Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
It's my understanding that the new Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora interface very much. I would love an updated version that fixes bugs and adds useful features, without breaking all of the settings I already have, including general settings, address book with group addresses, filters, etc. I have a large array of mailboxes (pigeonholes) and filters to automatically direct incoming messages to the appropriate mailbox. Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 9/6/2009, Marcio wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
I hope it stays around for a good while. I love it. Why doesn´t Mozilla works on it without changing it too much? CanI sent a suggestion to them? Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 6, 2009 7:02 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora N! I still use the last Eudora put out by Qualcomm. The one put out by Mozilla (The Penelope Project) is just not the same. It just not operate as nicely nor do the folders work as nicely. I have used it but I stick with the old Eudora. Stewart At 04:44 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora It's my understanding that the new Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora interface very much. I would love an updated version that fixes bugs and adds useful features, without breaking all of the settings I already have, including general settings, address book with group addresses, filters, etc. I have a large array of mailboxes (pigeonholes) and filters to automatically direct incoming messages to the appropriate mailbox. Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 9/6/2009, Marcio wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
-Original Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 1:52 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a region the higher the prices. Doctors do not compete, they judge one another on the amount they make. So if one doctor raises prices, all of them will to stay even. Could you imagine what would happen if Doctors advertised and actually competed? Come see Dr. X we only charge XX for a regular visit. We also offer a money back guarantee!! The Lasik and laser eye surgery market is very competitive and you know the prices going in. They advertise heavily and compete with one another. Word of mouth referrals carry a great deal of weight. I personally know several people who have had these procedures done and all were very happy with the price and the results. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * I will never undergo such a procedure. Even if the risk is minimal. When it goes wrong it goes wrong for life. Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten off was a person who opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who did the biting was a supporter of Obama's health care reform. At 11:59 PM 9/5/2009, t.piwowar wrote: I appreciate your faith. I guess the most distressing part of the whole affair is seeing the wing nuts so ready to sell out their country for a sack of gold. They support the ultra-rich insurance barons, the M$s, the Comcasts, etc. and give the shiv to their fellow citizens. Did you catch the news report about one of them biting off the finger of someone who disagreed with them? Makes me glad that there is a computer separating us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
You sound like healthy is a permanent state Jeff. O=Please consider that all of us, regardless of how narcisit we are, will lose our health sooner or later, sometimes sooner. So we can´t exclue ourselves to being among the unhealthy. The same for being poor. Anyone is above the possibility? Ithink it is funny when people talked about poor and unhealthy as being the other... Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Sent: Sep 7, 2009 2:01 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Ok, and you have a problem with this why? Do you really hate the poor that much? I was mostly talking about the option everyone seems to be against. I know I hate it when I'm given options, don't you? As for paying for others health care, I really don't mind. We all end up paying for others sooner or later. If you keep them healthy, and get health costs under control, it'll more then likely be later then sooner. In other words, keep them working. Or at least able to work. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be required of everyone. Jeff, that IS the single defining component of single payer. NO ONE else is paying other than the guvmint, which is kinda the point of *single* payer. Here, let me google that for you. Single-payer health care insurance is a public service financing the delivery of near-universal or universal health care to a given population as defined by age, citizenship, residency, or any other demographic. Single-payer health insurance operates by arranging the payment of services to doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers from a single source established and managed by government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care First hit, for 'single payer.' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
If it is for the common good... let´s do it. Marcio -Original Message- From: Mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 6, 2009 7:13 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Who would have thought the unions and government would own a car company 15 years ago? Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance companies. While I'd love to see this happen I doubt it would. Insurance companies are the largest business in the world. I think it would take a whole lot more then a government health insurance option to bring them down. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and other things not. I find it odd that people look to a system that has only made things much less affordable over the years, not the system that has made most things much more affordable, as the preferred solution to accessible health care. Under a free market (not capitalist) option you have choices. Under the guvmint option, you have none. That is the critical difference. I never claimed it to be perfect. Just much, much better. *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** *** *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
How can the wealthy remain untaxed? Families making under 60k? a year don't pay anything...who is paying? On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Tom is right in a way that conservatives have been wanting for a long time, but Mike is wrong--it's everybody's money except the wealthiest people who remain mostly untaxed. Social Security and Medicare are flat taxes, no exceptions, just what they love. However, there's a huge exception that needs to be corrected. Conservatives can have their flat tax, and everybody gets to pay tax on all of their income--no loopholes. I think it's now a combined 15% tax [7-1/2% each for employer and employee, or all 15% for self-employed]. By increasing the ceiling to include all income over $100,000 too, the tax could be lowered, both Social Security and Medicare will be solvent long into the future, and the conservatives will get their wish for a flat tax that's lower than it is now. Works for everyone. Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money. If gov't programs aren't supposed to make money, can we at least ask they don't LOSE so much? Simple. Just raise taxes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I listened to the last right/left/center podcast and A. Huffington was not happy with the big O because he was striking the same backroom deals with big RX everyone else always has. To believe this admin is 'different' then the last in terms of goodness is a mistake. A lot of the same people who were in positions of power at the SEC when Madoff was doing his deeds are still there, in higher positions. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, and thank goodness that our current administration has had the audacity to be willing to stir the pot on a stew that has needed stirring for a long, long time. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
You can ask, it's not going to happen. Eudora is a dinosaur at this point. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora It's my understanding that the new Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora interface very much. I would love an updated version that fixes bugs and adds useful features, without breaking all of the settings I already have, including general settings, address book with group addresses, filters, etc. I have a large array of mailboxes (pigeonholes) and filters to automatically direct incoming messages to the appropriate mailbox. Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 9/6/2009, Marcio wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten off was a person who opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who did the biting was a supporter of Obama's health care reform. ... who was defending himself against an attack from a healthcare opponent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Twitter vulnerable - unless you're using IE8
I apologize in advance for the computer-related post. Security researcher Brian Mastenbrook uncovered a cross-site scripting vulnerability in Ruby on Rails and quickly had injected Javascript code running in Twitter. One surprise I discovered during the process was that IE8 includes a Cross Site Scripting filter which effectively blocked this attack. I'm very impressed with the effort that Microsoft's taken to mitigate one of the most common web application security issues. Every other browser vendor needs to add this functionality _yesterday_. http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/09/ruby-on-rails-vulnerability-affects-twitter-ie8-immune.ars http://brian.mastenbrook.net/display/36 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
And you will get the same sort of treatment from a government-run program, only worse, and you won't be able to sue the government. Fred Holmes At 02:30 AM 9/7/2009, Marcio wrote: More refusals, more profits. This is the perversity of the system. You can imagine how many time I spendarguing with e dirrector of Managed Care Company who refused to pay for the hospitalization of a suicidal patient, telling me that it up to me to hospitalized the patient because they did not make this medical judgement but... according to their procedures they would not pay for the hospitalization... Many, many times... Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
