Hi community,
I have tested two most widely used mailbox website mail.qq.com and
mail.163.com(belongs to Netease).
qq.mail works fine, good job @vino yang !
163.mail almost works fine. I have received all the response mails,
although the last one is marked as spam.
I received the new mail of
Hi,
I'd like to share you the result of the survey. Thanks for the help
from @Gordon, @Jark and the Flink China operation team when conducting the
survey.
A total of 81 people participated in the survey. 46 of them choose not to
use the mailing list. Among these people, the reasons are(Note that
Hi vino,
Thanks a lot for unblocking the email address. I have told the user about
this.
Hope things can get better.
Best, Hequn
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 3:14 PM vino yang wrote:
> Hi Hequn,
>
> Thanks for reporting this case.
>
> The reason replied by QQ mail team is also caused by *bounce
Hi Hequn,
Thanks for reporting this case.
The reason replied by QQ mail team is also caused by *bounce attack*. So
this mail address has been intercepted and it's an IP level interception.
Today, the QQ mail team has unblocked this email address. So it can receive
the follow-up email from
Hi Vino,
Great thanks for your help.
> So if someone reports that they can't receive the email from Apache mail
server, they can provide more detailed information to the QQ mailbox to
facilitate the location problem.
I just got one feedback.
A user(173855...@qq.com) report that he can't receive
Hi Kurt,
I have copied my reply to the Jira issue of INFRA[1].
Within my ability, I am happy to coordinate and promote this problem.
Best,
Vino
[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18249
Kurt Young 于2019年6月21日周五 下午12:11写道：
> Hi vino,
>
> Thanks for your effort. Could you also
Hi vino,
Thanks for your effort. Could you also share this information with apache
INFRA? Maybe we can find a workable solution together.
You can try to leave comments in this jira:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18249)
Best,
Kurt
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:45 AM vino yang wrote:
Hi all,
The main reason is that the *Apache mail server has been used and caused a
bounce attack on the QQ mailbox*.
Detailed description: The third parties forged the domain name of the QQ
mailbox to send spam to the Apache mail server. The Apache mail server does
not make a correct check and
Hi Robert,
Yes, QQ mail product belongs to Tencent and I work at Tencent.
I am contacting QQ mail team and trying to know the reason. Once I get the
reply and explanation. I will sync here.
Best,
Vino.
Robert Metzger 于2019年6月20日周四 下午10:59写道：
> Thanks a lot!
>
> qq.com belongs to Tencent,
Thanks a lot!
qq.com belongs to Tencent, right?
As far as I know, we have some active contributors working at Tencent (Vino
Yang). Maybe he or other employees from Tencent following this mailing
list, could help to make a connection to the QQ teams to resolve that
problem?
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019
>From INFRA's response: "Yes, they aggressively rate limit us, and all our
efforts to contact them have gone unanswered. We recommend people use other
providers."
I think the only way is tell user not to use qq.com mails when using apache
mailing list.
Best,
Kurt
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:23
Thanks Robert, I left a comment in the JIRA you gave and see what will
happen.
Best,
Kurt
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:04 PM Robert Metzger wrote:
> Thank you all for working on this!
>
> +1 on conducting a survey!
>
> @Kurt: Yes, you can just file a JIRA ticket with INFRA (see a similar
>
Thank you all for working on this!
+1 on conducting a survey!
@Kurt: Yes, you can just file a JIRA ticket with INFRA (see a similar
example, also mentioning qq.com:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18249)
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:23 AM Kurt Young wrote:
> Is there any chance
Is there any chance that we can contact Apache infra team to find out why
apache mails are blocked by qq.com?
QQ mails are very popular in Chinese.
Best,
Kurt
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 12:01 PM Hequn Cheng wrote:
> Hi Gordon,
>
> Thanks a lot for providing the valuable information!
> As I carry
> Furthermore, could we also add some meaningful reply to the users if they
send email to `user-zh@` without subscribing `user-zh-subscribe@`?
Hi @Gordon, Can we customize the reply to Chinese? Is that possible? I
think one reason is many Chinese people don't understand the meaning of the
reply.
Hi Gordon,
Thanks a lot for providing the valuable information!
As I carry out the survey about the mailing list, a lot of people told me
that they just can't subscribe to the mailing list normally. I think your
information gives a good answer!
