[css-d] Table Cells and min-/max-width

guessing this refusal across the board means table cells aren't supposed to be monkeyed with in this way, though I can't imagine why not. Anyone care to enlighten me? Cheers! Chris -- Chris Ovenden Director Eyecode Limited. http://eyecode.co.uk http://frontend.blogsome.com

Re: [css-d] @import vs link for stylesheets

-2D5E1DB91038displaylang=en) to fix the inevitable IE glitches. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo

[css-d] Font Warning

http://frontend.blogsome.com/2007/04/12/use-lucida-lose-your-readers/ Chris __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List

Re: [css-d] [CSS2.1 Footer Bugs in IE, Need IE Hack]

, but there is supposed to be a pure CSS solution to this: http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/footerStickAlt/ I say supposed to be, because I have never been able to get the bugger to work. Chris -- Chris Ovenden http://frontend.blogsome.com

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

On 3/30/07, Mauricio Samy Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

On 3/30/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like colour is, or couleur, or Farbe. I'm well aware of this. But I have to deal with typing

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

On 3/30/07, Bryan Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ovenden wrote: On 3/30/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like

Re: [css-d] font-size advice

pace. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com

Re: [css-d] font-size advice

sites. By using body { font-size:100% } or similar, you're immediately making your fonts annoyingly large compared to the majority who use something like body { font-size:76% } - a de facto 'standard' for good reason: http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/ -- Chris Ovenden

Re: [css-d] font-size advice

On 3/27/07, Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 02:28:33PM +0100, Chris Ovenden wrote: I'm afraid that question has been discussed to death in this list and elsewhere. I'd say you just have to decide between usability and right size, since usability means

Re: [css-d] IE7 special code

we hack the CSS, the HTML or a bit of both is a matter of personal choice (personally I'm with Barney on this) - but call it what it is and don't try to pretend to purity. Chris -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] IE7 special code

/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman

Re: [css-d] setting width of a

effect) in IE6. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css

Re: [css-d] Images defined as %

Here's something I did a while back that relies heavily on image scaling: http://alisonmg.com/galleries/landscapes/show.php Chris -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] Ahhh! Why can't I find you? Degrading Popup (CSS only?)

-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] Follow up/heads-up on url(.css) screen hack

others. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css

Re: [css-d] Site Check please

Seems fine in IE7 On 1/26/07, Taryn Regish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone- Can I please get a site check on http://ifpsm.ism.ws/ Especially on a mac and IE 7. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] one-off CSS values

be more than one per page) -- Chris Ovenden http://frontend.blogsome.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List

[css-d] How to Filter Out Explorer 7 and Below

I just discovered a pure CSS way of separating the IEs (7 included) from FF and Opera (not sure about Safari). You can read about it here: http://frontend.blogsome.com/2007/01/23/the-flispide-of-star-html/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all

Re: [css-d] one-off CSS values

it to every cell that - guess what? - contains a stock price.) If, elsewhere, you have another column, say of share prices, whose presentational attributes should be the same, then write: td.stock_price, td.share_price { whatever } -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people

Re: [css-d] How to Filter Out Explorer 7 and Below

%+. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris

Re: [css-d] How to Filter Out Explorer 7 and Below

support, though, I may not have time to work around. In this particular case, as I tried to say at the end, any damage arising should be minimal. Graceful degradation, if you like. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] How to Filter Out Explorer 7 and Below

. Besides that, there is something very ugly about conditional comments; while I find some CSS hacks/filters aesthetically acceptable. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css

Re: [css-d] How to Filter Out Explorer 7 and Below

I think, at the end of it, all I can say is that this particular hack seemed like the best solution for this particular problem. I don't particularly recommend it (and I *do* want to know whether it's parsed by Safari or not), just thought it might be worth drawing people's attention to it in case

Re: [css-d] How to Filter Out Explorer 7 and Below

Oh, and I do think *|html is kind of amusing. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7

Re: [css-d] Floating Absolute Positioning

/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css

Re: [css-d] Why does IE 7 render div margin wrongly?