At 06:40 AM 9/7/2009, Chris Dunford wrote: who was defending himself against an attack from a healthcare opponent. But liberals proclaim that you should never defend yourself against an attacker. You should run away and call the police. Why did this individual not follow the liberal doctrine? When _you_ are being attacked, you all of a sudden become a conservative, don't you? Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! Fred Holmes At 02:37 AM 9/7/2009, mike wrote: I listened to the last right/left/center podcast and A. Huffington was not happy with the big O because he was striking the same backroom deals with big RX everyone else always has. To believe this admin is 'different' then the last in terms of goodness is a mistake. A lot of the same people who were in positions of power at the SEC when Madoff was doing his deeds are still there, in higher positions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora You can ask, it's not going to happen. Eudora is a dinosaur at this point. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora It's my understanding that the new Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora interface very much. I would love an updated version that fixes bugs and adds useful features, without breaking all of the settings I already have, including general settings, address book with group addresses, filters, etc. I have a large array of mailboxes (pigeonholes) and filters to automatically direct incoming messages to the appropriate mailbox. Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 9/6/2009, Marcio wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Not so.. in the political process you have a vote and your representatives. -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 9:30 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... And you will get the same sort of treatment from a government-run program, only worse, and you won't be able to sue the government. Fred Holmes At 02:30 AM 9/7/2009, Marcio wrote: More refusals, more profits. This is the perversity of the system. You can imagine how many time I spendarguing with e dirrector of Managed Care Company who refused to pay for the hospitalization of a suicidal patient, telling me that it up to me to hospitalized the patient because they did not make this medical judgement but... according to their procedures they would not pay for the hospitalization... Many, many times... Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Here is an exemple that I am for the market...UP TO A POINT... Sometimes the government has to intervene, as it is doing now, when drug industry is buying doctors to prescribe what they want to the detriment of people. Also, when the disease is not so prevalent that developping drugs for it can not become profitable... You know keep in mind the common good. That is why government is necessary and sometimes also socialized programs. Chile, under the influence of the Chicago School, under Pinochet a dictator supported by the USA, privatized its Social Security. It has been a disaster... I am glad that the USA did not do it under Bush, this puppet of big business. Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 9:33 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! Fred Holmes At 02:37 AM 9/7/2009, mike wrote: I listened to the last right/left/center podcast and A. Huffington was not happy with the big O because he was striking the same backroom deals with big RX everyone else always has. To believe this admin is 'different' then the last in terms of goodness is a mistake. A lot of the same people who were in positions of power at the SEC when Madoff was doing his deeds are still there, in higher positions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Ok, and you have a problem with this why? I think I've already explained this very clearly. Do you really hate the poor that much? Oh yes. They're easily overcooked and can get very chewy if you don't watch them carefully. I was mostly talking about the option everyone seems to be against. I know I hate it when I'm given options, don't you? I just love it when people volunteer me for something! Don't you? As for paying for others health care, I really don't mind. We all end up paying for others sooner or later. That's great, such a humanitarian you are. I'll let you know if I need you to make any other decisions for me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
At 10:26 AM -0300 9/7/09, Marcio wrote: Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? I'm sticking with Eudora 6. It still works. But if you need a new program, Mailforge is supposed to be re-built from the ground up to be a Eudora-like modern email application. I can not vouch for this myself since I have never used it. http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/mailforge/index.html - John -- * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Not so.. in the political process you have a vote and your representatives. In a market process, I have much, much more than that. I have hundreds of development companies to choose from for a home in my area and no less than 8 different grocery stores chains/companies, who all want my business. They all compete with one another on price, quality, value and a pleasant shopping experience, to one degree or another. I can choose to use, or not to use, any of them. My representatives only compete for my vote every 2 years, maximum. The incumbency reelection rate in this country averages around 96%, meaning that 96% of the incumbents are reelected every time they run. Even then, I can't recall the last time the person I voted for, won. I'm stuck with the winner for better or worse, usually worse. You call that competition? Do you honestly think they care what I think? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twitter vulnerable - unless you're using IE8
But, how does it fare under the single payer attack? Have the other browsers mitigated the bitten finger exploit? -Original Message- I apologize in advance for the computer-related post. Security researcher Brian Mastenbrook uncovered a cross-site scripting vulnerability in Ruby on Rails and quickly had injected Javascript code running in Twitter. One surprise I discovered during the process was that IE8 includes a Cross Site Scripting filter which effectively blocked this attack. I'm very impressed with the effort that Microsoft's taken to mitigate one of the most common web application security issues. Every other browser vendor needs to add this functionality _yesterday_. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
who was defending himself against an attack from a healthcare opponent. But liberals proclaim that you should never defend yourself against an attacker. You should run away and call the police. Why did this individual not follow the liberal doctrine? When _you_ are being attacked, you all of a sudden become a conservative, don't you? WTF? I simply pointed out that your implication that the pro-healthcare guy was responsible for this appears to be wrong. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: The news report that I read said that the man whose little finger was bitten off was a person who opposed health care reform, so presumably the man who did the biting was a supporter of Obama's health care reform. Apparently so. He did not bite off the other fellow's finger. He bit the tip of the pinky off in a tussle that followed his being assaulted and punched in the face by the anti-reform individual. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc. Stewart At 11:52 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote: The Lasik and laser eye surgery market is very competitive and you know the prices going in. They advertise heavily and compete with one another. Word of mouth referrals carry a great deal of weight. I personally know several people who have had these procedures done and all were very happy with the price and the results. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Password Hackers Article
FYI: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/06/AR2009090602238.html Password Hackers Are Slippery To Collar By Tom Jackman Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, September 7, 2009 When Elaine Cioni found out that her married boyfriend had other girlfriends, she became obsessed, federal prosecutors say. So she turned to YourHackerz.com. And for only $100, YourHackerz.com provided Cioni, then living in Northern Virginia, with the password to her boyfriend's AOL e-mail account, court records show. For another $100, she got her boyfriend's wife's e-mail password. And then the passwords of at least one other girlfriend and the boyfriend's two children. None had any clue what Cioni was doing, they would later testify. Cioni, however, went further and began making harassing phone calls to her boyfriend and his family, using a spoofing service to disguise her voice as a man's. This attracted the attention of federal authorities, who prosecuted Cioni, 53, in Alexandria last year for unauthorized access to computers, among other crimes. She was convicted and is serving a 15-month sentence. But such services as YourHackerz.com are still active and plentiful, with clever names like piratecrackers.com and hackmail.net. They boast of having little trouble hacking into such Web-based e-mail systems as AOL, Yahoo, Gmail, Facebook and Hotmail, and they advertise openly. And, experts said, there doesn't appear to be much anyone can do about it. This is an important point that people haven't grasped, said Peter Eckersley, a staff technologist for the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. We've been using e-mail for years, and it's been insecure all that time. . . . If you have any hacker who is competent and spends the time and targets you, he's going to get you. Federal law prohibits hacking into e-mail, but without further illegal activity, it's only a misdemeanor, noted Orin Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University and a former trial attorney in the Justice Department's computer crime section. The feds usually don't have the resources to investigate and prosecute misdemeanors, Kerr said. And part of the reason is that normally it's hard to know when an account has been compromised, because e-mail snooping doesn't leave a trace. Every state has laws roughly similar to the federal computer laws, Kerr said, and rate the offenses as misdemeanors. Not long after Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska was named the Republican nominee for vice president last year, someone hacked into her personal Yahoo e-mail accounts. And as the election neared, someone at George Mason University hacked into the e-mail of the school's provost and sent a schoolwide e-mail saying the election date had been changed. Web Based email password hacking or cracking is one of our all time favourite and unique hobby, write the folks at YourHackerz.com. It's not clear where YourHackerz.com is located, but experts suspect that most of the businesses are based overseas. We will provide you with the original Passwords. No questions asked whatsoever. Payment only after you are CONVINCED. 100% guarantee of Cracking. Total privacy of your information. No legal hassles. At SlickHackers.com, they boast, We are professionals interested in helping serious people for whom an email password would mean saving their marriage, knowing the truth, preventing a fraud, protecting their family/job/interests only when conventional ways and normal procedures do not work. All the services advertise that they will e-mail a screenshot of the target's in-box or even send an e-mail from the target's e-mail as proof that they've cracked the password. The customer then sends payment. One service, whose fee is only 20 British pounds (about $33), then responds with the script from a scene from a Shakespeare play, with the stolen password hidden in the copy. E-mail inquiries to several of these services did not elicit any responses. The FBI cannot police the Internet, a spokesman said. The FBI is aware of these illegal services, spokesman Paul Bresson said, and we have been successful in the past in identifying criminal activity and working with prosecutors to bring indictments. Users of these services should know that just because a product is marketed on the Internet doesn't mean it's legal. But agents must be made aware of specific illegal acts occurring in this country before they can pursue a provider, Bresson said. They can't investigate an online service without evidence of a particular crime in the United States. This kind of thing has been on the radar of law enforcement already, said Alissa Cooper of the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington. But with many of the hackers overseas, in practice it takes a lot of resources and time to build up relationships with [law enforcement] in other countries. They're starting to do that in the cybersecurity realm. Experts said there are numerous ways to steal someone's
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: But liberals proclaim that you should never defend yourself against an attacker. You should run away and call the police. Why did this individual not follow the liberal doctrine? Where do you get this stuff? Off the internet? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/health/04cuba.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=all phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Steve at Verizonstevet...@verizon.net wrote: Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT. For the money, primarily. Also, for a higher overall standard of living or because they do not support the government there or they have relatives inthe U.S. Cuba has some of the best baseball teams and players as well, but just because they are some of the best does not mean that they will not try to leave for the United States where they can make a lot of money and live far higher on the hog, so to speak. Please do not attempt to make the case that because some Cuban doctors want to leave that island that it somehow implies that the Cuban medical system is some giant dysfunctional mess and a failure. Wealthy Americans routinely seek to move their assets offshore, out of the country, but that does not mean that the financial system of the United States is some abysmal failure. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Better care, pay less: Some communities find a way
