Re: [libreoffice-design] Color Picker : Tentative Design
Hi All, I'm sorry I surprisingly busy these days with the terrible explosion of homophobia in France. I don't have time to update what I wanted. Here are some thought : - Then, I'm absolutely sure that having Old/New at the bottom in tablet version is a bad thing. I simulted on My Old Tablet (LDLC Janus), My finger hide the right item if I try to adapt color in the bottom-left of the popover. In fact it depend my position (Up, Sit etc) but globally, we really shouldn't have this at the bottom in tablet version. With the desktop version obviously it have to be at the bottom - About having recent colors separated of Theme colors : For me, recent colors is something you wan't really fast access, as much as Theme colors (and maybe less than personalized colors, that in document creation, instead of design, you choose once and reuse a few times). So for me, Recents colors must be in the same, first, window than theme colors, even if obviously visually separated - I think that clicking on the Old color in the Old/New preview is sort of as close without changing, and very useful : Without that, you can't exit the popover without changing anything : If you personalize the color, it's changed, and you only have Ctrl+Z/Cancel option to cancel (one more action, that not everyone know). So here is an exemple on usage : Click on the Old color : close without changing anything (keep previous color), Click on the New color is as clicking somewhere outside the popover : it apply definitively (this is not really useful, but permits a consistent way with clicking on Old) - Having New/Old colors in a separate popover : First Time I saw this in Mirek proposal I absolutely didn't understand what this was (Had to stay on this 15 minutes to understand). With Mirek Update, it's better but I don't think it's useful at all but It's not really a big problem any more, except if we choose to use what I described upthere (click on Old/New), where it should really stay in the same popover - About the bottom-right button/Drop-down menu : Okay with the drop down-menu, but I think it would be better to have a simple button until we have at least two items : Having a menu with only one item is just ridiculous. Just my really fast two cents. If you don't understand what I mean, just ask I will do my best to answer as fast as possible. Kévin 2013/4/8 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi guys, I'd really like to get the tentative design finished this week. I still think the color preview should be in an area separate from the color list -- what do the others think? Also, recent colors should be listed on the Recent colors page, not on the Theme color page, as, unlike theme colors, recent colors are static. Theme colors should not be listed under recent colors, because they're not static. I would also like to get rid of the OK button on the Custom color page, as it is merely a Close button and pop-overs don't tend to have close buttons. I updated my proposal a bit so you can see what I mean: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/ee/Picker-mirek2.png. It would also be good to have the right alignment, spacing, sizing, etc., so that it's ready for a developer. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] IRC Chat
Hi All, I'm sorry, I'll probably not be at the IRC Chat today. I didn't have time to change what I wanted on the color picker. Have a good chat, Kévin -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color Picker : Tentative Design
Hi Alll I will do that today. Issa, the source file is there : http://ubuntuone.com/57jcpbGE2SGHXlzw1JjY2n Kévin Le dim. 17 mars 2013 12:29:49 CET, Mirek M. a écrit : One more thing: You mention a problem with height -- make sure the pop-over is scrollable if the screen can't show all of it. Also, it would be good if the Palette section of the pop-over was designed to be able to carry other palettes than the default. Thus, the section wouldn't have a separate area for grays, as few palettes separate their grays like this. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color Picker : Tentative Design
I think we should try to avoir having to scroll in a popover, as it should stay a fast access to colors. The, of course, if the pop-over still is too high, it has to be scrollable. Le 17/03/2013 12:29, Mirek M. a écrit : One more thing: You mention a problem with height -- make sure the pop-over is scrollable if the screen can't show all of it. Also, it would be good if the Palette section of the pop-over was designed to be able to carry other palettes than the default. Thus, the section wouldn't have a separate area for grays, as few palettes separate their grays like this. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color Picker : Tentative Design
Hi all Here is a very pretty short mail to say I updated the tentative design, following your comments as much as possible (you will find answer to each of your notes below if I didn't forget one) : Hillar I think you should integrate Automatic+Old+New into one row. It will take less space. I didn't because Automatic row will (in the future as you know) probably include gradients etc. More of that, I agree with Mirek saying Old/New should be at the bottom as they are not clikable. Issa New should be adjacent to Old to compare colors with slight differences. Done Mirek I would put the Old and New indicators in another place. As they aren't click-able, it doesn't make sense to put them in the place that's most accessible for a mouse -- they only increase the distance the mouse has to travel to reach a clickable target. (In my proposal, these indicators were shown below the picker, with only the old color shown first and then the new color superposed on it as one hovered over it.) Done Issa New should be on the left and Old on the right. I don't really see why (for me, history (old) is on the left, future (new) on the right) but it's done; Issa Since it is a pop-over and not a dialog the custom colors should be applied immediately upon changing the current color. The window can be closed when the focus moves away or using an ok button Mirek As Issa said, Since [...] button. An apply button would be unnecessary in this case. (Actually, it would be confusing, as this button would do nothing.) Done with a OK button. I precised in the explanation on the mockup that clicking OK or loosing focus just close the popover, as the color is applied as soon as it's defined Issa The back and check-mark icons aren't consistent with the desktop UI. The back icon should be replaced with an icon denoting theme color and the check-mark icon should be replaced with an apply button. Done. I don't know if it's possible, but ideally, the 8 external colors in this theme icon should be the sames as the 8 colors of the current theme (what I did there). For the color in the middle, I took a grey color. Mirek If we agree to have a gear button, it should really be a menu. I'm not 100% sure that we need it for the first implementation, though. Issa The theme creator dialog should be replaced with a drop down menu for changing themes, possibly next to the theme colors label. I'm not sur about that : You do not change your theme so often, The popover is a fast access tool. More of that, seeing the M$ theme creator window [2], this could take a lot of place. Not sure it's a good idea having such a big popover; Issa The gray scale colors should be vertical and on the left of the palette for consistency. Done (for palette and theme); Mirek Could you try adding two columns for the gray, just to see what it looked like? Done, in a separeted file. Mirek Also, it would be good if the Palette section of the pop-over was designed to be able to carry other palettes than the default. Thus, the section wouldn't have a separate area for grays, as few palettes separate their grays like this. I put the grey bar on the left. I don't really think why palette couldn't be tweaked, but I'm not sure this would be useful : for me palette is there to present almost every color existing. if you need personalized colors, the theme colors are there. As I answers to Issa concerns, for the palette itself should be fixed (I mean, not easily changeable) Mirek You mention a problem with height -- make sure the pop-over is scrollable if the screen can't show all of it. With this new design, the popover is a lot less hight. But I precised in the explanation it should of course be scrollable if it doesn't fit in the screen. Issa Automatic should also be available in custom colors, maybe to the left of the hex code. Mirek Automatic was visually separate for a reason -- the top toolbar might later need to carry gradients, patterns, etc. as well, as in Hillar's proposal. (As Automatic is not always a solid color, it doesn't belong in the Solid color category.) I put it at the top, the same place gradients etc will be in the future, and put a note about that in the mockup Mirek Please include a label of the color for the colorblind. Almost done. I didn't included the label for RGB and HSL, because I really don't see how we could decide the name of colors that have so few diffenrences between them (except RGB of course, which is already at the top, or we would have 300 red, 300 blue etc etc). Mirek Why did you remove the text box for changing the HSL/RGB values? That's a very good question ! simple mistake :-D Mirek The panels of the pop-over now have variable height -- could you provide information about the animation needed to make switching panels a smooth experience? Done Issa The colors beneath the basic ones should be
Re: [libreoffice-design] Color Picker : Tentative Design
Hi All I just thought about something related to the Old/New icons. On desktop version, that's right it's better having that at the bottom is it means less distance with the mouse. But on the tablet version, this MUST be at the top of the popover ... Or you will hide it with your hand while touching the popover to define the color. We have to keep that in mind. THen, once we agree on the global design (actual mock ups), I will make separates desktop (5x5mm squares, New/Old at the bottom) and tablet (9x9mm as actual, but with New/Old at the top) versions. Le dim. 17 mars 2013 13:26:48 CET, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Kévin, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 17, 2013 3:18 PM Hi Alll I will do that today. Issa, the source file is there : http://ubuntuone.com/57jcpbGE2SGHXlzw1JjY2n Thank you. But now I'd prefer to work on it after you're done with Mirek's points :) ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يح تويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Color Picker : Tentative Design
Hi All I just uploaded the first version of the tentative design of the Color Picker, with Themes support, and updated the wiki [1]. Actually, this is what we called during IRC chat the Tablet version, with 9x9mm separated by 2mm. I will make the desktop version (if useful, not convinced this design couldn't fit well for a desktop), once this one is almost okay for everyone. Actually, I see at least one problem with this design : * In Custom Color view, with the Palette tab, the popover seems too high for little screens. I think we can remove Recents colors part of this view, as it's already present in the Theme colors one, but I wanted your thoughts. So : what do you think of this two points ? (using Tablet version on desktop and removing Recent colors from Custom color view). What other things would you like to change in this design ? Kévin [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Picker -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page
I'm not sure the icons should be discussed on the Wi k i, because it means lot of text on the same page (lot of icons to discuss in the same page), or lot of pages just for text (with one page for each icon). I don't know what we could use instead, the only other way I see is mailing list, but I don't know GIT enough, maybe there is a way to insert comments, something like that ? Then, I'm not sure about the Tentative Design part : why snapshots, then latest snapshots ? I think just the last snapshot, in context, is enough. The duplicate part don't seems me useful. Maybe just a snapshot of all currents icons and one in context ? Other question, where did you find the Gnome Symbolic icons for your snapshots ? Kévin 2013/3/5 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello world, I've updated the Flat icon set wiki page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set Added the guidelines plus snapshots of the icons. I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves should go on the wiki page somewhere. ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Set : list of icons
Hi everyone, Do someone know if there is, somewhere, a list of all the icons we actually use ? This would help us know what we still have to do, and maybe make a wiki page with all icons and their current status (not started, started by, analysis, ready). If it doesn't exist, I will do this but not until next week (at least) Kévin -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page
Le mar. 05 mars 2013 17:27:54 CET, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Kévin, webmaster, Emir, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 5:56 PM: Then, I'm not sure about the Tentative Design part : why snapshots, then latest snapshots ? I think just the last snapshot, in context, is enough. The duplicate part don't seems me useful. Maybe just a snapshot of all currents icons and one in context ? They are like that. One is a sheet, which is how the current icons look. The other is a screenshot, which is how they would look in context/in the program. I didn't really think about the captions/naming, perhaps you can change it to something more meaningful :) I will think, but with my bad english it could be even worst :D Other question, where did you find the Gnome Symbolic icons for your snapshots ? All Gnome icons are available here https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/ While I'm trying to reuse everything I can, a lot of them had to be edited or even drawn from scratch. Not surprised with that, LibO has a huge number of icons, Gnome can't have one for each of us. webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on March 05, 2013 5:14 PM: Those icons need the white-ish background to show up instead of the transparent looking background. So, any new icon needs to have a non-transparent background. I don't think that would be a good choice, if we do so the icons won't be platform independent nor theme independent. Wouldn't two variants (dark and light) be a better solution to this problem? Emir Yâsin SARI wrote on March 05, 2013 6:16 PM: I wonder, if the icons could be a little bit darker, at this state they are barely readable. Good point, I forgot to bring it up. We need to choose a color for the icons, I suggest choosing either Tango palette or LibreOffice [branding] palette: Tango's dark grays: 2e3436, 555753. LibO's dark grays: 66, 33. Please note that this decision would most likely affect future colored flat icons. On other hand the colors can be changed with one click at any time so we don't have to worry about it for now :) I'm really not sure of what I will say, but as SVG are XML files, couldn't the color be automaticaly changed by the theme / program ? It seems me it's the way Ubuntu do with its indicators (I repeat, I'm really not sure, more a question than anything else) Or they'll look already better when implemented? Or is it better to discuss this on the wiki? You can see that for yourself in the wiki page. Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 6:39 PM: Do someone know if there is, somewhere, a list of all the icons we actually use ? This would help us know what we still have to do, and maybe make a wiki page with all icons and their current status (not started, started by, analysis, ready). If you have the LibreOffice source code you can find all the icons in icon-themes. I am replacing them (on my machine) one by one to know what's done and what's not. A wiki page like that would be a huge effort and it wouldn't be so efficient. We are currently using SparkleShare (Dropbox-like software) and we're looking for a solution that would automatically fetch the icons for discussion. Check this meeting where we discussed the workflow https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-02-16 Thank's a lot ! I definitively need to liberate my saturdays ... I will read this tonight. ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يح تويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Flat Icons Guidelines
We first have to decide whether to use a new page, the same page than the previous (android) or move the old page somewhere and reuse the same URL. Personnaly, I would move move https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set_androidet use this location for the new whiteboard (with the link to the old one) Kévin 2013/3/3 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Steve, SteveBell wrote on March 04, 2013 12:07 AM: Absolutely agree with every word. Use of the wiki for discussing anything icon related would be great. Can someone create a whiteboard? Will do soon. ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines 2013/2/27 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Hi Issa, you wrote: Here is a rough list of guidelines for designing the flat icons which I compiled from jimmac on irc and stereotype on her blog (GNOME symbolic icons designers): 1. Use a 16x16 primary canvas. [snip] Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. I'd need to re-find the svgs that have this labelling for examples, but the extraction script generally expects a name_size labelling, and exports to namesize.png - of course that can be adjusted. Just be consistent. :) (I can do that for a handful of icons manually, as done for the android icons - but it becomes intractable for large icon sets. Of course, cannot harm to equip also the android icons with said labels) Beyond that, great initiative - thanks a lot! And, once the workflow is decided, prolly worth sticking to the wiki prominently? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hi Issa, Every One 2013/3/1 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Thorsten, Kévin, Thorsten wrote on February 27, 2013 6:49 PM: Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. Consider it added :) Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 01, 2013 11:25 AM: That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines I didn't add it yet because I'm wondering whether we should update the old flat icons page or make a new one, because pretty much everything on the old page will be scrapped. I guess we could move the old page's content to Flat icons set (Android)? That's right, that's probably the best thing to do. or Flat icon set (old). Then the old proposals could be updated easily by they creators . I think we should choose a different architecure for the wiki page. Maybe less text and more icons, a tabl or something like that ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Guidelines
Hi, Yes I think it's a good idea, even if it's not on the wiki, we should add this there : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design (maybe in the whiteboard or a new section ?) Le ven. 01 mars 2013 16:35:14 CET, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : Could the designers post as one image their set of icon ideas [current/best ideas] in a PNG/JPG file on the wiki pages or somewhere else? Someone like me that has other work going on for LO and local projects [and little time to do those] can see a brief overview of what is being proposed? I just started on this list to ask about getting a set of the icons in large format, and I thank you for that help. So, I do not know what is going on with the discussions and would like to see some of the current ideas presented on a web page for easy viewing. I may not be the only one. On 03/01/2013 08:44 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: Hi Mirek Thanks a lot, seems to be a good way (and far better than the Wiki). So icons will be stored in GitHub, and we can access them via Sparkleshare for exemple to have everyone synced that's it ? Kevin 2013/3/1 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi Kévin, On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote: Hi Issa, Every One 2013/3/1 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Thorsten, Kévin, Thorsten wrote on February 27, 2013 6:49 PM: Let me add a 13. Group, layer, and name the icon area placeholder according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/User_Experience/Tools section SVG Icon / Graphics Workflow, so that we can extract and convert them by script. Consider it added :) Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 01, 2013 11:25 AM: That seems great for me. Don't have lot of time these days but If everyone is Okay I will update the old wiki-page of flat icon set with these guidelines I didn't add it yet because I'm wondering whether we should update the old flat icons page or make a new one, because pretty much everything on the old page will be scrapped. I guess we could move the old page's content to Flat icons set (Android)? That's right, that's probably the best thing to do. or Flat icon set (old). Then the old proposals could be updated easily by they creators . I think we should choose a different architecure for the wiki page. Maybe less text and more icons, a tabl or something like that Actually, this time around, we're adopting Gnome's workflow and going with github [1] + SparkleShare [2]. The wiki isn't a good place for managing lots of images -- uploading each version of the hundreds of icons that are planned would be tedious. [1] https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons [2] http://sparkleshare.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Hi All, and thanks Björn for your answer. 2013/2/26 Björn Balazs bjoern.bal...@user-prompt.com Hi Kévin, all, Am Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013, 12:50:37 schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT: Then, about the icon guidelines, As I sayed to Mirek, we shouldn't choose if we use Gnome ones, Elementary ones, Ubuntu Ones etc, but let users choose that by a survey. Because if surveys are useless for ergonomy (user always choosing , for pure design it helps to know what final user find sexy or not. I would like to have Bjoern thoughts on this, so I CC him. Well then, here we go :) - and as Heiko correctly pointed out, we would be more than happy to support LO by any kind of user- based decision making. What we can and should do: User test the quality of each icon we use in terms of understandability. Correct me if I'm wrong, but for me this is more about ergonomy than design, even if design count. It's the same thing than knowing if a clipboard is better than a glue tube for paste. Then, making the glue tube/clipboard glossy, flat, tango etc is pure design, and doesn't change its understandability. But I am actually skeptical about making DESIGN decisions based on surveys. At least I would not do it directly, e.g. by showing three kinds of design and asking 'Which do you like best?'. I guess indirect methods are superior here. For this, we need to define our desired target groups first. Only then we can address anything concerning 'taste'. Otherwise we will just get a random sample of users in any survey (which is ok for questions like understandability of icons) - and with each survey we are in danger of getting a different subset of users. The result could be that we end up with a non-consistent design-language, because in one survey the purists 'won' while in another survey the majority likes it more 'playful'... So what we can do, is trying to research who is using LO for which reasons, doing which tasks - and then trying to identify primary users (personas), for which we then can try to find a consistent and appealing design-language. I agree, we need to define them, but I don't know how we can do this. Then If I well understood what you mean by non-consitent design language, you think we would have an incoherent icon set. I don't agree with that, because the survey would be done only once, just to decide what design, and finally what guidelines we should have for all our icons, and all icons would follow these == this will stay consistent. Then, about identifying our users, as I sayed, I absolutely do not know how to do that, do you have some methodolgy/advices ? I'm not sure knowing who are our users will directly help us choosing design language, but it will tell us who are the users that we need to take more account of the views in a survey. Then, we do the survey about which guidelines they prefer and we ask them (indirectly) which type of user they are, and we compare the results with our known users. I think it's what you meant by indirects methods, am I wrong ? Kévin Can you follow the thoughts? Cheers, Björn -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat
I would have loved being there (to speak about the flat icon set), but (as usual), I will not be able this week (not even having Internet probably). Hope next week, Kévin Le ven. 22 févr. 2013 21:29:08 CET, Mirek M. a écrit : As every week, we will have an IRC chat Saturday at 16:00 UTC on freenode on the #libreoffice-design channel. Topics for discussion: * Collaboration * Impress icon Feel free to add topics -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Sure we need ones, at least for designing the icons. I think we all agrea on this. We should descuss what the guidelines should be for the flat icon set. I think what I proposed earlier would be a good start, but we need to discuss it. 2013/2/20 Emir Yâsin SARI bitig...@me.com Having just one other color by icon make : - LibreOffice being more differentiated from the concurrency (Gdocs etc) - Staying clean (less colors by icons, more clean, personal filling that seems confirmed by the massive use of monochrome designs (Unity top bar (indicators), MAC OS X, Gdocs, Windows 8 etc etc) - Help to understand what an icon do. Having unique design guidelines… Makes sense to me. Best regards, Emir 21 Şub 2013 tarihinde 00:25 saatinde, Kévin PEIGNOT şunları yazdı: Hy every one I tried to color code icons, according to this old Mirek proposal : http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/color-codes/ , and using black when the icon has a too general purpose. The result is here (it's based on Issa mock-Up). Personnaly, I'm not any more convinced that having color coded icons would be such a big step forward. But I would to share something I though while doing this. No mater if icons are not color coded, having bicolor icons (exceptionnaly three MAYBE) could really be great, thinking this way : - each icon should be based on grey, - each icons should have a second color as soon as it can helps understanding the meaning of an icon. Example : Bold icon do not need to be bicolor, but landscape/portrait page yes. - The color should be applicated to the most important, significative part of an icon. In the case of Portrait/Landscape mode, the new orientation would be colored, the old one staying grey. Having just one other color by icon make : - LibreOffice being more differentiated from the concurrency (Gdocs etc) - Staying clean (less colors by icons, more clean, personal filling that seems confirmed by the massive use of monochrome designs (Unity top bar (indicators), MAC OS X, Gdocs, Windows 8 etc etc) - Help to understand what an icon do. What do you think about these design rules Kévin Le mer. 20 févr. 2013 22:14:33 CET, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Kevin, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on February 21, 2013 12:02 AM: I'm relaly not a good icon designer (really bad to be honest), but with the svg of the icons I will try to color code them too, because I really think this can be a great user friendl (and pretty too) icon set Oh sorry, here is the SVG https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test.svg ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يح تويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Hi Mirek, Do you have a link to a page where gnome icons are registred ? I agree we should upstream our icons if we follow their guidelines. Then we should'nt follow Gnome HIG because we can upstream to them, it's the wrong way : we should decide whether Gnome icon style could fitt well in LibO (and not only in Gnome, but on Windows, Mac OSX, other Linux interfaces ...), and we should think also at the Kde ones, Ubuntu ones, Elementary ones, or entirelly new ones... We should then make some exemple of icons for each style, just for style (always the same symbol), and make it voted by the community (it's just design, not ergonomy actually, and everyone shoudl be able to express his thoughts because some will find some icons sexy, other will hate them etc, we need something that please most people, as this is something you have all the time you use the software -not as spplash screen, about screen etc-. Maybe using Userweave as we did previously to have the maximum number of feedback). Personnaly, I think the Gnome monochrome icons really do'nt look professional, but more like toys, too much rounded to fit with any interfaces. But as I sayed, it's just my thoughts. Kévin 2013/2/21 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote: Sure we need ones, at least for designing the icons. I think we all agrea on this. We should descuss what the guidelines should be for the flat icon set. I think what I proposed earlier would be a good start, but we need to discuss it. It'd be good to stick to Gnome's icons so that we could push our icons upstream. Barbara (aka. stereotype) lays out some good guidelines [1]: (1) make shapes nice and clean (align to the grid) (2) stick to the unifying look (metaphor if possible should be the same as in the full-color set, unless revision of the metaphor is desired) (3) omit the details if they are not crucial for the distinction of the icon (exaggerate only the defining detail) (4) use standard icon names (for example use dashes for separate levels of specificity) (5) balance between the outcome in 16x16 and scaled up dimensions (6) simplify for readability (in the 16x16, the same icon may change from perspective to straight-on) Also, Jakub Steiner has a good video on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpTHXEUTesA . [1] http://gnome-stereotype.tumblr.com/post/24527823550/symbolic-icons-week-two -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Hy Heiko, As I sayed, I changed my mind while color coding the icons, I don't think any more it's such useful (also, if someone really think it's an important thing, only user testing can help us). Anyway, I think having more than one color in the icon palette is important, monochrome would be wrong : LibO is a software with A LOT of icons, and colors (no mater which ones) will help differentiate each of them. It's not like a file explorer toolbar, with few icons, where it's easily possible to choose monochrome. There are plenty of icons (useful or not, it's another subject). So I'm really sure we should use colors. I also think few icons could be color coded, as insert table in writer should be green (the traditional color of tables (excel, calcs etc), but that's a detail. Then, about the icon guidelines, As I sayed to Mirek, we shouldn't choose if we use Gnome ones, Elementary ones, Ubuntu Ones etc, but let users choose that by a survey. Because if surveys are useless for ergonomy (user always choosing , for pure design it helps to know what final user find sexy or not. I would like to have Bjoern thoughts on this, so I CC him. Kévin Le jeu. 21 févr. 2013 10:58:12 CET, Heiko Tietze a écrit : I was looking at the colored version trying to figure out what information the color provides. On the first glance it looks like an application of the four color theorem . IMHO, the content code by citrus is not intuitive. Actually, I wonder what happens to the icon of a deactivated/disabled button. Does its gray shade fades out further? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Flat-Symbolic-Icons-Update-tp4038749p4039098.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
2013/2/21 Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com Kévin PEIGNOT-3 wrote Hy Heiko, As I sayed, I changed my mind while color coding the icons, I don't think any more it's such useful (also, if someone really think it's an important thing, only user testing can help us). Anyway, I think having more than one color in the icon palette is important, monochrome would be wrong : LibO is a software with A LOT of icons, and colors (no mater which ones) will help differentiate each of them. It's not like a file explorer toolbar, with few icons, where it's easily possible to choose monochrome. There are plenty of icons (useful or not, it's another subject). So I'm really sure we should use colors. I also think few icons could be color coded, as insert table in writer should be green (the traditional color of tables (excel, calcs etc), but that's a detail. Then, about the icon guidelines, As I sayed to Mirek, we shouldn't choose if we use Gnome ones, Elementary ones, Ubuntu Ones etc, but let users choose that by a survey. Because if surveys are useless for ergonomy (user always choosing , for pure design it helps to know what final user find sexy or not. I would like to have Bjoern thoughts on this, so I CC him. Kévin To anticipate Bjoern: we'd please to support you :-). But what do you expect from a survey? Methodologically, one should draft a hypothesis, find questions to reject (sic!) it, and give alternative hypothesis the opportunity to promote. If you ask users whether or not they like flat/gray icon design you will get strange and less meaningful results. If you run an icon test (as introduced by User Weave) gray icons will get lower values - they are not known yet and lack of the color identifier. For instance, we compared Gnome users to KDE users in our last study and their preferences for icons of both set (actually we examined a set and asked afterwards about OS). It's not what we discuss in detail but basically Gnome users make advantage of Tango icons and KDE of Oxygen. Please treat this as just my impression but statistical proved results. Finally, you could let users compare sets. That's possible, but is this really the question you ask? Yes that's it (sorry, My english is clearly horrible) The idea of the test wouldn't be to ask users if they like or not the flat icon set. It would be to present them a few icon sets in situation, perhaps as if it was screenshots, something like that : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test.png : a few icons you see often. We would present them all on the same screen, maybe aligned one below the other, and we ask them which one they prefer, (generally speaking, not for a special OS), or to put a note to each one. We should have Gnome styled icons, maybe KDE styled icons, flat monochromes ones, flat colored ones, maybe flat icons less rounded, maybe Faenza ones etc , and actuals icons maybe etc (this is too choose later), but for each design, the same icons, with the same symbol have to be used, just the design change. I'm not surprised Gnome users prefer Gnome icons, KDE users KDE icons etc etc. But we don't have to choose the icon set for Gnome users, not anymore for KDE users or Unity users. But for all our users. That's why we should make a public survey (just my idea). Then (just a though, you know this lot better than me if it's useful and possible), ask also each user what OS they use, to be able to ponderate the results according to our representative users (If 90% of the answers came from Gnome users, we should discriminate these ones and ponderate users of Windows, as it's our most important OS (in term of number of users). Actually, my question was about the new set in respect to the disabled state, i.e. when controls and icons are grayed out. Regardless from any design aspect - that's your expertise - I wonder if pure gray is applicable at all. You might convince me with the argument (and perhaps a picture) that buttons/icons get a shadow in light gray which is well perceptible... Honnestly I'm not sure, but I think, that as these icons are disabled, it's not very important if the color isn't there any more, and we just have a lighter grey : the user shouldn't have to use it. Then, removing the color would put in evidence even more the icon is disabled. If you want I will do a picture soon (I can't today), with active and inactives icons. Kévin -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Flat-Symbolic-Icons-Update-tp4038749p4039133.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Le 20/02/2013 21:35, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello all, Thank you for the responses and the comments. Apologies for the long catchall email. Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on February 19, 2013 9:51 PM: Must say I love that, even if I liked symbolic colors too, as Mirek proposed some times ago (blue for text related ones, green for images related etc etc). Anyway, I think these icons can really be great, and after having a complete set and doing some user testing, maybe we should set them as future defaults ones. We could definitely try that :) I'm relaly not a good icon designer (really bad to be honest), but with the svg of the icons I will try to color code them too, because I really think this can be a great user friendl (and pretty too) icon set Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote on February 19, 2013 10:33 PM: PS: I'd have smthg else than a drawer as the Save icon, but well... This is the current icon for the save on Linux. The Windows version will still use the floppy disk icon and the Mac will use... whatever it currently uses. I decided to keep the same metaphor of the current icons whenever possible following advice from Stereotype, a GSoC GNOME icon designer (she designed symbolic versions of Inkscape and GIMP icons among others). Thibaut Brandscheid wrote on February 19, 2013 11:06 PM: Areas of concern: * Icon shape starts at different highs (the printer button is higher then the new-file button...) I'll take that into account. * Icon lines are too thick and make them look a bit blurry * The icons are a bit too round for my taste As for these unfortunately as we are trying to follow a set style we can't change them much. But all I can say is that the final versions should render better. Axel wrote on February 20, 2013 4:12 AM: You made the samples using the large version of icons and this is ok for now, but when creating the final icons, we must be sure they look very well at small size. Noted, thanks for the reminder :) From my point of view, if everyone agree we need a colored version, I think our next step is to select the colors we want to use. The ones used in this mockup look somehow sad for my taste. What do you think? Well I simply picked LibreOffice primary colors to tie it closer to the brand. We could use the brighter variations. As I sayed earlier, the exact color is just a question of design, the approximative one is about ergonomy. And since we will have the SVGs, it will be easy to pick the perfect sexy color for each chosen icon. When this step is done, we should discuss the symbols that we think could be improved or we agree they have problems. (How do you think is easier to track the discussions around each icon? Should we create a new thread for any icon we want to analyze/debate? Or maybe is better to work in wiki pages to see together the icons, their history and the related comments?) We've discussed this in the last meeting and Mirek is currently trying out other more practical setups. You can find the log here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-02-16 ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Hy every one I tried to color code icons, according to this old Mirek proposal : http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/color-codes/ , and using black when the icon has a too general purpose. The result is here (it's based on Issa mock-Up). Personnaly, I'm not any more convinced that having color coded icons would be such a big step forward. But I would to share something I though while doing this. No mater if icons are not color coded, having bicolor icons (exceptionnaly three MAYBE) could really be great, thinking this way : - each icon should be based on grey, - each icons should have a second color as soon as it can helps understanding the meaning of an icon. Example : Bold icon do not need to be bicolor, but landscape/portrait page yes. - The color should be applicated to the most important, significative part of an icon. In the case of Portrait/Landscape mode, the new orientation would be colored, the old one staying grey. Having just one other color by icon make : - LibreOffice being more differentiated from the concurrency (Gdocs etc) - Staying clean (less colors by icons, more clean, personal filling that seems confirmed by the massive use of monochrome designs (Unity top bar (indicators), MAC OS X, Gdocs, Windows 8 etc etc) - Help to understand what an icon do. What do you think about these design rules Kévin Le mer. 20 févr. 2013 22:14:33 CET, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Kevin, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on February 21, 2013 12:02 AM: I'm relaly not a good icon designer (really bad to be honest), but with the svg of the icons I will try to color code them too, because I really think this can be a great user friendl (and pretty too) icon set Oh sorry, here is the SVG https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test.svg ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يح تويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Must say I love that, even if I liked symbolic colors too, as Mirek proposed some times ago (blue for text related ones, green for images related etc etc). Anyway, I think these icons can really be great, and after having a complete set and doing some user testing, maybe we should set them as future defaults ones. Le mar. 19 févr. 2013 19:49:27 CET, Daniel A. Rodriguez a écrit : 2013/2/19 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello world, So on last Saturday's meeting we've decided to revive the flat icons by expanding on GNOME symbolic icon set to include LibreOffice icons. This would be way faster than starting from scratch and would help us gain a unified look on GNOME and a clean modern look on other platforms :) Before we get any further with them I wanted to see what people thought of the idea so I mashed together the buttons for the main toolbar https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test.png Since we don't necessarily want to go monochrome we can have our own colored version of them as well https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test-colored.png (As of now these icons won't be replacing anything, they will merely be an available alternative.) Niiccee!!! :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Escuelas Libres :: Porque la educación es mucho mejor cuando es libre www.escuelaslibres.org.ar --- Para entrenar, cualquier programa sirve. Para educar, sólo Software Libre. (Federico Heinz) --- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Hi All I (finally) found the proposal by Mirek for Color coded icons (included in the fabulous Citrus UI proposals) : http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/color-codes/ I would like to know what people think of this idea. As I already sayed long time ago, I personnaly think this adition could help find the icon/fonction users are searching more easily. Anyway, If some people think the idea is good, we could complete the flat icon set (maybe reusing some of the faenza icons), then make user testing with this color coded option. Kévin Le mar. 19 févr. 2013 21:36:52 CET, Emir Yâsin SARI a écrit : Looks absolutely fantastic! -Emir 19 Şub 2013 tarihinde 22:06 saatinde, Thibaut Brandscheid şunları yazdı: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sawrote: Before we get any further with them I wanted to see what people thought of the idea so I mashed together the buttons for the main toolbar https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test.png Since we don't necessarily want to go monochrome we can have our own colored version of them as well https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Symbolic-test-colored.png ++ They look better then the current ones but the LO UI feels still cluttered with so many icons displayed. Areas of concern: * Icon shape starts at different highshttp://ubuntuone.com/70gT9RcCdaGO2GIcHYsxjn(the printer button is higher then the new-file button...) * Icon lines are too thick and make them look a bit blurry * The icons are a bit too round for my taste * The UI of the drowdown menu feels out of place (all those thin lines) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat/Symbolic Icons Update