-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com

Re: [css-d] New and way less than confident

-- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [css-d] New and way less than confident

On 11/29/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ovenden wrote: unfortunately IE6 is likely to remain the majority browser for several years yet :-( Several years yet? IE7 is now a Microsoft recommended download, and virtually all PCs for sale post-January ship with Vista

Re: [css-d] Still having some trouble with my rounded corners...

, but this is not right :) http://www.phazm.net/newphazm/index-abs.html The top one isn't even showing up, and the bottom one isn't where it is supposed to be. Any idea why? -Original Message- From: Chris Ovenden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:03 AM To: Jon

Re: [css-d] Still having some trouble with my rounded corners...

I also changed the overlow:hidden clearfix on the ul, which is a bit problematic, to: #bottomlinks ul:after { content:.; clear:both; display:block; visibility:hidden } -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] Still having some trouble with my rounded corners...

-semantic div underneath the ul in the markup and apply the background to that. Have fun! Chris - Jon -Original Message- From: Chris Ovenden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:28 AM To: Jon Hughes Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Still

Re: [css-d] Still having some trouble with my rounded corners...

/in_tl.gif Can someone guide me through the positioning and css needed for this? I have been trying unsuccessfully for 4 days now, and haven't gotten anywhere. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] Elementary questioning about positioning a div

/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css

Re: [css-d] first list-item inside dd definition description is out of line in IE6

PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dimpie, It is the IE Three Pixel Text-Jog, described in the special Position Is Everything IE-compartment: Wow this is better solution, add height: 1% to the div#text dd styles. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] FF understands body:last-child

, in a manner very much similar to the 'htmlbody' hack. Whether that's actually a good idea probably depends on your opinion of CSS hacks in general. This kind of hack is just the kind of thing I was referring to here: http://frontend.blogsome.com/2006/11/12/valid-css-is-irrelevant/ -- Chris Ovenden

Re: [css-d] Unwanted underlines in image links (Firefox) :: updated testpages

pixel-perfect layout is IE5 5.5, of course. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7

Re: [css-d] Footer that fills to botom of browser window

, there's no way to know exactly what height is needed to stretch all the way to the bottom. Ideas? -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [css-d] Headers hugging the bottom (float: bottom)

being several lines long, I would want it to extend as far as it might want upwards, while keeping its lowest point constant compared to .content, and without itself affecting .content at all. What I really want is float:bottom. Anyone know what I mean? -- Chris Ovenden http

Re: [css-d] Unwanted underlines in image links (Firefox)

of unerlined empty air where the line break occurs. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7

[css-d] Valid CSS is Irrelevant

need? But we mustn't fool ourselves into thinking that if it validates we can't have done anything wrong. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [css-d] Valid CSS is Irrelevant

I posted a slightly more detailed version of this here: http://frontend.blogsome.com/2006/11/12/valid-css-is-irrelevant/ Prob'ly ought to confine comments to the blog rather than the list... C __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [css-d] IE6 vs IE7

On 11/8/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ovenden wrote: I have to disagree. According to the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.shtml), only 23% of their visitors have XP SP2 installed (ie only about a third of XP users). Even if we

Re: [css-d] IE6 vs IE7

a minority browser for many years, if not forever. (I am skeptical about Vista ever being widespread, which would be the main factor in further adoption, and still contingent upon an as-yet undetected slowdown in Firefox use.) -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people

Re: [css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

accessibility - has the thinking now changed, and if so could you illuminate me as to why? On 10/31/06, Dave Goodchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As far as bumping into 'compliant' sites that have nav after content for example, at least people are trying - it's a learning curve. -- Chris

Re: [css-d] [ADMIN- OFF TOPIC] Re: Blowtorches at the ready...

