Re: Introduction

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Peter, Kyle,

Am 29.08.22 um 21:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Welcome to the dev channel, :)
>
>
> I think we need really to look at our 4.2.0 Issue list. [1]
>
> I try to cluster some other Issues on Jira. [2] With the Idea that we
> may be able to cluster the work better. But it is quite Infant state.
>
> We need also to talk on architecture. I do not feel comfortable with
> the code base as is. But I am not sure how I can address this.
>
>
> I looking forward on your participation. I hope we can expand the
> Project further.

Maybe one thing we could start with is this issue:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=60217

The code is here:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/trunk/main/sw/source/ui/fldui/changedb.cxx#L333

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>
> All the best
>
> Peter
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/OPENOFFICE/issues/OPENOFFICE-195?filter=allopenissues
>
>
> Am 27.08.22 um 22:55 schrieb Kyle Zemke:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Sorry for not doing this sooner Mathias, I've been lurking. My name is
>> Kyle, I joined the dev subscription about 3 weeks ago.
>>
>> I have skills in Product Management, DevOps, and Programming.
>>
>> If there is anything I can help with please let me know. I'll try to
>> keep
>> up with the github repo 
>>
>> Looking forward to knowing you all better,
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: Introduction

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 28.08.22 um 20:36 schrieb Kyle Zemke:
> It will help me learn German, something I've always wanted to learn!

Good idea!

I would like to learn how to program. ;-)

>
> I'm in UTC -5 but I don't sleep as much as I should :)

I am in Germany, UTC +2

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Sincerely,
>
> Kyle
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 5:43 PM Matthias Seidel 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kyle,
>>
>> Am 27.08.22 um 22:55 schrieb Kyle Zemke:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Sorry for not doing this sooner Mathias, I've been lurking. My name is
>>> Kyle, I joined the dev subscription about 3 weeks ago.
>> That's totally OK. I did that for a longer time, mainly because I am no
>> developer and learned a lot from "lurking".
>>> I have skills in Product Management, DevOps, and Programming.
>>>
>>> If there is anything I can help with please let me know. I'll try to keep
>>> up with the github repo 
>> I started with updating some graphics for the project. ;-)
>>
>> But since you know about programming, GitHub is a good place to start.
>>
>> Beware, there are still a lot of German comments in the source, if you
>> need help just ask here.
>>
>>> Looking forward to knowing you all better,
>> In which region are you located? We are spread all over the world and
>> reactions can take time due to the different time zones.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>>> Kyle
>>>
>>



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Re: Introduction

[Peter Kovacs]

Welcome to the dev channel, :)


I think we need really to look at our 4.2.0 Issue list. [1]

I try to cluster some other Issues on Jira. [2] With the Idea that we 
may be able to cluster the work better. But it is quite Infant state.


We need also to talk on architecture. I do not feel comfortable with the 
code base as is. But I am not sure how I can address this.



I looking forward on your participation. I hope we can expand the 
Project further.



All the best

Peter

[1] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0


[2] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/OPENOFFICE/issues/OPENOFFICE-195?filter=allopenissues



Am 27.08.22 um 22:55 schrieb Kyle Zemke:

Hi All,

Sorry for not doing this sooner Mathias, I've been lurking. My name is
Kyle, I joined the dev subscription about 3 weeks ago.

I have skills in Product Management, DevOps, and Programming.

If there is anything I can help with please let me know. I'll try to keep
up with the github repo 

Looking forward to knowing you all better,

Kyle



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Re: Introduction

[Kyle Zemke]

It will help me learn German, something I've always wanted to learn!

I'm in UTC -5 but I don't sleep as much as I should :)

Sincerely,

Kyle

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 5:43 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Hi Kyle,
>
> Am 27.08.22 um 22:55 schrieb Kyle Zemke:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Sorry for not doing this sooner Mathias, I've been lurking. My name is
> > Kyle, I joined the dev subscription about 3 weeks ago.
> That's totally OK. I did that for a longer time, mainly because I am no
> developer and learned a lot from "lurking".
> >
> > I have skills in Product Management, DevOps, and Programming.
> >
> > If there is anything I can help with please let me know. I'll try to keep
> > up with the github repo 
>
> I started with updating some graphics for the project. ;-)
>
> But since you know about programming, GitHub is a good place to start.
>
> Beware, there are still a lot of German comments in the source, if you
> need help just ask here.
>
> >
> > Looking forward to knowing you all better,
>
> In which region are you located? We are spread all over the world and
> reactions can take time due to the different time zones.
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
> >
> > Kyle
> >
>
>

Re: Introduction

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Kyle,

Am 27.08.22 um 22:55 schrieb Kyle Zemke:
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for not doing this sooner Mathias, I've been lurking. My name is
> Kyle, I joined the dev subscription about 3 weeks ago.
That's totally OK. I did that for a longer time, mainly because I am no
developer and learned a lot from "lurking".
>
> I have skills in Product Management, DevOps, and Programming.
>
> If there is anything I can help with please let me know. I'll try to keep
> up with the github repo 

I started with updating some graphics for the project. ;-)

But since you know about programming, GitHub is a good place to start.

Beware, there are still a lot of German comments in the source, if you
need help just ask here.

>
> Looking forward to knowing you all better,

In which region are you located? We are spread all over the world and
reactions can take time due to the different time zones.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Kyle
>



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Introduction

[Kyle Zemke]

Hi All,

Sorry for not doing this sooner Mathias, I've been lurking. My name is
Kyle, I joined the dev subscription about 3 weeks ago.