- User subscribes `user-zh@ address` instead of
Hi all,
Just a few observations from the MODERATE emails I receive as a moderator
of the user-zh@ mailing list:
- About at least once every day, there would be someone trying to
incorrectly subscribe to user-zh@ via the user-zh@ address, and not
user-zh-subscribe@. Maybe there is something
>> We did guide users to use mailing list to ask questions, but people
still prefer DingTalk. We can continue to remind users to use mailing list
frequently.
> Do we know why that's the case? Do we need to educate people more on
mailing lists?
- Because it's easy and fast as Bowen and Hequn said.
Hi,
Thank Robert for raising the discussion. Thank Bowen and Jark for your nice
thoughts.
The DingTalk group grows bigger and bigger. I think the reason is that a
lot of problems are solved quickly in the group. There are a lot of people
who are willing to answer questions in the DingTalk group.
I want to first clarify that I think Flink China operation team has done a
PHENOMENAL job to grow user base in China! This discussion is not about
discrediting anyone. The problem occurs as more of a high growth pain IMHO.
>> We did guide users to use mailing list to ask questions, but
people
Bowen, I agree with your observations regarding a chat group with 10k
members!
I'm not very familiar with how the tech scene in the Chinese-speaking world
works. Ideally, we find a way to help the community grow AND follow good
apache practices.
If most other projects and communities are doing
Thanks Bowen and Robert,
Here're my observations and thoughts.
1. Most questions and discussions happen in the DingTalk.
2. We did guide users to use mailing list to ask questions, but people
still prefer DingTalk.
- We can continue to remind users to use mailing list frequently.
3. All the
I resonate with your concerns Robert. It's because most questions are asked
in the DingTalk group which has close to 10,000 people now. Here're my
observations and thoughts.
Group chat is great for marketing, announce news and updates, broadcast
live streams/events, and is just TERRIBLE for
Hey all,
the user...@flink.apache.org is now a few months old and I wanted to hear
how things are going.
>From the number of people in the DingTalk group (5000 ?), I would have
expected more people to use the mailing list. But I also understand that
mailing lists are an outdated technology from
That's great.
Awesome, thanks a lot Gordon!
I've asked Infra to add you as a moderator:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17865
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:15 AM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai
wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> I'll be willing to help with moderating the user-zh@ list.
>
> Cheers,
> Gordon
>
> On Wed,
Hi Robert,
I'll be willing to help with moderating the user-zh@ list.
Cheers,
Gordon
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:05 PM Robert Metzger wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm now getting more and more MODERATE emails from the mailing list service
> for the user-zh@ list from people trying to subscribe.
> I
Hey all,
I'm now getting more and more MODERATE emails from the mailing list service
for the user-zh@ list from people trying to subscribe.
I would like to ask if any committer (who ideally speaks Chinese) is
willing to moderate the user-zh@ list.
This works as follows:
When somebody who is not
Cheers!
Subscribed. Looking forward to the first Chinese question ;)
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 17:16, Robert Metzger wrote:
> Success!
> The mailing list has been created.
>
> Send an email to "user-zh-subscr...@flink.apache.org" to subscribe!
> I've also updated the website with the list:
>
Success!
The mailing list has been created.
Send an email to "user-zh-subscr...@flink.apache.org" to subscribe!
I've also updated the website with the list:
https://flink.apache.org/community.html
I will now also tweet about it, even though I believe it'll be more
important to advertise the list
+1，sounds good
Ufuk Celebi 于2019年1月29日周二 上午1:46写道：
> I'm late to this party but big +1. Great idea! I think this will help
> to better represent the actual Flink community size and increase
> interaction between the English and non-English speaking community.
> :-)
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at
I'm late to this party but big +1. Great idea! I think this will help
to better represent the actual Flink community size and increase
interaction between the English and non-English speaking community.
:-)
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:02 PM jincheng sun wrote:
>
> +1，I like the idea very much！
>
>
+1，I like the idea very much！
Robert Metzger 于2019年1月24日 周四19:15写道：
> Hey all,
>
> I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
> user...@flink.apache.org" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink community.
>
> Why?
> In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came
Thanks everybody for your feedback and comments.
I will now request the creation of the mailing list, and raise a PR for
updating the Flink website with the info.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:43 AM Becket Qin wrote:
> +1. Great idea!
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shaoxuan Wang
> wrote:
>
+1. Great idea!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shaoxuan Wang wrote:
> +1. Looking forward to it.