On 10/31/06, Alex Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My blowtorch is now ready and primed to fry to a frazzle anyone who cares to prolong this torture... I didn't mean to start a debate *HERE*; my intention was for us all (or those who cared to) to canter over to that guy's blog

[css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

http://olav.dk/articles/tables.html -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information

Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release

On 10/26/06, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/06, Chris Ovenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is incorrect. It used to be true of other IE versions, but this time around Microsoft have provided a way to roll back the installation to IE6, using the Add/Remove Programs control

Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release

you were sticking with IE6. I too am happy to use a slightly defective version of IE6 for testing purposes. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL

Re: [css-d] Change the :hover, :link, :visited and :active of a specific element based ot its ID

? Yep, that is an easy mistake to make - links seem the worst culprits for some reason. Barney, I would never dream of trying a hack like that. Does IE ignore or include the selector with a trailing comma? -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all

Re: [css-d] IE 6 and 7 on same box

login for debugging. This way I can simply install IE7 on my box, and use the legacy IE6 on another box, w/o the hassle of physically moving from place to place. --- Chris Ovenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/06, AG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anybody succesfully install both

Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release

, using the Add/Remove Programs control panel. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7

[css-d] Inline elements and display:block

to appear inside a p?) -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css

Re: [css-d] Firefox height, min-height difference for internal 100% divs

of height and min-height? Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css

Re: [css-d] Clearing in IE6

I can't replicate it either - IE6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158 - but it might be worth changing the height: 1% fix to height:1px. The percent version is known to cause problems in some situations. Chris On 3/10/06, Bruce MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Some IE 6 users of one

Re: [css-d] Min-Height

On 2/24/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:00 AM 2/24/2006, Chris Ovenden wrote: This area is slightly problematic, because min-height is not yet supported by IE7 (though we're promised it for the proper release). If we assume it will be included, the neatest solution that works

Re: [css-d] Min-Height

This area is slightly problematic, because min-height is not yet supported by IE7 (though we're promised it for the proper release). If we assume it will be included, the neatest solution that works in all browsers is: #element { min-height:100px } * html #element { height:100px } Some people

Re: [css-d] Min-Height

It's hard to know what specifically is wrong, looking at your page. But generally, min-height (and, in IE6-, height), as the name suggests, only regulates the size of a box up til the point when it is filled with text. Beyond this, the box will expand to enclose it UNLESS it is floated, in which

Re: [css-d] IE7 Beta goes Public

On 2/1/06, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Fitzsimons wrote: However, they haven't got all the bugs out, so conditional comments are going to be necessary - I'm still seeing whitespace between li items, which I had been fixing with a * html li { height: 1%; }...now that doesn't

Re: [css-d] Form Layout - better table or CSS for this one?

(Taking it back onto the list, as others might be interested) I don't know if you tried your first example in Firefox, but it worked just fine. IE sometimes goes haywire on all-floated layouts, however, and putting each line inside a block element was a pretty good cure. The inputs don't need to

Re: [css-d] Form Layout - better table or CSS for this one?

Looks completely do-able in CSS to me. The first page I'd divide into two main DIVs, floating the first one left. Inside the first block, labels with a set width (could be in ems though if a fluid layout is required) floated left and cleared left, so that the input fields sit neatly next to them.

Re: [css-d] z-index with flash in firefox

There are many broswr/flash player bugs associated with wmode=opaque or transparent, so test thoroughly. On 1/28/06, Michael Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 27, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Tanya Renne wrote: can someone diagnose a fix for that? Z-index is still baffling to me. I suggest using

Re: [css-d] Using display: inline; for navigation lists

On 1/26/06, Matt Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the benefit of displaying the list as inline if floating each li element left within the containing block could accomplish the same effect? Are there any examples where you *have* to use the display: inline rule to acheive the intended

Re: [css-d] Broken border in IE and Mac browser check

PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 15:13 Chris Ovenden wrote: However, I just tried it in IE7 b2 and the same thing is happening - and that bug is meant to have been fixed. How could you do this? AFAIK IE7b2 isn't out yet, just beta1 and AFAIR in b1 the peek-a-boo

Re: [css-d] Page layout in a container

Alternatively, make the #container expand enclose its floated contents. This shows one way of doing it: www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Chris On 1/25/06, Roger Roelofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, On Jan 24, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Mike Tuller wrote: I am trying to design a