Hi Axel, Emir Yâsin, All, You're right, having the possibility to contrast the icons is a good think. What we could do, keeping the color coded style, is having basic color as the same warm grey for each icon, and the importants elements of the icon colored. Exemple : take the proposal of landscape/portrait mode here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode. Having the old orientaion in grey, and the new colored (following Mirek colors, it would be old page grey, new page blue (colors idea here http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/color.png). I will make an exemple this evening, there I'm at the office and can't design anything. But with all the icons being in svg, it should be really easy to do this (change/add colors). Then for the organisation. At the beginning of the flat icon set proposal, it worked like this : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Design_process. I think it was quite a good organisation, except we should add that skipping an icon and returning later should be considered as really exceptionnal (or we will finis with hundreds of icons to return ...) Emir, I don't know at all how retina displays work, but for sure, as the icons are SVG, they are easily scalable, without being blured. Maybe it can be enough, this is something to test. Kévin 2013/2/20 Emir Yâsin SARI bitig...@me.com Thanks Alex. Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention: New icons should also be Retina Display compatible. It would cause quite a frustration if new icons looked blurry on new Mac displays. Just a reminder. Apple provides optimization guides on these links: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/GraphicsAnimation/Conceptual/HighResolutionOSX/Optimizing/Optimizing.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012302-CH7-SW1 http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/userexperience/conceptual/applehiguidelines/IconsImages/IconsImages.html But I think these are already scalable, so if someone with a Retina display could test it, that'd be great. And Issa, thanks again for the great mock-ups. Best regards, Emir 20 Şub 2013 tarihinde 03:12 saatinde, Axel şunları yazdı: Issa, nice work. My first choice goes to the colored version. As additional argument, I was knowing that our brain is built to recognize the colors faster than the symbols and then symbols faster than text. If all the symbols have the same color, you need to decipher the meaning of few symbols to pick the one you want. So, ++ for colors from me. You made the samples using the large version of icons and this is ok for now, but when creating the final icons, we must be sure they look very well at small size. Emir, I agree with all your areas of concern and I think we'll resolve these step by step. Kevin, it is a good idea to have color coded icons, but there is a catch: sometimes is better to create contrasts to highlight the significant element of an icon even if this requires to drop a rule you'd like to keep. For example, look at Spelling and Grammar / Auto Spellcheck icons. The only difference between them is that tiny underline. What if the first icon has the check mark gray? Maybe this is not the best example because here could be a better solution to differentiate, but the basic idea is this should be judged from case to case. From my point of view, if everyone agree we need a colored version, I think our next step is to select the colors we want to use. The ones used in this mockup look somehow sad for my taste. What do you think? When this step is done, we should discuss the symbols that we think could be improved or we agree they have problems. (How do you think is easier to track the discussions around each icon? Should we create a new thread for any icon we want to analyze/debate? Or maybe is better to work in wiki pages to see together the icons, their history and the related comments?) Axel On 19.02.2013 22:45, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: Hi All I (finally) found the proposal by Mirek for Color coded icons (included in the fabulous Citrus UI proposals) : http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/color-codes/ I would like to know what people think of this idea. As I already sayed long time ago, I personnaly think this adition could help find the icon/fonction users are searching more easily. Anyway, If some people think the idea is good, we could complete the flat icon set (maybe reusing some of the faenza icons), then make user testing with this color coded option. Kévin Le mar. 19 févr. 2013 21:36:52 CET, Emir Yâsin SARI a écrit : Looks absolutely fantastic! -Emir 19 Şub 2013 tarihinde 22:06 saatinde, Thibaut Brandscheid şunları yazdı: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sawrote: Before we get any further with them I wanted to see what people thought of the idea so I mashed
Re: [libreoffice-design] RE: What Happened to the Flat Icon Set
The Flat icon set was not intended to be exactly monochrome. In fact, each icon would be monochrome, for example, text related icons would be blue, image related would be green etc etc. I do not find any more the proposal (seems it was mirek that made most of it), but I relly liked the idea. 2013/2/16 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa Hello Lirodon, Sorry for the blank email earlier. Lirodon wrote on February 15, 2013 4:20 AM: A flatter icon set could look good on Windows 8 too, primarily because of the generally flatter look everywhere. But don't make things too flat and boring: remember when everyone complained about how Visual Studio 2012 looked in early builds before they changed the monochrome icons to subtle colored ones? -Shawn I'm not inherently against colors. We can easily make flat icons with colors in mind, just keep them clean and minimalistic :) ___ Regards, Issa Alkurtass Motah Program, KACST Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] 4 4.0 branding polls and votes
It's every thing on Google Docs actually, it's been created to start from scratch ^^ I now it's not free, but it's there ! Le jeu. 31 janv. 2013 19:06:20 CET, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : Sorry to interfere but... WTF? Where are we supposed to vote? I can see currently 4 different offers and options: -- replying to some msg in this list -- contributing to an online poll papillon -- another online poll at googledocs (WTF? again) -- a poll through a blog I won't tell my preference, but it obviously goes to some Free tool :) Well... 4 is 3 too many, don't you think so? As all this can only lead to frustration, I'd suggest to start all that again from scratch on a dedicated page somewhere with clear and precise instructions. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 4.0 Branding poll
I didn't Vote 3 or -3 I downvoted 1 which made -3 when added to -2 sorry ! 2013/1/29 Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is Hi, methink the accounting system is a bit lame ;-) +1: Mateus.m.luna Clear_Green_Official (the green could be darker) +1: Minimal by Medieval* (the green could be darker) +1: ages by Medieval* (the green could be darker) +1: Alexander Wilms (both greens top-right in the new SVG) +1: G Sparks (I like the typographic motif) -1: Aexyn.com -1: V1 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila +/-1: H.Sparks (if substituting for official motif) +/-1: Maxim Darák (could work if not too big) +/-1: GIn-V1 by k-j (would swap sides of the logo) Best regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Roadmap
Hi HIllar ! I must say a roadmap is a good thing but. Then, for me, this page is sort of a roadmap : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards . Maybe it's just not enought clear ? I'm not very active because I'm very active on others fronts theses days, but I went on this page and immediately knew what was happening in design team. Maybe we should try to make this page more visible for others teams ? For the voting system ... Yes I agree, I'm one of the idiots who voted the wrong way ... I will revote correctly, but sure Mailing List is NOT the good way. I must say I like the framapad option then, even if there isn't -1 possibility. Kévin Le mar. 29 janv. 2013 19:39:10 CET, Hillar Liiv a écrit : Hi, Isn't it great if we had something called like roadmap? This is great way to show people what we are plannin, what we are working and what are our goals in future. What is roadmap? Roadmap is basicly a list where we hold our workitems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_roadmap (not best description what I have on my mind) There is something called Analyses and Whiteboards but not as creatly summarized. Idea came because other teams really don't know what we are up to. It will give other teams better ide what we are doing... Great example. http://redmine.yorba.org/projects/shotwell/roadmap Missing categories (like call for proposals, looking for developers, under development etc). Ideas? And we need better voting system and earlier end dates - no need this happening again. Just an idea, Cheers, Medieval -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 4.0 Branding poll
Hello! Branding from version 3.6: 0 Proposal by Aexyn.com: 0 + V1 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -1 - V2 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -3 - V3 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -3 - GIn-V1 by k-j: -2 GIn-V2 by k-j: -2 Minimal by Medieval: -1 ages by Medieval: -1 Proposal by Pedro: -3 Clear_Full_Official.png by Mateus.m.luna: -1 Clear_Full_Pref.png by Mateus.m.luna: 1 Clear_Green_Official.png by Mateus.m.luna: -1 Clear_Green_Pref.png by Mateus.m.luna: -1 Proposal by Alexander Wilms (original PNG): 0 Proposal by Alexander Wilms (at the right of the new SVG): -1 Proposal by Maxim Darák: 1 Proposal by H.Sparks: -1 Proposal by G Sparks: -3 Voted ! But I can't see any proposal at the right of the new SVG of Alexander I voted for Maxim Darák, Clear_Green_Official.png by Mateus.m.luna and Proposal by Pedro. I downvoted Alexander Wilms proposal, Proposal by Aexyn.com. Hillar aka Medieval -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: The Tango Save Icon (Cabinet v/ Diskette) Under Discussion Again
For me, the harddisk instead of file-cabinet based icon is the good solution. The disquet is Okay for me even it's not any more intuitive (5 year of Humanity icon theme, which I adapted really, really, really fast (faster than Windows Seven one that I use at work). I think this option should be tested too, with the too others. Tested with user or other software, and, if possible, totally beginner with computer. Sorry for not being so much present this times I'm always running ... Kévin 2013/1/11 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Stefan Knorr (Astron)-2 wrote I guess we need to discuss reverting to the diskette icon... What do you think? I think it should have never changed. Just because you can change something it doesn't mean that you should. The Floppy is the universal (in software, obviously) symbol for Save. In addition it doesn't make sense to follow the Tango icon theme rules and ignore a basic one... Just my 2 (non-designer) cents. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Tango-Save-Icon-Cabinet-v-Diskette-Under-Discussion-Again-tp4028279p4028443.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] export HTML
Hi Rob I must say you're right : Having just the name of Netscape is obviously ridiculous today. And that's right too : HTML today is very well normalized, so I think this option isn't useful anymore. Maybe you don't know, but there is actually work for redesigning options dialog (see there http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Analyses/Global_Options) but I do not see anything concerning HTML compatibility. I think it should be added in the list as unnecessary. Kévin 2012/11/4 Rob Snelders libreoff...@ertai.nl Hi all, The export-option in the options-dialog - Load/Save - HTML-compatibility states that you can save for LibreOffice Writer, Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator. Looking at the code that states Netscape 4-compatibility. But has this still any value? As the browsers are for basic HTML compatible for some years. I think that the Netscape output also works in Internet Explorer. If it still has value then the name netscape navigator should change as less and less people know what Netscape is. This bug triggerd the question: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/** show_bug.cgi?id=56726 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56726 -- Greetings, Rob Snelders -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Need Developer Input about Options
Hi Mirek, Cor, All Here are my thougts on this options : 2012/11/2 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi Cor, On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Mirek, *, Mirek M. wrote (24-10-12 23:47) We're in the middle of our option analysis [1] and we'd like to know whether the following options are still needed and, if so, what their use cases are: - Screen font antialiasing (font size from which text should be antialiased) I guess this may be useful in case one works with some combination of remote desktop (eg thin client) and/or resolution. Alright. It doesn't seem to be vital to the software's usability, though, so I would mark it Advanced. I agree - E-mail client (why not just use the OS default?) There may be more choices for different use? Well, you can only choose a single client, so the OS default should do. Are there any cases where the OS doesn't allow the user to set a default, though? What does LibreOffice do then? I think LibO should display an error message explaining that the default e-mail client on the system is but can't be changed IF (only if) it detects others e-mail clients. Example : default mail-client is Outlook, but LibO detects Thunderbird is present. It asks the user if he wants to use the default one (Outlook) or one of the others ones. Of course, if the OS lets the user choose his default client, this option isn't useful. Then, I don't know any OSes that doesn't let the user choose that, and except if there is a really used one I think it would be a waste of time to develop that. - All the Database settings (no database users among designers, I'm afraid) Connections should be considered useful for connections over certain networks .. Databases ... just cannot be missed. Alright - Locale setting (why would a person not want to use the system default only in LibreOffice?) In situations where you work with people from different countries / locales etc. This just sets the default -- you're still able to work on documents in different languages. The user probably shouldn't change the LibreOffice settings every time he works on a document in a different language. (That would be especially tricky if he has several documents open, one in his native language, one in a foreign language, as these settings are global.) As you say, the user can change that for each document in the menu. So it should be present for users who works in an other language very often, but just in advanced options as the menu will is there for exceptional use. - Decimal separator key (in which cases is the locale setting not applicable?) Same.. Same. Same. - Default currency (in which cases is the locale setting not applicable?) - Default languages For the current document only (why not use ToolsLanguageFor All Text?) I'm not sure, but maybe the difference it that setting it for the document, makes styles behave as chosen, and that selecting and setting language has to be done over and again? On the other hand: the menu option is rather recent compared to the Option.. Is it ok to remove the option, then, since we have the Tools entry? (It would also mean we need to add CTL and Asian language to Tools.) As it's present somewhere else, it's not useful have it in generic options, but maybe in advanced one for people who do not think searching in the menu - Are there any options that aren't necessary for Japanese or for Complex Text Layout? None of us use these features, so we assume they're there for a reason and thus agreed to keep them. [1] http://wiki.** documentfoundation.org/Design/**Analyses/Global_Options http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Analyses/Global_Options Is it OK if I add some opinions on that page (again)? Post them here. :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Project Caretakers
Very good idea ! Kévin 2012/11/2 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org +1 Mirek Charles. Le 1 nov. 2012 22:56, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl a écrit : Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (01-11-12 00:19) [...] So, rather than owner, I'd prefer to use the term caretaker. The caretaker would: a) make sure that the work on the project is progressing smoothly b) provide updates about it at the weekly IRC chat c) be in charge of communication with developers and other relevant people/themes Anything I'm missing? I think it's a good list. Truly communicating to make the thing work, sounds as a key-task ( = a). The caretaker wouldn't make key decisions (those would be made on the IRC chat), and he wouldn't even have to do any design work on the project. It wouldn't even have to be a designer. What do you think? Sounds very good to me :-) Cheers, Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.org design%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/ http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New professional Impress Templates
Sorry I made a mistake the answer went just to you, not the entire design list , so I rewrite it there. Don't forget to post the link then to your template, to ask feedback ! Kévin Hi Kevin, thanx for this realy fast feedback. very good idea. i will place it on the wiki. best regards, dieter Am 18.10.2012 22:38, schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT: - masquer le texte cité - Hi ! First : thanks for these templates, they are really beautiful ! Then to answer your question I think : * If you prefer it to be tested, made better before being used by everyone, put it on the wiki, on your own page (create one if you don't have one : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Your_Name_Here ), and then ask on this list (for exemple) for feedback. * Else, if you wan't it to be used as soon as today, put it directly on the template repository : http://templates.libreoffice.org/ I hope this answer your question ! Kévin Le 18/10/2012 22:31, Dieter Strzempek a écrit : Hi everyone, first of all i'd like to introduce me: my name is dieter strzempek and i'm working for about 20 years as a designer. i've been using OpenOffice (and now LibreOffice) for a long time. now might be the moment to return something to the community. i created some new professional business templates for impress. here can you see the designs: https://plus.google.com/photos/110382231299068579423/albums/5798547161914657793 https://plus.google.com/photos/110382231299068579423/albums/5797731058923158881 now i'm looking for a place to upload the templates for testing. does someone have an idea, where the right place for this is? with best regards dieter -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New professional Impress Templates
Hi ! THe Design wiki is here : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design. Navigate inside you will find lot of things. There is no wiki dedicated to templates (as far as I know). But If someone wants to make a great quality template, reviewed by the Design List why not put it on his user page in the wiki to ask feedback ? Then users can have their own pages but : c'est pas à toi que je vais l'apprendre si t'es membre de l'équipe marketing ^^ Kévin Le jeu. 18 oct. 2012 22:42:39 CEST, Dieter Strzempek a écrit : Hi Kevin, thanx for this realy fast feedback. very good idea. i will place it on the wiki. best regards, dieter Am 18.10.2012 22:38, schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT: Hi ! First : thanks for these templates, they are really beautiful ! Then to answer your question I think : * If you prefer it to be tested, made better before being used by everyone, put it on the wiki, on your own page (create one if you don't have one : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Your_Name_Here ), and then ask on this list (for exemple) for feedback. * Else, if you wan't it to be used as soon as today, put it directly on the template repository : http://templates.libreoffice.org/ I hope this answer your question ! Kévin Le jeu. 18 oct. 2012 22:31:28 CEST, Dieter Strzempek a écrit : Hi everyone, first of all i'd like to introduce me: my name is dieter strzempek and i'm working for about 20 years as a designer. i've been using OpenOffice (and now LibreOffice) for a long time. now might be the moment to return something to the community. i created some new professional business templates for impress. here can you see the designs: https://plus.google.com/photos/110382231299068579423/albums/5798547161914657793 https://plus.google.com/photos/110382231299068579423/albums/5797731058923158881 now i'm looking for a place to upload the templates for testing. does someone have an idea, where the right place for this is? with best regards dieter -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Community meeting
I can't find when it happens so I can't confirm. But as I do not know when I will finish my job I just don't know Kévin 2012/10/14 Björn Balazs bjoern.bal...@user-prompt.com Hi all, who will be at the design community meeting on tuesday? I could come some time, but do want to be alone :) Cheers, Björn -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Community meeting
I will not be able sadly I will be working 2012/10/16 Björn Balazs bjoern.bal...@user-prompt.com Hi Kévin, all, we plan to do a design team meeting at about 15:00 today. If you - or any one else from the team - can make it, it would be great! Cheers, Björn Am Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2012, 09:40:45 schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT: I can't find when it happens so I can't confirm. But as I do not know when I will finish my job I just don't know Kévin 2012/10/14 Björn Balazs bjoern.bal...@user-prompt.com Hi all, who will be at the design community meeting on tuesday? I could come some time, but do want to be alone :) Cheers, Björn -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user- prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing- lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Participate and spread the word: 1st LibreOffice IconTest started
I just discovered I made a mistake in the translation (keyboard error). I can't correct in on userweave once survey started ? Kévin 2012/10/1 Björn Balazs bjoern.bal...@user-prompt.com http://userweave.net/survey/3e08ced54a0c4ae8855a8fbb2bd89441 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Testing LO Icons - translators needed!
