Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread Jeff Miles
My son is going through the same disappointment with his new car want. A Chevy Camaro, fully loaded is something he can afford, but the insurance will kill him. I asked if the seats lay all the way back so he could sleep in his car. Insurance pricing is a joke. And the tort

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread Jeff Miles
Fred, I'll be needing $10 from you, and all your friends, and their friends friends. But don't worry, I promise to think like you and we'll get that nasty bill crushed. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread Jeff Miles
After being absent for a few days I really should read ahead before replying to old posts. Below pretty much covers my thoughts. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:18 AM, b_s-wilk

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread Judy Cosler
what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:22 PM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: .. et sous le pont d'Avignon, l'on y danse.. Many thanks, John! --- On Wed, 3/3/10, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John Settle

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: My son is going through the same disappointment with his new car want. A Chevy Camaro, fully loaded is something he can afford, but the insurance will kill him. Damn right. My auto insurance just went up by $146 for a

[CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
Many parents in the Lower Merion School District where the school spying situation unfolded are opposed to any legal action being taken against the county and some want any investigations into the incidents to be terminated. Why? They all have but one reason. Money. They are saying that any

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread John Settle
On 3/4/2010 7:23 AM, Judy Cosler wrote: what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? Hi Judy, See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com: what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? Don't panic. It's just the way web browsers identify themselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Tony B
That's a bit of a reach considering these were free laptops handed out with specific instructions leading one to know the cams could be used at any time. I don't recall anything like that happening during Jim Crow. I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it came

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 7:23 AM -0500 3/4/10, Judy Cosler wrote: what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? A user agent is also know as the client, as in client-server. When surfing the web, there are two ends to the conversation: the client or user agent, which is your browser (Firefox, Safari, Opera,

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread mike
So your neighbor gives you a laptop...two weeks later you learn he had installed a remote program on the laptop and has been watching your 13 year old daughter in her room. Your answer is to go yell at your daughter that she should have taped the cam? Interesting. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:05

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread tjpa
On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: So on the face of it, how friggen greedy do they have to get before someone starts calling foul? Especially when it's your and my money? When the government gets money to pay for the common defense and promote the general welfare they cry foul.

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread tjpa
On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Roger D. Parish wrote: The browser, or user agent, identifies itself to the server upon initial contact. It is this identification that this discussion is about. You can fib to the server and say you are Safari when you are Firefox, for example. The reason you

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread tjpa
On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:25 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It makes no sense to me. It's like I'm suing myself, said Jamie Singer, whose son and daughter attend the high school. If a delivery person robs a bank while driving their delivery route does the delivery company get prosecuted? Don't

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread Tony B
Of course, if they lie about one thing they probably lie about others, which is why we can't just poll people to find out what types of computers they're using. BTW, if anyone cares, I'm responsible for about 14 PCs now, but only 5 of them connect to the internet. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Tony B
If I was dumb enough to take a free laptop from my neighbor and not wipe the drive before giving it to my pubescent daughter then I would sue *myself *for being too stupid to have procreated. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: So your neighbor gives you a

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread John Settle
On 3/4/2010 11:33 AM, tjpa wrote: Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. Hear! Hear ! Well said. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread John Settle
On 3/4/2010 11:27 AM, tjpa wrote: When the government gets money to pay for the common defense and promote the general welfare they cry foul. When greedy corporations get money for outlandish bonuses and wild parties that's perfectly fine. To take a quote from an AIG exec out of context

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on? / Don't Panic

2010-03-04 Thread John Settle
On 3/4/2010 9:58 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Don't panic. It's just the way web browsers identify themselves. Sorry, didn't mean to scare anybody. I was not 100% sure I understood what a user agent was myself. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Art Clemons
On 03/04/2010 01:48 PM, John Settle wrote: Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. Hear! Hear ! Well said. You are supposing that the school district wasn't responsible for the actions of its

Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?

2010-03-04 Thread tjpa
On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Tony B wrote: Of course, if they lie about one thing they probably lie about others, which is why we can't just poll people to find out what types of computers they're using. BTW, if anyone cares, I'm responsible for about 14 PCs now, but only 5 of them connect

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread tjpa
On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Art Clemons wrote: You are supposing that the school district wasn't responsible for the actions of its employees and contractors in this situation. Despite what the wing nuts at the Supreme Court would have you believe, the school district is not a person. It

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread tjpa
On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:54 PM, John Settle wrote: They (Politicians)only care about the next election, just like we only care about the next bonus. Well, none of them cares about the country, none of us cares about the institution, he said, adding: They really don't care, and I really don't