Re: [css-d] all-css menu elements hover behavior doesn't work in IE

I haven't gone through your CSS, but you should be aware that IE only allows :hover on a tags. Also it doesn't like anything downstream' of a :hover, eg a:hover ul { display:visible } //work work in IE as it is To make a rule like this latter type work, you will need to make some trivial change

Re: [css-d] CSS wildcards

I am continually scripting CSS, because for one of the main sites I work on the images are coming out of a CMS, so I need to write a references asp.net whenever I want a background-image. Colours are also dynamic in some parts of the site. However, over two years of hardcore CSS work, I have

Re: [css-d] Broken border in IE and Mac browser check

Just (re)joined the group, so apologies if this has been said before, but it looks to me like a manifestation of the peekaboo bug. The broken-upness changes as you scroll... However, I just tried it in IE7 b2 and the same thing is happening - and that bug is meant to have been fixed. Chris On

Re: [css-d] pushing up the bottom of a table cell background

Can't log in to your site, so I can't tell what's what... On 6/1/05, Andrew Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Our art director is having a hissy fit because the images on our product listing pages don't line up with the information box. The problem is that the bottom of the image

Re: [css-d] Website check please - problems on windows?

On 5/27/05, Luca Balboni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am completing a website and I am not able to check it on Windows configurations. It seems to work fine on Mac, but on windows IE6 seems to lose the white background of the main container,. Also, thewho we are menu on the top

Re: [css-d] Best CSS Editor?

On 5/26/05, Pactum web services [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mickey Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever noticed that this problem mostly occurs when you are editing a CSS or JS file that you didn't create from scratch? That's because dreamweaver adds

Re: [css-d] Best CSS Editor?

Oh, and I second the use of Firefox' Web Developer toolbar. Edit CSS is grand, plus I use the View Style Information and various Outline options to figure out what's going on in quirky layouts. If only there were a similar tool for IE. C

Re: [css-d] help - CSS styled divider in between items on a page not working properly

On 5/26/05, Luca Balboni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I was thinking not to use hr/ as a divider because I am using an image as a background and for what I know IE and Opera show a border around the image. Is this correct? Is anyone aware of any workaround? Thanks, Luca You can kill

Re: [css-d] Floating and not wrapping images

On 5/25/05, Scott Haneda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newgeo.com/web/css/float.html I have been at this too long, I just need a solution :-( I can not have the body copy text wrapping around the image, I more or less want 2 columns, and do not want to resort to a table, though I am

Re: [css-d] CSS list numbering - non-contiguous lists in XHTML 1. 1

On 5/24/05, Michael Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Balch wrote: Unfortunately, this is not valid XHTML as p isn't allowed inside ol. p as a child of ol is not valid, however, p as a child of li is perfectly valid. For a moment I thought there was an easy solution when I was

Re: [css-d] Guillotine Bug

Really helpful post - thanks! Chris On 5/10/05, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liverpoolmom schrieb: I think I've got it but don't understand the fix, where the fix goes in the styles or what to place in the html. Can someone help me, please. I'm new to this list and am just

Re: [css-d] Is it kosher...

On 5/6/05, Peter O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... to add a style block to the html body? I've read that it isn't, but it seems to work. Is there any standards-related or logical reason why this is not a good idea? IMO it's a bit of a hack, but preferable to a whole load of inline styles.

[css-d] Is it kosher...

... to add a style block to the html body? I've read that it isn't, but it seems to work. Is there any standards-related or logical reason why this is not a good idea? IMO it's a bit of a hack, but preferable to a whole load of inline styles. Thoughts, people? Chris

Re: [css-d] order of content

On 5/4/05, Neal Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DO many people value the order of their content - for accessibility reasons or SEO reasons I do prefer floats - so I have done some 2 column layouts with the float right sideber neccessarily to come before the content. Is this overconcern ?

Re: [css-d] firefox background-repeat

On 5/4/05, victor NOAGBODJI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm having some problem with this piece of code; firefox is not expanding the background, IE sure does. body { margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: verdana, helvetica, arial, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt;