Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough (Web Development)

2001-05-10 Thread LIST at Nothing But Net
Perhaps, but how about Interbase data? How about data inwards from the web to the main live database. How about if that main live database was also interacted with by the main application written in Delphi? I have exactly this setup myself! I run Linux on my web server, which is sitting right

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-10 Thread Steve Peacocke
At 09:00 am 10.05.01 +1200, you wrote: At NZ$5500 pa the MSDN Universal subscription seems to represent comparitively remarkable value for money. It includes 5 user licenses of the Enterprise versions of all the MS development tools (?), all the Windows platforms, the MSDN library, Office,

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-10 Thread Colin Fraser
]]On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 9:38 pm To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough At 09:00 am 10.05.01 +1200, you wrote: At NZ$5500 pa the MSDN Universal subscription seems to represent comparitively remarkable value for money. It includes 5

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-10 Thread Peter Hyde
Colin wrote: And a final maybe... maybe we just need to wait for a couple of weeks and see how things settle down, see if more info becomes available as to what really is 'New' and what really is in the Enterprise version and available in no other way... Wise words. Thanks to third-party

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-10 Thread Xander van der Merwe
The Polytech here has substantially moved from Delphi to Java in the past year or two also. This is regrettable. On another sad note: Auckland Uni held a technology expo day a couple of months or so ago. I was informed by a reliable source that they announced at this event the cancellation of

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-10 Thread Sergei Stenkov
Also, an interesting side note to do with market share or future market share... Down here in little old Hamilton, a friend of mine was keen to go to a Delphi course at Tech... the course ended up been cancelled due to not enough interest/registrations, so they decided to do a Java course

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-10 Thread Mark Howard
imagining a concurrent proliferation of new slick sounding acronyms? Mark - Original Message - From: Colin Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list delphi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough Last time when

[DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Neven MacEwan
Hmmm Firstly - We don't like Microsoft Product but we like their price? Please! Purchasing on Price has always been a bad idea (or that what we all try to convince our clients) and Secondly - Probably like a lot of you I use Pro, the price for Enterprise is set by where Enterprise sits in the

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Steve Peacocke
the price for Enterprise is set by where Enterprise sits in the market, priced Oracle or Rational Rose recently? or on a more proletairat level a copy of Adobe Capture?, Which is why I have survived without any of those. Let me put it all in perspective for you - I have no pointy-haired boss

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Mark Derricutt
Live data to the web? You make it sound uncommon, or make it sound like VB can't do that. I find PHP allows me to get data from my databases to a webpage quicker and easier than Delphi anyday, with alot less overhead. --On Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:21 AM +1200 Steve Peacocke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Paul Ritchie
Delphi set the standard for RAD OO development 5 years ago, no question. However it's competitors are catching rapidly. (I believe VB will even have inheritance in it's next release!) If I couldn't use Delphi then they would have their choice of a myriad of spotty faced kids with a copy of

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Steve Peacocke
At 08:56 am 10.05.01 +1200, you wrote: Live data to the web? You make it sound uncommon, or make it sound like VB can't do that. I find PHP allows me to get data from my databases to a webpage quicker and easier than Delphi anyday, with alot less overhead. Perhaps, but how about Interbase data?

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Chrissy R
Some great comments snipped - all worth reading It's the REAL PRO's that convinces the Corporates to buy, not the pointy-haired bosses. Price out the REAL PRO's and your sales will disappear. This last point is interesting. For about $10 years I was doing what you now do, contracting but I

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Neven MacEwan
Steve I'm a Pascal man - eat, sleep talk and think in Pascal. I was using Pascal even before Borland was born (anybody remember Pascal MT+ in CP/M?). So am I to a point, (My BE thesis was on the hardware design of a Pascal P-Code Machine) But I would not use Delphi for Web based development,

RE: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Martin Paulo
-Original Message- From: Neven MacEwan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [snip] Firstly - We don't like Microsoft Product but we like their price? Please! I can't see what's wrong with liking the price but not the product. Is it different to liking the product, but not the price? A

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Paul Lowman
Steve et al I've also been a Pascal man since the late seventies also using Pascal MT+ on our own design CPM based systems. I was delighted by Borlands first offering of Turbo Pascal for CPM - both by the capabilitys and by the whole Borland ethos - the price was absolutely right at (if I recall

Re: [DUG]: OK I've heard enough

2001-05-09 Thread Mark Derricutt
Well, PHP supports Interbase. Data inwards from the web? Thats just a matter of responding to the HTTP POST with an insert sql query. My website for my cdcollection and journal is all PHP/Postgres, web editable, I could if I wanted write a rich Delphi UI app that also allowed me to modify