I have skills in Product Management, DevOps, and Programming.

If there is anything I can help with please let me know. I'll try to keep
up with the github repo 

Looking forward to knowing you all better,

Kyle

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Peter Kovacs]

Hi Jim,

Sorry for the late answer.


On 05.03.22 23:15, Jim Woodworth wrote:

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the help in getting me started.  Have just finished building.

great! :-)


I am on AlmaLinux 8.5 without a GUI.  Am thinking I should be able to 
start it up by typing "soffice" once I have the right rpm installed.  
Question is which one?  There are several.


If you do not have a gui, I am not sure how you want to use Apache 
OpenOffice. The headless function is somewhat opaque to me, and I think 
it has some issues.


You need to install all rpms. Apache OpenOffice is divided into several 
packages.


However within the build folder there should be the build result. And 
you can directly start AOO there.



With what configuration did you build? can you post to dev-Mailing list?


Also I cc the dev mailing list. There you can ask questions by sending 
mails to the address. All developers will receive then your mail and can 
answer.


Also you can subscribe and receive yourself all development 
communication. Infos on this you can read at [4]



All the best

Peter

[4] https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html



Thanks again,

Jim

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 1:20 AM Peter Kovacs  wrote:

Hi Jim,


Thanks for the interest in OpenOffice.

If you are interested in contributing, I suggest to start step by
step.

I think the best way is to familiarize with our setup. We offer a
github
[1] presence which makes it easy to access.

Try to sync the code from there. to your system.

And as a next step try to understand how to build OpenOffice from
source.

I recommend our wiki guide [2] and Arrigos presentation [3] for
starters.


If you have questions or need help please ask.

All the best

Peter


[1] https://github.com/apache/openoffice

[2] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

[3] https://live.fosdem.org/watch/dapacheopenoffice

Am 02.03.22 um 19:06 schrieb Jim Woodworth:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Jim Woodworth.  I have been working mostly with Perl
in Linux
> and Unix interfacing with various databases.  The CMSs I have
used are
> Rational Clearcase, Subversion, and Git.
>
> My C++ experience is fairly light, so I am looking to expand on my
> knowledge with it and contribute to something along the way.
>
> I am very eager to get started contributing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>


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RE: Introduction of myself

[Jörg Schmidt]

> -Original Message-
> From: fa...@holdoffice.com [mailto:fa...@holdoffice.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:27 PM
> To: dev-de@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: AW: Introduction of myself
> 
> Hallo Jörg,
> 
> danke für deine Nachricht. Gut zu wissen mit der ProOO-Box 
> Seite. Mich würde mal interessieren, wie viel Seitenaufrufe 
> ihr im Monat habt aus D/A/CH? 

letzte 6 Monate:

Oktober 2020 = 7035
November 2020 = 13814
Dezember 2020 = 7844

Januar 2021 = 14652
Februar 2021 = 5114
März 2021 = 12292


Gruß
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RE: Introduction of myself

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hallo Fabio, 

> -Original Message-
> From: fa...@holdoffice.com [mailto:fa...@holdoffice.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:27 PM
> To: dev-de@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: AW: Introduction of myself
> 
> Hallo Jörg,
> 
> danke für deine Nachricht. Gut zu wissen mit der ProOO-Box 
> Seite. Mich würde mal interessieren, wie viel Seitenaufrufe 
> ihr im Monat habt aus D/A/CH? Also wird die Seite  rege genutzt?

Die Seite wird rege genutzt, namentlich die Dokumentation, weshalb wir uns ja 
auch vor Längerem entschlossen haben uns um deren Aktualisierung zu kümmern, 
denn 'klassisch' (die ProOO-Box besteht seit ca. 17 Jahren) haben wir uns ja 
nur um die Verbreitung von OO und zugehörigen Materialien (auch der Doku) 
gekümmert.

Nach Zugriffszahlen muss ich Jan fragen, ich melde mich wenn ich Zahlen habe. 
(kann einige Tage dauern)

> Also ich habe definitiv Lust, die Dokumente zu pflegen. Ich 
> sehe, dass Writer, Calc und Math ziemlich aktuell sind. 

Math IST aktuell, die anderen Genannten nicht. Konkreter gesagt ist die Calc- 
und Writer-Doku zwar zweifelsohne brauchbar um sie zu benutzen, nur formal ist 
sie überwiegend ungefähr auf dem Stand von OOo 3.3..

> und Base ist 
> recht verkümmert. 

Bei Base ist wohl nur der Veröffentlichungsstand schlecht, aber an der 
Base-Doku arbeitet Jan kontinuierlich. Das ist in sofern eine bessere Situation 
als bei Calc, weil an der Calc-Doku seit Langem keiner konkret arbeitet.

> ist 
> Aber Calc und Base wären auch genau die 
> Programme, die mir am Herzen liegen und wo ich gern 
> unterstützen wollen würde. 

Danke für Dein Interesse. Ich schreibe noch eine Mail ans ProOO-Box-Team und 
nehme Dich ins CC, dann können wir über alles Weitere reden. 

  
Gruß
Jörg


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AW: Introduction of myself

[fabio]

Hallo Jörg,

danke für deine Nachricht. Gut zu wissen mit der ProOO-Box Seite. Mich würde 
mal interessieren, wie viel Seitenaufrufe ihr im Monat habt aus D/A/CH? Also 
wird die Seite  rege genutzt? 

