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nessie wrote:
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There is no freedom of the press. The press is a corporate tool and so is
the government.
And they're the ones telling us guns are bad. Hmmmn.
There are actually many people who come to their conclusions on their
own.
J2
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
There are actually many people who come to their conclusions on their
own.
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just like josh here
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Joshua and EMael:
Remember the promise to Teo.Be good boys and maintain the dignity
and decorum of the CTRL.
Meanwhile, Moo Moo is going to the War Protest.
Moo Moo Jones
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Joshua2 Wrote:
Your a liar.
And an idiot.
Only to an idiot.
A hard working idiot.
Well J2..your argument has just blown me out of the water.
Such eloquence
OK. So you are saying that the choice should be for gun owners to
either
get rid of their guns, or commit
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There is no freedom of the press. The press is a corporate tool and so is
the government.
And they're the ones telling us guns are bad. Hmmmn.
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Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke.
People with guns don't kill people.
I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I
haven't been killed once.
With regard to the hypothetical prison mentioned below...
There are so few murders probably because of the fact that the
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From: Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Gary Amedee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lets get rid of the people! Most of us are arseholes anyway
and wouldn't it be a lovely planet without people everywhere.
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Nope, not in America. Of course we can't say for sure, but that's where my
bet is.
Yep, people with guns of course occasionally kill people. I'm excluding from
the equation all forms of government -- in which you seem to have so much
inherent faith -- whose guns have always
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Gary Amedee wrote:
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Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke.
People with guns don't kill people.
Your a liar.
I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I
haven't been killed once.
And an idiot.
With regard to the hypothetical prison
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"Stopforth, Jamie" wrote:
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I've heard from numerous people that shootings and crime is becoming a
trend due to the media it gets. Therefore it's done to gain attention...
How about removing the 1st amendment thus taking away the freedom of the
press so
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Teo One Thousand wrote:
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In a message dated 6/2/99 6:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well let's assume that we are looking
at an
high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the
gun
deaths? Where
3, 1999 11:43 PM
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Gary Amedee wrote:
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Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke.
People with guns don't kill people.
Your a liar.
I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I
have
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In a message dated 6/2/99 6:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well let's assume that we are looking
at an
high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the
gun
deaths? Where are the accidental shootings? Prisoners who want to
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In fact, a number of books, one by a professor at Florida State
University, has proven your
statement incorrect. There is more than ample proof that the death rate
goes up when gun ownership
Read More Guns, Less Crime by John R. Lott Jr. ISBN 0-226-49363-6. It'll
open your
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In a message dated 6/1/99 7:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We have. The majority of American prisoners are nonviolent offenders (i.e.
drug users).
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From: nurev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Look at a prison.
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In a message dated 99-05-27 16:48:33 EDT, you write:
avin Phillips wrote:
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According to the future that you seem to relish Nurev is a total gun
ban
Yes that's right. And voluntary compliance from law abiding citizens.
It
doesn't need to be permanent
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Liz Schumacher wrote:
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without the 2nd amendment, the first is useless, and unenforceable
josh, u may know everything about everything, but when you grow up, you just
may feel differently--but maybe not--but who gives a wild rip anyhow?
liz
Well, I'm
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nessie wrote:
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The fact is that people with guns kill, and when you take them away, the
death rate drops like a rock.
You SAY it's a fact, but you cite no proof.
Look at a prison.
J2
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
These stupid NRA arguments don't cut it anymore. You are now fighting
a
rearguard defensive action, and you think your in some kind of strong
position.
YOU ARE NOT.
Everything has changed.
Joshua2
not quite, bellybutton lint. the idiot
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Eagle 1 wrote:
What is it with guns?
Guns don't kill anyone.
nurev wrote:
You are a liar!
MJ:
If you and I sat in a room (or you sat alone) with a gun
on the table ... at what point does the gun shoot you or
I?
Regard$,
--MJ
I am convinced that we can do to guns
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Eagle 1 wrote:
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What is it with guns?
Guns don't kill anyone.
You are a liar!
The person who pulls the trigger is the responsible party here.
This is all about responsibility.
No it's NOT about responsibility it's about unnecessary deaths.
Not about
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nessie wrote:
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Before we ban guns all together
It is physically impossible to ban guns. The genii is out of the bottle.
All the laws in the world can't put it back in.
Not a problem at all.
What we must do is create a world in which the use of guns,
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Eagle 1 wrote:
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What is it with guns?
Guns don't kill anyone.
You are a liar!
The person who pulls the trigger is the responsible party here.
This is all about responsibility.
No
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The fact is that people with guns kill, and when you take them away, the
death rate drops like a rock.
You SAY it's a fact, but you cite no proof.
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nurev wrote:
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Eagle 1 wrote:
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What is it with guns?
Guns don't kill anyone.
You are a liar!
Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Either support your argument with facts or stop wasting bandwith.
Jim Norman
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nessie wrote:
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The fact is that people with guns kill, and when you take them away, the
death rate drops like a rock.
You SAY it's a fact, but you cite no proof.
In fact, a number of books, one by a professor at Florida State University, has
proven your
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without the 2nd amendment, the first is useless, and unenforceable
josh, u may know everything about everything, but when you grow up, you just
may feel differently--but maybe not--but who gives a wild rip anyhow?
liz
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remember the "Luby's" massacre a few years ago?? one of the women survivors
had been carrying till THAT DAY--she watched her mom and dad get shot in the
head. if she had been carrying, that WOULD NOT have happened
liz
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Nurev, you are either incurably ignorant as to the facts in the above
cases,
or worse, you do not care, or the mountain of evidence proving massive
government malfeasence is inconvenient to your argument so you ignore it.
I'm not doubting government
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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According to the future that you seem to relish Nurev is a total gun ban
Yes that's right. And voluntary compliance from law abiding citizens.
It
doesn't need to be permanent either. But I want to see what happens
when
guns are out of
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Drugs are addictive
Some are and some are not. And those that are, so what? it's none of your
damn business what somebody else does with their own body. In point of
fact, I myself have been a drug addict for nearly forty years and as far
as I can tell it's done me nothing but
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to
read
the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns
out
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Not at all. Violence is failure. The only justification for violence
iself defense. Real self defense not your paranoid fantasies of a
future that may or may not happen.
Gavin;
That's right. Violene is failure. Unfortunately it will never be
erradicated,
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good critiques of Darwinian evolution.
are not, in and of themselves, a good critique of evolution itself. Like
Freud or Columbus, Darwin and Wallace were on to something big, but were
fairly clueless as to what. Yes, the mind does have definable internal
functions. No, they
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The highest percentage of shootings are drug related.
Actually, the highest percentage of shootings are drug MONEY related. End
drug prohabition and the profit motive ceases to be a factor in drug use,
the drug user's prime reason to recruit evaporates, as does the vast
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In a message dated 5/25/99 12:43:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
good critiques of Darwinian evolution.
are not, in and of themselves, a good critique of evolution itself. Like
Freud or Columbus, Darwin and Wallace were on to something big, but
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In a message dated 5/25/99 12:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The highest percentage of shootings are drug related.
Actually, the highest percentage of shootings are drug MONEY related. End
drug prohabition and the profit motive ceases to be a
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Before we ban guns all together
It is physically impossible to ban guns. The genii is out of the bottle.
All the laws in the world can't put it back in.
What we must do is create a world in which the use of guns, or of any
other tool, to oppress others in any way is
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But I want to see what happens when guns are out of the equation. And it
looks like we'll soon find out.
Dream on.
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What is real is the astronomical number of gunshot tragedies every single
day.
What EXACTLY is that number? be specific. Cite your sources.
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How many more people will kill each other with guns just so you can feel
ideologically correct? 1000? 10,000? How many?
And how many unarmed women will be raped so YOU can feel ideologically
correct? How many frail elders will be murdered in their beds? For that
matter,
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read
the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out
to
be a statist.
