This is what I am afraid... If this is the case I would rather do a clean
install with Vista now while the computer is new.
Marcio
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From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 30, 2009 7:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista
This sounds better...
Marcio
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From: mike xha...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 30, 2009 7:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade
price. You just have to wipe the
This is always my fear... what a pain!
Marcio
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From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net
Sent: Apr 30, 2009 9:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
I do but do you want to have to reinstall everything on your system?
Just made an appointment with a psychoanalyst instead of a computer shop. But,
can they be trusted?
Marcio
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From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com
Sent: Apr 30, 2009 8:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
My particular problem is
This is what I am afraid... If this is the case I would rather do a
clean install with Vista now while the computer is new.
Marcio
Actually, I think Jeff had a great idea. Windows 7 RC1 will be available for
free download on May 5 and will be valid for a full year, so it will work until
I sure wouldn't recommend a casual user - especially one that fears
reinstalling a few apps - to install a RC version of Windows 7! At most it
will be good for a year, at which point they would likely need to do a clean
install again. I mean, who would trust an upgrade to an RC, even if that
path
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad.
For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation;
http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.htm
The Most Common (but Unstudied) Form of Self-Addiction
We all know self-righteous people. (And, if we are
If Yahoo (GeoCities?) is going to get out of the site hosting business,
wouldn't we want to not include them as a good hosting candidate? Or
are they only closing down GeoCities?
Right now nobody knows what Yahoo!'s plans are. The have a new CEO who is
going to have new plans. She has to
You know it clearly amazes me the lack of insight many folks have.
Many folks do not FEAR a reinstall, they just do not like it. It is
frustrating and time consuming.
I have had to do reinstalls. Just not my cup of tea, and if I can
avoid it, I avoid it.
I have done many upgrades over
I have set up several converter boxes for myself, my office and my Mom.
In every case the process was very quick, about 5 minutes. Maybe another
5 minutes to get the converter box's remote to control basic functions
for the TV.
What took time ws playing with the antenna. Antennaweb was a big
This is the way I feel. Many thanks. Why is so hard to understand why I want to
avoid a reinstall? I made a big mistake to put a XP Home in the new computer.
It was cheaper. I did it at the wrong time. Thank you to you all!
Marcio
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From: Rev. Stewart Marshall
What's actually happening in that space is
that everyone uses MP3 format, exactly as they should.
Well, *almost* everyone. **cough** iTunes **cough**
Funny that all my iTunes stuff is either MP3 or MP4. Maybe you are
running ZuneTunes? Or are you flogging Apple for moving on to MP4 format?
1. Did the shop owner accurately characterize Microsoft's plans when she
said that it is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them
too much to fix all the bugs?
Win 7 appears to be mostly a deloused version of Vista. Some have even
claimed that it would be wrong for M$ to charge
I read an article about computer security, suggesting that firewall
logging should be used. I had forgotten that I had turned it on in my
iMac running Mac OS 10.5.6, so I inspected the log, but I really don't
know the true meaning of the results. These entries seem ominous. Are
they? Is
It is not nonsense.
Not many of mine can simply be backed up they require a complete reinstall.
Any program that writes to the registry cannot simply be backed up it
requires a complete reinstall.
We must use different programs.
Stewart
At 09:21 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
Please don't keep
But no one that I read FEARS an reinstall, they just do not like the
time wasted reinstalling all their stuff and getting their system to
where they like it once more.
It depends on what the computer is used for. If its a part of a
production system and having a computer down will cause work
Hmmm now I am puzzled. Restore a C: and...no need to install a new OS?
Please advise
Marcio
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From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com
Sent: May 1, 2009 11:21 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Please don't keep spreading this
Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
Try Linux.
Stewart
At 09:54 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
It depends on what the computer is used for. If its a part of a
production system and having a computer down will cause work to be backed
up and deadlines to be missed I can understand using the word
Please don't keep spreading this nonsense. All *my* programs are backed up.
Many won't require reinstall even if I install a clean OS on my C drive, but
those that do - even the ones I've downloaded - will install in moments.
Looks like Tony does most of his computing with shareware. It is
Well, that seems pretty boneheaded on MS's part, given the low
adoption rate of Vista and the fact that they already have an
XP -- Vista upgrade engine that could easily be adapted to
Win7.
I think it is just FUD to get people to buy Vista in a panic. When MS
looks at the numbers and starts
Could you please provide some statistics and an unbiased reference to
corroborate this?
In my experience, and I've worked in IT many years, mission-critical
systems tend to be servers running some form of Unix. Often there's a
mainframe in the picture as well.
