Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
Didn't you know, Oprah has long been a member of the NSA. Most of her shows were a guise for tracking persons. You get a free car! And you get a free car! Who doesn't think these cars weren't equipped with state of the art GPS as well as having every serial number under the sun that was included with these mobil tracking devices cataloged and constantly upgraded and tracked? There is a rumor that Oprah is pure evil, and that quite a few of the guests of her talk show have gone missing. Also rumors abound about an underground studio somewhere in the deserts of New Mexico. Prisons and underground testing all in one with the cover of a popular talk show host. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 5, 2009, at 8:54 AM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 11:36 AM, mike wrote: Where are you now that the big O is expanding it? What did Oprah do? I don't believe it. References please? And no links to Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush. Fox, Moonies, or the WSJ please. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
The other day, on CNN, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said this about the expectation of privacy for users of Google: If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I guess that clears things up! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
Oh give me a break. You find this credible? Check into the group first. I could more then likely post Rush junk more worthy of looking at then this. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:07 AM, mike wrote: Don't believe what? http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush It's not about 'believing' it's about not being close minded. Bush and Obama are more alike than anyone on either side care to admit. All O has done is remove the brake pedal completely. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 11:36 AM, mike wrote: Where are you now that the big O is expanding it? What did Oprah do? I don't believe it. References please? And no links to Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush. Fox, Moonies, or the WSJ please. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] moto android again
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNisSeihPE Another moto android commercial, less Michael Bay'ish for those who didn't like the droid invasion. Well, that is a British ad meant for Old Europeans. Those crazy, cowardly Europeans are not the warmongers that we are in the USA. They do not have leaders who get the Nobel Peace Prize and then immediately feel the need to escalate invasions. They are inspired by things that speak directly and pertinently to the questions at hand as opposed to reacting solely to jingoistic imagery that bears little upon the actual aspects of the real focus of the product being advertised. They see little need for visions of threatening aircraft, bombs and big explosions in order to sell phones. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
So Much BS! I predicated my statement with the difference between a hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood. Interestingly, when I have a friend of mine over who is a professional carpenter, he doesn't make fun of me because of the saw I use. He knows I don't do it for a living, I don't need the level of tool he does for his job. Would that computer users would behave the same way. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Snyder, Mark wrote: The difference between a hack and a pro are skill-level and the quality of their tools. I am picky about choosing tools. I spend whatever time is necessary to learn what is good and what is not before I make my choice. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got some right there, the computer is just a tool. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
The other day, on CNN, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said this about the expectation of privacy for users of Google: If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I guess that clears things up! Steve As the result of which, Mozilla said, Everybody switch to Bing. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142106/Mozilla_exec_suggests_Firefox_users_move_to_Bing_cites_Google_privacy_stance http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/12/if_you_have_nothing.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:43 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The other day, on CNN... Correcting myself here. It was not CNN, but rather CNBC. However, I am sure that by this time, the story has also been covered by CNN. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Oh give me a break. You find this credible? Check into the group first. I could more then likely post Rush junk more worthy of looking at then this. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:07 AM, mike wrote: Don't believe what? http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush It's not about 'believing' it's about not being close minded. Bush and Obama are more alike than anyone on either side care to admit. All O has done is remove the brake pedal completely. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 11:36 AM, mike wrote: Where are you now that the big O is expanding it? What did Oprah do? I don't believe it. References please? And no links to Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush. Fox, Moonies, or the WSJ please. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] moto android again
Have you thought maybe it's just you that gets 'warmonger' out of that? Maybe the euros just don't like Michael Bay movies? On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNisSeihPE Another moto android commercial, less Michael Bay'ish for those who didn't like the droid invasion. Well, that is a British ad meant for Old Europeans. Those crazy, cowardly Europeans are not the warmongers that we are in the USA. They do not have leaders who get the Nobel Peace Prize and then immediately feel the need to escalate invasions. They are inspired by things that speak directly and pertinently to the questions at hand as opposed to reacting solely to jingoistic imagery that bears little upon the actual aspects of the real focus of the product being advertised. They see little need for visions of threatening aircraft, bombs and big explosions in order to sell phones. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Not sure why you are going off when I agreed with you. Habit maybe? Which part is bs? I said 'Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood.' Was that the BS? On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: So Much BS! I predicated my statement with the difference between a hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood. Interestingly, when I have a friend of mine over who is a professional carpenter, he doesn't make fun of me because of the saw I use. He knows I don't do it for a living, I don't need the level of tool he does for his job. Would that computer users would behave the same way. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Snyder, Mark wrote: The difference between a hack and a pro are skill-level and the quality of their tools. I am picky about choosing tools. I spend whatever time is necessary to learn what is good and what is not before I make my choice. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got some right there, the computer is just a tool. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. The problem is Obama got stuck with a bunch of bad Bush policy and has to figure out how to unravel the mess without leaving things for the worst. I don't think there was much of a choice in Afaganistan we broke it, we ignored it, we should put it on the path to correcting it. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Not going off Mike, just not quite parsing your defense of crummy tools. So if I want to build a birdhouse, hang a picture or build something in the backyard I need crappy tools? If I already use professional tools, these projects are beneath those tools? Do you apply this to computers? If so, how do you do that? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Not sure why you are going off when I agreed with you. Habit maybe? Which part is bs? I said 'Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood.' Was that the BS? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:43 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The other day, on CNN, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said this about the expectation of privacy for users of Google: If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I guess that clears things up! It certainly does. Very consistent with a company motto of Don't do evil. Definitely incomprehensible to that portion of the population that is morally handicapped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