Hy, I began french translation. I made everything except countries after B, I don't have time know, I will continue soon. There are an AMAZING number of countries on this planet ! But very good work on this study, and on Userweave it's a very very great platform ! I hope I will have time to help next time to prepare the study. Kévin Le mer. 26 sept. 2012 17:05:41 CEST, Björn Balazs a écrit : Hi all, we (some guys from the LO-Design team) are currently preparing a series of studies to have users judge the quality of the icons we use in LO. We would be very happy to publish these studies in as many languages as possible, as icons do have a cultural aspect to them, which we are also interested in. The preperation of the english version of the first study has finished, so now we need your help in translating the study! For any of the following languages translation is easy: French, Spanish, Polish, Portugees, Italian (English German already exist) If you are interested in providing any other language, please mail me directly - we will have to do some preperations for thoses (the platform does not provide a frame for other languages yet). For any available language you can simply do the translation directly on the webinterface. To do so, please first register as a member of our team: 1. Register on http://userweave.net (Please do not mind the ToS too much - these will be improoved together with the FSFE) 2. Confirm your E-Mail Adress 3. Go to 'Public products' and find LibreOffice. Click it and choose the tab 'Team' and hit the button 'become guest' 4. Send me a mail and I will approve you as a member of the team asap. To do the translation do the following: 1. Go to the LibreOffice Project on UserWeave 2. Click on Study - In Preperation - 201209_Icontest 3. Click on 'Configuration' in the tab bar (on the very right) 4. Click on languages (in the second tab-bar) 5. Click on 'Add language' on the bottom of the section 'Languages of study' and select the language you want to translate the study in. If your language is not available, send me a mail. 6. Click on on the button 'Translate' to start translating or improving an existing translation of the study. Some known issues / hints for translating: - There is a tiring list of countries - only translate those that people speaking your language are likely to live in. - To translate the icon terms, please use exactely the terms that LO translation is using. - When you take a look at the translation, the terms of the icons might show up in the language of your browser locale - not in the selected language. That is a known bug and should not affect the study. We want to start the study possibly on sunday - so not a lot of time for localizations! If it is too short for your language - do not worry, we will do more of these studies and no effort will be wasted, so please start anyhow :) (Following studies will copy most existing text) Please contact me for any questions! Thanks for your help! Björn -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android Remote icon
Hi every one I've an idea to propose, but I can't design it actually (I just moved home and I've a lot to do... more of that I've Internet only on my phone ...) The idea is to use the Impress Icon (red paper), but instead of a screen inside the paper, having buttons as we would have had in a TV command (4 or 5, just to understand it's a command app). This way, we would have the LIbreOffice Impress side (red paper) and the command side (with the buttons) in the same icon, it seems me easier for a beginner to recognize the app. What do you think ? Kévin Le mer. 12 sept. 2012 13:24:09 CEST, Alexander Wilms a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mirek, Sveinn, unfortunately I don't have the IRC log, hopefully Astron still has it. Anyway, I created the icon in Inkscape and I also watched that tutorial some time back. I knew that the Android guidelines recommended a tilted icon, but apparently I overdid it a bit. With less tilt it should look a bit better, too. @ Sveinn: The guidelines were the reason why I used perspective, to make it look similar to the system icons. I'll try green waves next. Thanks ALex -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQUHDQAAoJECO1/tAiWGrNvj8H/jCein4B2uQfhnwt8L9H/EDR 9pHJ80sX4JuXy4PzFRcpeTAXc8qLVPR0SmnW4+KDxKm25cE6xmeznvSXwfmIJx53 9w7Z9xEArtumZtQkzYXa/XBfj0BlfrZjXtkh6xOZPv6cqntBT54zCSbPGll3CdYR bNaKAFFCWW0EoOFE0Kh4QtwC7ZnJPBWZrjUOg16DRYUZOHmzOUw1t8yZhpryomFq X1xZyIFhZ4dNAjogq2y4Q8gM6K8NK3PHn9y+nfBJwb8G+aC0600xGNv3lCD9R4bz koCFw/UtTnYNiuCV+AkSaSaUO68Aq8VEIcZ/5nkylUHYBNfBeZzKbJkvxreCEy0= =wSv3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] features proposals to improve LibreOffice UI.
Hi : So point by point, here are my two cents : 2012/7/30 listas lis...@alphamatrix.org Here goes some features proposals to improve LibreOffice UI. I Wrote most of this a long ago for OpenOffice and the screenshots are really old but i think everything still apply to LibreOffice. - Create a popdown menu like the one of the new button but in the open button in which will apear the recently opened documents. Delphi and Lazarus(lazarus.freepascal.org) already have something like this.(screenshot atached) You can't attach screenshots (or others files) in mails sent to the mailing list, you must store them somewhere online (File server, Ubuntu One, Drop Box, Fileserve, or the best your own page on the LibO wiki), else we can't see it ! - join the alignment buttons in one button with a popdown menu like coler choser button. You also see this in WordPerfect. Personnaly, I don't use it a lot know that I use styles, but before I used them so much, I would prefer them to stay separated, (less clicks for a very used action - for me-) - Create themes for the organization of menus and buttons. Examples of themes could be: MS Offce, WordPerfect Office, OpenOffice.org, OpenOffice.org 1.x. This way people could change the layout to the one they are more used to, and the learning curve becomes small. WordPerfect Office already have something like this. I think this would be a lot of work, not so useful : Fw people would change (even know they can change) the order. Majority of people keep the default theme/ergonomy..., So I think designer and programmers' time would be best used by making the best default possible than making lot of themes - Make possible to dock some windows in the rigth or/and left side of the main window like in CoreDraw and like the screenshot that goes attached to this mail. One tab should be created automaticaly for each window and note like i did, I just created a toolbar. The left-sidebar of Konqueror also does this. Also make the options on the screenshot always available on the right side and remove them from the toolbar. I do not see exactly what you means, but with the very few I understood (or misunderstood), I think it can be a good thing. Could you join the screenshot as I explained earlier and give example of windows ? - Create something like Perfect Expert. What do you means ? - Rewrite the bibliography manager ui... Check Word 2007 bibliography manager as an example. I just agree it's a pain to use (I didn't used finally for my reports this year I've not been able to do what I wanted easily. Most of this feature are based in Corel WordPerfect Office(till 11, didn't tested lastest version) witch is much easy to use than MS Office, please look more to worperfect. I know people that used MS Offce some years and when started using wordperfect said that it is much easier. Lotus Symphony is a good example as well. Never tried Wordperfect, but my impressions on Lotus have been (on Linux, I heard it was better on Windows) : Good ideas, but bad implementation, not really finished, and slow. Now I only use and recoment LibreOffice but i miss some feature and usability. Sorry for my bad english but i'm Portugese. Don't be, I'm French and my english is worst han your's ! Best wishes xpete Kevin PS : Sorry for having been so long to answer : I finished studies, got a -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/features-proposals-to-improve-LibreOffice-UI-tp3998389.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Coloring in LIbreOffice
2012/7/20 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alexander I like the blue colors... An improvement IMHO, would be to have many sets of diagram colors. Today we have to pick each color and change it one by one. Like the wizzard, where you select the type of chart, another page could be set to choose the color set. I also like the idea of http://colorschemedesigner.com/ I love this website too, I use it a lot for presentation, reports ... I think we could integrate some colors schemes choosed with it. When I will have time (not soon sorry) I will try to convert some reports and presentations to templates (try, I'm a very bad user of templates, especially with impress), and post it on the template website. applied to Calc/Writer tables coloring ad other places too. And Impress of course ^^ Kévin regards Em 20-07-2012 07:34, Alexander Wilms escreveu: Hi everyone, I played a bit with diagrams and I think it would be an improvement if we disabled rounded edges by default, change the chart colors to be more uniform and maybe enable perspective rendering. Here's an example: http://ubuntuone.com/0EAkIYmqoUWv4iNXkShZBb Sadly, the lines on the Y-axis still seem to be a bit aliased. Your opinions? Alex - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Fundação responsável civilmente, de acordo com o direito civil Detalhes Legais: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQCTh9AAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxSIQH+QE4ojbD1GxiO+pq9Zui70VC q6Z80iKWCyNdlsF5IGhHDovUOhwMBZnEUW+eM6BxpZzQpuIF8w0OPHwckLtcgOdN tijjPsK1tY7GCEzM3w52vnDV6EIshOZbcPLqW3+qkPYAM0yA5WCuqaoOCK6WIBXR JKwpSgL2QNQyvhDGu/p5D8tOYo0nvezEUEPvPwlGCq9zPi8MTCkZrQvHqdBX9Y2t 4sfzJoA8jFrLFhKhKg+rcQ1hQajJ888zEJp5jTZl8txynCmnKo82iepdyZPU2DUH JqIFuizd3GyhAEYb0XKtmh1S4EA2whee0Zso7X4MbDdbookwQvkcu1By0rrLQks= =ohnd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Iphone 4 a zero Euro e 1000 minuti verso tutti. Fatti ricontattare Gratis
Scuse Me every One, I made a mistake by moderating this mail, which is spam. Kévin 2012/7/10, Vodafone Partner sim.pri...@libero.it: Questa è una parte di testo del messaggio. Viene mostrata agli utenti di vecchi programmi client di gestione e-mail -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Kévin PEIGNOT Envoyé via les google apps : gmail pour votre entreprise -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Idea for an new Undo/Redo Function
Hi ! I love the idea ! Then I think we still need a way to go back easily, just for one action, like if we made just a Ctrl+Z. Maybe this can be done by resistancy in the slider or buttons on the extremity (undo button on the left, redo button on the right). For me (correct me if I'm wrong) : - This is just for the toolbar (almost impossible to implement in the menu - This might take a lot of horizontal space, How could we minimize this effect ? Kévin 2012/7/1 pakohan patrick.ko...@googlemail.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOaTkxGWpyA Here is a video which should demonstrate what I mean. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Idea-for-an-new-Undo-Redo-Function-tp3993164p3993170.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Looking for devs on the G+ page
Le sam. 30 juin 2012 19:56:27 CEST, Mirek M. a écrit : On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, Jan (Kendy) suggested that we should try to find some developers who are willing to work closely with the designteam in order to get whiteboards turned into code faster than it's currently the case. We plan to post something on our G+ page, a very, very rough draft would be this: Are you a developer and scratch a certain design-related itch? We're looking for some people who are motiveted to work together with the design team in order to work on certain aspects of our UI [...] It'd be great if you could help wording this, add ideas etc. I'd like to get the message across that this would be all volunteer work, not a job ad. How about this: The same but with the use of the term look : LIbreOffice work and look better (I'm not a boss in English, but the idea is to have the idea of aspect in the same sentence.) A lot of people have been calling for a better UI for LibreOffice. For that to happen, we need interested developers. If you're a developer who's willing to volunteer his time in order to make LibreOffice work and look better, let us know in the comments below. It'd be your choice what to work on, and we'll design for pretty much anything. The changes have to be incremental, though, so no Ribbon UI. And if you're not a developer, please share. :) -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Looking for a new splash screen
Hi all I updated the Wiki Page to add a proposal : A color coded splash screen (based on Minty proposal by Astron) : - Progress bar use the color of the launched app: - Blue progress bar for Writer - Red progress bar for Impress - Yellow progress bar for Draw - ... - Grey progress bar for general LibO launch (LibO main window) - On Unofficial builds (Community builds), as with Astron's proposal, do not display The Document Foundation, and make the triangles grey. Excuse me for the designs, they aren't beautiful, but I used Inkscape for the first time (and I'm at work I don't have a long time) What do you think of : -Having a few differences whether we launch Writer, Calc, Main window... -This design ? Kévin 2012/6/8 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos fitosch...@gmail.com Nevermind, I’ve redone my design in SVG and uploaded the Inkscape source file. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos fitosch...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve submitted my first draft, but I made it in GIMP. Why is SVG required, if not to make raster images from it? I can upload my source .xcf, though, and later I can redo it in Inkscape. -- Fitoschido -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Looking for a new splash screen
2012/6/8 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr wrote: Hi all I updated the Wiki Page to add a proposal : A color coded splash screen (based on Minty proposal by Astron) : - Progress bar use the color of the launched app: - Blue progress bar for Writer - Red progress bar for Impress - Yellow progress bar for Draw - ... - Grey progress bar for general LibO launch (LibO main window) - On Unofficial builds (Community builds), as with Astron's proposal, do not display The Document Foundation, and make the triangles grey. Excuse me for the designs, they aren't beautiful, but I used Inkscape for the first time (and I'm at work I don't have a long time) What do you think of : -Having a few differences whether we launch Writer, Calc, Main window... That would probably take a while to code, so we probably wouldn't implement it that way. (Rather than spending time coding this, developers should be spending time making LibO start faster so it doesn't need a splash.) -This design ? I like it, though I still prefer my own. :) Usually I love mono-colored designs, but For a splash screen I must admit I prefer a colored one ^^ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Looking for a new splash screen
I don't really have time to design these days (nore I'm really good at that), but I found this motif http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a6/ScatterInContext_stream.jpgon the motif wiki page, and I think it's a really great basis. What do you think ? 2012/6/7 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi everyone, For the 3.6 release, we'd like to have a new splash screen, thus, if you're feeling creative, please submit designs in here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Playground/Splash_screen There are a few constraints: * add your entry until June 29, 2012, 0:00 GMT * please upload both your SVG source image and your exported PNG image * when uploading to the wiki, please choose the license combination CC-BY-SA/LGPL 3+/MPL 1.1, so we can immediately use the splash screen * use the official LibreOffice branding and colours [1] * if you make use of the full logo (document symbol + LibreOffice lettering), please make a submission with the official logo and another with the community logo * be conservative in restyling the progress indicator (details on what can be done are on the Playground page) A few recommendations: * make use of our motif [2] * make use of one of the flat logos [3] Bonus Points: * design a fitting Start Centre look, too (that's the thing that appears when no document is currently open) Prizes: * fame, but no fortunes, sorry May you all be very creative! Astron. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif [3] The new About dialogue in 3.6 uses a flat logo SVG, because LibreOffice's SVG code can't yet display the modern SVG logo right. It is not an option right now to use a PNG there in its stead. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Looking for a new splash screen
Thanks, I didn't see I made a mistake with the link ! ^^ Kévin 2012/6/7 Mark Morin mdmp...@gmail.com On 6/7/2012 7:24 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: I don't really have time to design these days (nore I'm really good at that), but I found this motif http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a6/ScatterInContext_stream.jpgon http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a6/ScatterInContext_stream.jpg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi Ubuntu wanted to make Windicators (indicators related to the current Window, included in the titlebar see here [1] and here [2], but no news since a long time. Maybe we should ask Canonical whether it will be done if it's the only distro/OS that as the problem. [1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators [2] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators/DanielsWindicators Kévin 2012/6/7 nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com Titlebar might not be the best place to move such an indicator to. Consider distros like Ubuntu that integrate the Titlebar into the top panel when window is maximized. Is there a reason to not have the Save Icon act as the indicator--it just won't work if it's an icon and therefore has to follow the icon rules? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:13:43 -0400 From: kohei.yosh...@gmail.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator On 06/04/2012 08:54 AM, nick rundy wrote: But you say it is not reliable to rely on the save icon to show modification status? That the status bar is a more accurate indicator of this? Yes. For now it's the indicator in the status bar. And (as I understand it) folks here are discussing about moving it to somewhere else to places such as the title bar. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design ethos
Hi all Quick speach to say it seems me a good idea. I'm sorry I don't have time to say more these weeks but I think they are good principles. Kévin 2012/6/6 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi everyone, Could we agree to use the Firefox UX principles [1] as the basis for our design ethos? I'd like to get this approved on the upcoming IRC chat. If you have any issues with it, please speak up. [1] http://uxmag.com/articles/quantifying-usability -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [Patch] Make new About dialogue a little nicer
Hi For me it's just great, I wanted to make a mock-up with the triangles motifs, you did it before. Really, I like it. If you can just make the trademarks a little bit darker (for people who do not have perfect eyes) Kévin 2012/6/4 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi, Since I noticed, the beta is supposed to be tagged today or tomorrow already and we in the Design team had talked about our new About thing a little... and I also don't seem to have anything to do... I made this patch for About. It does the following: * it removes the bevel from the SVG background * it removes the hardcoded button colour for the Website button (and also changes it's text, so it looks less like a link) * it unhides the Close button * it moves the button row below the copyright text Requisite screenshots: Before: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libreoffice-new-about-dialog.png After: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Modified-new-about-dialog.png I would be grateful if someone could take a look at this and commit it or well, not. Regards, Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] UX@LibreOffice Conference in Berlin?