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:41 PM Robert Metzger
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > You are right, I'm proposing "user...@flink.apache.org" as the mailing
> > list's name!
> >
> >
+1. Looking forward to it.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:41 PM Robert Metzger wrote:
> Thanks for your response.
>
> You are right, I'm proposing "user...@flink.apache.org" as the mailing
> list's name!
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> >
> > +1 on the idea. This will certainly help promote Flink in China
> > > industries. On a side note, it would be great if anyone in the list can
> > > help source ideas, bug reports, and feature requests to dev@ list
> and/or
> > > JIRAs so as to gain broader
gain broader attention.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Xuefu
> >
> >
> > ------
> > From:Fabian Hueske
> > Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> > To:dev
> > Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a u
requests to dev@ list and/or
> JIRAs so as to gain broader attention.
>
> Thanks,
> Xuefu
>
>
> --
> From:Fabian Hueske
> Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> To:dev
> Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a us
--
From:Fabian Hueske
Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
To:dev
Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user...@flink.apache.org mailing list for
the Chinese-speaking community?
Thanks Robert!
I think this is a very good idea.
+1
Fabian
Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr
broader attention.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Xuefu
> >
> >
> > --
> > From:Fabian Hueske
> > Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
> > To:dev
> > Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user...@flink.apache.org mailing list for
> the Chinese-speaking commu
u.) 05:32
> To:dev
> Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user...@flink.apache.org mailing list for the
> Chinese-speaking community?
>
> Thanks Robert!
> I think this is a very good idea.
> +1
>
> Fabian
>
>> Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang :
--
From:Fabian Hueske
Sent At:2019 Jan. 24 (Thu.) 05:32
To:dev
Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Start a user...@flink.apache.org mailing list for the
Chinese-speaking community?
Thanks Robert!
I think this is a very good idea.
+1
Fabian
Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr
+1, a great starting point!
It'll be nice if we can later come up with some way to bridge the knowledge
between two email channels.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 5:32 AM Fabian Hueske wrote:
> Thanks Robert!
> I think this is a very good idea.
> +1
>
> Fabian
>
> Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr
Thanks Robert!
I think this is a very good idea.
+1
Fabian
Am Do., 24. Jan. 2019 um 14:09 Uhr schrieb Jeff Zhang :
> +1
>
> Piotr Nowojski 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道：
>
> > +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> > committers & users :)
> >
> > Piotrek
> >
> > >
+1
Piotr Nowojski 于2019年1月24日周四 下午8:38写道：
> +1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
> committers & users :)
>
> Piotrek
>
> > On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young wrote:
> >
> > Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
> >
> > fudian.fd
+1, good idea, especially with that many Chinese speaking contributors,
committers & users :)
Piotrek
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:20, Kurt Young wrote:
>
> Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
>
> fudian.fd 于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道：
>
>> +1. I noticed that many folks
Big +1 on this, it will indeed help Chinese speaking users a lot.
fudian.fd 于2019年1月24日 周四20:18写道：
> +1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA
> permission in the past year. It reflects that more and more developers from
> China are using Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing
+1. I noticed that many folks from China are requesting the JIRA permission in
the past year. It reflects that more and more developers from China are using
Flink. A Chinese oriented mailing list will definitely be helpful for the
growth of Flink in China.
> 在 2019年1月24日，下午7:42，Stephan Ewen
+1, a very nice idea
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Robert Metzger wrote:
> Thanks for your response.
>
> You are right, I'm proposing "user...@flink.apache.org" as the mailing
> list's name!
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Thanks a
Thanks for your response.
You are right, I'm proposing "user...@flink.apache.org" as the mailing
list's name!
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:37 PM Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai
wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
>
> +1 to a user-zh@flink.a.o mailing list (you mentioned -zh in
Hi Robert,
Thanks a lot for starting this discussion!
+1 to a user-zh@flink.a.o mailing list (you mentioned -zh in the title, but
-cn in the opening email content.
I think -zh would be better as we are establishing the tool for general
Chinese-speaking users).
All dev@ discussions / JIRAs should
Hey all,
I would like to create a new user support mailing list called "
user...@flink.apache.org" to cater the Chinese-speaking Flink community.
Why?
In the last year 24% of the traffic on flink.apache.org came from the US,
22% from China. In the last three months, China is at 30%, the US at
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