Personal Message: Speaks to what we have been discussing. Both the problem and a solution. = A news article has been sent to you by: popoz...@earthlink.net courtesy of myEarthLink News Better care, pay less: Some communities find a way http://my.earthlink.net/article/pol?guid=20090907/4aa49350_3421_13345200909071094907158 = myEarthLink News http://my.earthlink.net/channel/NEWS * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Although it would be nice to cite a reference for the world's health statistics, I suspect that if Cuba looks good in any such listing, it is due to the Mussolini made the trains run on time principle. Cuban physicians and other health workers do as they are told. I doubt anyone in authority there is telling them to report anything that would jeopardize Cuba's high ranking in these statistics. Please don't misconstrue what I have just said as a defense of the U.S. system. It has its virtues, but compared to some others, it ranks poorly overall by most measures. Nevertheless, I think the discourse is best served when limited to countries with at least a smidgen of political freedom. Compared to Cuba, apartheid-era South Africa was a beacon of democracy. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.netwrote: Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/health/04cuba.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=all phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Better is relative. I switched from eudora years ago to thunderbird and now all my mail is thru gmail. Sent from my iPod On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora You can ask, it's not going to happen. Eudora is a dinosaur at this point. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora It's my understanding that the new Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora interface very much. I would love an updated version that fixes bugs and adds useful features, without breaking all of the settings I already have, including general settings, address book with group addresses, filters, etc. I have a large array of mailboxes (pigeonholes) and filters to automatically direct incoming messages to the appropriate mailbox. Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 9/6/2009, Marcio wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** *** *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** *** *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Same with Canadian doctors. When ever I have talked with Canadian Doctors coming down here to practice it is not because the system is bad it is because they want to make more money and live on par with their American colleagues. (I am not sure if anyone has ever done a survey to see what the average income is from a doctor) But when I lived in WI the starting wage for a PA was over $120,000 - The Clinic in the big town established $200,000 as a starting wage for new Doctors coming into it. Yes I know they have student loans to pay off but so does anyone else who does grad school (Which med school is the equivalent of.) I had to do 4 years of grad school and my starting wage was $12,000 Stewart At 11:43 AM 9/7/2009, you wrote: For the money, primarily. Also, for a higher overall standard of living or because they do not support the government there or they have relatives inthe U.S. Cuba has some of the best baseball teams and players as well, but just because they are some of the best does not mean that they will not try to leave for the United States where they can make a lot of money and live far higher on the hog, so to speak. Please do not attempt to make the case that because some Cuban doctors want to leave that island that it somehow implies that the Cuban medical system is some giant dysfunctional mess and a failure. Wealthy Americans routinely seek to move their assets offshore, out of the country, but that does not mean that the financial system of the United States is some abysmal failure. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My point is that for Cubans, they pay a very high price for their free medical care, and that is a totalitarian government, human rights abuse, no free press, jails full of political prisoners, required listening to 5 hour speeches by Fidel (before his illness). And even their mass production of doctors is not purely a humanitarian gesture; they are used as an export commodity. Witness the 100s of doctors sent to Venezuela in exchange for her oil. We are in agreement that many of the most talented, be they pitchers or doctors or architects (my sister's galfriend's ex-Cuban husband) prefer to be compensated accordingly. Thank god that there are some altruistic physicians (worldwide, not just Cuba), who forgo high salaries for religious or political reasons to support their communities, as they are needed there, but this should be a choice of the individual not the state. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Steve at Verizonstevet...@verizon.net wrote: Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT. For the money, primarily. Also, for a higher overall standard of living or because they do not support the government there or they have relatives inthe U.S. Cuba has some of the best baseball teams and players as well, but just because they are some of the best does not mean that they will not try to leave for the United States where they can make a lot of money and live far higher on the hog, so to speak. Please do not attempt to make the case that because some Cuban doctors want to leave that island that it somehow implies that the Cuban medical system is some giant dysfunctional mess and a failure. Wealthy Americans routinely seek to move their assets offshore, out of the country, but that does not mean that the financial system of the United States is some abysmal failure. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Jeff Wright OK on the Mackey thing. Yes I did read it, and he has some great things to say, HOWEVER. You must have government mandate minimums. If they do not many companies will try and fly through with a bunch of worthless insurance. snip Rev, now you miss his point. If you allow companies to compete over state lines, removing their captive audience, you won't *need* mandates. That's what competition is best at providing: choice. I'm behind on my email, but one problem is that anymore there are few actual insurance companies. The big ones keep buying the smaller ones to limit competition. It's also good at providing lower cost alternatives. H, it seems that they are good at dropping people who actually need to use their services. See examples of recision by the health insurance companies. If someone gets sick and starts costing them money hurting the profit potential of the company, the insurance company finds a way to ditch the person/company. snip What we need is more health plans like this right No, what we need are more companies to provide competitive pressure. Your company doesn't provide it? That's OK, these 6 others do. Let markets do what they do best: weed out the losers. Hmmm, update - 4 companies, the other two were bought out. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I parked my Hard Disk and now I can't find it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I am also losing faith in Obama... he is not standing up for what he believes. He is afraid of big business. I understand, he is not independently wealthy like JFK. Marcio Let's all get a handle on this Mario, et al. You and others are losing faith in President Obama. Why? Because he may not be able to do in 9 months what FDR took over 4 years to do. It's too soon for a postmortem before a bill has even been finished, no matter what creeps like Glenn Beck and Charles Krauthammer say. Give Obama time to herd the Congress toward a better bill. He's waiting. Patience. Affordable health insurance for all could happen, maybe incrementally, although Medicare for all is best for the US, on a voluntary basis. We won't get single payer because the people spreading the lies about it [drug companies, insurance companies] are too successful in confusing people and have too much money to spread their propaganda. Corporate propaganda must be successful considering the people who want the government to keep hands off Medicare, not realizing it's a successful government program. It's the same kind of clueless people who go to Tea Party protests, not knowing that the original Boston Tea Party was the result of taxes being TOO LOW. We are the government. We shouldn't be afraid, just because some corporations want us to fear. Fear the corporate databases, not the government. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah by the top ones who do this kind of nonsense. Part of the problem is that our own companies who contract with these providers do not stand up to them and tell them provide better service to OUR customers. The other half is that these big companies tell them back down or we will raise your rates yet again. I am constantly berated by my own provider for Lifestyle diseases that I suffer from, like High Blood pressure, (My wife) Type 2 diabetes, IBS etc. Like I really wanted us to have these diseases Stewart At 12:32 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: No, what we need are more companies to provide competitive pressure. Your company doesn't provide it? That's OK, these 6 others do. Let markets do what they do best: weed out the losers. Hmmm, update - 4 companies, the other two were bought out. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/paste. More misinformation. The single payer plan Obama supported was for Illinios, not nationwide--had nothing directly to do with current propose legislation other than it's something he likes, not a plan he's pushing federally. The disinformation is too effective in getting too many uninformed people to think they want the [corporate] worst plan instead of favoring one that will work best for them. Get OS v.3.0 for your iPod, then copy/paste as much as you want. It's only 10 bux. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Most people do not understand what a single payer system is really. It is still insurance but one insurance for everyone. It is a basic insurance that covers each person. You buy it from the provider. Everyone pays the same rate, no matter what. If you fall below income guidelines (like we have now for medicaid etc.) you pay a lower premium or you are covered by the government. (Like we do now) Doctors still get paid like they do now, but they negotiate with one entity and have one set rate, not a multitude. Want more coverage you go to an outside company and buy a supplemental policy. The biggest difference is that no one ever looses their insurance due to illness, job change or job loss, or catastrophic event in their life. You change companies you still have the same policy, you move cross country you still have the same policy. No huge amount of paperwork, no waiting periods no pre existing condition clause. HOWEVER it is still insurance, and you still pay for it and the doctor still has to preform real work to get paid. OH the real benefit? Companies know that no matter how big or small they are they can off to pay the insurance premium for their worker if they so choose. Or they can help buy a supplemental also. But there is never a question of can they or can't they. It is available to everyone no matter what. (No more ratings, no more single versus family etc.) Stewart At 12:53 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: More misinformation. The single payer plan Obama supported was for Illinios, not nationwide--had nothing directly to do with current propose legislation other than it's something he likes, not a plan he's pushing federally. The disinformation is too effective in getting too many uninformed people to think they want the [corporate] worst plan instead of favoring one that will work best for them. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Only your misunformation on this one. I doubt when he mentions single payer federal system he is talking about just Illinois. I dont get why the lefties dont want to admit this is the goal, what are they afraid of? It's very difficult to have any real discourse when facts are so easily shoved aside. All you have to do is listen to Obama and others who represent him. Admitting this is the goal would mean we could have an honest conversation about the merits or lack of with this kind of system. We are entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Sent from my iPod On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:53 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/ paste. More misinformation. The single payer plan Obama supported was for Illinios, not nationwide--had nothing directly to do with current propose legislation other than it's something he likes, not a plan he's pushing federally. The disinformation is too effective in getting too many uninformed people to think they want the [corporate] worst plan instead of favoring one that will work best for them. Get OS v.3.0 for your iPod, then copy/paste as much as you want. It's only 10 bux. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc. Yes, I understand that. It's one of the better analogs for demonstrating that the medical industry can deliver quality care with cost awareness. Why wouldn't it work for cardiac stents, hernias, tonsils, etc? It wouldn't work very well for time-sensitive/emergency care or for critical care situations such as cancer treatment, but there is a world of medicine where price can and should matter. We can reform health care the smart way, as proposed by Mackey and illustrated in the article you linked with truly innovative ideas, or the dumb way, with price controls, massive budget deficits and a very high probability of rationing with nowhere else to turn. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. Sounds like paradise. Why aren't you living there? I'm sure the Cuban guvmint has no reason to lie to or distort the truth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We are the government. We shouldn't be afraid, just because some corporations want us to fear. Fear the corporate databases, not the government. Thanks for the larf, Betty. Good one! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I hate to throw cold water on all this fun, but wasting time talking about all this fear and straw men is just what the right wing wants you to do. That little video posted a while back is enough for any rational person to get the picture. http://brightcove.newscientist.com/services/player/bcpid2227271001?bctid=30583310001 The public is overwhelmingly for single payer. If congress does anything but work toward putting together a strong single payer plan then they've let the wingers win. It's fear vs. facts. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vark
Jeff it is easy to forget that to set your default browser in OS X, you have to do that in Safari not the system preferences. Steve Jeff Miles wrote: I was being serious, but when I asked and after trying I had only been awake for about an hour. I had a brain cloud. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Jordan wrote: Jeff Miles wrote: I've found this list to be pretty quick at answering questions. Here, I'll test it. How do I get Safari to open when I click on a link in Mail? I've got it set to Firefox now, but want to change back to Safari. I used to know this, but this morning I couldn't find the preference to switch. You're not serious are you!? In Safari 4 it's the top thing in Preferences/General * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I'm behind on my email, but one problem is that anymore there are few actual insurance companies. The big ones keep buying the smaller ones to limit competition. Compare a list of airline companies from 1980, shortly after the airlines were deregulated, and compare that list to today. I think you'll see a significant difference in the list, not to mention the cost to the consumer to fly. I don't know why people think that insurance companies, when they aren't being propped up by the states with laws that limit their competition, don't have to obey the laws of supply and demand. I have to say, I'm really stumped by this attitude. H, it seems that they are good at dropping people who actually need to use their services. See examples of recision by the health insurance companies. If someone gets sick and starts costing them money hurting the profit potential of the company, the insurance company finds a way to ditch the person/company. See above. You and the Rev really need to get your heads around the status quo. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 Installation]
On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 23:02 -0400, Vicky Staubly wrote: On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Rob wrote: I posted this on an Ubuntu Linux list I subscribe to earlier today but I've not yet gotten any useful responses. So, I thought I post it here on the chance someone may be able to help. Here's hoping... [...] [snipped] Alrighty folks...here is the latest in my continuing attempts to get Ubuntu 9.04 installed on my computer. I went ahead and sprung for $15 for an Ubuntu magazine in Barnes and Noble that had the 9.04 disk included. This morning it appears to have installed successfully on my external drive (a 500 gig Seagate) and it also appears that Grub was successfully installed on HD0 since when I rebooted, Grub appears showing the options of operating systems to boot. When I choose to boot Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Splash Screen appears and I get the following: Boot from (hd2,0) ext 3 eb309597-f711-458-b3b7-0a281dae6281 Starting up... [ 1.964023] ata1: softreset failed (device not ready) [ 2.628016] ata2: softreset failed (device not ready) [ 3.292017] ata3: softreset failed (device not ready) [ 3.988017] ata4: softreset failed (device not ready) modprobe: FATAL could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory Loading, please wait... Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems: - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline) - check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?) - check root= (did the system wait for the right device?) - Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls/dev ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/eb309597-f711-458f-b367-0a281dae6281 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! BusyBox v1.10.2 (Ubuntu1:1.10.2-2ubuntu7)built-in shell (ash) Enter help for a list of built-in commands. [initramfs] When I use the Super Grub CD to boot it sees Ubuntu 9.04 Kernel 2.6.28.11-generic as a boot option but selecting it yields: Error 15: File not found press any key to continue If anyone has a clue as to what could be going on here, I'd be greatful for any assistance. Regards, Rob Rockville * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vark
Well, not to feel completely useless, I added sex as an interest. And I got sent a question by a woman in California this morning. But so far I'm batting 100 as I couldn't answer this one either! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Dueling links? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose The title says it. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to throw cold water on all this fun, but wasting time talking about all this fear and straw men is just what the right wing wants you to do. That little video posted a while back is enough for any rational person to get the picture. http://brightcove.newscientist.com/services/player/bcpid2227271001?bctid=30583310001 The public is overwhelmingly for single payer. If congress does anything but work toward putting together a strong single payer plan then they've let the wingers win. It's fear vs. facts. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
This is interesting. I am not pro-Cuba and I dislike Fidel as a ditactoir. I agree that Cuba is doing very poorly, partially because of the US embargo. But I beleive that socialism as in Cuba will never work. As I said before I believe in a combination of capitalism with socialized programs. But I will have to agree that Cuba has a better health care and school system that Brazil and the USA. No doubt. Health care and schools must be socialized in order to work. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:50 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. Sounds like paradise. Why aren't you living there? I'm sure the Cuban guvmint has no reason to lie to or distort the truth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Whjy are you afraid of a choice between the private insurers and a government program? I said: choice. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:49 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc. Yes, I understand that. It's one of the better analogs for demonstrating that the medical industry can deliver quality care with cost awareness. Why wouldn't it work for cardiac stents, hernias, tonsils, etc? It wouldn't work very well for time-sensitive/emergency care or for critical care situations such as cancer treatment, but there is a world of medicine where price can and should matter. We can reform health care the smart way, as proposed by Mackey and illustrated in the article you linked with truly innovative ideas, or the dumb way, with price controls, massive budget deficits and a very high probability of rationing with nowhere else to turn. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
For me, the Single Payer is the goal. And we will get there. There is no place for profit by denying care in any health care system. Did you notice any Country in this world copying the USA system?... Marcio -Original Message- From: Mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:29 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Only your misunformation on this one. I doubt when he mentions single payer federal system he is talking about just Illinois. I dont get why the lefties dont want to admit this is the goal, what are they afraid of? It's very difficult to have any real discourse when facts are so easily shoved aside. All you have to do is listen to Obama and others who represent him. Admitting this is the goal would mean we could have an honest conversation about the merits or lack of with this kind of system. We are entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Sent from my iPod On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:53 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/ paste. More misinformation. The single payer plan Obama supported was for Illinios, not nationwide--had nothing directly to do with current propose legislation other than it's something he likes, not a plan he's pushing federally. The disinformation is too effective in getting too many uninformed people to think they want the [corporate] worst plan instead of favoring one that will work best for them. Get OS v.3.0 for your iPod, then copy/paste as much as you want. It's only 10 bux. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Betty is right, of course. Anyone that has its reality test intact will agree with her... But if the reality test is disabled by ideology or other interests they will not see it. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:55 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... We are the government. We shouldn't be afraid, just because some corporations want us to fear. Fear the corporate databases, not the government. Thanks for the larf, Betty. Good one! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