Hi Björn, Hi all 2012/5/29 Björn Balazs b...@lazs.de Hi all, I think it is more than time to actually meet in person. So: who is coming to the LibreOffice Conference in Berlin? I would love that... But I don't know : I'm not even sure if I would have a job these times ! How do you like the idea of proposing a usability / ux track for the conference? Great idea, it could improve dev interest in design. Who would be interested in presenting something there? Nope, I'm not enough good nor involved these days. Kévin Cheers, Björn -- www.OpenUsability.org www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] User testing icons
Hi Björn, Stephan I agree it's sort of a must have to user test the icons. ACtually, I didn't have a lot of time (lot of work at school), and I will not be since end of May I think, but from time to time I +1 you !!! Kévin 2012/4/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi Björn, I am sorry, but again, I wont make it for the meeting today. The meeting is tomorrow, so if you could make it that would be great! But there is one thought I would like too add: You could shortcut a lot of discussions about how to make icons, if you simply user test them. In other words: create alternatives and let users decide which is the best. Sounds like a good idea to me but I am not very involved in making the new icon theme... Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC meeting this Saturday at 16:00 GMT
Hi everyone ! I will try to be there, but as I said in my previous mail about user tessting for icons, I'm very busy these times (and it will be like that until end of May). Hope I will be able to come ! Kévin 2012/4/6 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com channel: #libreoffice-design -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons
Hi
Even if I don't think it will reduce program code and make LibreOffice work
really faster, I think it's better use A just because we can't localize
icons for every language today, it's too much work.
Kévin
2012/4/6 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com
2012/4/5 ape os...@yandex.ru
Hi Mirek,
Replacing the letter A will be a big mistake.
It seems to me the letter A should be used in other themes. We can
delete
folders images.zip/cmd/{localy}, if we use the symbol A. This will
help
reduce the program code and the size of image's archives, and The
LibreOffice will work slightly faster than before.
I agree.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework
Hi Jonathan I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm not a programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of where is my file. For me, your solution is great but as an optional search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they need either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer. Kévin 2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing apps, I think i have developed a plan to move forward with being able to read and just open documents for starters. I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would search the system and just display all documents and file formats that can be opened by LO? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work
2012/4/2 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com Sorry, that's the correct link: http://wiki.** documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/Tablet_Writerhttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Tablet_Writer Am 02.04.2012 16:05, schrieb Alexander Wilms: Hi Jonathan, that sounds great! Here is a whiteboard regarding the design of a LibO tablet UI: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/File:**Insert_bar.pnghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Insert_bar.png Hope that helps Alex Am 02.04.2012 14:30, schrieb Jonathan Aquilina: I just got an email from Charles about you guys working on android specifications for what you would like in the UI. I have been communicating with Tor on the developers list as to how to go about getting what I have so far integrated into version control. Tor suggested we start with getting a UI together that works with MIME types to be able to open the files. Is this a good way to start? I have installed thinkfree office on my device so I have a clearer understanding of what I would need to do to move forward with reading files. Are the specifications listed anywhere so I can start following them? Regards Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work
Hi Mirek, I just had a look to your mockups for file manager on tablet UI,and I must say I like this one https://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/files1.png it seems me easy use, not cluttered... One thing that, I think, is missing is a way to distinguish/access files synced (Gdocs or other services) and maybe shared (by yourself or friend with you). What do you think about that ? I thought it could be in the same space, a line above (can't make mockups actually, I don't have the time, I will as soon as possible). Kévin 2012/4/2 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com 2012/4/2 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com I just got an email from Charles about you guys working on android specifications for what you would like in the UI. I have been communicating with Tor on the developers list as to how to go about getting what I have so far integrated into version control. Tor suggested we start with getting a UI together that works with MIME types to be able to open the files. Is this a good way to start? I have installed thinkfree office on my device so I have a clearer understanding of what I would need to do to move forward with reading files. Are the specifications listed anywhere so I can start following them? Hi Jonathan, You mean the file manager, right? No specs yet, though I started a whiteboard for this purpose [1]. It's not tablet-only, since a file manager would be helpful for the desktop version as well (especially since LibO is slowly getting into collaboration). It'd be helpful to know the scope from a development perspective. For example, should the design consider synchronization features (e.g. sync/collaboration for Google Docs) or is it too early for that? A while ago I made a mockup for what a file browser could look like on a tablet [2] -- maybe that could be of use to you? [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/File_Manager [2] http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/files1.png -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework
Yes it could to. Maybe it didn't even need to show the location if you don't ask it (having it in a file property dialog maybe) 2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com On 06/04/2012 18:42, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: Yes having the path can be a good solution. What could be done is to have your solution almost as actually, and maybe when a file is selected, showing its path on the top of the window (Something like that). Kévin Or a little text box on the bottom I think i need to get my android project into master branch then proceed from there. 2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.**comeagles051...@gmail.com On 06/04/2012 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: Hi Jonathan I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm not a programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of where is my file. For me, your solution is great but as an optional search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they need either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer. Kévin With my idea we could take it a step further and add a path to the file list to show the user where the file is stored. I am thinking out side the box here, since we dont want to be like other office suites which are available, but one that provides something the others would want to follow suite and adopt. 2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.com eagles051...@gmail.com After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing apps, I think i have developed a plan to move forward with being able to read and just open documents for starters. I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would search the system and just display all documents and file formats that can be opened by LO? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.libreoffi** ce.orghttp://libreoffice.org**design%2Bhelp@global.**libreo** ffice.org http://libreoffice.orgdesign%252Bhelp@** global.libreoffice.org design%25252bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how- **to-*http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-* ***http://www.libreoffice.**org/**get-help/mailing-lists/**how-to-**http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.**libr**eoffice.org/get-help/**http://libreoffice.org/get-help/** mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/http://www.** libreoffice.org/get-help/**mailing-lists/how-to-**unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundati**on.org/** ht**tp://documentfoundation.org/** http://documentfoundation.org/** ** Netiquettehttp://wiki.**docum**entfoundation.org/**Netiquettehttp://documentfoundation.org/**Netiquette **http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoff**ice.org/global/** design/ http://ice.org/global/design/http://libreoffice.** org/global/design/ http://libreoffice.org/global/design/ http://**listarchives.**libreoffice.org/**global/**design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/**global/design/ http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ ** All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffi** ce.org http://libreoffice.orgdesign%2Bhelp@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%252bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-* *** http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.**libreoffice.org/get-help/** mailing-lists/how-to-**unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundati**on.org/**http://documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoff**ice.org/global/design/http://libreoffice.org/global/design/ http://**listarchives.libreoffice.org/**global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives
Re: [libreoffice-design] Landscape, Portrait mode icons
It's far too late to answer, but I didn't had time before. My favorite one is the Mirek one with the doted line for the old orientation. I prefer this one because for me, having lines in the page is useless for this icon. Kévin 2012/3/27 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com what does any one think about the doted line behind the document in my icons. Does it seem to be too close together or is it good? On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion seems to have hit a dead end. Please add your voice. (Note that I amended my proposal with two variants of the previous state outline, the latest of which I prefer to the original.) 2012/3/18 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I like the pages of Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss -- namely the Landscape Mode and Portrait Mode icons [1]. There are two proposals this week. Please reply with likes and dislikes about both, the icons will be modified accordingly. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Call for proposals: New Document
Hi Mirek, I like your new document icon, but I think you should move a little the + logo (to have the same space horizontally and vertically between '+' logo and the document). I will try to make that this week (I'm one my tablet actually, in the train, it's impossible !) Kévin 2012/4/1 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I can see what Mirek is trying to say with confusing the icons with different function. we know what it stands for because the proposal is for a New Document icon. but new users may not understand what each icon means, and putting the logo into the icon makes it more easily understandable of what it does. I saw nothing wrong with Tobias icon till Mirek said that it could be a new rectangle or page. maybe it the icon had the fold in the page as we are all used to, but that may also be interpreted as a new page and not a new document. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] A Whiteboard template
+1. Sorry for today, I wasn't at home (I should have been but I had to help a friend.) I keep my choices as they are in the doodle ! Kévin 2012/4/1 Ross juniorr...@gmail.com +1 On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Today's IRC meeting has come to the conclusion that the Whiteboards we have need unified structure, one that is easy to look through for both developers and designers, one that's not too wordy, and one that can hold multiple proposals for solutions to the problem the Whiteboard deals with. We've also agreed that the whiteboard should be a place for describing the problem and proposed solutions only, while all comments, thoughts, and debate should take place on the mailing list. The tentative proposal for the template is at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#Tentative_Whiteboard_Template . Please respond to this message with comments, suggestions, or simply a +1 -- I'd like to get this wrapped up by the end of next week so that we can get started with cleaning up the current whiteboards. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ross Baker r...@addnetcs.com 876-413-8238 JM 954-399-2701 US Facebook https://www.facebook.com/addnetjamaica -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC chat tomorrow from 14:00 GMT
Thanks, registred in My agenda! 2012/3/31 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com Alright, thx Am 31.03.2012 19:22, schrieb Mirek M.: Channel: #libreoffice-design -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Design team IRC chat
I'm sorry I will not be there (I organize a party tonight I will try to come but I'm almost sure I will not have time...) Sorry ! Le ven. 23 mars 2012 12:55:13 CET, Alexander Wilms a écrit : OK Am 22.03.2012 23:53, schrieb Mirek M.: I propose we have the first meeting this Saturday at 18:00 GMT, since that's the time that most of us will be available. Let's use the #libreoffice-design channel, so that we don't disturb the #libreoffice channel. OK? -- *Kévin PEIGNOT* peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] First Tabbed Interface Mockup
Hi Magie, Mirek Personally, I would love having tabs, but we must provide a way not to use tabs. I like the Firefox/Chrome/others possibility to drag tabs out of the tab bar, to have a separate window. Then it must not be the only way to do that, because drag and drop, even very easy and intuitive, isn't discoverable at all. Maybe an otpion by right-clicking the tab ? So to answer your thought Mirek : 2012/3/21 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi Maggie, Thanks for the proposal. One of the reasons why office suites in general have been hesitant to support tabs is because it's not really meant for that workflow -- a user is likely to work on one or two documents at a time or two documents side-by-side, and it's a waste of memory to open a large number of documents and only use one of them. Rather than using tabs, I would love to implement something along the lines of the Gnome Overview [1], which is going to replace tabs in Epiphany. It makes getting to any document simple, especially simple for recent documents, but also lets you focus on the current document. Personally, I would prefer tabs, but I can't assure that, as I didn't tried something like that, and don't visualize what Gnome overview will be. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to having tabs in LibreOffice as long as: - the tab bar is hidden by default, only shown when you have 2 tabs or more Obviously, elsewhere it would clutter the interface for absolutely nothing - the tab bar appears as part of or just below the title bar (like Chrome), I agree too. Chrome designers did this because the adress/search bar, buttons (back/next/reload...) refer to the content of the tab, not all tabs together, so the tabs must contain the buttons -- Tabs have to be above the buttons. It's the logical way, Firefox and others made this too since. able to contain tabs from any LibreOffice module Right, this is the second reason why tabs have to be above the buttons : you don't have the same toolbars in writer than in calc, even between two writer sessions, you don't have the same toolbar, to follow what is selected (picture -- picture toolbar, table -- table toolbar ). It will be the same with your proposals if I remember (Citrus). Having the tab above the buttons, you don't change anything above tabs, except window name. - there is no tab management -- the user just shouldn't have many tabs open (he can't work on 12 documents at once); not even Chrome manages multiple tabs What you mean by tab management ? - tabs are always docked on top -- if they could be docked anywhere, it would be an unnecessary complication for both developers and UI designers and wouldn't really provide much advantage to the user. I'll bring up Chrome again -- it experimented with side tabs, but dropped the feature because it wasn't working well enough. But since people are not going to have 20 LibreOffice tabs open, we really don't need a tab sidebar. I agree. If this is really wanted, I'm sure an extension will appear for that someday. But I don't think it will be very asked. More of that, I think it would be great to have a way to add tabs : Here are some ideas : - *+* button when the tab bar is displayed ; - New tab item in file menu ; - In the new file window, an option to open the file in a new tab. If we have an empty tab (using the new tab item in the file menu maybe), we could integrate the new file dialog in the tab (I will try to make a little mock-up soon), but I think you imagine what I mean. Feedback appreciated ;) Kévin [1] https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Web 2012/3/21 King Duck rotteneo...@gmail.com Hello everyone. I have been working on a simple mockup for tabs in LibreOffice. I checked some past suggestions in Bugzilla for tabs in LO. LO and Office 2007 (along with 2010) have support for tabs but only with add-ons. I think that implementing tabs into LO would help attract more users. The convenience of having multiple tabs in one window instead of having to shift between several separate windows is a feature which I feel would be appreciated by many users. I have used Office Tabs and despite it being rather limited it improved my user experience with Office 2007 by allowing me to easily shift between several documents. Some potential ideas: * Tab positioning _ Positions tabs at the top, bottom, left, or right of the page; controlled according to what the user wants Pro: Tab position is left in control of the user so that zie can show zir's tabs in location most convenient to user Con: Could potentially overshadow panels (if implemented) * List tabs button _ Shows all tabs which are open in the current application; Useful for when 4+ tabs (at least) are in use Pro: Multiple tabs easily seen by user without having to take up too much screen space Con: Tab list could end up excessively long and require scrolling on part of user *Sort tab order _ Order
Re: [libreoffice-design] Wanted! Moderators for this mailing list :-)
Hi Christoph It's great to be able to help this list to live ! Kévin 2012/3/20 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Mirek, Kévin, Jay! Wow, thanks a lot for your really quick (and positive) replies concerning the moderator question. Since you three answered mostly independently, I'll answer commenting my own mail ... :-) Personally, I think having three moderators in total is very fine for this kind of list (medium volume). One of the reasons is, that every moderator will be noticed about pending mails ... so work might be doubled in rare cases. So I propose (please object if you think that is wrong) to add Mirek and Kévin (being the first two who replied). Jay, thanks a lot for your offer as well! The next steps are: I will send a mail with your names attached to the moderator list. One one the admins will take care that you get added - then you will get mails from the mailing list system containing the message of the (unsubscribed) poster. If everything is clean (subject, poster address, content - if readable - because there are sometimes strange encoding issues) then you reply to this mail to let it go through. It would also be helpful to send a mail to the poster to tell him that he isn't subscribed - so he won't notice any replies to his mail (because these will go to the mailing list only). Furthermore, you'll get added to the internal moderators list. Very rarely, it is meant to inform you about updates / or you might get in touch with other moderators. Again, thanks for joining! Christoph Am Donnerstag, den 15.03.2012, 21:40 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi everyone, I'm currently too lazy to send mails to this list, but others are not (and this is great to see) ;-) As a consequence, it happens that non-subscribed posters do send mails to this list - those mails need to wait in the moderation queue. Since I've noticed that I'm not on my computer every day, help for the moderation stuff is highly appreciated. After Bernhard left, I'm the only one moderating those mails ... and therefore some kind of single point-of-failure. So is there anybody willing to jump in as well? I think one or two people joining would be cool! Currently we have approx. 5 ... 10 mails / week - so no worry about the workload. Quite the opposite - if mails get through quicker and posters are informed earlier about the required subscription, it really eases communication. And moderating is rather simple - the mailing list system sends a mail and asks for a reply. If send, it gets through, and if you don't reply, then ... okay you've got the point. Thanks! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons
Hi Yes we could, but : - We have to do this for EVERY ICON - We must try for each icon, each language, to be sure it's great looking ... Then, with using B,U and S for each language, the advantage is it's the same letter than it is in keyboard shortcut (at least it is in french instead of G, S and I ) But even with that, I stay for using A for every icon today, and then, someday, when major problems are solved, introduce this (little) feature. Kévin 2012/3/16 Ivan Silva Lago Filho ivan...@gmail.com As I said before and got no response, we could take the A samples and dinamically modify the contents of the tspan tag according to the language, since SVG is XML-based. 2012/3/16 Sabin Densmore sa...@onegecko.com Good point, sorry about that. At any rate, I'm not convinced that a single letter -- upper- or lowercase -- is clear enough for a couple of reasons: 1. Iconography -- which is what an abstract uppercase A really is -- can be more confusing than language unless that icon is really clear. 2. The difference between the A when capitalized bolded is not clear enough in most fonts that would look good on an interface. It's a really subtle change. That said, consistent order in the placement of the images, immediate feedback, and familiarity with the system(s) will probably be enough to override the above, but I think it's worth noting just for the sake of discussion, anyhow. Whatever font is currently used for international symbols and signs, though, might be the place to start. - sabin On 3/15/2012 3:56 AM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Þann fim 15.mar 2012 03:55, skrifaði King Duck: I think it's because the words for bold and italic change depending on the language. If you just use a character and show the effect, it tells the user what it does without having to refer to a specific word. ~ Maggie On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Sabin Densmore sa...@onegecko.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, is there a particular reason we're not using B and I to indicate Bold and Italic? I don't care either way, but am curious as to why. For what it's worth, Thunderbird (what I'm using now) uses a capital letter A. It's just hard to tell the difference between an italic A and a non-italic A. - sd I've responded to a similar question before: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg03712.html Saw also that someone asked why not use lowercase letters. It's the same principle; uppercase *A*, /A/ and _A_ should be recognisable as *pictograms* representing the first letter of the Latin alphabet. There is a reason why signs read EXIT and not Exit at international airports - and also why those are progressively being replaced by symbolised person/arrow/door. Just thoughts. Sveinn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons
Hi everyone Sorry to have been off so much time (I'm very busy these times). In my part, I prefer Uppercases ones, just because they seems me more beautiful : I don't think upper or lower are more or less confusing. So, for me, it's just a mater of feelings, that's all ! Kévin 2012/3/11 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com 2012/3/11 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos fitosch...@gmail.com I'd prefer lowercase icons, because they're more recognizable in a glance as I already said in the wiki page. Three uppercase As can be easily confused. Lowercase As can be confused just as easily. As stated -- if we need the bold icon to stand out more, I propose we simply make it a bit thicker. Nobody seems to have had any problems with the current Tango icon set, which uses uppercase letters. The Humanity (and Gnome) icon themes included in Ubuntu use lowercase, you can check apps like Inkscape or Abiword to see that. Oddly, Inkscape seems to use lowercase A only for the bold and italic icons. Every other icon with text uses a capital A to symbolize it. BTW, I don't quite understand how can uppercase or lowercase letters be more or less inline with your design goals. Uppercase icons are crisper, which is one of the design goals. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Align icons
Hi, I think your proposal is pretty good, I've nothing to had. Kévin 2012/3/4 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com Hi Mirek, looks good, I don't think anything would need to be changed Alex Am 04.03.2012 12:39, schrieb Mirek M.: Hi everyone, The deadline for submitting alignment icons is up and it's time to discuss and iterate on the proposals that have been submitted. Take a look at the wiki pagehttps://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Design/** Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#**Align_left.2C_align_center.2C_**align_righthttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Align_left.2C_align_center.2C_align_right to see the proposals. There's only once proposal this week. Let's discuss it and iterate on it. (Since it's mine, I'll refrain from commenting on it right now.) Include answers to these questions in your reply: Does the proposal meet our design guidelines? Does the icon represent its function well? Is the proposal visually appealing? Can anything be done to improve this icon? Thanks. :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Revising the icon design process
Hi Mirek I agree thi sa good design process that must be tried. Then about the choice of align left / center / right, I'm not sure. We should begin with icons for the read only application (as LibreOffice for Android will begin as a simple reader before extending its functions), so icons like save, maybe export as PDF, send by e-mail... For next week maybe ? Kevin 2012/2/29 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi everyone, I'd like to rethink the whole icon design process. Based on the last few days, I feel that a lot of icon proposals were drafted cursorily, without really giving thought to their function, to our current icons, to relevant art from other applications, or to Android icons. I also feel like our discussions could be more productive, delving deeper to find and fix the smallest issues. So I'm proposing an entirely new design process, focused on a single topic each week. This week's topic are *Align left*, *Align right*, and *Align center *icons, which should be relatively easy to design. The deadline for submitting drafts is this Saturday (wherever you happen to be, don't worry about the time zone). You're also welcome to add links to images of prior art if a certain alignment icon caught your eye. (All the submitted icon drafts so far are still up on the wiki and we'll bring them up again.) We'll then analyze the rough drafts and work on the final icons. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Insert/Chart icon (was New flat icons)
Hi Alex, Mirek Personally, I prefer Alex icon, even if not perfect. I think we understand quicker that it's a chart than in Mirek one's. PS : I'm sorry I just can't propose anything actually, I really have to learn how to better use inkscape first. Kévin 2012/2/26 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com 2012/2/26 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com Hi all, I added icons for Insert/Chart and Insert/Freeform line (Pencil tool) Alex Hi Alex, I've split your thread up into two, one per each icon. Hope you don't mind. I've drafted a few basic questions that all icon feedback should have, so this is the first post in which I try them out: *Does the proposal meet our design guidelines?* Not yet -- it needs to be aligned to a square half-pixel grid. *Does the icon represent its function well?* Yes, very well. *Is the proposal visually appealing?* It feels a bit crowded. It'd be nicer if it were simple -- perhaps remove the graph and keep the pie chart? *Can anything be done to improve this icon?* Just make it simpler, less crowded. :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New flat icons
Hi Alex I like your pencil icon, but I think it would be better if the line was more curved, almost as Mirek one. But I prefer your pencil. The last version one is perfect for me. 2012/2/26 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com Hi all, I added icons for Insert/Chart and Insert/Freeform line (Pencil tool) Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Volunteer - icon designer
Hi Juliana, Welcome ! Very happy to see you ! Just to complete Alex mail, Mirek proposal is there ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set ) but he will explain it better. Again, welcome in the team, Kévin 2012/2/23 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com Hi Juliana, Welcome to the design team :) Mirek was the one who came up with the idea so probably he should introduce you into the plans. http://developer.android.com/**design/style/iconography.htmlhttp://developer.android.com/design/style/iconography.html /\ Those guidelines seem to describe what we are looking for, someone suggested first doing the icon theme for the android port so we could get some feedback before using it on the desktop. Kind Regards Alex Am 23.02.2012 00:54, schrieb Juliana Bueno: Hi, My name is Juliana Bueno, brazilian and I'm graduated in Graphic Design from the Federal University of Parana, Master Degree and currently a PhD Candidate of the Graduate Program in Computer Science (in the area of Human Computer Interaction) from the same institution. Since 2004, I'm working in projects related to C3SL (Scientific Computing and Free Software Center) - http://www.c3sl.ufpr.br/. http://buscatextual.cnpq.br/**buscatextual/visualizacv.do?**id=E4287273http://buscatextual.cnpq.br/buscatextual/visualizacv.do?id=E4287273 As a interface designer and icon designer are among my works: - Paraná Digital (version 1 and 2) http://www.c3sl.ufpr.br/prd-**suporte/manuais/html/manual_** usuario/node21.htmlhttp://www.c3sl.ufpr.br/prd-suporte/manuais/html/manual_usuario/node21.html - Xadrez Livre http://xadrezlivre.c3sl.ufpr.** br/webclient/index.htmlhttp://xadrezlivre.c3sl.ufpr.br/webclient/index.html - Linux Educacional 4.0 http://linuxeducacional.c3sl.**ufpr.br/http://linuxeducacional.c3sl.ufpr.br/ I'm interested in working as a volunteer in the new project icon Flat for Libre Office. If you have any questions, contact me. Tks, Juliana -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set
2012/2/22 Bhaavan Merchant bhaavanmerch...@gmail.com I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size, uses, fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already but I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on https://wiki.** documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Icons https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons . I agree, maybe we should use a wikipage for that (Something like that http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons- Scuse me I don't have time to make more today but it's a starting point) Yes, I believe this will be a good idea and we can have guidelines for reference. The institutional and Darkish ones, as they are monochrome, can be considered as One icon set to design I suppose, just changing their colour then... Maybe changing color is possible within the software (having a basic icon, and software change it's color automatically ?) The colorful one can stay the Tango one in my way (even if I prefer Human) And we mustn't forget the High Contrast one IMO, as we are an office suite, our final icon set should match an institutional need of icons. In my opinion, dark, sober and sharp monochrome icons qualify with this requirement. Thus, I feel, that the icons must be of monochrome nature. For the colour, I think Mirek proposal is great, because, using Android guidelines if I remenber, it explain cases for dark as for light Background. The first problem for me is : *How do we decide if we make a monochrome icon set or a not monochrome one ?* Wikipage for voting ? In terms of design, I like the icons which Google Docs ( http://www.ezoubi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/new_old_look_icons_google_docs.png ) use, and am thinking on that lines. Google using this seems to show it's not a too bad idea ;) Also the basic icons visible in the this Citrus Mockup ( http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/find1.png) look clean to me. Again, this is a personal view and choice may vary from person to person. In terms of implementation, i believe that it would be a save of time and effort if we begin with using an existing theme. I am not sure if we have a tool which could apply some property (say something like a monochrome layer over the icon) across an entire icon set, and I will do some research into this. If we do manage to get this as a script, we could run it to create mono-chrome versions of a few icon-themes like tango, and then see the result and choose and modify accordingly. Great Idea. And then making one icon set (I mean color) and including this script in the software to generate the others colors ? Should we ask on dev mailing list if this is possible / if it would need lot of CPU/memory resource (The script idea may be a bit naive and I am not sure of the intricacies involved, but I am willing to work for this if I get a positive response). -- Bhaavan Merchant -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set
Hi all I tried modifying official hicontrast theme (I choosed default one just because it was in the repos and easy to test ) . Hicontrast is a good basis because It's maybe the more complete theme of all. Here is the result for 5 icons : http://ubuntuone.com/7HLYSzrN8lfimbXLYUiOw5 I used Android Guidelines colors, as adviced by Mirek (I didn't choosed well colored / non colored parts, but it's a first start to see whether it's possible to have something OK based on highcontrast, easily) I tried using little and big icons sizes, they are or too big or too little. Link to high contrast theme : http://ubuntuone.com/4UaF2dRGZS87xL1qMOGlc0 So, how to decide whether we use - or not - monochrom icons ? Kévin 2012/2/22 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi again, I think I need to reply to my own mail ;-) Am Mittwoch, den 22.02.2012, 19:29 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi all, I'd like to avoid to give an opinion on whether a monochrome icon set does make sense, but ... Am Mittwoch, den 22.02.2012, 18:47 +0100 schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT: In terms of implementation, i believe that it would be a save of time and effort if we begin with using an existing theme. [...] Great Idea. And then making one icon set (I mean color) and including this script in the software to generate the others colors ? Should we ask on dev mailing list if this is possible / if it would need lot of CPU/memory resource I don't think that will work well given our massive number of icons and the need for easy understandability. Even today, scalable icons (SVG) are not used for small icon sizes, because these need to be tweaked by designers to achieve reasonable quality. So, removing the information channel color automatically might not lead to sufficient results. Kévin, I've read your mail again and noticed that Mirek makes decent use of colors in his mockup. That made me think of the High Contrast icons / graphics I was working on some time ago - maybe a good starting point would be the High Contrast theme. The number of colors is rather low, so it should be possible to reduce the contrast a bit (maybe also exchanging some colors), so that the desired effect of monochrome icons can be realized rather easily. Please have a look at one of the graphics (randomly chosen): http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/1.1/images/accessibility.jpg On the plus side, using the old Galaxy HC icons would bring us better icon quality than we have today with the Tango set (that lacks some icons in the less used places). However, wouldn't be easiest thing to pick some icons and to use a graphics program like The Gimp to apply some effects to continue the discussion? [...] Finally, sorry for the additional mail ... Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set
Hi Mirek, great to read you. Hi all(again) 2012/2/22 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi everyone, If we are to make an icon set, I would prefer it to be designed from scratch. I don't think we can achieve good quality by transforming the Tango icon set or the High Contrast Galaxy set (frankly, it's much harder for me to decipher the icons from the HC than the standard icon set). I tried from high contrast (see my last mail), I think we could achieve good quality. But, for sure, not the best one for most of the icons. I was thinking we could begin with a simple icon set for Android. We'd probably need to make this set anyway, as LibO would look really out-of-place on Android if it shipped with Tango icons. And the initial plans for the Android port are to make a high-fidelity document viewer, so we won't have to make many icons initially. As the Android port develops, the icon set would grow, and when it grew big enough, it would be suitable for the desktop version. I am totally in. Anyway, we will have to design a monochrom icon set. So it's good making android viewer one first, and to see, then, whether it can adapt to desktop, because it follow TDF plans and it permit a first feedback on the icons. As for active vs. disabled icons, Android has guidelineshttp://developer.android.com/design/style/iconography.htmlfor this: 30% opacity for disabled icons, light or dark. To truly achieve good quality, though, we need someone experienced to coordinate the project. Nobody's raised their hand so far -- perhaps we should ask some prominent open-source icon designers ourselves or raise money on KickStarter if nobody was willing to help with this for free. Do someone know one of them ? Steva ? (from Sun) ? I'm in for the kickstarter project, for sure, but I hope we could make without it. P.S. Also take a look at Adobe Buzzword's icons: http://www.writerstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/buzzword-screenshot.png Quite beautiful. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set