Also ich habe definitiv Lust, die Dokumente zu pflegen. Ich sehe, dass Writer, 
Calc und Math ziemlich aktuell sind. Bei Calc ist das letzte Update schon 
länger her und Base ist recht verkümmert. Aber Calc und Base wären auch genau 
die Programme, die mir am Herzen liegen und wo ich gern unterstützen wollen 
würde. 

Viele Grüße
Fabio 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Jörg Schmidt  
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. März 2021 12:11
An: dev-de@openoffice.apache.org; dev-de@openoffice.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Introduction of myself

Hallo, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org]
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 11:45 AM
> To: fa...@holdoffice.com; dev-de@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction of myself

> Es gibt auch das Projekt ProOO-Box die einiges an deutscher Doku 
> produzieren.

Danke für die Erwähnung, ich konkretisiere mal:


Hallo Fabio,

Die ProOO-Box (http://www.prooo-box.org/), die eigentlich AOO und 
Zusatzsoftware (Makros, Extensions etc.) verbreitet, hat es sich sein einigen 
Jahren zur zusätzlichen Aufgabe gemacht die _deutschsprachige_ Doku zu AOO zu 
pflegen, wie hier vermerkt:
http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html

weil es im Projekt selbst dafür seit Langem keine Freiwilligen gibt.

Bei Interesse kannst Du gerne mich direkt anschreiben oder nimm die Adresse im 
Impressum der ProOO-Box Webseite.

Wir sind ein kleines Team (2-3 Leute), und organisieren die Doku-Arbeit 
pragmatisch und ohne große formale Regeln, es gibt eine Mailingliste und eine 
Cloud als Arbeitsmittel.



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RE: Introduction of myself

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hallo, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 11:45 AM
> To: fa...@holdoffice.com; dev-de@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction of myself

> Es gibt auch das Projekt ProOO-Box die einiges an deutscher Doku 
> produzieren.

Danke für die Erwähnung, ich konkretisiere mal:


Hallo Fabio,

Die ProOO-Box (http://www.prooo-box.org/), die eigentlich AOO und Zusatzsoftware
(Makros, Extensions etc.) verbreitet, hat es sich sein einigen Jahren zur
zusätzlichen Aufgabe gemacht die _deutschsprachige_ Doku zu AOO zu pflegen, wie
hier vermerkt:
http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html

weil es im Projekt selbst dafür seit Langem keine Freiwilligen gibt.

Bei Interesse kannst Du gerne mich direkt anschreiben oder nimm die Adresse im
Impressum der ProOO-Box Webseite.

Wir sind ein kleines Team (2-3 Leute), und organisieren die Doku-Arbeit
pragmatisch und ohne große formale Regeln, es gibt eine Mailingliste und eine
Cloud als Arbeitsmittel.



Gruß
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Re: Introduction of myself

[Peter Kovacs]

Hallo Fabio,


Ich antworte hier mal über die deutsche Entwickler Liste aus Faulheit.

Schön das du dich für OpenOffice interessierst. Wir können hilfe immer 
super gebrauchen, egal was und egal wie viel.


Du entscheidest ;)

Also Doku ist immer gut. Also das meißte haben wir auf dem MediaWiki 
kurz Mwiki [1]. Einen user bekommst du über die Dev-Mailing liste.


Einfach eine Formlose email mit wunsch-Usernamen und email account. Dann 
macht das jemand. Nach 72h ohne Reaktion mal nachfragen.


Wir haben auch einen Youtube Channel der Content gebrauchen würde. Wenn 
dich das Interessiert dann sag kurz Bescheid.


Es gibt auch das Projekt ProOO-Box die einiges an deutscher Doku 
produzieren.



Bug reports finden sich auf Bugzille. Wenn du Fragen hast feel free, 
sind genug da.


Sprachen werden über die l10n Liste behandelt. Deutsch ist aber gut 
abgedeckt. Englsich wird im Code gemacht.


Einen Account zu dem Übersetzungsframework gibt es dort. Ähnlich, wie 
beim Wiki ist eine Formlose email ausreichend. Ich würde mich da aber 
nochmal kurz vorstellen.



QA spielt haptsächlich eine Rolle im Release prozess. Das wird über die 
dev Liste angekündigt. Demnächst gibt es wieder einen 4.2.0 Entwicklungs 
- Test kandfidaten der Getestet werden will.


Allerdings kennen wir schon viele Probleme.


Templates stellen wir in der Regel immer über die Extensionsseite ohne 
Projekt zur Verfügung.



Ich hoffe ich habe damit alle Themen abgedeckt. Ich empfehle, das du 
dich einfach an der development Mailingliste anmeldest zum mitlesen. Das 
ist Quasie unsere Zentrale Liste, darüber gehen auch irgendwie die 
meisten Themen.



Beste Grüße

Peter


On 21.03.21 10:26, fa...@holdoffice.com wrote:

Hello and my heartfelt thanks to all the eager volunteers out there who give
their free time and skills for the common good!

  


My name is Fabio Siska, I am from Leimen, Germany and I'd like to learn more
about software and development, as I haven't had much to do with it so far
(except writing a few macros in Excel VBA or creating a medium sized
database with Access and VBA).