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
As a municipal official (elected to town council of a very small town), that garbage makes my blood boil. The town pays me well under $1,000 per year. I file for election with the state election board and stand every four years. I am honored to serve with others who may disagree at times, but

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
When I lived in Canada, all local elections were party free. In other words you ran against you competitor not a party. Some states and municipalities do this also. This I think makes true what you are saying. I find most (I limit that) elected officials to be interested in their fellow

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Art Clemons On 03/04/2010 01:48 PM, John Settle wrote: Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. Hear! Hear ! Well said. You are supposing that the school district wasn't responsible for the

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it came with strings attached. Eh, the school board never told the parents about any strings attached. The school system never revealed the fact that those

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: But once you get into state and national politics they start moving the other way. Yeah, well that is where they start getting onto the REAL money, the kind of money that makes the risks truly

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: I don't think this is going to go away, I believe the FBI has been called in, child porn?? I don't think that porn is going to be involved in this case. The Lower Merion School District is an extremely well heeled

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Tony B
The question is: Why don't *you* consider yourself paranoid? Or are you actually doing something in front of the camera that's even remotely interesting? And why void a warranty when a little piece of tape will work? Or are you concerned there's a way to remove your tape remotely? :) On Thu, Mar

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Chris Dunford
If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Stewart Marshall
Hey good stuff almost as good as a drug and just as addictive. Stewart At 06:38 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote: If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread mike
Does anyone else feel that it is a reasonable expectation of privacy that a school provided laptop won't have the camera turned on remotely to watch little girls and boys in their bedrooms? I don't think anyone on this list would ever even have the thought to do such thing, doesn't it make you

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread John DeCarlo
If I were those worried parents, I would start a movement to prevent the school from using any taxpayer money to defend themselves. That is the rip-off, not the class action lawsuit. It doesn't help anyone in that school district to pay lawyers. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. Correct, and that act was regarded by the school as evidence that the student was both using drugs as well as planning to distribute them. Who was the stupid party

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
To be honest there is still too little information being released for anyone to make a good solid opinion on. 1.) Did they inform the students that their activity could be monitored under limited circumstances (Lost notebooks or similar) At this point that does not seem the case, so there

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I agree don't sue the school, but go after every one of these admin officials who is involved. Yeah, but there is more to the lawsuit as well as to the story than just the spying that took place. A lawsuit is also often a means of

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Stewart Marshall
At this point a lot of discovery needs to be done by the parents lawyers seeking to find all the unanswered questions at this point. Should be interesting when we find out all the information. By the way it is after discovery that the Judge can dismiss defendants from the case if it is shown

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: To be honest there is still too little information being released for anyone to make a good solid opinion on. Thus, one of the reasons for the lawsuit. 1.)  Did they inform the students that their activity

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Stewart Marshall
I don't live there so all we are seeing are the sound bytes that the newsies show. Sounds like there is a lot of stuff going on back and forth. She (the VP) has probably been named and that is why she spoke out. I really wish we would see more of this story as it plays out but I bet we

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-04 Thread Judy Cosler
a friend of mine who is an IT consultant say nix on Dells. PLUS my Dell laptop of 18 months old just totally died! from what you say, why not a Netbook? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-04 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
You forgot to tell us what you want to do. A netbook is great for email and websurfing- but not number crunching. I avoid Dell AT ALL COSTS. But, first we need to know what you want to do. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-04 Thread Tony B
That's an okay deal. But here's a better one: Dellhttp://www.fatwallet.com/redirect/bounce.php?afsrc=1mid=14722401url=http://www.dell.com/Studio 17 Laptop Intel Pen Dual Core T4300 2.1GHz, 17 Win 7 Prem $399 ($377 w/ DPA) + $13 S/H Of course, if you add enough stuff (4gb ram, bigger hard drive)

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread Jeff Miles
Actually this is pretty easy. Just accuse them of some impropriety with a student. Of course if someone gets caught lying about something like this I hope they not only get prison time but also sued for most of what they're worth. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-04 Thread t.piwowar
On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yeah you really have to wonder why someone would blow 5 million $ running for an office that only pays just over $150.000 a year. And in the case of congress they do it every two years. Usually OPM -- Other People's Money.

[CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

2010-03-04 Thread t.piwowar
The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the end of the line. find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f '{}' \; should not +mtime 30 be -mtime +30 What does '{}'

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-04 Thread Art Clemons
Despite what the wing nuts at the Supreme Court would have you believe, the school district is not a person. It does not have the ability to reason. It does not know about good and evil. That is the province of people who work for the school district. Unfortunately, we are stuck with the