2012/2/20 Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is Þann mán 20.feb 2012 20:00, skrifaði Christoph Noack: --- Am Mittwoch, den 15.02.2012, 14:08 +0100 schrieb Stefan Knorr (Astron): --- On 15 February 2012 13:50, Charles-H.Schulz charles.schulz@**documentfoundation.orgcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: - Do we want a reference set of icons? Mostly, we want to have a well-maintained set of icons. Weither it is called reference set, or well-maintained set, I strongly agree to the general idea here. Currently, none of the themes meet that definition, as all of them lack icons for certain actions. That's one of the reasons why I am not exactly 100% behind creating a completely new icon set – I think, fixing Tango should go first. Why? Tango may not be everyone's favourite theme (neither are monochrome icons, ... I digress), but a) it has an established visual style b) it's not so hard to find free/license-compliant Tango icons on the internet c) the theme already exists and only needs extending and updating. Nevertheless, if people come up with a new, substantial set of quality icons, I'll do my best to get it into LibO. Well, I'd like to add two additional thoughts here: * If we stick with Tango, we might loose some people interested in icon design, since working on something established is usually less desired than creating something new. But, since creating something new (a huge set in a good quality) is an enormous task, going for Tango seems indeed better. * I know from talks with Stella (the designer of the e.g. Galaxy icon set for OpenOffice.org) that she needed lots (!) of time to cope with the enormous number of icons and thus unique metaphors. So working on an existing set will help us to create a basis for a new set. --- However, since we discuss this issue from time to time, wouldn't it be helpful to document a decision by the Design Team? But, of course, this needs some consensus ... basically, it is a sub-decision about the general visual design of LibO. Opinions, anyone? Some (humble) feedback: I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size, uses, fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already but I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on https://wiki.** documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Iconshttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons . I agree, maybe we should use a wikipage for that (Something like that http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons - Scuse me I don't have time to make more today but it's a starting point) Working on a couple of existing icon sets (Tango + Oxygen?) should not be that difficult if there are good design guidelines for each and if interested people could easily see which icons are missing. Then there might be work on new sets; personally I would never use a monochrome set (even with some integrated color coding) - but I admire Mirek's design in its simplicity and I think it will appeal to many people. Guess my visual detectors are spoiled with colors and forms ;-) I'm sure we should officially maintain one icon theme (and its variant as High Contrast) not more. But to choose whether to maintain a monochrome (as Mirek Proposal) or colorful one, we should list positives and negatives for each case, UX speaking (not thinking It is beautiful / It's not beautiful : Everyone will have a different opinion on this), just thinking : How can it help users of LibO ? And list this on the Wiki. So, I really think there should be choice by default, e.g. one darkish stylish theme, an institutional one and a cheering colorful one. For example. The institutional and Darkish ones, as they are monochrome, can be considered as One icon set to design I suppose, just changing their colour then... Maybe changing color is possible within the software (having a basic icon, and software change it's color automatically ?) The colorful one can stay the Tango one in my way (even if I prefer Human) And we mustn't forget the High Contrast one Finally; even though the compilation/creation of icon themes for LibreOffice should be coordinated at LO/TDF, shouldn't we explore the possibility of doing the actual design in cooperation with other icon-design sites, especially for the existing themes ? Just thoughts. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli Kévin -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-**
Re: [libreoffice-design] New icon set
Hi, With the release of LibreOffice 3.5, lot of website talk about it , and people publish comments. In France, and I suppose it's the same anywhere else, it seems people would really like to have new icons, the actual looking outdated for them. It seems we don't have professionals icons designers here who have time to help with guidelines of LibO icons design actually, but I think we can decide on some point today : First point : Do we need OS related icons ? default ? option ? let community make extensions to integrate them ? Then : Is the flat icon set a good idea ? Does someone can help use with the idea of how to auto-color icons, or do we need to integrate colorated icons ? Finally, it's not really a decision, what icons do we need (yes it's useful to know ;) ) Here are my thought : We shouldn't try to make system integrated icons, because it's too much work for us (I think), If people really want them (Or distrib such as Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora and others), community and companies behind them will easily made extension for that. More of that, point 2, I'm totally with the idea of flat icon set proposed by Mirek, and system integrated icons would just break everything Feed back appreciated, maybe votes ? Kévin 2012/2/6 Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr Hi I don't think using system icons would be a good idea : except it could be more integrated, it would break the logic behind mono/bi-chrome icons and color codes (see Mirek proposal : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set, I personally am a supporter of this one ). More of that, having OS icons only for GNU/Lunx Libreoffice versions would be a useless amount of work (to verify it works fine, it uses the good icon ...). So we should maintain one and only one icon set, with the possibility for the user to change it if he wants, but others icons sets wouldn't be officially supported (extensions ? ) Kévin 2012/2/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi all, I don't know how feasible this would be, but IMHO it would be great if LO could use some of the systems icons. I don't know whether thats possible on Win or Mac OS, but on Linux, the systems icon could be used which would adapt to icon theme changes. On Linux, it would probably be feasible if someone worked on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30425 first. On other systems, using the OS icons is probably not an option, because: * on Windows, icons tend to be in DLL's and EXE's (not extractable or reliable) * on Mac OS ... I don't know, I guess the icon are compiled into the binaries, too. That said, I would prefer if icon themes were treated as extensions rather than having a few sets hard-coded into LibreOffice with no obvious way to add or remove them. The developers see that similarly ... I believe there's an Easy Hack somewhere, too. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New icon set
Hi I don't think using system icons would be a good idea : except it could be more integrated, it would break the logic behind mono/bi-chrome icons and color codes (see Mirek proposal : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set, I personally am a supporter of this one ). More of that, having OS icons only for GNU/Lunx Libreoffice versions would be a useless amount of work (to verify it works fine, it uses the good icon ...). So we should maintain one and only one icon set, with the possibility for the user to change it if he wants, but others icons sets wouldn't be officially supported (extensions ? ) Kévin 2012/2/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi all, I don't know how feasible this would be, but IMHO it would be great if LO could use some of the systems icons. I don't know whether thats possible on Win or Mac OS, but on Linux, the systems icon could be used which would adapt to icon theme changes. On Linux, it would probably be feasible if someone worked on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30425 first. On other systems, using the OS icons is probably not an option, because: * on Windows, icons tend to be in DLL's and EXE's (not extractable or reliable) * on Mac OS ... I don't know, I guess the icon are compiled into the binaries, too. That said, I would prefer if icon themes were treated as extensions rather than having a few sets hard-coded into LibreOffice with no obvious way to add or remove them. The developers see that similarly ... I believe there's an Easy Hack somewhere, too. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Citrus UI Whiteboards
Hy I tried the new Unity version (5.2) with the new way to show the launcher : It's pretty better : If you want the launcher, you will just push a little bit more than if you only wanted to go on the left. I will continue to use it, but I think it's not any more a problem. 2012/2/4 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com 2012/2/2 Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr Hy everyone! So just my two cents : In my opinion, having the insert bar on the left or the right is'nt a big issue, more of that we could this... Then about Unity, I know the new Unity version (uploaded in Unity Precise (Ubuntu 12.04) PPA few days ago) introduce a new way to determine when to show the launcher (it's not any more a simple timer if I understood well). I haven't been able to try this because everything crashed when I installed, so I had to return to the official Precise Unity version. Anyway, this change should be uploaded in Official Precise soon. I try it when possible. The main point for me : having the insert bar on the left isn't a problem, as soon as we can move it. More of that, I'm sure that if it's a problem with Unity, Ubuntu UX Team will choose to have the bar on the right by default in the official Ubuntu repositories. They haven't done this with Inkscape. But, on the bright side, they're adding an option to only show the launcher when hovering over the top-left corner of the screen (which was the original design). Sure, but inkscape isn't in the default install, nor officialy supported by Canonical. LibreOffice is. Kévin Kévin PS : Sorry for the long time since my last mail 2011/12/9 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I sees your concern, and have thought of this my self. but all the insertion bar is, is a bunch of things that you insert into the doc. unless you need to make multiple tables or pictures, ect. , it wont be all that annoying. but there will be some sort of option to change where the bar is, so if it does aggravate people they can change it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New icon set
Sorry for all this time since my last mail... So I think we really should design a new icon set. The very first point is to brainstorm do we really want the icon set to be bi-color based according to Mirek proposal. Personnaly, I think yes, because it can help a lot a basic user who don't know what icon he search, but know what it's for. Then, I'm sure some people will hate that, so maybe we should also have to decide ifthe actual way to change icon set (ToolsOptionsdisplay I suppose (OutilsOptionsAffichage in French) is enough. It's not difficult, but is it enough discoverable ? So Call for opinion and judgment : Say what you think about the idea ! Kévin 2011/12/11 Tobias Bernard berto...@gmail.com i'm in. regarding tools and formats, i think inkscape + svg is the best solution for the reasons mentioned here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration tobias 2011/12/11 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi everyone, I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for it. The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to modernize the icon set. Here's the whiteboard: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set . Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to develop, how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of the set and high-contrast versions, etc. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Citrus UI Whiteboards
Hy everyone! So just my two cents : In my opinion, having the insert bar on the left or the right is'nt a big issue, more of that we could this... Then about Unity, I know the new Unity version (uploaded in Unity Precise (Ubuntu 12.04) PPA few days ago) introduce a new way to determine when to show the launcher (it's not any more a simple timer if I understood well). I haven't been able to try this because everything crashed when I installed, so I had to return to the official Precise Unity version. Anyway, this change should be uploaded in Official Precise soon. I try it when possible. The main point for me : having the insert bar on the left isn't a problem, as soon as we can move it. More of that, I'm sure that if it's a problem with Unity, Ubuntu UX Team will choose to have the bar on the right by default in the official Ubuntu repositories. Kévin PS : Sorry for the long time since my last mail 2011/12/9 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I sees your concern, and have thought of this my self. but all the insertion bar is, is a bunch of things that you insert into the doc. unless you need to make multiple tables or pictures, ect. , it wont be all that annoying. but there will be some sort of option to change where the bar is, so if it does aggravate people they can change it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Sample documents
Hy ! I think there is no problem, just could you make a list of feautures (charts, titles ) and documents (docs, calc, presentations ?) Kévin 2011/12/23 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com Hello fellow designers, for marketing and documentation, as well as for ourselves, it would be a good thing to have available a set of sample documents to make screenshots with. These documents should show off some of our capabilities, especially blingy ones like 3D charts, multi-column layouts, initials, editing paths, conditional formatting, ... It wouldn't hurt if they had some light TDF branding, either. Does anyone want to work on this? Or is anyone aware of such documents already existing? Holiday-y wishes, Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New icon set
Hy ! I'm in ! Im not a good designer and I have not a lot of time but I hope I could help to brainstorm, class icons and other little tasks (even if I have not a lot of time) First question. Will we follow your citrus proposal (color depending on what part the icon affects (texts, image, document ...) Kévin Le 11 déc. 2011 00:22, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi everyone, I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for it. The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to modernize the icon set. Here's the whiteboard: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set . Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to develop, how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of the set and high-contrast versions, etc. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Mobile icons
We should look too,at the faenza ones, they can be great too ! Kévin 2011/12/10 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com Oh I forgot each of the icons in the SVG section are separate links, and I do not know why they look like they do one the wiki page cheers. andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] All at once?
here are some examples of specs (I think) for two parts of ubuntu : notification system : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD Other ubuntu examples : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategorySpec I hope it can help. Then, I think we should find other specs examples (gnome, kde, firefox ?) Maybe then do a sort of spec template ? I wish I had the time to write one about a Citrus UI part that I would love to see implemented. Kévin 2011/12/10 Rushir Parikh rush...@gmail.com What do you mean by spec? (I'm 14 :P, I just know design not terms) ~Rushir On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, August Sodora aug...@gmail.com wrote: Really guys, come on. Just implement the Citrus UI, in like the next 2 releases you can release a beta of it. If you just keep bickering about it, it is never going to happen. Do you think you could even completely spec the Citrus UI in 2 release cycles? Because again, NOTHING will be implemented without specs. August Sodora aug...@gmail.com (201) 280-8138 On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Rushir Parikh rush...@gmail.com wrote: Really guys, come on. Just implement the Citrus UI, in like the next 2 releases you can release a beta of it. If you just keep bickering about it, it is never going to happen. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Model View separation?
Yes, it needs a little bit more details, and before that discussion (and maybe the survey, I will try to start something this week-end) 2011/11/25 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Andrew, Mirek's page is useful as an introduction but it needs a lot more details. It's a good start though. Best, Charles. Le 25 nov. 2011 03:32, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com a écrit : Mirek has made a road map inplace [1]. I have not read this in some time but it lays out some small things that we can start to do to transition into implementing it. looks like it could be updated some but I do not know. [1] http://clickortap.wordpress.com/citrus/roadmap/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Some Feedback on Citrus.
I just agree it can't be done in one time, it doesn't, but it's a good way
to have feedback anyway ;)
2011/11/24 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
Oh boy. How many times did we explain we cannot change the interface in one
shot?
Citrus looks good. But as we explained, if there's no one wrting
specicications for eaxh part of citrus nothing will get done.
It looks like we need to blog so that people don't get their hopes up. :-/
Best,
Charles.
Le 24 nov. 2011 21:44, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr a
écrit :
Hy you wan't feedback on Citrus :
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/citrus-a-libreoffice-interface-for-today/
This is a good start guys ;)
Kévin
2011/11/21 alexander.wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com
Hi,
since I just received Kévins mail, I now took the time to browse Mireks
proposals more deeply and I have to agree, that's just what I'd like to
see
:).
There are many great things in those drafts, but I especially like are
the
color codes and the command reorganization. In addition to the new
handling
of headers this would make LOs UI much more comfortable to use.
Another aspect I'd like to see integrated are those style groups, but
in
my opinion a little previw like in Word would be nice, maybe as a
popout
or
that the styles get applied when hovering over each of them. In my
opinion,
there should be two selections though, one for the group style used
(e.g.
My favorite selfmade style) and one for the formatting that gets
applied
(e.g. Heading 1, Table etc.). I'm not sure but maybe you've already
adresses this aspect.
I generally like the idea of focusing on actual writing and letting the
formatting be automated or taken care of, thats why I like the ability
to
export them and the new template manager, which could maybe even being
integrated with the online repository, just like the fonts.
Still, there are some issues like flickering icons when hovering over
them
or flshing black background colors when editing a text in Impress.
Those
aren't immediately related to this proposal, but I hope this could be
eliminated, too. Or have these issues already been adressed in the
current
development branch?
I am personally looking forward to the command reorg, hopefully we can
start working this out very soon :)
Cheers
Alex
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:07:06 +0100 Kévin PEIGNOT
lt;peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frgt; wrote
2011/10/30 Astron lt;heinzless...@googlemail.comgt;
gt; Hi everyone,
gt;
gt; a few days ago, Andrew asked for feedback on Mirek's Citrus
proposal.
gt; So, here, I want to start a thread on what I/we like and what I/we
gt; don't like (about the desktop/laptop proposal), in the hope that
it
gt; helps Mirek to refine his proposal. Please note, I am not a
regular
gt; reader of Mirek's blog and my assumptions are based on the short
gt; descriptions from the wiki, so if anything on this list seems
wrong
to
gt; you, feel free to correct me.
gt; Here we go, structure is as on Mirek2's wiki page:
gt;
To gain time, I choosed to use the same structure.
gt;
gt; * Ellipsis menu:
gt; I like the idea and it looks much better (cleaner) than it does
gt; currently; for executing commands it is also more functional.
gt; Here's what I don't like: that you can customise your toolbar via
gt; drag-and-drop is not made visible at all; for users of
accessibility
gt; solutions there seems to be no way to add or remove something.
gt;
I must say I agree with this. It's a great idea. Here a proposal of
solution : At the end of the toolbar, after the menu button, menu,
integrate an ellement with a ? button. When a user click on it, a
pop-up
appear with the tip, saying that drag'n-dropping is the way to proceed
* Page/slide handles:
gt; I like the idea (so much I opened a bug about it – fdo#38597).
There's
gt; a lot to discuss, though, before this can be implemented (how it
gt; zooms, how it acts, etc.). Also, the proposal doesn't work at all
for
gt; Calc (which Mirek explained, he uses so seldomly that he didn't
gt; include it in his proposals).
gt;
Honestly I don't really see what is the point there. Do you have a
detailled article/page somewhere, I didn't find (I suppose I didn't
searched in the right place)
gt;
gt; * Continuously scrollable slides:
gt; Not a bad idea for the read-only mode. When editing a document,
gt; however, there will sometimes be the case that an image or other
gt; element would overlap into the next slide. What should LibO do
then?
gt; Push the slide further below? Cut the element off in between the
two
gt; slides? I'm sceptical.
gt;
I agree, I usually have some parts of my slides that are out of the
slide, sometimes below, because it can
Re: [libreoffice-design] Some Feedback on Citrus.