I am mainly interested in bug reports, feature lists, tutorials, templates,
marketing through tutorials and templates and later on Quality assurance.
Besides German as my native language I speak English very well. I would like
to support the spreading of OpenOffice in general, but especially in the
German speaking countries, by creating tutorials and practical, high quality
templates.

  


That's it from my side for now. I'm glad to be on board with you and look
forward to a fruitful cooperation. Cheers! :-)

  


Fabio



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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Peter Kovacs]

On 25.02.21 10:19, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
  


-Original Message-
From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:22 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; 2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence
Microsoft
stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit
installs.

WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
the statement of Dean at all?


see section 3.1

** Beginning with Windows 10, version 2004, all new Windows 10 systems 
will be required to use 64-bit builds and Microsoft will no longer 
release 32-bit builds for OEM distribution. This does not impact 32-bit 
customer systems that are manufactured with earlier versions of Windows 
10; Microsoft remains committed to providing feature and security 
updates on these devices, including continued 32-bit media availability 
in non-OEM channels to support various upgrade installation scenarios.


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/minimum-hardware-requirements-overview

I think drop of windows 32 bit support as Apple did it, is not feasible 
on Windows, since a lot of the Eco system is still 32 bit.



Despite I do not believe 32 bit will fade away, I have stated that we 
should deliver a 64 bit Windows version of AOO. However the migration 
process is stuck.



@Dean: No I do not work for Microsoft. This is my personal opinion.


I want also to say something to the emotional threads.

I wanted to express my concern that in a lot of times a discussion 
becomes emotional or personal valued. One indication maybe when one 
participant says that OpenOffice is dead or abandoned. Which I keep 
hearing, despite we have Maintenance releases.


They are not the world, but we look after the code. And we make sure we 
fix issues. I asked once fo a definition what would be reasonable for a 
alive project. The answer has been every quarter a release. And at this 
point I think it is not about what makes sense or not. It is about being 
right or not. And this makes discussions very emotional, very quickly.


It was not meant as a general statement on the Forums. Or critics on the 
Forum. I do not have the time to read the forums. I can not judge this. 
And I am fine if the forums support LO and AOO or what ever. Now people 
like Jörg and Hagar seem to feel attacked by me.


I am not sure why, but maybe my English is shaky at the moment, and was 
not well written. So please take my apologies.



All the best

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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Hagar Delest]

I've limited the quotes because they have been really bad in the 
previous messages. Please take care when you want to quote someone else.


Le 26/02/2021 à 02:19, Dean.Webber a écrit :
It was mostly "purely emotional" of the original forum user in their 
response, and I agree that "It is difficult to argue with them". I 
will try to gently educate the users that it is not of concern (at 
this stage) and to stay calm  AOO will be 64bit at some stage 

- Dean


Could you please explain???
I understand you're saying that forum users are emotional and they 
spread false information like MS would drop 32bit support.
I don't remember any power user saying such things. We are hardly 
emotional in the forum, we have taken great care to avoid all the 
trolling and the FUD in all the AOO/LO topics (not that many BTW).
The forum has been a long time champion of AOO (over LO). I think that 
the old subscribers on this list know me (as Hagar on forums and AOO 
mailing lists). Some other forum power users also participate to this 
list from time to time and I don't think "it is difficult to argue with" 
us. Your patronizing is rather ill placed.


Personally, I despise what happened with the forking. I continued to 
support AOO a very long time. However, late last year, the level of this 
very mailing list reached a low that was the trigger for me. More energy 
was wasted on semantics or futile topics, some of the messages in this 
very discussion still show delicate interactions. Thus, I tried LO, 
something I would never have though of before. Just to see. And 
actually, it's good. After several weeks of testing for my production 
work, I can tell that it's better than AOO, it made me save times, ease 
my daily work and is stable.


When it forked, I thought that it would be a great experience for the 
opensource community. Just look at the result years afterward: LO has 
embarked most of the developers! They started from nothing, compared to 
the Apache branding and they managed a marketing plan that got it where 
it is: included in most GNU/Linux distros, corporate support...


I'm still stunned by how many users still don't know about LO and come 
to AOO first. This is the only thing that makes AOO still alive IMHO. 
The AOO project benefits from the huge OOo and Apache 
reputation/history. But I fear that's all.


Can' wait for your gentle education BTW!

Hagar

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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Dean . Webber]

>
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?

> Microsoft
> stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit
> installs.

WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
the statement of Dean at all?

Why Are Most Programs Still 32-bit on a 64-bit Version of Windows? 
(howtogeek.com)<https://www.howtogeek.com/194119/why-are-most-programs-still-32-bit-on-a-64-bit-version-of-windows/>
 <- July 2017
Windows support of third party 32bit applications into the future - Microsoft 
Community<https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/apps_windows_10-winapps-appscat_tools/windows-support-of-third-party-32bit-applications/227db050-3f65-4f7c-ae35-b316c094d492>
 <-  October 2020

Microsoft will eventually be dropping support for 32-bit applications, but due 
to the large number on current programs only available this will not be 
happening in the immediate future. Microsoft are yet to comment officially on 
when this will occur, but (seem to) have made indications this will be the 
case. At this stage, newer versions of window releases will require 64 bit 
hardware, but they will continue to support older 32 bit systems. AOO will have 
to migrate to a 64-bit Windows version eventually... But working on upgrading 
the SDK is the priority at this stage ( "However I think it is more important 
that we upgrade the SDK first. The One we use is ancient." -Peter Kovacs)


> And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit
> environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes
> that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what happens to
> his steam collection, since most games are still 32 bit. ;)

Stop formulating personal attacks here, against the opinions of others!

