of patterns. I picked Apache SF, because, unlike my company code, the data can be independently verified. The issue with conflicting class names became apparent as I was trying to identify and understand classes that are shared in this ecosystem. Some more background on this approach can be found on my blog: http://10kftcode.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
Le 23/02/2014 18:46, jan i a écrit : On 6 February 2014 18:10, Scott Ganyo scottga...@apache.org mailto:scottga...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ryan, Yes, I believe they are still being offered. I went through the same process just a couple months ago. I don't remember exactly how long it was to hear back, but I'm pretty sure it was more than a day or two. Best, Scott On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org mailto:community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org mailto:community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org mailto:community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org mailto:community-h...@apache.org Hi. Did you all get the msdn subscription processed or is it still hanging ? It seems I have landed in the same queue, at least I have had no response. It would have been nice, if one at least knew the request was received correctly, but the url does not give much proof of receipt. rgds jan I Hi, Like last year, I got mine after 2 or 3 weeks having filled the ASF online form Jacques
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
On 6 February 2014 18:10, Scott Ganyo scottga...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ryan, Yes, I believe they are still being offered. I went through the same process just a couple months ago. I don't remember exactly how long it was to hear back, but I'm pretty sure it was more than a day or two. Best, Scott On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org Hi. Did you all get the msdn subscription processed or is it still hanging ? It seems I have landed in the same queue, at least I have had no response. It would have been nice, if one at least knew the request was received correctly, but the url does not give much proof of receipt. rgds jan I
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
Yes mine was approved. I had to wait a week plus before it was approved. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 6 February 2014 18:10, Scott Ganyo scottga...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ryan, Yes, I believe they are still being offered. I went through the same process just a couple months ago. I don't remember exactly how long it was to hear back, but I'm pretty sure it was more than a day or two. Best, Scott On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org Hi. Did you all get the msdn subscription processed or is it still hanging ? It seems I have landed in the same queue, at least I have had no response. It would have been nice, if one at least knew the request was received correctly, but the url does not give much proof of receipt. rgds jan I - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
Thanks Ross and Dan. I will wait a little longer :) On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: It is still available but the process is driven by a human being and varies. I've had it take less than a day and more than a week. Give it a while longer and resubmit if necessary. If you still don't get any joy please feel free to mail me at my day job address (ross.gardler at microsoft.com) and I'll see if I can figure out if there is a problem. Ross Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Senior Technology Evangelist Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation On 6 February 2014 09:01, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
Hi Ryan, Yes, I believe they are still being offered. I went through the same process just a couple months ago. I don’t remember exactly how long it was to hear back, but I’m pretty sure it was more than a day or two. Best, Scott On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
MSDN Subscription For Committers
Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
I believe it is... I renewed mine in Oct just gone. It seemed to come through pretty quickly for me, but I do also recall reading something about it potentially taking a week or more. HTH Dan On 6 February 2014 17:01, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MSDN Subscription For Committers
It is still available but the process is driven by a human being and varies. I've had it take less than a day and more than a week. Give it a while longer and resubmit if necessary. If you still don't get any joy please feel free to mail me at my day job address (ross.gardler at microsoft.com) and I'll see if I can figure out if there is a problem. Ross Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Senior Technology Evangelist Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation On 6 February 2014 09:01, Ryan Baxter rbaxte...@apache.org wrote: Hi, A while ago all committers were offered MSDN subscriptions from Microsoft. Mine has expired, so I went back and filled out the form[1] to apply for a subscription earlier this week. I have yet to hear anything back. Are the MSDN subscriptions still be offered? How long does it take to process? -Ryan [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Trouble with Apache-POI
Hello, I'm using the Apache-poi library (3.10-beta2) for editing excel-documents. It is working fine with most of my excel-files. However I get an exception org.apache.poi.hssf.record.RecordFormatException: Unexpected remaining size (20) which is causing org.apache.poi.hssf.record.RecordFormatException: Unable to construct record instance when I try to load a specific excel-file with following code: HSSFWorkbook workbook = new HSSFWorkbook(new FileInputStream(new File(#path#))); The document, which causes the error contains some pivot-elements. The source oft he exception itself is ExtendedPivotTableViewFieldsRecord.java:68. I really don't have an idea, why I get this exception. I would be glad if someone could try to explain the cause of my problem. Tell me, if you need the excel-file itself.