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:54 AM,
Is there anything wrong with XP that would motivate
upgrading to Vista? I don't see anything.
etc. etc. etc.
I knew it was hopeless to ask for honest, non-weasely responses.
You failed to answer a single question honestly because, over and over and
over, you're completely missing the point.
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
I have set up several converter boxes for myself, my office and my Mom.
In every case the process was very quick, about 5 minutes. Maybe another
5 minutes to get the converter box's remote to control basic functions
for the TV.
From appfirewall.log
May 1 06:32:43 Macintosh Firewall[41]: LaunchCFMApp is listening from
0.0.0.0:3829 uid = 501 proto=6
May 1 06:35:50 Macintosh Firewall[41]: cupsd is listening from
fe80::1:631 uid = 0 proto=6
The firewall log is telling you that you have 2 apps that are listening
for
Now, Tom is going to splutter and fume and start hyperventilating because
we're suggesting that you use a beta version of Windows. He would have
been right if we'd suggested this in December. But the current beta is
already rock solid, and RC1 is the release candidate--the version that
will be
This is to be considered I think. Just want to avoid the pain of doing a
clean install later on... when I have more programs in my computer...
A PC bought today will need to be replaced about the time Win7 hits
stability with SP1 or SP2. So just run XP until it comes time to replace
your PC.
Question for this group: is there a way of installing a program from a
backup image (DriveImage, similar to Ghost image) onto a boot disk
without the original program disks?
I have used Ghost to clone a damaged drive to a new drive. Because Ghost
made an exact copy at the hardware level - a
I think that is ingrained in American corporate culture.
Until consequences equal the severity of the lie, it will not
change. They can call it advertising, or whatever. But until there
is some law that makes lying in a corporate atmosphere a sever
penalty they will continue to do it.
I avoided addressing this in the interest of simplicity. A desktop or
laptop running OSX 10.5 or higher is technically a Unix computer. I suspect
the preponderance of Apple computers in active use are running earlier
versions of OSX. When I refer to Unix servers, I have in mind a category
of
Tom, thanks!
Listening: I thought that someone on the outside was listening!
Hard Drive: I use Time Machine and alternate between two external
drives, so I should be OK there. The first iMac hardware upgrade after
Snow Leopard I will probably buy a new iMac, thus using a new hard
drive.
You shouldn't need a new Airport, the problem seems to be with
your network settings, with your system holding on to an old setting
that it ought to forget. When you have deleted the old network
and leave the Network settings pane and you are given the option
to apply new settings, are you sure
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote:
At 04:09 PM 4/30/2009, mike wrote:
If someone inserts a USB key, presumably they want to open it? Same with
a
CD..why put a cd in if there isn't something there you want to do with it?
Well, what I usually want to do is open
As I understand it, Apple OS is a Unix base with a GUI added on top.
Most Unix Servers etc. run proprietary stuff on top of the Unix so
they are similar but not the same.
My TIVO box is a Linux Base with a GUI (TIVO) Added on top of it.
My Tom-Tom is a Linux base with a GUI added on top of
Listening: I thought that someone on the outside was listening!
Having your computer listening is not such a good thing either. It might
actually do what's its told. Some of the most famous exploits run against
Windows come from that OS not following Mom's advice Don't listen to
strangers.
To
It's possible some Apple hardware is included in this mix, but
focusing on that is basically a distraction.
Oh yes, the old it has to be brown to be an MP3 player argument.
Apple makes a very nice server.
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No, Apple keeps current version (10.5.x) as UNIX. So it is no longer
correct to refer to it as a UNIX-base; it is UNIX with Apple's GUI and
other software additions.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
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As I understand it, Apple OS is a Unix base with a GUI added on top.
Most Unix
Could you please provide some statistics and an unbiased reference to
corroborate this?
You would just nitpick to obscure the truth. Waste everybody's time.
In my experience, and I've worked in IT many years, mission-critical
systems tend to be servers running some form of Unix. Often there's a
Please don't keep spreading this nonsense. All *my* programs are backed up.
Many won't require reinstall even if I install a clean OS on my C drive, but
those that do - even the ones I've downloaded - will install in moments.
All of my programs and data are backed up too. Commercial programs
Here's what happened; what does it mean?
Macintosh:~ Alvin$ netstat -an | grep LISTEN
tcp6 0 0 fe80::1%lo0.631*.*
LISTEN
tcp4 0 0 *.3829 *.*
LISTEN
tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.631 *.*
It was, however, very simple: was the information Marcio got from his shop
owner about WHY he should not upgrade accurate and reliable? Does the shop
owner appear to be knowledgable and competent? It's clear to everyone except
you that she is not.