It is clear that MS will continue to support 32-bit applications for sometime, 
and yes I am curious what this means for everyone's Steam collection  
Ultimately the source of my original post was someone not technically inclined 
thinking MS would be dropping support in the near future for 32-bit programs, 
which as we should all agree is not the case in the immediate future. It was 
mostly "purely emotional" of the original forum user in their response, and I 
agree that "It is difficult to argue with them". I will try to gently educate 
the users that it is not of concern (at this stage) and to stay calm  AOO will 
be 64bit at some stage 

- Dean


From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2021 10:19 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: Introduction and online presence



> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:22 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; 2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz
> Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence

> My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed 
> or updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
> volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
> engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
> developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C17ba4fca739844e25fd708d8d96e6f58%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637498415656542844%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=eoXyKXh6P3FkL7E9G6NBvB7Rnn5A6bVKkrHfqoURfhE%3Dreserved=0
>  and Reddit communities.
Some people say that OpenOffice is dead for 10 years now. IMHO this
discussion is purely emotional. It is difficult to argue with them.

This dicussioin is NOT emotional, but Abbold of our insufficient public 
relations.
It is clear that you, as a PMC member, are trying to deny this, because the PMC 
has for years been completely inadequate in its responsibility in this regard 
and reacts attacked when it is criticized.


>
> It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
> recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
> desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.
>
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?

> Microsoft
> stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit
> installs.

WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
the statement of Dean at all?


> And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit
> environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes
> that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what h

Re: Introduction and online presence

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice herd of cats. Let us know what you find! 
Scratch your itch!

Regards,
Dave

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, glad to be here. I am going to jump right in with my intentions 
> and to share some things.
> 
> During the course of this year, I hope to find a solution to UI issues under 
> Linux with regards to Mint-Y- themes and various other themes under other 
> Linux distributions. This UI issue makes the program hard to use where 
> entering data into text areas (character, pictures, save, calc etc) (more 
> detail https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106=104563)
> 
> I tried to email direct from the list at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers 
> but it seems this list may require update 
> 
> My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed 
> or updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
> volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
> engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
> developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.
> 
> It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
> recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
> desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.
> 
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?
> 
> What I would ultimately like to see, is any serious bugs ironed out that 
> prevent widespread adoption of AOO, I only know of the UI bug, and to see AOO 
> 4.2.0 included as the main Office Suite in Linux Distributions. <- Because 
> AOO is awesome, as are the contributors and volunteers  
> 
> My background, Mechanical Engineering student from New Zealand. I will try to 
> install AOO on various Linux Distributions and check the themes for UI issues.
> 
> Sorry to jump right in without getting a 'feel' for what's happening at the 
> moment in this dev-list. Keep up the great work on your projects everyone   
> 
> 
> All the best.


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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Dave Fisher]

> On Feb 25, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:35 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence
> 
>>>> It seems that the moderators of the forum point users 
>> with issues to use LO, recently to someone with a small issue 
>> such as installing the desktop-integration RPM component of 
>> AOO on Red Hat Linux.
>> 
>> I answer only this point: it is frequently the case that 
>> Forum moderators and Volunteers are faced with a problem from 
>> a user who is panicking about completing a project, and who, 
>> by deduction from their post, lacks computer skills. The 
>> quickest solution (and easiest for an inexperienced user) may 
>> be to direct them to another program, be it LO, or as is 
>> often the case, recommend that they revert to MS Office.  
>> 
>> Volunteers on Forum work, as do those developing, on a pro 
>> bono basis (for which all should be grateful); as time is 
>> precious to us all, Forum volunteers often take the quickest 
>> path to a solution.  It is not their role to educate in the 
>> workings of a computer or to lead an inexperienced user on a 
>> long step by step path to a possible solution.
> 
> This may be true, but we should realize that support work is also work for the
> project, work that determines the quality of AOO.
> We could improve a lot in volunteer support if we organized our work better.

The Forum volunteers are their own sub-team kept intact from before Apache 
OpenOffice.

Their tagline is "User community support forum for Apache OpenOffice, 
LibreOffice and all the OpenOffice.org derivatives”.

This PMC member has no desire to disrupt their efforts.

> 
> And I say this as someone who has been regularly volunteering 10-20 hours a 
> week
> in the http://de.openoffice.info forum for 15 years, so I know very well the
> demands of the field.

Thank you very much. You are running that service, and we are not controlling 
you.

Your service can be found, but not directly from forum.openoffice.org through 
this page [1] which may need updates.

Regards,
Dave

[1] https://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html


> 
> 
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Jörg
> 
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RE: Introduction and online presence

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:35 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence

> > > It seems that the moderators of the forum point users 
> with issues to use LO, recently to someone with a small issue 
> such as installing the desktop-integration RPM component of 
> AOO on Red Hat Linux.
> 
> I answer only this point: it is frequently the case that 
> Forum moderators and Volunteers are faced with a problem from 
> a user who is panicking about completing a project, and who, 
> by deduction from their post, lacks computer skills. The 
> quickest solution (and easiest for an inexperienced user) may 
> be to direct them to another program, be it LO, or as is 
> often the case, recommend that they revert to MS Office.  
> 
> Volunteers on Forum work, as do those developing, on a pro 
> bono basis (for which all should be grateful); as time is 
> precious to us all, Forum volunteers often take the quickest 
> path to a solution.  It is not their role to educate in the 
> workings of a computer or to lead an inexperienced user on a 
> long step by step path to a possible solution.