You make a bad assumption cost = quality You are saying that the Rolls Royce is indeed a better car for everyone because it costs more money therefore it is of the highest quality and everyone should save up and wait till they can afford a Rolls Royce then they can buy a car? I don't buy MAC tools or Snap ON or similar type of tools as I am not a mechanic. But that does not mean I do not have quality tools that work for me and get the job done very well thank you. I will admit I do not buy my tools at the Dollar store, but occasionally I have found a good little tool that works for specialty jobs in one of those bins. But I do not make a habit of buying my wrenches or power tools at Dollar General. Your logic is flawed. Stewart At 09:33 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Not going off Mike, just not quite parsing your defense of crummy tools. So if I want to build a birdhouse, hang a picture or build something in the backyard I need crappy tools? If I already use professional tools, these projects are beneath those tools? Do you apply this to computers? If so, how do you do that? Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
The problem is you seem to equate inexpensive with crap. I don't. I don't buy 'crappy' tools, I buy the tools that will do the job, whatever job, well. I don't need a 400 dollar hammer because I don't use a hammer to make my living. If I already have that hammer, of course I'd use it, but I don't so I buy one that works for what I need it to work for. How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Not going off Mike, just not quite parsing your defense of crummy tools. So if I want to build a birdhouse, hang a picture or build something in the backyard I need crappy tools? If I already use professional tools, these projects are beneath those tools? Do you apply this to computers? If so, how do you do that? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Not sure why you are going off when I agreed with you. Habit maybe? Which part is bs? I said 'Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood.' Was that the BS? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] moto android again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqu835nA3t0NR=1 Looks promising. I had my first close look at a Blackberry yesterday. Damn it's awful. You have to be highly motivated to put up with its cramped and cluttered interface and endless menus. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS Afghan regional politics
Although I completely agree with the initial analysis, and would like that the latter part could be true, that deduction is totally divorced from any possible reality in my opinion. What is it we are trying to ... hoping to correct? How does one correct Afghanistan? What does correcting Afghanistan mean?... and how do we know when we have done it? Do you mean make it like the US? One of the most socially, economically and governmentally backward nations on the planet? Force it thru the changes in years or decades that our western cultures took 800 years to accomplish? How does one do that? Anybody got a machine or mechanism that does that? It's a loose federation of feudal tribes in one of the bleakest and least nurturing landscapes in the world. And it begs the elephant in the room question ... that few in America seem to see why would we want to do it and how did we get in this position? Why have the Russians and Americans been fighting in such a bleak and unlucky place in actuality or in proxy for decades now? Why did Osama get so riled up that they attacked the WTC? Why would they pick the World Trade Center? World Trade Center ? Could it just possibly have anything to do that the area to the east has the richest remaining oil and gas deposits on the planet and Afghanistan offers the only possible pipeline route to the west from that region that is not already controlled by the Russians or the Iranians? You think it is a coincidence that Turkmenistan immediately to the north has arguably the largest natural gas reserves on the planet... worth more than all the oil in Iraq? (See: http://members.localnet.com/~jeflan/jfafghanpipe.htm ) It's a no brainer that if the citizens of the area wanted us there ... or the Russians before us... they wouldn't be attacking us and fighting us. What is it that Osama and Al Quaeda has been stating as there reasons for opposing us / attacking us? Isn't it? ...go home ... get your troops out of our lands... ? How we going to correct that ... kill them all? Make a jail out of citizens of the whole region? How would we feel if foreign troops were in our country to ensure foreign control over resources and opportunity that belong to us? We are spending 50 billion a year in Afghanistan fighting along with the lives of countless Americans and inhabitants. For what? So we can have an economic advantageous access to the oil and gas? Couldn't we much more cheaply just buy the gas and oil than spend 50 billion a year in an manipulative and force full effort that is very likely not even going to work? Seems like a no brainer no? Why aren't we doing the no brainer thing of just buying the oil and gas instead of spending 50 billion and many lives to militarily/politically control the region? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the potential resource advantage / the economic profit would go to the oil, gas and production corporations and their spreadsheet bottom line while the expense in $ and lives is born by the US taxpayer. Is it possible that inexplicable cost and profit imbalance is why the oil and gas lobby spends so much on US congressional and presidential elections? How DID we get into all of this and why are we still in it? How does one really fix / correct all this? Questions, Questions ... db is the latter part is the John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. The problem is Obama got stuck with a bunch of bad Bush policy and has to figure out how to unravel the mess without leaving things for the worst. I don't think there was much of a choice in Afaganistan we broke it, we ignored it, we should put it on the path to correcting it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:38 AM, mike wrote: Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. HEY! Change the subject line and add an OT tag please! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
Same logic as 'just let us search you without a warrant because you claim to have nothing to hide.' On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:43 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The other day, on CNN, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said this about the expectation of privacy for users of Google: If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I guess that clears things up! It certainly does. Very consistent with a company motto of Don't do evil. Definitely incomprehensible to that portion of the population that is morally handicapped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I went into Harbor Freight about a year ago to just look around, I had no plans on buying anything. I found a 10 piece set of pliers for 8 dollars. All of them still work great, two of them sit in a junk drawer for small household needs, they do exactly what a 20 dollar or 25 dollar pair would do except I paid less than a dollar for it. I have a cheap set of sockets I keep inside also..I keep the more expensive craftsman in my truck. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: You make a bad assumption cost = quality You are saying that the Rolls Royce is indeed a better car for everyone because it costs more money therefore it is of the highest quality and everyone should save up and wait till they can afford a Rolls Royce then they can buy a car? I don't buy MAC tools or Snap ON or similar type of tools as I am not a mechanic. But that does not mean I do not have quality tools that work for me and get the job done very well thank you. I will admit I do not buy my tools at the Dollar store, but occasionally I have found a good little tool that works for specialty jobs in one of those bins. But I do not make a habit of buying my wrenches or power tools at Dollar General. Your logic is flawed. Stewart At 09:33 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Not going off Mike, just not quite parsing your defense of crummy tools. So if I want to build a birdhouse, hang a picture or build something in the backyard I need crappy tools? If I already use professional tools, these projects are beneath those tools? Do you apply this to computers? If so, how do you do that? Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:23 PM, mike wrote: Another ridiculous assertion made by someone who clearly has never had to meet a budget, you should do government work. Ben Franklin warned against being penny wise and pound foolish. Today we call it total cost of ownership. I find that with clients who use Windows a large part of the conversation is malware protection and restricting rights. This leaves little time for things like building productivity and creating new capabilities. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
Every new president inherits policies with which he disagrees, especially when it is a party change. W complained about inheriting a recession which started in the latter year of the Clinton admin. W also inherited a national security structure which was inadequate to prevent 9/1, but didn't whine about it. Obama has been gungho about the war in Afghanistan since 2003 or 4. Remember, it was the good war and Iraq the bad. (As an aside, it is humorous that he has embraced the Bush surge doctrine). At this late date in his 11 months in office, it is getting a bit tiresome to hear every Obama speech start with Bush bashing. He should man up and deal with the state of the world and country as it is now and how he will remedy it. Enough with the excuses and whining! John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. The problem is Obama got stuck with a bunch of bad Bush policy and has to figure out how to unravel the mess without leaving things for the worst. I don't think there was much of a choice in Afaganistan we broke it, we ignored it, we should put it on the path to correcting it. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 05:06:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Keep dancing, don't address the issue! On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:15 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:23 PM, mike wrote: Another ridiculous assertion made by someone who clearly has never had to meet a budget, you should do government work. Ben Franklin warned against being penny wise and pound foolish. Today we call it total cost of ownership. I find that with clients who use Windows a large part of the conversation is malware protection and restricting rights. This leaves little time for things like building productivity and creating new capabilities. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:06 AM, mike wrote: Same logic as 'just let us search you without a warrant because you claim to have nothing to hide.' I did say it would be definitely incomprehensible to some. QED * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS
Do it yourself since you changed it...please! On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:06 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:38 AM, mike wrote: Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. HEY! Change the subject line and add an OT tag please! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:04 AM, mike wrote: I went into Harbor Freight about a year ago to just look around, I had no plans on buying anything. I found a 10 piece set of pliers for 8 dollars. All of them still work great, two of them sit in a junk drawer for small household needs, they do exactly what a 20 dollar or 25 dollar pair would do except I paid less than a dollar for it. I have a cheap set of sockets I keep inside also..I keep the more expensive craftsman in my truck. A musician would call you tone deaf. Around here we just say WFB. While this is OT from the original post, the subject line is strangely appropriate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I wonder what they are doing that this becomes a huge concern? I surf and work on the net most of the day rarely do I ever have a worry about this. MY 19 year old son spends a lot of time on his computer surfing the net. I have to clean his machine up periodically but I know where he is going and I have told him to stay away from the sites as they are buggy and crappy. So again my question where are these folks surfing that they have to be so worried about this stuff? Many folks I know have had the crap scared out of them by a bunch of fear mongering. I belong to a Service club and we have a large number of senior members. (out of 22 members 6-7 do not have email.) They will not let us manage the club on line as they have had their pants scared off of them that their information will become vulnerable if we do so. (None of their private or personal information is ever up there so they have nothing to be sacred of.) Restricting rights? Most music stuff I do is from my own collection or Audible Books so again what is all the problem? I know that publishers are the ones pushing very hard on copyrights. We just put out a new hymnal two years ago, and 80% of the work that was done was on the legal side securing and getting copyright permission and how we can allow electronic access to it. So if you want to deal with restricting rights deal with the right culprit, Congress, not a Puter manufacturer or software manufacturer who is trying to fulfill and follow the law. Stewart At 10:15 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Ben Franklin warned against being penny wise and pound foolish. Today we call it total cost of ownership. I find that with clients who use Windows a large part of the conversation is malware protection and restricting rights. This leaves little time for things like building productivity and creating new capabilities. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I never mentioned cost; _you_ made that assumption, Rev! Your assumptions are flawed... Thank you, -Original Message- You make a bad assumption cost = quality You are saying that the Rolls Royce is indeed a better car for everyone because it costs more money therefore it is of the highest quality and everyone should save up and wait till they can afford a Rolls Royce then they can buy a car? I don't buy MAC tools or Snap ON or similar type of tools as I am not a mechanic. But that does not mean I do not have quality tools that work for me and get the job done very well thank you. I will admit I do not buy my tools at the Dollar store, but occasionally I have found a good little tool that works for specialty jobs in one of those bins. But I do not make a habit of buying my wrenches or power tools at Dollar General. Your logic is flawed. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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True but you made the comment about crappy tools equating any windows machine as a crappy tool, since they cost less than a Mac then cost must be a factor. Stewart At 10:41 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: I never mentioned cost; _you_ made that assumption, Rev! Your assumptions are flawed... Thank you, * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We who? The voices in your head? On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:30 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:04 AM, mike wrote: I went into Harbor Freight about a year ago to just look around, I had no plans on buying anything. I found a 10 piece set of pliers for 8 dollars. All of them still work great, two of them sit in a junk drawer for small household needs, they do exactly what a 20 dollar or 25 dollar pair would do except I paid less than a dollar for it. I have a cheap set of sockets I keep inside also..I keep the more expensive craftsman in my truck. A musician would call you tone deaf. Around here we just say WFB. While this is OT from the original post, the subject line is strangely appropriate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I never mentioned cost as a requirement for quality. That seems to be a WFB trap or argument trick. My mother is becoming very forgetful. A quality computer tool for her is something easy to use. But I am talking about people who do professional work and my long-retired mother does not qualify. I am an IT professional and my requirements are greater than hers. Thank you, -Original Message- The problem is you seem to equate inexpensive with crap. I don't. I don't buy 'crappy' tools, I buy the tools that will do the job, whatever job, well. I don't need a 400 dollar hammer because I don't use a hammer to make my living. If I already have that hammer, of course I'd use it, but I don't so I buy one that works for what I need it to work for. How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK lets use this line of argument. You will not accept anyone who uses a Windows machine because you consider them crappy tools. So the equal argument would be like this. I consider Chevy's to be crappy cars so therefore I will not hire anyone (If I were a mechanic) who drives a chevy as they rive a crappy car and a good mechanic would never drive a crappy car. By the way whatever you want to buy your mother is fine with me. Your choice we live in a free world. Stewart At 10:49 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: I never mentioned cost as a requirement for quality. That seems to be a WFB trap or argument trick. My mother is becoming very forgetful. A quality computer tool for her is something easy to use. But I am talking about people who do professional work and my long-retired mother does not qualify. I am an IT professional and my requirements are greater than hers. Thank you, * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If it was some sort of 'WFB' trick, then your trick being the MFB is to exchange inexpensive for crummy. I never mentioned crummy...I said inexpensive, you made the inexpensive = crummy analogy. *Not going off Mike, just not quite parsing your defense of crummy tools. So if I want to build a birdhouse, hang a picture or build something in the backyard I need crappy tools? If I already use professional tools, these projects are beneath those tools? Do you apply this to computers? If so, how do you do that? * I think this thread has run it's course, it's just going around in circles now. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: I never mentioned cost as a requirement for quality. That seems to be a WFB trap or argument trick. My mother is becoming very forgetful. A quality computer tool for her is something easy to use. But I am talking about people who do professional work and my long-retired mother does not qualify. I am an IT professional and my requirements are greater than hers. Thank you, -Original Message- The problem is you seem to equate inexpensive with crap. I don't. I don't buy 'crappy' tools, I buy the tools that will do the job, whatever job, well. I don't need a 400 dollar hammer because I don't use a hammer to make my living. If I already have that hammer, of course I'd use it, but I don't so I buy one that works for what I need it to work for. How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Rev, you keep attributing things not said in my posts like some demon. My posts discuss quality. Your posts are refutations of imagined costs or biases. My kindest description of that is slippery discourse. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- OK lets use this line of argument. You will not accept anyone who uses a Windows machine because you consider them crappy tools. So the equal argument would be like this. I consider Chevy's to be crappy cars so therefore I will not hire anyone (If I were a mechanic) who drives a chevy as they rive a crappy car and a good mechanic would never drive a crappy car. By the way whatever you want to buy your mother is fine with me. Your choice we live in a free world. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You make one side of the argument and Tom fills in the gap. I am discussing the whole thing because between you and Tom you are a tag team. Stewart At 11:21 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: Rev, you keep attributing things not said in my posts like some demon. My posts discuss quality. Your posts are refutations of imagined costs or biases. My kindest description of that is slippery discourse. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- OK lets use this line of argument. You will not accept anyone who uses a Windows machine because you consider them crappy tools. So the equal argument would be like this. I consider Chevy's to be crappy cars so therefore I will not hire anyone (If I were a mechanic) who drives a chevy as they rive a crappy car and a good mechanic would never drive a crappy car. By the way whatever you want to buy your mother is fine with me. Your choice we live in a free world. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You mean this comment? Stewart At 06:32 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: So Much BS! I predicated my statement with the difference between a hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That, Mike, must be a WFB misperception. I said crummy, crappy tools. *You* said M$. I said quality, professional tools. You cried expensive Apple. You seem to imply that Apple makes the only quality tools; I would refute that. Thank you, -Original Message- If it was some sort of 'WFB' trick, then your trick being the MFB is to exchange inexpensive for crummy. I never mentioned crummy...I said inexpensive, you made the inexpensive = crummy analogy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ugh, please live up to the honorific! Thou hast painteth me with colors most unbidden. The reverend is bereft of logic! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You make one side of the argument and Tom fills in the gap. I am discussing the whole thing because between you and Tom you are a tag team. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you read, I gave an apple as one of the inexpensive that would do the job. I think you are confusing what I said with what someone else said. Can you show where I did this? I can show you where I said purchasing a mac mini is an example of an inexpensive tool that works. * How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job.* The following is the last time I mentioned MS, you are either assuming or mistaking me for saying something I did not. *Part of the problem is how MS approaches touting the features. Part of it is haters who see 'windows 7 boots faster than vista' as not that 7 is faster but that vista is crap. Shockingly they don't look at Apple's advertising the same way, some will never satisfy, better to just ignore them, nod and smile when they start popping off. Computers aren't tools to use to get a job done to them, they are the alpha and omega, it is part of how they define themselves.* So near as I can tell I never equated your crummy with MS, and I never cried expensive with Apple. I also never said Apple makes the only quality tools. Once again, from the start, I've said the right tool for the right job, never pay 500 dollars for a job that should cost 5. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: That, Mike, must be a WFB misperception. I said crummy, crappy tools. *You* said M$. I said quality, professional tools. You cried expensive Apple. You seem to imply that Apple makes the only quality tools; I would refute that. Thank you, -Original Message- If it was some sort of 'WFB' trick, then your trick being the MFB is to exchange inexpensive for crummy. I never mentioned crummy...I said inexpensive, you made the inexpensive = crummy analogy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That is one of my posts, yes. I am not able to hallucinate the accused words. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You mean this comment? Stewart At 06:32 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: So Much BS! I predicated my statement with the difference between a hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Mike, maybe these are two diametrically opposed points of view. I look for a quality tool likely to produce a professional result, predictably and efficiently. My joy is the quality of the output and using efficient, well-built tools. You seem to look for the least-expensive tool that can do a reasonable job. Your joy might be in having a large stock of tools of various quality, all low in cost. Maybe these are irreconcilable. I might not be able to work well with you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- If you read, I gave an apple as one of the inexpensive that would do the job. I think you are confusing what I said with what someone else said. Can you show where I did this? I can show you where I said purchasing a mac mini is an example of an inexpensive tool that works. * How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job.* The following is the last time I mentioned MS, you are either assuming or mistaking me for saying something I did not. *Part of the problem is how MS approaches touting the features. Part of it is haters who see 'windows 7 boots faster than vista' as not that 7 is faster but that vista is crap. Shockingly they don't look at Apple's advertising the same way, some will never satisfy, better to just ignore them, nod and smile when they start popping off. Computers aren't tools to use to get a job done to them, they are the alpha and omega, it is part of how they define themselves.* So near as I can tell I never equated your crummy with MS, and I never cried expensive with Apple. I also never said Apple makes the only quality tools. Once again, from the start, I've said the right tool for the right job, never pay 500 dollars for a job that should cost 5. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are you saying there are no quality tools that are low cost? Perhaps you just aren't a good shopper. I never said a 'reasonable job', but I don't need a 25 dollar hammer to hang a picture as I said. By your logic, your 25 dollar hammer, would do better than a 5 dollar hammer at putting a nail in drywall to hang a photo. I don't need snap on tools to do brakes on my car, or change the oil, or replace a radiator. My joy as it were, does not come in a mass of low quality tools, but in being sharp enough not to spend $$$ when it only costs $. I look for the least expensive tool that can do the job RIGHT. Isn't that what you do? If you have two equal quality tools for a job, you don't buy the most expensive one do you? On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, maybe these are two diametrically opposed points of view. I look for a quality tool likely to produce a professional result, predictably and efficiently. My joy is the quality of the output and using efficient, well-built tools. You seem to look for the least-expensive tool that can do a reasonable job. Your joy might be in having a large stock of tools of various quality, all low in cost. Maybe these are irreconcilable. I might not be able to work well with you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- If you read, I gave an apple as one of the inexpensive that would do the job. I think you are confusing what I said with what someone else said. Can you show where I did this? I can show you where I said purchasing a mac mini is an example of an inexpensive tool that works. * How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job.* The following is the last time I mentioned MS, you are either assuming or mistaking me for saying something I did not. *Part of the problem is how MS approaches touting the features. Part of it is haters who see 'windows 7 boots faster than vista' as not that 7 is faster but that vista is crap. Shockingly they don't look at Apple's advertising the same way, some will never satisfy, better to just ignore them, nod and smile when they start popping off. Computers aren't tools to use to get a job done to them, they are the alpha and omega, it is part of how they define themselves.* So near as I can tell I never equated your crummy with MS, and I never cried expensive with Apple. I also never said Apple makes the only quality tools. Once again, from the start, I've said the right tool for the right job, never pay 500 dollars for a job that should cost 5. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Stewart Marshall wrote: I wonder what they are doing that this becomes a huge concern? PC client gets an email that says it is from Fed Ex. It says Monthly statement attached as PDF. Client does have a FedEx account. They open the PDF, but it appears to be damaged. They give up on it, but it is too late. Do the same thing on a computer that is not defective and there is no bad consequence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, Mike. I am saying your joy is finding, getting the low-cost tools. My joy is finding the quality tools. I look at cost if I find several quality tools. I refer to tools that are important to me, in professional pursuits where my reputation and my time are on the line or a serious hobby. I would much rather have a quality tool that can save me time while increasing my chances at a quality result than to get the big bargain tool that I grumble using while scrambling to get professional results. However, I do not drive super-quality or fancy cars. I found enough quality in a truck that now has over 200K miles. It has little to do with my job or any of my passions, but it has what I needed when I bought it. It may well be crap to someone who depends on a vehicle for professional reasons, though. For example, I can only picture a real estate agent getting value from it to repair property, not to show property. Please note that getting quality tools does not necessarily equate to high costs; nor do crappy tools always equate to low costs. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Are you saying there are no quality tools that are low cost? Perhaps you just aren't a good shopper. I never said a 'reasonable job', but I don't need a 25 dollar hammer to hang a picture as I said. By your logic, your 25 dollar hammer, would do better than a 5 dollar hammer at putting a nail in drywall to hang a photo. I don't need snap on tools to do brakes on my car, or change the oil, or replace a radiator. My joy as it were, does not come in a mass of low quality tools, but in being sharp enough not to spend $$$ when it only costs $. I look for the least expensive tool that can do the job RIGHT. Isn't that what you do? If you have two equal quality tools for a job, you don't buy the most expensive one do you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Defective of course is Tom's hate for MS showing through. Windows is as 'defective' as a mac, it's just that macs are safer by obscurity. That said, his point is correct. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Stewart Marshall wrote: I wonder what they are doing that this becomes a huge concern? PC client gets an email that says it is from Fed Ex. It says Monthly statement attached as PDF. Client does have a FedEx account. They open the PDF, but it appears to be damaged. They give up on it, but it is too late. Do the same thing on a computer that is not defective and there is no bad consequence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So we keep discussing this because you keep mischaracterizing what I say. I never 'my joy is in getting low cost tools', you did. You said it once, I corrected you...now you are saying it again as if it's fact. Just because you have said it, doesn't make it so. *My joy as it were, does not come in a mass of low quality tools, but in being sharp enough not to spend $$$ when it only costs $. I look for the least expensive tool that can do the job RIGHT. * *Once again, from the start, I've said the right tool for the right job, never pay 500 dollars for a job that should cost 5. * *I don't buy 'crappy' tools, I buy the tools that will do the job, whatever job, well* Three separate times I've stated the same thing. I give up, you are going to believe whatever you want. There is no sense in debating it if you are going to make up things I never said and treat them as fact. The weird thing is, we are saying the same thing, I have no clue why you keep fighting it. You said yourself you don't have super quality cars etc...why not?? That must mean they are low quality! Of course it doesn't. So what do you keep telling me it does? On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: No, Mike. I am saying your joy is finding, getting the low-cost tools. My joy is finding the quality tools. I look at cost if I find several quality tools. I refer to tools that are important to me, in professional pursuits where my reputation and my time are on the line or a serious hobby. I would much rather have a quality tool that can save me time while increasing my chances at a quality result than to get the big bargain tool that I grumble using while scrambling to get professional results. However, I do not drive super-quality or fancy cars. I found enough quality in a truck that now has over 200K miles. It has little to do with my job or any of my passions, but it has what I needed when I bought it. It may well be crap to someone who depends on a vehicle for professional reasons, though. For example, I can only picture a real estate agent getting value from it to repair property, not to show property. Please note that getting quality tools does not necessarily equate to high costs; nor do crappy tools always equate to low costs. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Are you saying there are no quality tools that are low cost? Perhaps you just aren't a good shopper. I never said a 'reasonable job', but I don't need a 25 dollar hammer to hang a picture as I said. By your logic, your 25 dollar hammer, would do better than a 5 dollar hammer at putting a nail in drywall to hang a photo. I don't need snap on tools to do brakes on my car, or change the oil, or replace a radiator. My joy as it were, does not come in a mass of low quality tools, but in being sharp enough not to spend $$$ when it only costs $. I look for the least expensive tool that can do the job RIGHT. Isn't that what you do? If you have two equal quality tools for a job, you don't buy the most expensive one do you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Android PDAs
Does anyone know if HTC or Motorola or some other company will be coming out with a PDA that runs Android OS? For instance, iPod Touch is the iPhone minus the phone ... I'm insterested in such a device, but without the phone. Googling for Android PDAs turns up several hits about experimental attempts at running Android on older PDAs but nothing much for newer and cooler devices. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
The other day, on CNN, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said this about the expectation of privacy for users of Google: If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I guess that clears things up! It certainly does. Very consistent with a company motto of Don't do evil. Definitely incomprehensible to that portion of the population that is morally handicapped. You could switch from Google to Bing. Remember Always trust Microsoft and their systems that call the mothership to report on you? “You Have Zero Privacy Anyway. Get Over It” - Sun Microsystems (JAVA) chairman, president and CEO, Scott McNealy. http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/01/17538 For those who weren't paying attention then, and use social networks and searches, it hasn't changed. Do you allow your social security number to be used by vendors, doctors, banks? Do you use the same email address for everything? Do you have a Facebook, etc. page and lots of 'friends' there? You still have no privacy [and it's probably your fault]. Get over it. It's like living in a worldwide small town! Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Marcio, That's because you didn't follow our directions (my directions ?) and contact the Administrative contact listed for your domain . Although the service was contracted by Google to a subsidiary of Go Daddy, the party administering your domain is not Google and it's not GoDaddy ... it's the subsidiary That Admin contact info for your domain is clearly listed on the WhoIs lookup.. Just do the WhoIs lookup again, call or email them and your renewal will be taken care of.They simply LOVE to have your money as far in advance as they can get it so that is not your problem. (They even give reduced rates for longer renewals...) If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. db Marcio wrote: Thanks to you all. The problem is that my registration will end in February, I like to keep my blog running and, so far, I did not find a way to renew it with Goggle or GoDaddy... Help Marcio -Original Message- From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. Google does offer the service - in partnership with GoDaddy (or at least they do with the Google Apps service - and I assume they do with their blogging service too). They do say that the registration is with GoDaddy, although people who are unfamiliar with the domain registration process may not catch that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android PDAs
They are coming out with net books with android, haven't seen any pdas. It think the PDA is going away. You could look around and get a used android phone and not get service for it, it would still run the apps. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.comwrote: Does anyone know if HTC or Motorola or some other company will be coming out with a PDA that runs Android OS? For instance, iPod Touch is the iPhone minus the phone ... I'm insterested in such a device, but without the phone. Googling for Android PDAs turns up several hits about experimental attempts at running Android on older PDAs but nothing much for newer and cooler devices. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
This announcement is like when Conyers was asked about reading bills and he actually laughed at the question...read them? What do you mean *read*them?? lol Eric Schmidt admitted nothing that all of us didn't already know. We've all been sitting around drinking tea pretending that gorilla wasn't there...the gorilla that means you have no privacy. Eric was just bold enough to point it out. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The other day, on CNN, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said this about the expectation of privacy for users of Google: If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I guess that clears things up! It certainly does. Very consistent with a company motto of Don't do evil. Definitely incomprehensible to that portion of the population that is morally handicapped. You could switch from Google to Bing. Remember Always trust Microsoft and their systems that call the mothership to report on you? “You Have Zero Privacy Anyway. Get Over It” - Sun Microsystems (JAVA) chairman, president and CEO, Scott McNealy. http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/01/17538 For those who weren't paying attention then, and use social networks and searches, it hasn't changed. Do you allow your social security number to be used by vendors, doctors, banks? Do you use the same email address for everything? Do you have a Facebook, etc. page and lots of 'friends' there? You still have no privacy [and it's probably your fault]. Get over it. It's like living in a worldwide small town! Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Wow, really? Though I'm sure they're out there, I've never met one. They must all conglomerate around your area. Is this the same part of the country where some of the people hitch up their horses to their Prius? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Tony B wrote: I hadn't thought about that. Since so many Mac owners actually run Windows, they would be the first to be totally pissed off that their Magic Mouse wouldn't work! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Personally, I think it's more important to have a skilled person behind the tools, than just looking at the quality of the tools. FYI, a friend worked for years restoring vehicles for the Smithsonian. The work he did was impeccable, as evidenced that the Smithsonian kept calling him back. Yet to look at his shop with its antiquated tools, you would never guess how great a craftsman he was. I would rather have a person that can work with anything like this than to have someone show up with flashy tools and maybe not much to back it up. Richard P. hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I know half a dozen mac owners, all of them run windows on the machine at one time or another. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Wow, really? Though I'm sure they're out there, I've never met one. They must all conglomerate around your area. Is this the same part of the country where some of the people hitch up their horses to their Prius? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Tony B wrote: I hadn't thought about that. Since so many Mac owners actually run Windows, they would be the first to be totally pissed off that their Magic Mouse wouldn't work! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google exec dismisses concept of privacy