I answered that directly. Your Vista Protection
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
You would just nitpick to obscure the truth. Waste everybody's time.
...
OS X is UNIX.
this is a nitpicking, legalistic distinction, and irrelevant to the original
topic.
You really do need to learn more about computers.
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad.
For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation;
http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.htm
Interesting that you chose to use something from David Brin, one of
the most self-rightous and sanctimonious,
Grab the Release Candidate (RC) of Windows 7 on May 5. It's the last beta
release before RTM (release to manufacturers) later this year.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicar
ticleId=9132397
Actually April 30th if you are on M$'s insider list. There must be
Funny that all my iTunes stuff is either MP3 or MP4. Maybe you are
running ZuneTunes? Or are you flogging Apple for moving on to MP4 format?
Got those MP3 FOREVER bumper stickers on your car?
Apple stopped selling in the AAC format? News to me and damned if I
could find a single thing on the
Here's what happened; what does it mean?
Macintosh:~ Alvin$ netstat -an | grep LISTEN
tcp6 0 0 fe80::1%lo0.631*.*
LISTEN
tcp4 0 0 *.3829 *.*
LISTEN
tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.631 *.*
Apple stopped selling in the AAC format?
AAC is Apple's name for MP4. FireWire is Apple's name for IEEE 1394.
Macintosh is Apple's name for a PC.
Any questions?
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Please ask yourself why you reacted so radically? What is so threatening
to you?
Did you read it? You are making Brin's point.
Jeff Wright wrote:
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad.
For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation;
My Mac has the one that ends with 631. There are 9 others. All beginning
with tcp4 or tcp6.
I haven't found anywhere that talks about this stuff yet.
Alvin Auerbach wrote:
Here's what happened; what does it mean?
Macintosh:~ Alvin$ netstat -an | grep LISTEN
tcp6 0 0
A TCP listener is a process that accepts socket connection requests and
forks off dedicated sockets to complete the connections and allow
communication to proceed. You can't have TCP/IP without one or more. The
presence of listeners, by itself, has no bearing on how secure the computer
is.
On
Aahh! tcp. Of course. I'm still curious to find out more about what they
are. I'll experiment.
Thanks
John Emmerling wrote:
A TCP listener is a process that accepts socket connection requests and
forks off dedicated sockets to complete the connections and allow
communication to proceed. You
Just a brief update. We have now reconfigured the hook-up of the
Comcast Cable box and we are receiving all stations that are included
in our plan. (Think NO extra's.) We have not yet received the RCA
converter, but I'm looking forward to trying that in different
locations, and with
This has all taken way too much time and thought. What
happened to the old days when you bought a TV (or whatever), brought
it home, plugged it in, and it worked? I'm really missing those
old days. Needless to say, I was much younger then.
Reminds me of the line You are doing a fine job
The presence of listeners, by itself, has no bearing on how secure the
computer is.
I would put it a little differently. The security of the listeners is one
major factor that determines the security of the computer.
When you can't trust the listeners you shut down their ports. Shutting
down
If you're saying that you think she IS competent, then either you're
delusional or you're playing one of your little games.
Anything that does not agree with your preconceived notions is invisible.
I got it. We won't bother you with facts and logic.
Do you know where info can be found about what is in the firewall log?
I have enable firewall logging and enable stealth mode checked and allow
only essential services checked.
I'm curious. Not concerned.
Tom Piwowar wrote:
I would put it a little differently. The security of the listeners is
AAC is Apple's name for MP4.
Yes, I know that. So, you just contradicted yourself; par for Tom's course.
Any questions?
Yes, why are you so full of...never mind.
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Please ask yourself why you reacted so radically? What is so
threatening
to you?
Brilliant. I await your declaration of mike and I being in denial.
I can see now why you play on Tom's team. If you can't dazzle them with
bullshit, baffle them with bullshit.
Did you read it? You are making
So which of these listeners identified on Alvin's computer are
untrustworthy?
Macintosh:~ Alvin$ netstat -an | grep LISTEN
tcp6 0 0 fe80::1%lo0.631*.*LISTEN
tcp4 0 0 *.3829 *.*LISTEN
tcp4 0 0
I am not sure. I have worked with her for yeras and as far as I can tell she
has always been honest with me. She put together for me the before last
computer (I bought the parts one at a time) and she did this last one that is
working fine. She asked me if I wanted the Vista or the XP, stating
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