This may be true, but we should realize that support work is also work for the
project, work that determines the quality of AOO.
We could improve a lot in volunteer support if we organized our work better.

And I say this as someone who has been regularly volunteering 10-20 hours a week
in the http://de.openoffice.info forum for 15 years, so I know very well the
demands of the field.




greetings,
Jörg


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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:19:09 +0100
Jörg Schmidt  wrote:

>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:22 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; 2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz
> > Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence
> 
> > My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed 
> > or updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
> > volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
> > engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
> > developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
> > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.
> Some people say that OpenOffice is dead for 10 years now. IMHO this 
> discussion is purely emotional. It is difficult to argue with them.
> 
> This dicussioin is NOT emotional, but Abbold of our insufficient public 
> relations.
> It is clear that you, as a PMC member, are trying to deny this, because the 
> PMC has for years been completely inadequate in its responsibility in this 
> regard and reacts attacked when it is criticized.
> 
> 
> >
> > It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use 
> > LO, recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
> > desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.

I answer only this point: it is frequently the case that Forum moderators and 
Volunteers are faced with a problem from a user who is panicking about 
completing a project, and who, by deduction from their post, lacks computer 
skills. The quickest solution (and easiest for an inexperienced user) may be to 
direct them to another program, be it LO, or as is often the case, recommend 
that they revert to MS Office.  

Volunteers on Forum work, as do those developing, on a pro bono basis (for 
which all should be grateful); as time is precious to us all, Forum volunteers 
often take the quickest path to a solution.  It is not their role to educate in 
the workings of a computer or to lead an inexperienced user on a long step by 
step path to a possible solution.

Rory

> >
> > It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> > perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?
> 
> > Microsoft 
> > stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit 
> > installs. 
> 
> WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
> the statement of Dean at all?
> 
> 
> > And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit 
> > environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes 
> > that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what happens to 
> > his steam collection, since most games are still 32 bit. ;)
> 
> Stop formulating personal attacks here, against the opinions of others!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jörg
> 
> 
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RE: Introduction and online presence

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:22 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; 2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz
> Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence

> My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed 
> or updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
> volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
> engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
> developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.
Some people say that OpenOffice is dead for 10 years now. IMHO this 
discussion is purely emotional. It is difficult to argue with them.

This dicussioin is NOT emotional, but Abbold of our insufficient public 
relations.
It is clear that you, as a PMC member, are trying to deny this, because the PMC 
has for years been completely inadequate in its responsibility in this regard 
and reacts attacked when it is criticized.


>
> It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
> recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
> desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.
>
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?

> Microsoft 
> stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit 
> installs. 

WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
the statement of Dean at all?


> And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit 
> environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes 
> that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what happens to 
> his steam collection, since most games are still 32 bit. ;)

Stop formulating personal attacks here, against the opinions of others!




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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Peter Kovacs]

Hi Dean,


welcome to the AOO development list.


On 24.02.21 20:35, Dean.Webber wrote:

Hi everyone, glad to be here. I am going to jump right in with my intentions 
and to share some things.

During the course of this year, I hope to find a solution to UI issues under Linux 
with regards to Mint-Y- themes and various other themes under other Linux 
distributions. This UI issue makes the program hard to use where entering data into 
text areas (character, pictures, save, calc etc) (more detail 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106=104563)


GTK (Linux) GUI. At least I am am aware of the Issue. I even had done 
the analysis. What I did not manage to review how it is done correctly. 
The Code is not right.


I thought I noted the case somewhere. But I just figured out that I 
noted: [no issue yet] clean switch between GTK2 and GTK3


Argh Well I hope I can figure I find the code piece quickly. I know 
what to look for.


Should I put this on the priority list?



I tried to email direct from the list at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers 
but it seems this list may require update 

Take it as an invite to make suggestions.


My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed or 
updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.
Some people say that OpenOffice is dead for 10 years now. IMHO this 
discussion is purely emotional. It is difficult to argue with them.


It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.

It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so perhaps 
a x64 edition of AOO?


Microsoft and 32 bit support. People should read closely. Microsoft 
stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit 
installs. And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit 
environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes 
that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what happens to 
his steam collection, since most games are still 32 bit. ;)


However that is not an excuse for the situation on OpenOffice 64 bit 
version. The development has been started, but is now stuck I think for 
2 years now. I am not currently sure where Damjan stopped. I think in 
the lower uno layers.


I guess therefor we will continue if we look into this topic deeper. 
Probably together with the silicon port. However I think it is more 
important that we upgrade the SDK first. The One we wuse is ancient. :(




What I would ultimately like to see, is any serious bugs ironed out that prevent 
widespread adoption of AOO, I only know of the UI bug, and to see AOO 4.2.0 
included as the main Office Suite in Linux Distributions. <- Because AOO is 
awesome, as are the contributors and volunteers  

We would like to see that too. Easier said then done. :-D


My background, Mechanical Engineering student from New Zealand. I will try to 
install AOO on various Linux Distributions and check the themes for UI issues.