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:52 PM, betty wrote: You still have no privacy [and it's probably your fault]. Get over it. It's like living in a worldwide small town! We always knew that our backwoods droids did not really relish living there in the outback. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
mike I've had no regrets with my android phone, got the hero, no keyboard and it's great. I've not been wanting for apps in the least, everything I've gone looking for, I've found. There are a couple things snip My boss at work (as opposed to the boss at home...), his girl friend now has a Droid (ATT coverage is non-existent in the area). The boss is a self-admitted and unashamed MFB, he reports that the GF is having problems with butt dialing and a poor user interface. From all of the reports I've seen none of that is reported. Are others having the same sorts of issues? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Part-time musicians are semiconductors * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:03 PM, mike wrote: I know half a dozen mac owners, all of them run windows on the machine at one time or another. Only occasionally to remind ourselves of our great fortune. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, db wrote: If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. Except that you really don't want to be hosted by GoDaddy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Richard P. wrote: Personally, I think it's more important to have a skilled person behind the tools, than just looking at the quality of the tools. ... The work he did was impeccable, as evidenced that the Smithsonian kept calling him back. Yet to look at his shop with its antiquated tools... This quote amply demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of craftsmen and craftsmanship. 1st, antiquated means old fashioned, but that says nothing about the quality of the tools. I love opening my grandfather's tool chest and handling his wonderful antiquated woodworking tools. They are beautiful and highly functional. They are great tools for doing fine work, even today. Using them is a joy. 2nd, your assertion that a craftsman does not value quality is nonsense. It ain't true just because you say so and you have produced nothing to vouch for its veracity. Notice that when you see wonderfully creative artists and scientists interviewed on TV, if you see a computer in the background it will almost always be a Mac. It is the grubby MBAs who run their ponzi schemes on Windows PCs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
This may be a dumb question, but here goes. I ordered a new computer from Dell and they shipped the wrong box to me. I am awaiting a replacement but it may take a while given the season. I was told I could use the wrong box (a Precision T7500 Workstation with a Xeon Processor) while I wait for the right one to be built and re-delivered (an XPS 9000 with an i7-920 processor). If I install a legal version of Win7 and install all my programs on a brand new drive that I put temporarily into the T7500, then when the XPS finally arrives, would I be able to simply remove the T7500's new boot drive and pop it into the XPS instead and be functional booting form the swapped drive? I don't want to spend days setting up all of my programs on the box that has to be sent back unless I have an easy migration to the right box when it arrives, i.e. a migration that does not have me re-install either the OS or more importantly all my programs. Both computers will be running on Win7 but the hardware is different enough that I am wondering about a) license issues or more likely b) incompatibility issues that might force me to go the re-install route. Anyone shed light on what I might expect, or better still, is there a better way to accomplish what I want? Many thanks, Michael * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Shopping advice needed -- keyboard mouse
My daughter wants a wireless keyboard and mouse for her desktop computer (Windows Vista) at Xmas. Quite a number of these at Newegg. Question, for a separate purchase of wireless RF keyboard RF mouse, will the two interfere with each other? Looking at Logitech K350 keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse 2000. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
You likely can get away with what you propose, if you are prepared to use the CD disc that comes with the new machine (or downloaded files) to install the drivers for the new hardware. There won't be any need to delete the old drivers, although there may be some longer time taken to boot, as there will be registry entries for the old hardware. If you open support.dell.com and enter the System Service Tag number (alphanumeric string) for the new machine, you should be able to download all of the drivers for the hardware in it. At least it would work with Win2K and XP. Don't know for sure with Win7. I at one point had a dockable hard drive that I carried between two computers, which worked ok. Fred Holmes At 08:35 PM 12/11/2009, Michael Wosnick wrote: This may be a dumb question, but here goes. I ordered a new computer from Dell and they shipped the wrong box to me. I am awaiting a replacement but it may take a while given the season. I was told I could use the wrong box (a Precision T7500 Workstation with a Xeon Processor) while I wait for the right one to be built and re-delivered (an XPS 9000 with an i7-920 processor). If I install a legal version of Win7 and install all my programs on a brand new drive that I put temporarily into the T7500, then when the XPS finally arrives, would I be able to simply remove the T7500's new boot drive and pop it into the XPS instead and be functional booting form the swapped drive? I don't want to spend days setting up all of my programs on the box that has to be sent back unless I have an easy migration to the right box when it arrives, i.e. a migration that does not have me re-install either the OS or more importantly all my programs. Both computers will be running on Win7 but the hardware is different enough that I am wondering about a) license issues or more likely b) incompatibility issues that might force me to go the re-install route. Anyone shed light on what I might expect, or better still, is there a better way to accomplish what I want? Many thanks, Michael * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
GoDaddy domain and server support hasn't been bad for me. Although I don't like GoDaddy's complex Control Panel interface, one of the things I highly value about GoDaddy is they have 24/7 all American tech support, the techs are very knowledgeable and have a good espirit de corps and really help you rather than transfer you around in typical tech hell fashion. From the start, I have opted out from the marketing emails GoDaddy will send you so I never have had the experience with them that you have complained about. I hated Network Solutions but have never tried 1 1 that you and everyone like. Besides the potential marketing spamming, what do you not like about GoDaddy Tom? db tjpa wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, db wrote: If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. Except that you really don't want to be hosted by GoDaddy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I never asserted that a craftsman doesn't value quality. Apparently you made that up out of nowhere in order to interject another Mac/PC dig. In the example I gave, the person appreciated quality so much that he produced projects worthy of display in the Smithsonian, year after year. The tools and the workshop he used to accomplish this were nothing to look at, but in his hands, he created miracles. Richard P. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Richard P. wrote: Personally, I think it's more important to have a skilled person behind the tools, than just looking at the quality of the tools. ... The work he did was impeccable, as evidenced that the Smithsonian kept calling him back. Yet to look at his shop with its antiquated tools... This quote amply demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of craftsmen and craftsmanship. 1st, antiquated means old fashioned, but that says nothing about the quality of the tools. I love opening my grandfather's tool chest and handling his wonderful antiquated woodworking tools. They are beautiful and highly functional. They are great tools for doing fine work, even today. Using them is a joy. 2nd, your assertion that a craftsman does not value quality is nonsense. It ain't true just because you say so and you have produced nothing to vouch for its veracity. Notice that when you see wonderfully creative artists and scientists interviewed on TV, if you see a computer in the background it will almost always be a Mac. It is the grubby MBAs who run their ponzi schemes on Windows PCs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shopping advice needed -- keyboard mouse