Maybe we could publish a survey asking, for each part of Citrus UI (explained in a few word) what people think about it ? As we did with our first survey ? On each page a part of the survey, with a brief summary and if possible a mockup. And why not at the end asking a global impression note. It's not spec, but it permit to know what people think of the globals ideas ? Kévin 2011/11/24 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com Charles, Kevin, every one, Citrus looks good. But as we explained, if there's no one wrting specicications for eaxh part of citrus nothing will get done. ok yes we do need to start on some specifications so that we can get started, but we have not talked about it all that much. first we need to decide on what we all agree on and change what we do not. if we get more people to agree with some things I would start some specifications, but I still don't know exactly what is needed to write one. could someone write a templet on what needs to be written. that would really help. till then there are still some people that have not said what they do not like about Citrus. if you wait any longer we'er going to have to just go with Citrus. It looks like we need to blog so that people don't get their hopes up. :-/ all the more reason to get this started NOW. and before you guys say it ONE MORE TIME. I know that we can not get this done in one shot, and that we need to do this ONE STEP AT A TIME. but now that we have some press on this and people know that we are working on this we NEED to get things rolling. Andrew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Some Feedback on Citrus.
2011/10/30 Astron heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi everyone, a few days ago, Andrew asked for feedback on Mirek's Citrus proposal. So, here, I want to start a thread on what I/we like and what I/we don't like (about the desktop/laptop proposal), in the hope that it helps Mirek to refine his proposal. Please note, I am not a regular reader of Mirek's blog and my assumptions are based on the short descriptions from the wiki, so if anything on this list seems wrong to you, feel free to correct me. Here we go, structure is as on Mirek2's wiki page: To gain time, I choosed to use the same structure. * Ellipsis menu: I like the idea and it looks much better (cleaner) than it does currently; for executing commands it is also more functional. Here's what I don't like: that you can customise your toolbar via drag-and-drop is not made visible at all; for users of accessibility solutions there seems to be no way to add or remove something. I must say I agree with this. It's a great idea. Here a proposal of solution : At the end of the toolbar, after the menu button, menu, integrate an ellement with a ? button. When a user click on it, a pop-up appear with the tip, saying that drag'n-dropping is the way to proceed * Page/slide handles: I like the idea (so much I opened a bug about it – fdo#38597). There's a lot to discuss, though, before this can be implemented (how it zooms, how it acts, etc.). Also, the proposal doesn't work at all for Calc (which Mirek explained, he uses so seldomly that he didn't include it in his proposals). Honestly I don't really see what is the point there. Do you have a detailled article/page somewhere, I didn't find (I suppose I didn't searched in the right place) * Continuously scrollable slides: Not a bad idea for the read-only mode. When editing a document, however, there will sometimes be the case that an image or other element would overlap into the next slide. What should LibO do then? Push the slide further below? Cut the element off in between the two slides? I'm sceptical. I agree, I usually have some parts of my slides that are out of the slide, sometimes below, because it can be a movable picture that come half from the bottom SO personally, I think it's a bad idea. * Add page/slide: I can see this being very useful in Impress and Draw, but in those programs, I would probably put this button into the sidebar. For Writer, it would be similarly useful, but we'd also need more complexity: it'd need at least a Add page and an Add Section button (unless there is any way in which we can make those two commands the same). It's just great as it is in the mock-up. It's simple, and exactly were you need it. But I think that even if this is a great point, It should stay in the left insert toolbar too. (some people will search it there I think) *Float bar: I'm absolutely in ! Then in the case the element you select take all the screen, maybe putting the in the top of the element : On the right by default, with a button that switch it to the left if you want it there (or maybe by drag and dropping the float bar from right to left ?). I don't have time to make a mockup, but if you want one just ask I will try during the week-end * Insert bar: This is an idea from Ooo 1.0, I think. I'd love to know why it was abandoned, then, because it probably is a good idea..? Personally I always use it, and in the left of the screen, just as in your proposal. Too useful ! So I don't see why it has been abandonnated. Maybe it wasn't used enough according the clic-map. * Live preview: If it means updating the whole document I think it's a bad idea (I suppose it would need too much resource). But if it's in a preview box, then, I'm in. One think that I don't like today is that in the format toolbar, the fonts are described by there name, no preview. This is the little start of a live preview. * Color-coded icons: Good idea, I think your color scheme proposal is great. Then, I think we should brainstorm about it : for me, Red means *Hy, I need attention *, so maybe this color shouldn't be used ? More of that, I'm not sure that this is so useful : The icons concerning text shoud appear only when text is selected, same with images, videos... what do you think ? PS : Re thinking the thing : I was wrong : you can select zones with both pictures and audio * Reduced standard toolbar: I almost agree, except that I don't understand where you would put print/export in this case ? I personnaly use these two options every time (I export to PDF every 30 minutes because of problems I had with odt files in the past) * Drop-down buttons: No special thought. To be honest I don't know if it's a good or bad idea. * Sorting out commands: Good principles, basically, but probably too rough to be usable in their current form. Point two (no greyed-out buttons) is contradictory to the reasoning found under Reduced standard toolbar (click-able
Re: [libreoffice-design] Twitter, G+ and Facebook in extension and templates?
Hy ! 2011/11/3 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org @Kévin: You are right, it is a marketing thrust, although it has its design UX share... Yes, but (correct me if I'm wrong), it concerns design and UX once merketing have chosen to do it and how to do it (what services). Kévin -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Idea: command launcher for LibreOffice
I discovered this few times ago. I don't know if it's easily possible to implement this type of feature to be cross-system, I'm not a dev. But I must agree, this is very interesting. Kévin 2011/10/29 Oren Barnea oren.bar...@gmail.com I didn't know about this feature of OS X. Turns out it's been around since 2006! Here's a short video demonstrating it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WScF1OAL094 The notes under the video say that It works in all programs, even Photoshop. Does it work in LibreOffice under OS X? :) Thanks for this Kévin, very interesting. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:51, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr wrote: Hy every one ! What you are speaking here make me think about MAC osx help system. You type what you want to do and it open the good menu for you. I do not have a MAC myself so I can't make capture but I'm sure there are a lot easily findable on YouTube or other. It's a great way to help AND learn AND save time I think. Maybe we could think about a similar system ? Kévin --- Sent from gmail for Android Le 25 oct. 2011 23:00, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com a écrit : Hi Oren, all! Dear designers, I had to moderate Oren's mail and already included a quick reply with a proposal from some time ago (see below, please). Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 22:29 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 22:09, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: [...] Concerning your idea ... yes, we had some similar proposals some years ago, but we didn't get that far to consider it / implement it. If you like, please have a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Keyboard_Command_Invocation [...] Thank you for the link to the proposal from a few years ago. It's very well written and quite convincing IMHO... Do you happen to remember why it didn't even get considered? I read somewhere that after the split from OO.o, the development of LibreOffice became quicker and more flexible - do you think there's a chance that the idea that got rejected back then might be getting a warmer welcome now? It didn't get considered, since we brainstormed about new ways to access functionality ... first, we needed improved menus (the command invocation was something optional), then it was prototyped, then it became clear that before any changes OOo needed to be cleaned up first, then we got the first results in Impress, and then ... well the story of LibO :-) Surely, the LibreOffice development became quicker and more flexible ... because many developers are free to decide on their tasks and time. This means we need to find someone who likes this idea. One, who may start doing a simple proof-of-concept via an extensions (or something like that). In this case, it needs asking them ... any developer around who might know whom to ping? Some years ago, I also thought a bit about such an issue ... for example something like an Awesome Bar (see Firefox) for OOo/LibO. * Enter a word ... it's a term in the document as well? Then show the function to search / jump to that word. * Enter a number ... it's a heading? Then resolve it to a cross-reference. * Enter a function ... maybe the user needs help as well. Offer to go to the help topic. * ... You'll get the point ;-) But first, let's have some room for the others as well ... Cheers, Christoph Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 10:11 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: Hello, Here's an idea aimed at helping with the long-standing problem of the huge number of commands, options and menu items in office suites, and their low discoverability. It's more of an adaptation of existing ideas, actually. Desktop application launchers (Gnome-Do, Katapult, Synapse and their likes) have been around for years and IMHO are a very convenient way of executing applications, launching files and so on. Recently they have gone more mainstream, as Windows 7, Gnome Shell and Unity all have similar functionality built into their interfaces. I think an office suite could benefit from having a similar interface as a way to improve the efficiency of work and the discoverability of the commands and options available to the user, since the traditional menu structure and the newer Ribbon style are both lacking in this. As a first step to implement this idea, I think it might be possible to create an index of the texts in the localization files of LibreOffice, which include all the commands, options and word in dialog boxes that a user might want to execute. Once the index exists, a plug-in can be written to launch
Re: [libreoffice-design] Idea: command launcher for LibreOffice
Hy every one ! What you are speaking here make me think about MAC osx help system. You type what you want to do and it open the good menu for you. I do not have a MAC myself so I can't make capture but I'm sure there are a lot easily findable on YouTube or other. It's a great way to help AND learn AND save time I think. Maybe we could think about a similar system ? Kévin --- Sent from gmail for Android Le 25 oct. 2011 23:00, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com a écrit : Hi Oren, all! Dear designers, I had to moderate Oren's mail and already included a quick reply with a proposal from some time ago (see below, please). Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 22:29 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 22:09, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: [...] Concerning your idea ... yes, we had some similar proposals some years ago, but we didn't get that far to consider it / implement it. If you like, please have a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Keyboard_Command_Invocation [...] Thank you for the link to the proposal from a few years ago. It's very well written and quite convincing IMHO... Do you happen to remember why it didn't even get considered? I read somewhere that after the split from OO.o, the development of LibreOffice became quicker and more flexible - do you think there's a chance that the idea that got rejected back then might be getting a warmer welcome now? It didn't get considered, since we brainstormed about new ways to access functionality ... first, we needed improved menus (the command invocation was something optional), then it was prototyped, then it became clear that before any changes OOo needed to be cleaned up first, then we got the first results in Impress, and then ... well the story of LibO :-) Surely, the LibreOffice development became quicker and more flexible ... because many developers are free to decide on their tasks and time. This means we need to find someone who likes this idea. One, who may start doing a simple proof-of-concept via an extensions (or something like that). In this case, it needs asking them ... any developer around who might know whom to ping? Some years ago, I also thought a bit about such an issue ... for example something like an Awesome Bar (see Firefox) for OOo/LibO. * Enter a word ... it's a term in the document as well? Then show the function to search / jump to that word. * Enter a number ... it's a heading? Then resolve it to a cross-reference. * Enter a function ... maybe the user needs help as well. Offer to go to the help topic. * ... You'll get the point ;-) But first, let's have some room for the others as well ... Cheers, Christoph Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 10:11 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: Hello, Here's an idea aimed at helping with the long-standing problem of the huge number of commands, options and menu items in office suites, and their low discoverability. It's more of an adaptation of existing ideas, actually. Desktop application launchers (Gnome-Do, Katapult, Synapse and their likes) have been around for years and IMHO are a very convenient way of executing applications, launching files and so on. Recently they have gone more mainstream, as Windows 7, Gnome Shell and Unity all have similar functionality built into their interfaces. I think an office suite could benefit from having a similar interface as a way to improve the efficiency of work and the discoverability of the commands and options available to the user, since the traditional menu structure and the newer Ribbon style are both lacking in this. As a first step to implement this idea, I think it might be possible to create an index of the texts in the localization files of LibreOffice, which include all the commands, options and word in dialog boxes that a user might want to execute. Once the index exists, a plug-in can be written to launch a search box that lets the user type what they want to do, search the index for the typed text, show the user a list of items that fit that text and execute the selected item. I don't know how difficult or easy it would be to do this. Maybe the suggested way of implementing this idea is not even possible (I'm actually not sure there is a way to map the indexed words to the actual commands, and if there isn't one, what would it take to create it.) I have to say that I'm not a software developer and I know almost nothing about the structure of LibreOffice. Everything I wrote about the implementation of this idea might be totally wrong. I know that some of the things I talk about don't even belong to this specific mailing list, but I think this is the right place to suggest this idea. I would be very happy to hear your opinions about
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default?
Hy Personnaly, I always used Rulers (On word 2003, OOo, SYmphony or LibO), to place horizontally text or headers/footers. But I think it's not the case of the majority . Then, if rulers have to be kept, I think we should try to find a way to have them more discrete, because they are not very sexy, they take a big place and are not used a lot. It should really be investigated what do you think ? Kévin PS : Scuse, I've speak a horrible English, I know it. 2011/10/13 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I never use the rulers, see no need for them in a word processor, or in a presentation. I can not speak for Mirek now but on his blog he talks about the Citrus UI hiding them by default. but I can say that in his UI mock ups there are no rulers. here is a link to his blog where he talks about it http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/13 Glenn de Groot glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com Hello people, yesterday I had a pretty good idea IMHO.I would like to see the ruler hidden by default in Libre Office 3.5.I know nobody who uses the ruler (on any office application), and I don´t use it either.Microsoft Office, Google Docs and I believe there are others, hide the ruler by default.Try it, go to View and deselect the ruler, it makes Libre Office a lot simpler.People who do need the ruler probably know where to find it. Thoughts? -Glenn de Groot Rulers are useful for direct formatting, I think. Because I never use direct formatting I always turn off rulers... ;) There was a discussion (or more precisely, an attempt to start a discussion) about default values on LibO a couple of months ago. Maybe we need to restart it. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Banners for our first anniversary
I LOVE your cake 1 ! Nothing else to say ! Kévin 2011/9/23 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com Thanks Daniel, I am really glad that you like that cake ;) You also gave me great feedback on my previous banner work, once again thanks. I have just changed that Cake3's background and made it a bit more like Spring3. Cheers, Aleksandar 2011/9/23 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu But the cake is a lie (bad Portal joke) All three of the cakes are great. I believe that Cake 3 is the best. I would suggest setting Cake 3's background to be the same as Spring 3. The greyish-white background appears... less inviting than the white. Daniel Merker Computer Engineering Graduate Student Wayne State University -Original Message- From: Aleksandar Dev [mailto:devaleksan...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:18 AM To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-design] Banners for our first anniversary I uploaded banner designs at wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary I am working on that idea but wanted to hear your opinion. Also if you can provide any text,date or slogan I can use on this banners please feel free to tell me. Thanks, Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
I love Autumn 3 end Autumn 4, but I think you should let a litle space between apps icons and Download Now button. If it's chosen, we will have to translate it manually for use in other languages. I loved Spring season, I prefer spring season 3 ! The gradient idea was great ! Kévin 2011/9/21 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com As Christoph asked here : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03012.html I created new web banners. I posted them on my new (and only) wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See As this is my first time to post new design here I would like to get feedback. So please feel free to write, any feedback is welcome. Thanks, Aleksandar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?
Yes, we will need them... But only once we have the final version ;) 2011/9/22 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi Aleksandar, Really nice graphics! :-) I see you posted .png files. Did you have the originals in .svg form? Or maybe .xcf or .psd form? It would be great to have those source files so that we could maybe make small edits to the wording, and so that people can produce translated versions in other languages... Any chance of this? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [Fwd: [Bug 41000] FILEOPEN - Filter Selection dialog needs structure and preselection]
Hy everyone ! * (2) You're referring to Document ... tough question. I don't know whether Document Type (left side) and File Format is an improvement. I agree * (3) I also like Open better, since it clearly says what will happen - much better than OK. By the way, the very last dialog styleguide (attempt) put the Help on the left side ... I agree too * The dialog has now a very good structure - but might it be convenient for people to have an All on the left side that contains all file types? I think it is for one reason. Sometimes (not often I think), people get presention files (example), and they not always know what it is : Someone can have sent it to them without explaining Hy it's a presentation or Hy, it's a text document. THey just get the document. Just for this reason, and because I think it should'nt be very complicated to add, I think there should be an Any section on the left. Then, I think it's important to choose the order of the items in the two parts (it can reduce the amount of time to find the good format) : I think that order them by popularity is good : Document type part: - Text Document - Spreadsheet Slideshow - Presentation Slideshow - Web Document - Drawing - Formula File format part : - Open Document - Microsoft Word 2003 xml (.doc) - Microsoft Word 2007 (.docx) As you can see, I indicate file extension as it's always significant for a lot of people. Kévin PS : Scuse for my so bad English... Like a lot of French people, I'm not bright with other languages. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