Re: Trouble with Apache-POI
Hi Tobias, You may want to take this question to the Apache POI dev list. I'm CC'ing them here. This is the Apache community list and not really specific to any one project or to any one developer community. dev@apache project.apache.org is usually a good first bet. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: Haeussermann, Tobias (LBV) tobias.haeusserm...@lbv.bwl.de Reply-To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:56 AM To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Subject: Trouble with Apache-POI Hello, I’m using the Apache-poi library (3.10-beta2) for editing excel-documents. It is working fine with most of my excel-files. However I get an exception „org.apache.poi.hssf.record.RecordFormatException: Unexpected remaining size (20)“ which is causing „org.apache.poi.hssf.record.RecordFormatException: Unable to construct record instance“ when I try to load a specific excel-file with following code: HSSFWorkbook workbook = new HSSFWorkbook(new FileInputStream(new File(#path#))); The document, which causes the error contains some pivot-elements. The source oft he exception itself is „ExtendedPivotTableViewFieldsRecord.java:68“. I really don’t have an idea, why I get this exception. I would be glad if someone could try to explain the cause of my problem. Tell me, if you need the excel-file itself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Trouble with Apache-POI
Please write to the POI users list, info on which you can find here: http://poi.apache.org/mailinglists.html Most likely they'll want the excel file, as well as the full stack trace. --Thilo On 01/09/2014 12:56 AM, Haeussermann, Tobias (LBV) wrote: Hello, I’m using the Apache-poi library (3.10-beta2) for editing excel-documents. It is working fine with most of my excel-files. However I get an exception „org.apache.poi.hssf.record.RecordFormatException: Unexpected remaining size (20)“ which is causing „org.apache.poi.hssf.record.RecordFormatException: Unable to construct record instance“ when I try to load a specific excel-file with following code: HSSFWorkbook workbook = new HSSFWorkbook(new FileInputStream(new File(#path#))); The document, which causes the error contains some pivot-elements. The source oft he exception itself is „ExtendedPivotTableViewFieldsRecord.java:68“. I really don’t have an idea, why I get this exception. I would be glad if someone could try to explain the cause of my problem. Tell me, if you need the excel-file itself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: 72 hours rule.
The foundation glossary is here http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html On 15 December 2013 20:29, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: Like most things around here, it's best to ask in the specific community where you find the confusion. In the case of Labs, it's a known issue[1]. If you want to help us (labs) improve the situation, that'd be great. There's history in our mail archives. Thanks, --tim [1] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LABS-512 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:21 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I am not sure if this is the right place for such a question/suggestion, but better here than nowhere :-) I have lately been meet with confusion in 2 situations, both at ASF community level (at least if you look from a distance). Lazy consensus defines silence is consensus, but projects (like e.g. labs) tends to redefine this rule: Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours) In my mind this sentence is hard to understand, does it mean: a) PMC who dont send an explicit +1/-1 cast a +1 == silence is concensus or b) 3 +1 pmc votes is needed, so the rules of lazy consensus does not apply The people who wrote the lines I quote are all much more experienced in the apache way than I am, but I believe its important that newcomers (like myself) can read and understand what is written, without having to read between the lines. I suggest, that we make an effort to at least at ASF community level, not to confuse, but to be precise. I believe it would be correct to append [1] with: Lazy consensus cannot be used, if the project requires a minimum number of +1 for the proposal to be accepted @labs, please dont feel targeted, I am not picking on your project (which I happen to believe is VERY important, and much too unknown), but allowing myself to use your good website as documentation for my point. rgds jan I. [1] http://community.apache.org/committers/lazyConsensus.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
[ANNOUNCE] Dublin NoSQL Meetup – Apache Gora and the Oracle NoSQL database
Hi Folks, A quick post here to promote an event Apostolos Giannakidis (Apache Gora's GSoC student this year) and myself with be speaking at in Dublin this coming Monday. Event info and registration can be found below http://tcubedublin.com/events/dublin-nosql-meetup-apache-gora-and-the-oracle-nosql-database-customize/ Thanks and if you are able to attend... see you there folks. Best Lewis -- *Lewis*
هدایت: community Digest 11 Dec 2013 17:21:53 -0000 Issue 661
Samsung Mobile:mini.android gt-s5360 Original message Subject: community Digest 11 Dec 2013 17:21:53 - Issue 661 From: community-digest-h...@apache.org To: community@apache.org CC: community Digest 11 Dec 2013 17:21:53 - Issue 661 Topics (messages 5134 through 5134) [ANNOUNCE] Dublin NoSQL Meetup � Apache Gora and the Oracle NoSQL database 5134 by: Lewis John Mcgibbney Administrivia: - To post to the list, e-mail: community@apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-digest-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-digest-h...@apache.org --
LGPL Apache License 2
Hi guys :-) Is it possible to use a LGPL licensed project inside of an ASL2 project? I mean just use an already compiled JAR file not include it into the source itself. I guess some of you already asked the same question. Thanks in advance Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: LGPL Apache License 2
No, LGPL may not be used [1] I hear conflicting things about whether (in Maven) the optionaltrue/optional or scopeprovided/scope tags are valid workarounds for this; legal-discuss@a.o is the place to check, I believe. Dan [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-x On 1 July 2013 11:35, Christoph Engelbert noctar...@apache.org wrote: Hi guys :-) Is it possible to use a LGPL licensed project inside of an ASL2 project? I mean just use an already compiled JAR file not include it into the source itself. I guess some of you already asked the same question. Thanks in advance Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: LGPL Apache License 2
Hi Dan That was what I've suspected. Since it is needed I'll stick to the Apache Commons FeedParser implementation :-) Thanks a lot Chris Am 01.07.2013 12:43, schrieb Dan Haywood: No, LGPL may not be used [1] I hear conflicting things about whether (in Maven) the optionaltrue/optional or scopeprovided/scope tags are valid workarounds for this; legal-discuss@a.o is the place to check, I believe. Dan [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-x On 1 July 2013 11:35, Christoph Engelbert noctar...@apache.org mailto:noctar...@apache.org wrote: Hi guys :-) Is it possible to use a LGPL licensed project inside of an ASL2 project? I mean just use an already compiled JAR file not include it into the source itself. I guess some of you already asked the same question. Thanks in advance Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org mailto:community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org mailto:community-h...@apache.org
Lifting a ban on an IP?
Hi, there. I am a grad student working on some research project that needs to retrieve information from svn server at svn.apache.org. Unfortunately, due to an unoptimized algorithm, the testing program made too many requests to the server and it seems the corresponding IP is banned. Now I cannot access Apache's SVN server on a particular IP. I apologize for any inconvenience incurred. Would you mind letting me know to whom I need to contact to lift this ban? I promise that unusual requests of the revision history won't be sent again. Many thanks.
RE: Lifting a ban on an IP?
Please email root.at.apache.org Gav. From: Dongcai Shen [mailto:dos...@eng.ucsd.edu] Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 8:54 AM To: community@apache.org Subject: Lifting a ban on an IP? Hi, there. I am a grad student working on some research project that needs to retrieve information from svn server at svn.apache.org http://svn.apache.org . Unfortunately, due to an unoptimized algorithm, the testing program made too many requests to the server and it seems the corresponding IP is banned. Now I cannot access Apache's SVN server on a particular IP. I apologize for any inconvenience incurred. Would you mind letting me know to whom I need to contact to lift this ban? I promise that unusual requests of the revision history won't be sent again. Many thanks.
Re: Second request for a backup mentor for a GSoC project
You might have better chances of success if you looked for backup mentors within the Tajo community. Uli On 20.05.2013 21:44, Jihoon Son wrote: Hi all, I've sent a request for a backup mentor of this project [0], but I'm still finding. This project proposes an improvement of a row-based binary file type to support compression. Though the proposal looks simple and English is very poor, all requirements are included. I believe that the applicant has the sufficient ability to succeed this project. Since I can communicate with him face to face, I'll guide his work to succeed. If anyone are interested, please get in touch as soon as you possible. Thanks, Jihoon [0] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/wooilkim/1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Second request for a backup mentor for a GSoC project
Hi, I am interesting in this project can you. I am not able to see the details by the given link. Can you send me the details for further. Thanks regards. KEHAR SINGH On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Ulrich Stärk u...@apache.org wrote: You might have better chances of success if you looked for backup mentors within the Tajo community. Uli On 20.05.2013 21:44, Jihoon Son wrote: Hi all, I've sent a request for a backup mentor of this project [0], but I'm still finding. This project proposes an improvement of a row-based binary file type to support compression. Though the proposal looks simple and English is very poor, all requirements are included. I believe that the applicant has the sufficient ability to succeed this project. Since I can communicate with him face to face, I'll guide his work to succeed. If anyone are interested, please get in touch as soon as you possible. Thanks, Jihoon [0] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/wooilkim/1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Second request for a backup mentor for a GSoC project
Hi all, I've sent a request for a backup mentor of this project [0], but I'm still finding. This project proposes an improvement of a row-based binary file type to support compression. Though the proposal looks simple and English is very poor, all requirements are included. I believe that the applicant has the sufficient ability to succeed this project. Since I can communicate with him face to face, I'll guide his work to succeed. If anyone are interested, please get in touch as soon as you possible. Thanks, Jihoon [0] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/wooilkim/1
Re: Request for backup mentor(s) for two projects
Hi John, On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:44 PM, community-digest-h...@apache.org wrote: community Digest 21 May 2013 04:44:51 - Issue 657 Re: Request for backup mentor(s) for two projects 5124 by: John Vines I'm slightly familiar with Gora, but not so much with Cascading and the specifics of Oracle NoSql (but knowledgeable about NoSql as an Accumulo dev). If you have issues finding a mentor for either I will step in, but I don't know how much I could help relative to someone with more experience. This is actually really great news. Thank you for dropping in on the convo. For the time being we seem *OK*, however depending on how things go this may not be the case. Time will tell. In the meantime it is great to know that there are others here who are into the NoSQL space (esp Accumulo). Maybe you should check out Keith Turner's gora-accumulo module if you get some time. AFAICT it rocks. Best for now Lewis
Request for backup mentor(s) for two projects
Hi All, We need two backup mentors for this years GSoC projects over at Apache Gora. One project concerns implementing Cascading within Apache Gora [0] The other proposes an Oracle NoSQL datastore implementation for Apache Gora [1] I've asked over on Gora and Nutch lists and so far I am still looking for backup mentors for both projects. If you are interested, and able to provide your assistance as backup (if so required) then please get in touch as soon as you can. It would be a real shame to see these proposals rejected based on the absence of backup mentor(s). Thank you kindly in advance. Lewis [0] *http://s.apache.org/cyA [1] **http://s.apache.org/cfw* -- *Lewis*