I'm done with this subject for now in light of a REALLY
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read
the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out
to
be a statist.
I'm done with this subject for now in light of
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out to
be a statist.
I'm done with this subject for now in light of a REALLY
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out to
be a statist. The government will take care of us, right Nurev? Let the
government murderers and cowards of the FBI and ATF
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"Lethal Laws:Gun "Control" is the Key to Genocide"
by Jay Simkin, Aaron Zelman Alan M. Rice
This book gives you hard proof that the downside to "gun
control" is genocide, not inconvenience to firearms owners.
Lethal Laws contains the authentic original texts of "gun
control"
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At 01:15 AM 5/12/99 -0400, Howard R. Davis III wrote:
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Right! Like you gun loonies are really going to stop tanks with your
9mms
and your shotguns.
During the Hungarian revolution many Russian tanks were taken out with
"Molotov cocktails". Tanks are not
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You would think a person on this list would know the reasons other then
the "popular" ones to disarm the people... I guess we're getting swollowed
up by more of the ignorant masses. Sad sad sad etc...
Jamie
At 01:15 AM 5/12/99 -0400, Howard R. Davis III wrote:
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During the Hungarian revolution many Russian tanks were taken out with
"Molotov cocktails". Tanks are not necessarily unstoppable.
In his book David's Toolkit (on Loompanics), Ragnar Benson passes on a
great little story about a fight between some Israeli militia on
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"Howard R. Davis III" wrote:
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nurev wrote:
"Howard R. Davis III" wrote:
On several occasions Nurev has threatened his critics with a future
revolution of the people. He seems to enjoy fantasizing about a future
revolution against
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nessie wrote:
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I wish to avert that violence because I live in this society, and I
don't want to go down with it.
If you think you can avert violence by not being ready to counter it, you
are a fool. Violence is part of life; it is NOT going away just
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nurev wrote:
"Howard R. Davis III" wrote:
On several occasions Nurev has threatened his critics with a future
revolution of the people. He seems to enjoy fantasizing about a future
revolution against the "capitalists" who he seems to fear will take over
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I wish to avert that violence because I live in this society, and I
don't want to go down with it.
If you think you can avert violence by not being ready to counter it, you
are a fool. Violence is part of life; it is NOT going away just because
some people wish it to. Violence
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
I wish to avert that violence because I live in this society, and I
don't want to go down with it.
If you think you can avert violence by not being ready to counter it, you
are a fool. Violence is part of life; it is NOT going away just
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if this is -j2- that you are trying to convince
Actually, I was addressing the listers at large, particularly any who
might consider this kind of raving to have any value, but haven't decided
for themselves yet.
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"Howard R. Davis III" wrote:
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nurev wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether they be pro-gun or anti-gun, most people would
acknowledge that mankind has certain, Inalienable Rights.
Not at all. Rights are a conceptual
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Jim Norman wrote:
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"Howard R. Davis III" wrote:
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nurev wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether they be pro-gun or anti-gun, most people would
acknowledge that mankind has certain, Inalienable
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
Now it's an " Unquestionable " human right to bear arms?
Yes, it is unquestionable. Rather than providing
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At 04:25 PM 5/9/99 -0700, nurev wrote:
"Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat."
--Hermann Goering, radio broadcast (1936)
Who is this Herman guy? Some fat NRA redneck from
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nurev wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether they be pro-gun or anti-gun, most people would
acknowledge that mankind has certain, Inalienable Rights.
Not at all. Rights are a conceptual legal concept. If everybody
plays along, you have rights. If
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Previous thread: Re: [CTRL] Remember to say "Guns save lives...
In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
Now it's an " Unquestionable " human right to bear arms?
Yes, it is unquestionable. Rather than providing a long list of the
leading constitutional lawyers
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NO, history has shown us time and again, that this
pattern of disarming the peoples leads to their own
enslavement and/or annihilation.
"An unarmed people are slaves, or subject to slavery at any time." --
Malcolm X
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