AGREE! Marcio -Original Message- From: Jordan jor17...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 4:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... I hate to throw cold water on all this fun, but wasting time talking about all this fear and straw men is just what the right wing wants you to do. That little video posted a while back is enough for any rational person to get the picture. http://brightcove.newscientist.com/services/player/bcpid2227271001?bctid=30583310001 The public is overwhelmingly for single payer. If congress does anything but work toward putting together a strong single payer plan then they've let the wingers win. It's fear vs. facts. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. Cuba is one poor as hell nation, and the Cuban health care system is government run, yet is at the top of the A list worldwide. Socialist? Yes. Works extremely well overall? Yes. Far lower child death rate than here in the United States? By far. All citizens get health care? Absolutely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? Marcio -Original Message- From: Mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 2:04 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora Better is relative. I switched from eudora years ago to thunderbird and now all my mail is thru gmail. Sent from my iPod On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora You can ask, it's not going to happen. Eudora is a dinosaur at this point. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Can we arite Moxilla and ask them to do just this? Keep Eudora? Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora It's my understanding that the new Eudora is not Eudora at all, but a completely independent program that has either purchased or been given the Eudora name. For that reason, I haven't tried it. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has. I happen to like the Qualcomm Eudora interface very much. I would love an updated version that fixes bugs and adds useful features, without breaking all of the settings I already have, including general settings, address book with group addresses, filters, etc. I have a large array of mailboxes (pigeonholes) and filters to automatically direct incoming messages to the appropriate mailbox. Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 9/6/2009, Marcio wrote: I am still using the last upgrade of Eudora. Anyone with me? I went to Mozilla and they naw have a Beta Eudora... Should I try? Regards to all Marcio *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** *** *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** *** *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Yes, Reverend... something like this. Look my old, very old web page: http://pw2.netcom.com/^mvp1/soloproviders1.htm I made it when I as working as MD under Managed Care in the USA. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:08 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Most people do not understand what a single payer system is really. It is still insurance but one insurance for everyone. It is a basic insurance that covers each person. You buy it from the provider. Everyone pays the same rate, no matter what. If you fall below income guidelines (like we have now for medicaid etc.) you pay a lower premium or you are covered by the government. (Like we do now) Doctors still get paid like they do now, but they negotiate with one entity and have one set rate, not a multitude. Want more coverage you go to an outside company and buy a supplemental policy. The biggest difference is that no one ever looses their insurance due to illness, job change or job loss, or catastrophic event in their life. You change companies you still have the same policy, you move cross country you still have the same policy. No huge amount of paperwork, no waiting periods no pre existing condition clause. HOWEVER it is still insurance, and you still pay for it and the doctor still has to preform real work to get paid. OH the real benefit? Companies know that no matter how big or small they are they can off to pay the insurance premium for their worker if they so choose. Or they can help buy a supplemental also. But there is never a question of can they or can't they. It is available to everyone no matter what. (No more ratings, no more single versus family etc.) Stewart At 12:53 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: More misinformation. The single payer plan Obama supported was for Illinios, not nationwide--had nothing directly to do with current propose legislation other than it's something he likes, not a plan he's pushing federally. The disinformation is too effective in getting too many uninformed people to think they want the [corporate] worst plan instead of favoring one that will work best for them. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Thank you. I am using Eudora 7 and you can still download it from www.eudora.com. But I will look at this. Marcio -Original Message- From: John A. Newitt newit...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 10:53 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora At 10:26 AM -0300 9/7/09, Marcio wrote: Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? I'm sticking with Eudora 6. It still works. But if you need a new program, Mailforge is supposed to be re-built from the ground up to be a Eudora-like modern email application. I can not vouch for this myself since I have never used it. http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/mailforge/index.html - John -- * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Sorry to say but health care indeed is better in Cuba. I admit that even when I am against Fidel and its dictatorshiop. Have you noticed that health care is socialized even in capitalist countries?...As far as I know the USA system is the worse in the world. Somehow the American people allowed the insurane companies take over and of course, less care, more profits... Marcio -Original Message- From: John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 1:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Although it would be nice to cite a reference for the world's health statistics, I suspect that if Cuba looks good in any such listing, it is due to the Mussolini made the trains run on time principle. Cuban physicians and other health workers do as they are told. I doubt anyone in authority there is telling them to report anything that would jeopardize Cuba's high ranking in these statistics. Please don't misconstrue what I have just said as a defense of the U.S. system. It has its virtues, but compared to some others, it ranks poorly overall by most measures. Nevertheless, I think the discourse is best served when limited to countries with at least a smidgen of political freedom. Compared to Cuba, apartheid-era South Africa was a beacon of democracy. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.netwrote: Then why are Cuban doctors fleeing to the US? See this article from the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/health/04cuba.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=all phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: If you drive the drug companies out of business, then the government will have to manufacture current drugs and develop new ones. Will they do a better job of it? Unlikely! For what it is worth, Cuba has one of the best, if not the overall best health care system in the world. Check out the world's health statistics and see for yourself. Marcio can speak to this issue I am sure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Hauppauge and Win 7 - no audio
Yesterday I decided to try and get my Hauppauge Win TV USB 2 working with my notebook running Win 7 RC. Drivers run fine and WinTV 2000 run as well and the video appears just fine. However I can't get the audio to play. I've got RCA cables going into a stereo mini-jack into the line in in the device; this arrangement had worked in the past. Under recording devices I've got Line / USB Audio Device set as default. Is there anything else I can look at or should I just use WinXP for this? tia... - Joe * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
And the ones who will choose choice will be the employers, dumping their health care, and then you, the employee, will have only one choice, the public option. That is what is happening in Massachusetts; the employers would rather pay the penalty for not providing health insurance. And, as I pointed out earlier, the more folks are government insured, the surge in baby boom Medicare, as well as a large public option, the less provider reimbursement will come from private insurers which compensate for the losses from government reimbursement. And, of course, private insurers can't compete with a government run public plan. A private business cannot operate at a loss, the way a government subsidized entity can (like the USPS and Amtrak). Marcio wrote: Whjy are you afraid of a choice between the private insurers and a government program? I said: choice. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 3:49 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... This is one subspecialty that is also elective surgery. Now say the same thing about cardiac stints, hernia surgery etc. Yes, I understand that. It's one of the better analogs for demonstrating that the medical industry can deliver quality care with cost awareness. Why wouldn't it work for cardiac stents, hernias, tonsils, etc? It wouldn't work very well for time-sensitive/emergency care or for critical care situations such as cancer treatment, but there is a world of medicine where price can and should matter. We can reform health care the smart way, as proposed by Mackey and illustrated in the article you linked with truly innovative ideas, or the dumb way, with price controls, massive budget deficits and a very high probability of rationing with nowhere else to turn. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I think you misunderstood me. I'm for the health option. I'm also for paying for others health care when needed. Jeff Wright seems to be all for competition in the market place, but against the government as competition. Makes no sense to me. But whatever. We, the people, are the government. Don't we count when it comes to competition? They've talked about co-op. I think we, as the government is one hell of a co- op. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:16 PM, Marcio wrote: You sound like healthy is a permanent state Jeff. O=Please consider that all of us, regardless of how narcisit we are, will lose our health sooner or later, sometimes sooner. So we can´t exclue ourselves to being among the unhealthy. The same for being poor. Anyone is above the possibility? Ithink it is funny when people talked about poor and unhealthy as being the other... Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Sent: Sep 7, 2009 2:01 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Ok, and you have a problem with this why? Do you really hate the poor that much? I was mostly talking about the option everyone seems to be against. I know I hate it when I'm given options, don't you? As for paying for others health care, I really don't mind. We all end up paying for others sooner or later. If you keep them healthy, and get health costs under control, it'll more then likely be later then sooner. In other words, keep them working. Or at least able to work. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be required of everyone. Jeff, that IS the single defining component of single payer. NO ONE else is paying other than the guvmint, which is kinda the point of *single* payer. Here, let me google that for you. Single-payer health care insurance is a public service financing the delivery of near-universal or universal health care to a given population as defined by age, citizenship, residency, or any other demographic. Single-payer health insurance operates by arranging the payment of services to doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers from a single source established and managed by government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care First hit, for 'single payer.' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Mike Only your misunformation on this one. I doubt when he mentions single payer federal system he is talking about just Illinois. I dont get why the lefties dont want to admit this is the goal, what are they afraid of? It's very difficult to have any real discourse when facts are so easily shoved aside. All you have to do is listen to Obama and others who represent him. Admitting this is the goal would mean we could have an honest conversation about the merits or lack of with this kind of system. We are entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. What goal? I personally would prefer a single payer, government/non-profit organization based health insurance. Why? Commercial insurance typically has share holders and share holders want profits. Profits are insurance premiums minus insurance disbursements, if a person becomes a patient that will cost the insurance company money, the insurance company will find a way to delay any procedure. Refer to the high school girl in Arizona(?) that needed a liver transplant, the insurance company said the procedure was experimental and declined the procedure. The case attracted attention, eventually the insurance company okayed the surgery, unfortunately the girl died a couple of hours (?days?) after the okay. I'm sure the insurance company was glad they saved the money. Bill Moyers had a show about the topic with a person who was a whistle blower, look up Wendell Potter. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly We all live in a yellow subroutine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Do you have a link from a group that doesn't skew conservative? New Scientist is considerably more unbiased than party hacks like Rasmussen. Dueling links? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose The title says it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 Installation]
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com wrote: When I choose to boot Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Splash Screen appears and I get the following: Boot from (hd2,0) ext 3 eb309597-f711-458-b3b7-0a281dae6281 How many hard drives do you have in the system? (hd2,0) means the first partition on drive 3 (hd0 is first hard drive, hd1 is second). When it is booting, you can use the arrows to select one, then press 'e' to edit. I would try changing (hd2,0) to (hd1,0) or (hd3,0) and see if that works. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500ref=mf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Did you notice any Country in this world copying the USA system?... Marcio Oh, that's not going to work, Marcio. Any suggestion, any hint, that the US might not be the best in the world at ANYTHING gets the right wing's nose out of joint. Try that on Fox Nation and all you'll get is a chorus of YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE? LEAVE! They are not fond of any kind of criticism of the US. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
At 05:58 PM 9/7/2009 -0300, Marcio wrote Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? No. It's web mail. But you can POP your Gmail into Eudora or any other stand-alone mail program. I just ordered a new machine to be built. They are putting Eudora 7.1.0.9 on it for me (I'm providing them with the download), as I know some have had trouble loading Eudora onto Vista. This isn't Vista, but will be similar. They're putting the pre-release of Win7 on for me and then updating after the release comes out. I really didn't want to do this yet, but my desktop machine bit the dust last week. :( Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
And this says roads are a given, how? Talk about reading stuff into things. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Roads are a given? And they're constitutionally provided? Where? Please post that part of the constitution for me. Oh fer cryin...You DO know how to use a search engine, right? 5th Amendment, takings clause, US Constitution. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; **nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Sorry to say, but you sound like the guy who sits on his porch and yells at the kids for being on his lawn. I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing the mail carriers aren't allowed to actually put something in your home. So using the mail slot probably isn't a legal option for them. I do know for sure that only the USPS is allowed to use your mail box. This is why you get things from pizza companies and others hanging on your door knob. As for the signing for things. Would you be complaining if they left something important that was then stolen by some sleaze bag? You always have the option of not picking up the package or letter that need a signature. And when it comes to the postal employee pay, I don't think they get paid enough. The employees at all the postal stations in my area are some of the friendliest people I've met. I know I couldn't do their job and remain that friendly. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Regularly, I get other people's mail delivered to my home. On some occasions, it has been outgoing mail that the mail carrier has picked up at someone else's home. The mail may arrive at any time from 10:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., which says that they don't have a standard, routine manner in which the deliver the mail. I took down the mailbox on the front of my house and installed a mail slot in my front door, but the letter carriers often won't use it. The just leave the mail inside the storm door, which then stays partially propped open and thereby doesn't perform its intended purpose. When I'm not home to sign for a receipted item of mail, there is no clue on the postcard announcement that is left at my home as to who the sender is or what sort of article it is, so there is no way to prioritize my visit to the Post Office. And with post office hours now reduced to 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., working folks have to take additional time off from work to stop at the post o! ffice to pick up receipted mail. But the letter carriers have an extremely good pay and benefits package. Fred Holmes At 03:04 AM 9/6/2009, Jeff Miles wrote: True, the post office certainly has on many occasions. Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a daily basis? I have yet to find a privet company that has worked as efficiently and consistently. And, being governmentally run, the post office's goal isn't to make a profit. No government program is run to make a profit. People bitch when the programs loose money, and they'd bitch about prices and taxes if the programs were making money. It's a no win situation. I have yet, in my 47 years, realized something getting lossed by the USPS. On occasion it's taken a day or more to get here or there. But at the cost, I really can't complain. And with the millions of letters and packages they deal with each day, Fed-Ex and UPS seem to be doing just fine. In fact new people are coming on board. What's the new one? Some Yellow truck, 3 letters, can't remember the name. Socialized mail can't be that bad for business. Maybe that was President Obama's hidden agenda in asking kids to write a letter. It was to themselves, but maybe he'd had hopes they'd actually mail them and boost the profits of the USPS? Or maybe he'd had the market flooded and hoped they'd all lick some tainted stamps? The conspiracy theories flourish. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM, scubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: At 05:58 PM 9/7/2009 -0300, Marcio wrote Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? No. It's web mail. But you can POP your Gmail into Eudora or any other stand-alone mail program. You can use Gmail the same as any other pop based mail, imap based mail or as web based mail. I would switch to Gmail and try it on your current Eudora. I have been using Gmail for over five years and I use it all three ways depending on where I am and which account I am using. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? No. GMail is an email provider with both online webmail and POP/IMAP service for an email client of your choice on your computer[s]. The webmail interface is too limited for my use [i.e., how do I sort the messages by something other than date?] , but others like it a lot. It's nothing like Eudora. If the old Eudora still works, you can use it--says it requires XP/2000. Otherwise, join the wiki for Penelope project [is it still 'alive'?] at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope, and voice your concerns there. I like Thunderbird email client and Yahoo! email online, original version, Spain or Canada. Mine is in Spanish, yours can be in Brazilian Portuguese, http://br.yahoo.com/. Has anyone tried MailForge/Odysseus? Does the Penelope/Eudora add-on for Thunderbird break it? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Intensive care unit
For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have open heart surgery instead of having it done by a specialist here? You answered no...I'm certain...which means then, that health care is NOT better in Cuba. You are free to move to Cuba, collect your $3 a month wage and enjoy that health care. Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of difference between the two. Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it will ruin medicine in the United States. You can do some things to fix the cost...without changing the entire system. 85% of the population is perfectly happy with their health care. So you want to wreck what the 85% enjoy so that the 15% get free health care coverage? That's like having 85% of a restaraunt's clientele perfectly happy with the food at a given restaurant...but in order to please the other 15%, we bulldoze the building. Makes just as much sense as bulldozing the current system to satisfy the few, and to satisfy the socialists (Obama, Reid, Pelosi) who want more and more government control over every facet of our lives. Expand medicare to cover those who legitimately cannot afford health care. I'm not talking about those who whine that they can't afford insurance but have two cars, a house they can't afford, cell phones, top tier cable tv and other luxuries. How about if we actually let the free market work for insurance like it does almost every other industry. There are only so many companies I am allowed to buy insurance from. Those are federal regulations and state regulations, and it benefits the insurance company ensuring them of a monopoly of sorts. Let me buy my health insurance anywhere I want - provided they meet federal regulations. That will increase choice of product dramatically, which will increase competition, which will drive down prices and improve service. The free markets have NOT been tried with insurance. Loser pays as part of Tort reform. If you file a bogus lawsuit and lose, you pay the cost of the legal fees for the doctor or pharmacuetical company you just sued. That would just about put an end to the frivelous and phony lawsuits. Doctors and drug companies and anybody else who can be sued pay huge, huge fees for insurance...which of course if passed along to the consumer. Won't happen though. Why? The majority of congress are lawyers. No...there are plenty of things that can be done besides turning us into a socialist country. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Marcio, don't waste your time or money on MailForge which is replacement for Eudora Not.. I have been using eudora since ver 2.3 and now at 7.1, all paid for. MailForge is really really really rough around the edges. It won't import your personalities or address book. Importing your existing folders and mail files is not pretty. They do have a 30 day trial version but the paid version costs $39.95. I don't think it is anywhere near ready for prime time. But, then who am I but an old Fart who loves Eudora. Rich On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? Marcio At 04:58 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: Date:Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:58:11 -0300 From:Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Eudora Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] link correction, doctors for single payer program [was: Intensive Care Unit...]
Yes, Reverend... something like this. Look my old, very old web page: http://pw2.netcom.com/^mvp1/soloproviders1.htm I made it when I as working as MD under Managed Care in the USA. In case Marcio's link doesn't work, try this: http://home.netcom.com/~mvp1/soloproviders1.htm It's worth reading Marcio's links. A physician friend of mine is very active in the group, Physicians for a National Health Care Program, http://pnhp.org/. There are hundreds of articles on their site, many from recent news reports like California's Real Death Panels: Insurers Deny 21% of Claims http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/californias_real_de.php, resources about single payer health insurance, http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php, research supporting single payer, http://snipurl.com/rnt9e. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 Installation]
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 19:22 -0400, John DeCarlo wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com wrote: When I choose to boot Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Splash Screen appears and I get the following: Boot from (hd2,0) ext 3 eb309597-f711-458-b3b7-0a281dae6281 How many hard drives do you have in the system? (hd2,0) means the first partition on drive 3 (hd0 is first hard drive, hd1 is second). When it is booting, you can use the arrows to select one, then press 'e' to edit. I would try changing (hd2,0) to (hd1,0) or (hd3,0) and see if that works. I have one internal drive but it has two partitions. Where would I make the change you suggest above? And, why would it be seeing the Ubuntu splash screen if it cannot see the drive. It apparently does see it but then somehow changes its mind and says it doesn't exist. I thought maybe I had a flaky USB port for the external drive but I just swapped that connection and got the same results. :( Rob * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit
Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of difference between the two. Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it will ruin medicine in the United States. And don't compare how good the cardiac surgeons are with how good the healthcare system is. It doesn't matter how great they are if you can't get insurance. A good healthcare system is more than just doctors and hospitals. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like paradise. Why aren't you living there? I was just waiting for the old love it or leave it bullshit to start. Why can't an intelligent and respectful conversation take place without descending into the pit of old worn out saws such as that? Why don't you go on the internet, or seek the information anywhere you choose to, to discover how abysmal the overall health care in the United States really is, especially when viewed in light of our extreme financial wealth? Does our government lie and distort the truth? Does our current administration lie and distort the truth? Did our most recent previous administration lie and distort the truth, or is such the sole provence of Cuba or any other nation that is not our own? Please stop this silliness. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit
2009/9/7 Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net: For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Thank you for the compliment. Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have open heart surgery instead of having it done by a specialist here? What? I am free now to travel to Cuba? Who do I thank for that? Obama? You answered no...I'm certain...which means then, that health care is NOT better in Cuba. I said that health care, OVERALL, not in regard to some highly specialized areas, is better in Cuba. Any reputable statistical analysis you can find will say the same. The list's resident MD says so as well. You are free to move to Cuba, collect your $3 a month wage and enjoy that health care. Travel restrictions have been lifted? Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of difference between the two. Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it will ruin medicine in the United States. How do you know that? Did Rush tell you? Glenn Beck? Michelle Bachman? You can do some things to fix the cost...without changing the entire system. Who wants to change the entire system? 85% of the population is perfectly happy with their health care. They may be happy with their health care, but they are not happy with the cost or the aggravation. Also, and in reality, what do U.S. citizens really know about health care elsewhere? Isn't it almost purely anecdotal, or derived from corporate hype? I seem to understand that Americans, as a whole, actually understand almost nothing about the rest of the world. With that in mind, why is it assumed that we know so much about health care in other countries as to be able to so easily to come to the conclusion that ours is so great? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit
Most of my colleagues bitch about our medical plans but we have no say and no choice in what we get. I have lived under the Canadian Medical plan that is why I know what I do about it. Also my in-laws live up there. My mother-in-law cannot understand why we have to pay so much and put up with what we do with our superior medical care here in the US. My mother experienced the French medical system this Summer. Except for not being able to communicate with much of the staff. (My mom is bi-lingual, English-German and they would not speak either language) Her one week stay, surgery on two broken femurs, ICU etc. cost a total of 8500 Euros (about 11K US) imagine that bill if this had happened in the US. (It would have been in the neighborhood of 30-40K) American do not like our medical insurance system but like our medical care. If the Doctors and Hospitals changed their tunes and made medical care consumer friendly instead of pocket book friendly it would change a lot of perceptions. Same with Insurance. Until Insurance carriers decide to offer a quality product with a quality price and eschew lining their pockets it will not change. The whole of medicine from Doctors to Hospitals to Insurance is all about money. The link I sent earlier showed how prices were lowered when Doctors changed their care model from one of making money to offering a quality product. This is but one answer to the whole problem. Stewart At 08:53 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: They may be happy with their health care, but they are not happy with the cost or the aggravation. Also, and in reality, what do U.S. citizens really know about health care elsewhere? Isn't it almost purely anecdotal, or derived from corporate hype? I seem to understand that Americans, as a whole, actually understand almost nothing about the rest of the world. With that in mind, why is it assumed that we know so much about health care in other countries as to be able to so easily to come to the conclusion that ours is so great? Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit
American medicine, is indeed very good, especially the high tech end of it. To answer your question I would go for risky procedures in the USA rather than in any other country. Said that, when we shift to health care system, the picture changes. There are 45.000.000 Americans without insurance ( all Cubans, Canadians, French, Italian, Swedish, etc, etc are covered). Americans with pre-existing conditions can´t buy insurance and can´t change jobs. And frequently treatments are denyed in the name of profit. I agree that Americans as a rule don´t get too much information from other countries and they don´t realize that a health care system can be much better than what they have. And... they are brainshed to believe that private is always better... Many have to sell their homes in order to get care. Marcio -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 9:53 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit 2009/9/7 Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net: For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Thank you for the compliment. Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have open heart surgery instead of having it done by a specialist here? What? I am free now to travel to Cuba? Who do I thank for that? Obama? You answered no...I'm certain...which means then, that health care is NOT better in Cuba. I said that health care, OVERALL, not in regard to some highly specialized areas, is better in Cuba. Any reputable statistical analysis you can find will say the same. The list's resident MD says so as well. You are free to move to Cuba, collect your $3 a month wage and enjoy that health care. Travel restrictions have been lifted? Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of difference between the two. Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it will ruin medicine in the United States. How do you know that? Did Rush tell you? Glenn Beck? Michelle Bachman? You can do some things to fix the cost...without changing the entire system. Who wants to change the entire system? 85% of the population is perfectly happy with their health care. They may be happy with their health care, but they are not happy with the cost or the aggravation. Also, and in reality, what do U.S. citizens really know about health care elsewhere? Isn't it almost purely anecdotal, or derived from corporate hype? I seem to understand that Americans, as a whole, actually understand almost nothing about the rest of the world. With that in mind, why is it assumed that we know so much about health care in other countries as to be able to so easily to come to the conclusion that ours is so great? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit
Of course... so clear! Marcio -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 9:30 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of difference between the two. Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it will ruin medicine in the United States. And don't compare how good the cardiac surgeons are with how good the healthcare system is. It doesn't matter how great they are if you can't get insurance. A good healthcare system is more than just doctors and hospitals. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] link correction, doctors for single payer program [was: Intensive Care Unit...]
Let me try again: http://pw2.netcom.com/~mvp1/soloproviders1.htm I did that at one time that I was working as a psychiatrist under managed care. It was dreadful. One of the reazons I came back to Brasil... The site is old... Marcio -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Sent: Sep 7, 2009 8:50 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] link correction, doctors for single payer program [was: Intensive Care Unit...] Yes, Reverend... something like this. Look my old, very old web page: http://pw2.netcom.com/^mvp1/soloproviders1.htm I made it when I as working as MD under Managed Care in the USA. In case Marcio's link doesn't work, try this: http://home.netcom.com/~mvp1/soloproviders1.htm It's worth reading Marcio's links. A physician friend of mine is very active in the group, Physicians for a National Health Care Program, http://pnhp.org/. There are hundreds of articles on their site, many from recent news reports like California's Real Death Panels: Insurers Deny 21% of Claims http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/californias_real_de.php, resources about single payer health insurance, http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php, research supporting single payer, http://snipurl.com/rnt9e. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit
My, let me repeat slowly... capitalist countries can have socialized programs... and remain capitalist. Look around. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net Sent: Sep 7, 2009 8:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have open heart surgery instead of having it done by a specialist here? You answered no...I'm certain...which means then, that health care is NOT better in Cuba. You are free to move to Cuba, collect your $3 a month wage and enjoy that health care. Do not confuse health care costs with health care. There is a world of difference between the two. Socializing our health care system will not only hurt our economy...but it will ruin medicine in the United States. You can do some things to fix the cost...without changing the entire system. 85% of the population is perfectly happy with their health care. So you want to wreck what the 85% enjoy so that the 15% get free health care coverage? That's like having 85% of a restaraunt's clientele perfectly happy with the food at a given restaurant...but in order to please the other 15%, we bulldoze the building. Makes just as much sense as bulldozing the current system to satisfy the few, and to satisfy the socialists (Obama, Reid, Pelosi) who want more and more government control over every facet of our lives. Expand medicare to cover those who legitimately cannot afford health care. I'm not talking about those who whine that they can't afford insurance but have two cars, a house they can't afford, cell phones, top tier cable tv and other luxuries. How about if we actually let the free market work for insurance like it does almost every other industry. There are only so many companies I am allowed to buy insurance from. Those are federal regulations and state regulations, and it benefits the insurance company ensuring them of a monopoly of sorts. Let me buy my health insurance anywhere I want - provided they meet federal regulations. That will increase choice of product dramatically, which will increase competition, which will drive down prices and improve service. The free markets have NOT been tried with insurance. Loser pays as part of Tort reform. If you file a bogus lawsuit and lose, you pay the cost of the legal fees for the doctor or pharmacuetical company you just sued. That would just about put an end to the frivelous and phony lawsuits. Doctors and drug companies and anybody else who can be sued pay huge, huge fees for insurance...which of course if passed along to the consumer. Won't happen though. Why? The majority of congress are lawyers. No...there are plenty of things that can be done besides turning us into a socialist country. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Me too, will keep the Eudora 7.1 while I can. Love it. I don´t know why Qualcom dropped it and why Mozilla did not keep it. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 8:37 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora Marcio, don't waste your time or money on MailForge which is replacement for Eudora Not.. I have been using eudora since ver 2.3 and now at 7.1, all paid for. MailForge is really really really rough around the edges. It won't import your personalities or address book. Importing your existing folders and mail files is not pretty. They do have a 30 day trial version but the paid version costs $39.95. I don't think it is anywhere near ready for prime time. But, then who am I but an old Fart who loves Eudora. Rich On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Well, what is the new e-mail program that replaces it and is better? Marcio At 04:58 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: Date:Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:58:11 -0300 From:Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Eudora Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