Possibly. I wouldn't do it; I'd prefer a matched pair. However, our own experiences with wireless has not been good. While one imagines oneself having more freedom, say, to lean back in a chair, in fact you can't do that because you need to be close to the monitor to read stuff. Darned silly to have the wireless just sitting right on the desk where the wired stuff always was. OTOH, a wireless mouse for a notebook is good. Look for the one with the really short USB plug that doesn't stick so far out you're always worried about breaking it off. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter wants a wireless keyboard and mouse for her desktop computer (Windows Vista) at Xmas. Quite a number of these at Newegg. Question, for a separate purchase of wireless RF keyboard RF mouse, will the two interfere with each other? Looking at Logitech K350 keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse 2000. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
In general, no. When you install an OS it senses all the hardware and tries it's best to work with that specific stuff. Replacing something with a lot of hardware - like a motherboard - usually requires reinstalling the OS. Not always, but personally I've never had good luck doing it. An awful lot of work just because you didn't want to wait a few days. Besides, if you break some kind of seal and they discover you've opened the case that could be trouble. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.com wrote: This may be a dumb question, but here goes. I ordered a new computer from Dell and they shipped the wrong box to me. I am awaiting a replacement but it may take a while given the season. I was told I could use the wrong box (a Precision T7500 Workstation with a Xeon Processor) while I wait for the right one to be built and re-delivered (an XPS 9000 with an i7-920 processor). If I install a legal version of Win7 and install all my programs on a brand new drive that I put temporarily into the T7500, then when the XPS finally arrives, would I be able to simply remove the T7500's new boot drive and pop it into the XPS instead and be functional booting form the swapped drive? I don't want to spend days setting up all of my programs on the box that has to be sent back unless I have an easy migration to the right box when it arrives, i.e. a migration that does not have me re-install either the OS or more importantly all my programs. Both computers will be running on Win7 but the hardware is different enough that I am wondering about a) license issues or more likely b) incompatibility issues that might force me to go the re-install route. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Yes I do... I just want to keep my blog alive. I don´t know how to transfer my domain to GoDaddy especially because my blog is made with Goodle. My domain: www.drmarciovasconcellospinheiro.com I am worried. Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Dec 11, 2009 11:15 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, db wrote: If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. Except that you really don't want to be hosted by GoDaddy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Many, many thanks... I will try this again carefully to see if I get there. You know it is the first time I have done this. I am writing papewrs in my blog and I started this with google. Will let you know what will come out of this attempt following your advice. Thanks again Marcio -Original Message- From: db db...@att.net Sent: Dec 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? Marcio, That's because you didn't follow our directions (my directions ?) and contact the Administrative contact listed for your domain . Although the service was contracted by Google to a subsidiary of Go Daddy, the party administering your domain is not Google and it's not GoDaddy ... it's the subsidiary That Admin contact info for your domain is clearly listed on the WhoIs lookup.. Just do the WhoIs lookup again, call or email them and your renewal will be taken care of.They simply LOVE to have your money as far in advance as they can get it so that is not your problem. (They even give reduced rates for longer renewals...) If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. db Marcio wrote: Thanks to you all. The problem is that my registration will end in February, I like to keep my blog running and, so far, I did not find a way to renew it with Goggle or GoDaddy... Help Marcio -Original Message- From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. Google does offer the service - in partnership with GoDaddy (or at least they do with the Google Apps service - and I assume they do with their blogging service too). They do say that the registration is with GoDaddy, although people who are unfamiliar with the domain registration process may not catch that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Marcio, The administrative contact officially listed in your WhoIs lookup is the ONLY entity who can do that for you ... nobody else has the records or the authority ... and I am sure they will be more than happy to take your money to extend your domain for as long as you wish.. If you want to continue with them managing your domain registration, then just pay them for the additional time . If you would rather take control yourself then tell them that and where you want to move it's domain registration to and they will gladly tell you how and help you to do that. In your case, for simplicity sake you should probably just keep it where it is but carefully note how and when to contact them in the future. db Marcio wrote: Many, many thanks... I will try this again carefully to see if I get there. You know it is the first time I have done this. I am writing papewrs in my blog and I started this with google. Will let you know what will come out of this attempt following your advice. Thanks again Marcio -Original Message- From: db db...@att.net Sent: Dec 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? Marcio, That's because you didn't follow our directions (my directions ?) and contact the Administrative contact listed for your domain . Although the service was contracted by Google to a subsidiary of Go Daddy, the party administering your domain is not Google and it's not GoDaddy ... it's the subsidiary That Admin contact info for your domain is clearly listed on the WhoIs lookup.. Just do the WhoIs lookup again, call or email them and your renewal will be taken care of.They simply LOVE to have your money as far in advance as they can get it so that is not your problem. (They even give reduced rates for longer renewals...) If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. db Marcio wrote: Thanks to you all. The problem is that my registration will end in February, I like to keep my blog running and, so far, I did not find a way to renew it with Goggle or GoDaddy... Help Marcio -Original Message- From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. Google does offer the service - in partnership with GoDaddy (or at least they do with the Google Apps service - and I assume they do with their blogging service too). They do say that the registration is with GoDaddy, although people who are unfamiliar with the domain registration process may not catch that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