Sorry to jump right in without getting a 'feel' for what's happening at the 
moment in this dev-list. Keep up the great work on your projects everyone   
You are welcome to post your findings. If you want you can apply for an 
Bugzilla account and note your findings there. However I would rather 
suggest to test with the 4.2.0 Version.


All the best.


All the best

Peter

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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Dean . Webber]

Hi everyone, glad to be here. I am going to jump right in with my intentions 
and to share some things.

During the course of this year, I hope to find a solution to UI issues under 
Linux with regards to Mint-Y- themes and various other themes under other 
Linux distributions. This UI issue makes the program hard to use where entering 
data into text areas (character, pictures, save, calc etc) (more detail 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106=104563)

I tried to email direct from the list at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers 
but it seems this list may require update 

My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed or 
updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.

It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.

It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so perhaps 
a x64 edition of AOO?

What I would ultimately like to see, is any serious bugs ironed out that 
prevent widespread adoption of AOO, I only know of the UI bug, and to see AOO 
4.2.0 included as the main Office Suite in Linux Distributions. <- Because AOO 
is awesome, as are the contributors and volunteers  

My background, Mechanical Engineering student from New Zealand. I will try to 
install AOO on various Linux Distributions and check the themes for UI issues.

Sorry to jump right in without getting a 'feel' for what's happening at the 
moment in this dev-list. Keep up the great work on your projects everyone   

All the best.

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Karim]

Hi Im a software developer with experience in C++ MFC/Qt and some knowledge of 
gtkmm,  i work currently as an iOS developer Objective-C/Swift i have 
experience in ARM assembly i have good knowledge of STL, i'm from Algeria i'm 
interested in to contributing to OpenOffice  C++ codebase.

Re: Introduction

[Xen]

John D'Orazio schreef op 01-10-2016 1:10:


I still don't quite get what this phrase is trying to express, and it
really sounds like Yoda to me too. I would certainly try to rephrase it 
so
it flows better. My understanding is that this is what it's trying to 
get

across:
"You will often find in the mailing lists that a shortcut notation is 
used

to refer to the same lists. Writing a list name in full, like
dev@openoffice.apache.org can be tedious. So you will often see it 
called

just "dev"."


Well, that's it entirely.

A useful shortcut notation you will often see on the lists. Writing a 
list
name in full, like dev@openoffice.apache.org can be tedious. So you 
will

often see it called just "dev". Similarly, top-level lists like
tradema...@apache.org are often referred to as "trademarks@". This 
shortcut

can be used to refer either to the mailing list and to the team that
operates the mailing list. The context should make it clear, e.g., "You
should check with trademarks@ on whether this will be problem"."


The preceding 2 sections were about the mailing lists. While on the same 
topic, the person writing has a thing on their mind.


It first mentions the thing without describing it in full. But what it 
fully expresses is just what it says of course :p.


The closest alternative is:

"Often times on the lists you will find that a shorthand notation is 
being used to refer to these lists. This shorthand notation will be like 
"dev" or also "trademarks@" and both will refer to a mailing list, in 
case you didn't yet realize ;-). The notation can also refer to the team 
that operates the mailing list. The context in which it is used should 
make that clear, e.g. "You should check with trademarks@ on whether this 
will be a problem." would refer to the people on that list. These lists 
reference "dev@openoffice.apache.org" and 
"tradema...@office.apache.org", just to be clear. The reason is that 
writing the list name in full could be quite tedious."


Well, in my style, perhaps.

If you would want to analyse:


A useful shortcut notation you will often see on the lists.


- person just came up with something he had almost forgotten and 
references it in advance as in "oh yes", points to thing.


Writing a list name in full, like dev@openoffice.apache.org can be 
tedious.


- reason for the thing that is going to be described


So you will often see it called just "dev".


- references both the thing and the reason for it

Similarly, top-level lists like tradema...@apache.org are often 
referred to as "trademarks@".


- describes the thing further, and the reasons for it.


This shortcut can be used to refer either to the mailing list
and to the team that operates the mailing list.


- Mentions that the previous two things were the shortcut first hinted 
at.



The context should make it clear, e.g., "You
should check with trademarks@ on whether this will be problem"."


- explains last sentence.

Point is that yes it is Yoda style. And if you skip reading the other 
parts or you jump into the text it is quite incomprehensible, perhaps, 
yes, I think.


But it's no different than.

"Another thing. I mentioned earlier that ... I still feel you should do 
it but there are reasons bla. It is just not right yet."


It is just something someone would say that just came up with something 
important that was nearly forgotten, or something of the kind.


If you took it out of the paragraph and turned it into a header it would 
suddenly make more sense:


5. A useful shortcut notation you will often see on the lists.

Writing a list name in full, like dev@openoffice.apache.org can be 
tedious. So you will often see it called just "dev". Similarly, 
top-level lists like tradema...@apache.org are often referred to as 
"trademarks@". This shortcut can be used to refer either to the mailing 
list and to the team that operates the mailing list. The context should 
make it clear, e.g., "You should check with trademarks@ on whether this 
will be problem"."


Because it is exactly that, the text is just not formatted that way.

It's a header not formatted as a header, that's all ;-).

It's an announcement of what is to follow, like a header would be.

Maybe it's pedantic, but yeah. That's just... I think what it 
exactly is, or close to it.