Manythanks. I may try this. Buy the way, why is it that sometimes I get my words in portugues who have accents all garbled out?... Annoying. Marcio -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 7:45 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM, scubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: At 05:58 PM 9/7/2009 -0300, Marcio wrote Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? No. It's web mail. But you can POP your Gmail into Eudora or any other stand-alone mail program. You can use Gmail the same as any other pop based mail, imap based mail or as web based mail. I would switch to Gmail and try it on your current Eudora. I have been using Gmail for over five years and I use it all three ways depending on where I am and which account I am using. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Share you views and perceptions Jeff. Marcio -Original Message- From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Sent: Sep 7, 2009 7:39 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Sorry to say, but you sound like the guy who sits on his porch and yells at the kids for being on his lawn. I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing the mail carriers aren't allowed to actually put something in your home. So using the mail slot probably isn't a legal option for them. I do know for sure that only the USPS is allowed to use your mail box. This is why you get things from pizza companies and others hanging on your door knob. As for the signing for things. Would you be complaining if they left something important that was then stolen by some sleaze bag? You always have the option of not picking up the package or letter that need a signature. And when it comes to the postal employee pay, I don't think they get paid enough. The employees at all the postal stations in my area are some of the friendliest people I've met. I know I couldn't do their job and remain that friendly. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Regularly, I get other people's mail delivered to my home. On some occasions, it has been outgoing mail that the mail carrier has picked up at someone else's home. The mail may arrive at any time from 10:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., which says that they don't have a standard, routine manner in which the deliver the mail. I took down the mailbox on the front of my house and installed a mail slot in my front door, but the letter carriers often won't use it. The just leave the mail inside the storm door, which then stays partially propped open and thereby doesn't perform its intended purpose. When I'm not home to sign for a receipted item of mail, there is no clue on the postcard announcement that is left at my home as to who the sender is or what sort of article it is, so there is no way to prioritize my visit to the Post Office. And with post office hours now reduced to 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., working folks have to take additional time off from work to stop at the post o! ffice to pick up receipted mail. But the letter carriers have an extremely good pay and benefits package. Fred Holmes At 03:04 AM 9/6/2009, Jeff Miles wrote: True, the post office certainly has on many occasions. Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a daily basis? I have yet to find a privet company that has worked as efficiently and consistently. And, being governmentally run, the post office's goal isn't to make a profit. No government program is run to make a profit. People bitch when the programs loose money, and they'd bitch about prices and taxes if the programs were making money. It's a no win situation. I have yet, in my 47 years, realized something getting lossed by the USPS. On occasion it's taken a day or more to get here or there. But at the cost, I really can't complain. And with the millions of letters and packages they deal with each day, Fed-Ex and UPS seem to be doing just fine. In fact new people are coming on board. What's the new one? Some Yellow truck, 3 letters, can't remember the name. Socialized mail can't be that bad for business. Maybe that was President Obama's hidden agenda in asking kids to write a letter. It was to themselves, but maybe he'd had hopes they'd actually mail them and boost the profits of the USPS? Or maybe he'd had the market flooded and hoped they'd all lick some tainted stamps? The conspiracy theories flourish. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I know... this scares me... I can talk forever about the huge problems of Brazil, as a matter of fact we Brazilians do this all the time...When Ilie in American I can remember that anytme I voiced a minor criticism I created a terrible environment to have dinner... It called my attention eventhough I alwaysloved this great Country and became a citizen by choice. Marcio -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 7, 2009 7:24 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Did you notice any Country in this world copying the USA system?... Marcio Oh, that's not going to work, Marcio. Any suggestion, any hint, that the US might not be the best in the world at ANYTHING gets the right wing's nose out of joint. Try that on Fox Nation and all you'll get is a chorus of YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE? LEAVE! They are not fond of any kind of criticism of the US. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora
I have Eudora 7.1 running well in my Windows Vista. Marcio -Original Message- From: scubic scu...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 7, 2009 7:06 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora At 05:58 PM 9/7/2009 -0300, Marcio wrote Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? No. It's web mail. But you can POP your Gmail into Eudora or any other stand-alone mail program. I just ordered a new machine to be built. They are putting Eudora 7.1.0.9 on it for me (I'm providing them with the download), as I know some have had trouble loading Eudora onto Vista. This isn't Vista, but will be similar. They're putting the pre-release of Win7 on for me and then updating after the release comes out. I really didn't want to do this yet, but my desktop machine bit the dust last week. :( Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like paradise. Why aren't you living there? I was just waiting for the old love it or leave it bullshit to start. Why can't an intelligent and respectful conversation take place without descending into the pit of old worn out saws such as that? Why don't you go on the internet, or seek the information anywhere you choose to, to discover how abysmal the overall health care in the United States really is, especially when viewed in light of our extreme financial wealth? Steve - The World Health Organization report is here, http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html. Most other search returns are from biased organizations like Cato, and Free Republic, groups that have their opinions and analyses, but don't appear to have read the report, except for pulling convenient quotes out of context. As one with family from Cuba and some friends remaining, I can assure you that Jeff W. has no idea about Cuba, considering his comments. It's their health care insurance system and outcomes that are better than ours, not the high tech gadgets and expensive doctors. The Cuban government, thanks to US intervention and unnecessary embargos, is oppressive, and the people are suffering from that. Government oppression has not affected the affordability and quality of outcomes in Cuba, which are more favorable than in the US, with insurance and care universally available, unlike here. When I figure out how to visit there legally, I'll find out more, especially about the awesome beaches. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Cuba [was: Intensive care unit]
You are free to move to Cuba, collect your $3 a month wage and enjoy that health care. Travel restrictions have been lifted? You can travel to Cuba from Mexico, or on a European package tour from the UK, Germany, etc. Unless you can get permission from the US State Department, they won't stamp your passport. They'll give you a paper visa instead. If you need medical attention while you're there, the cost will be minimal or $0, and the care will be good, as in most European countries, as well as some in the Americas, but not the US. Sure would be nice to lift the embargo and travel restrictions, but Cubans don't want the Mafia and CIA to return and take over the country again as with Batista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Most of the analysis of our medical system points to the fact that our doctors rely too much on technology and not enough on proven practice and approach. The article I sent from Earthlink shows this. (Oh the technology does not make medicine better or increase health and longevity) As with any field over reliance on technology takes out the human factor (which is not always bad) and in medicine increases cost immensely. Stewart At 09:52 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote: As one with family from Cuba and some friends remaining, I can assure you that Jeff W. has no idea about Cuba, considering his comments. It's their health care insurance system and outcomes that are better than ours, not the high tech gadgets and expensive doctors. The Cuban government, thanks to US intervention and unnecessary embargos, is oppressive, and the people are suffering from that. Government oppression has not affected the affordability and quality of outcomes in Cuba, which are more favorable than in the US, with insurance and care universally available, unlike here. When I figure out how to visit there legally, I'll find out more, especially about the awesome beaches. Betty Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The World Health Organization report is here, http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html. I am sure that to many people, some of whom are very likely to be members of this list, the WHO is nothing but another cog in the wheel of the anti-American organization known as the United Nations that should be thrown out of this country because too many of its member states do not agree with a lot of what our government is doing around the world, especially in terms of our pervasive military presence. These same folks will dismiss anything that the WHO says just as quickly as you or I may dismiss some findings of the Cato Institute or other institutions of a similar bent. Searching the internet with my computer seems to verify that according to an apparently overwhelming majority of entities that evaluate medical systems around the world, the system in the United States is generally not nearly as good as a number of others, and given that we claim to be the most powerful and richest nation on earth, is thus particularly pathetic in light of our available resources. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 Installation]
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Rob wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 19:22 -0400, John DeCarlo wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com wrote: When I choose to boot Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Splash Screen appears and I get the following: Boot from (hd2,0) ext 3 eb309597-f711-458-b3b7-0a281dae6281 How many hard drives do you have in the system? (hd2,0) means the first partition on drive 3 (hd0 is first hard drive, hd1 is second). When it is booting, you can use the arrows to select one, then press 'e' to edit. I would try changing (hd2,0) to (hd1,0) or (hd3,0) and see if that works. I have one internal drive but it has two partitions. Where would I make the change you suggest above? And, why would it be seeing the Ubuntu splash screen if it cannot see the drive. It apparently does see it but then somehow changes its mind and says it doesn't exist. I thought maybe I had a flaky USB port for the external drive but I just swapped that connection and got the same results. :( The GRUB code is probably not on the same drive as your Ubuntu installation. GRUB is probably at the beginning (the master boot record, or MBR) of your internal drive. So, that should explain why it can load itself, but not Linux. One nice thing about GRUB is that once it's loaded, it will let you change its configuration on the fly. As John says, pressing e lets you change the GRUB commands normally used for one of the entries in your boot menu (you probably have 2 entries, 1 for Ubuntu and 1 for Windows). Select the entry you want to try booting. Then press e to edit that entry. It should then show you a list of commands... such as root hd(2,0)... I think that's what John wants you to edit. I haven't played around with Grub a lot myself (it's generally worked as-is for me). For more details, the grub manu can be found here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Booting -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