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Re: Introduction

[John D'Orazio]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Xen  wrote:

> R. Mark Aldrich schreef op 28-09-2016 22:55:
>
> Section 5 starts with
>> "A useful shortcut notation you will often see on the lists.", which
>> makes sense if you read it as Yoda, but I think it would make more
>> sense to change it to "You will often see useful shortcut notations on
>> the lists."
>>
>
> That has a different meaning.
>
> The author is not saying that you will often see useful shortcut notations
> on the lists. The phrase references a part that has not been uttered, so
> you would have to say something like "Some useful  you may come across
> on the lists are "dev" and "..." as abbreviations of mailing lists" --
> because the existing statement consists of parts, and so if you want to put
> it "back together" you must unite those parts.
>
> In general you cannot rewrite individual statements, you must rewrite the
> whole thing if you want the text to keep its flow and consistency and
> meaning.
>
> It's the same as
>
> "Something you may want to know about... Yesterday I came across something
> I want you to know, and it is that ...". It is just a way of conversing, or
> phrasing things.
>
> or
>
> "That thing I was thinking about. You have heard it before. It is ...".
>
> So if you change it, you must at least rewrite the whole section. But
> ideally you would change the whole thing (in style) ;-).
>
> Personally I would only do so if I thought a different style would be more
> readable and more comfortable or convenient as a way of relaxing.
>
> Less staccato, and more fluid, perhaps.
>
> Anyway, just saying ;-).
>
> However the current style precisely expresses what it needed to express.
> Fixing stuff and then discovering that the result is worse than before is
> not a good way to spend time ;-).
>
> Regards.


I still don't quite get what this phrase is trying to express, and it
really sounds like Yoda to me too. I would certainly try to rephrase it so
it flows better. My understanding is that this is what it's trying to get
across:
"You will often find in the mailing lists that a shortcut notation is used
to refer to the same lists. Writing a list name in full, like
dev@openoffice.apache.org can be tedious. So you will often see it called
just "dev"."


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Re: Introduction

[Keith N. McKenna]

R. Mark Aldrich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Well, I have finished reading through the section titled "Introduction to 
> Contributing to Apache OpenOffice". There are a couple of things which I need 
> to point out to the webpage editor. Section 5 starts with "A useful shortcut 
> notation you will often see on the lists.", which makes sense if you read it 
> as Yoda, but I think it would make more sense to change it to "You will often 
> see useful shortcut notations on the lists."  The other problem I noticed is 
> in section 9.3., "Our Bugzilla database (sometimes called BZ) where we report 
> and track status on bugs." has Bugzilla as a link, but the destination of the 
> link is the "Intro..." page. Thanks for putting up with my nit-picking.
> 
> Mark
> 
Mark;

Thank you for reporting the problem with the link to Bugzilla. I have
edited that page and inserted the proper link.

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R. Mark Aldrich schreef op 28-09-2016 22:55:


Section 5 starts with
"A useful shortcut notation you will often see on the lists.", which
makes sense if you read it as Yoda, but I think it would make more
sense to change it to "You will often see useful shortcut notations on
the lists."


That has a different meaning.

The author is not saying that you will often see useful shortcut 
notations on the lists. The phrase references a part that has not been 
uttered, so you would have to say something like "Some useful  you 
may come across on the lists are "dev" and "..." as abbreviations of 
mailing lists" -- because the existing statement consists of parts, and 
so if you want to put it "back together" you must unite those parts.


In general you cannot rewrite individual statements, you must rewrite 
the whole thing if you want the text to keep its flow and consistency 
and meaning.


It's the same as

"Something you may want to know about... Yesterday I came across 
something I want you to know, and it is that ...". It is just a way of 
conversing, or phrasing things.


or

"That thing I was thinking about. You have heard it before. It is ...".

So if you change it, you must at least rewrite the whole section. But 
ideally you would change the whole thing (in style) ;-).


Personally I would only do so if I thought a different style would be 
more readable and more comfortable or convenient as a way of relaxing.


Less staccato, and more fluid, perhaps.

Anyway, just saying ;-).

However the current style precisely expresses what it needed to express. 
Fixing stuff and then discovering that the result is worse than before 
is not a good way to spend time ;-).


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Introduction

[R. Mark Aldrich]

Hi,

Well, I have finished reading through the section titled "Introduction to 
Contributing to Apache OpenOffice". There are a couple of things which I need 
to point out to the webpage editor. Section 5 starts with "A useful shortcut 
notation you will often see on the lists.", which makes sense if you read it as 
Yoda, but I think it would make more sense to change it to "You will often see 
useful shortcut notations on the lists."  The other problem I noticed is in 
section 9.3., "Our Bugzilla database (sometimes called BZ) where we report and 
track status on bugs." has Bugzilla as a link, but the destination of the link 
is the "Intro..." page. Thanks for putting up with my nit-picking.

Mark

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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Patricia Shanahan]

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 09:41, Ed Fallin  wrote:
> 
> Hi there Phillip and Patricia —
> 
> Thanks for your e-mails.  Is now the right time not to send to all?  I’m 
> happy to avoid that but, I don’t want to be a lurker.

I have requested creation of a recruitment mailing list. Once created it will 
be a home for new people to work together on getting started. Meanwhile, dev@ 
is a good place. 

> I have a Mac and I have two Windows boxes, I don’t know the details but if 
> people think it’s worth it, maybe I could install a Linux partition on one of 
> those.  I use Visual Studio, now 2015 edition, and I’ve used Xcode with Obj-C 
> and Swift a bit, but if there’s a free/ish version of another IDE you 
> recommend, I can install that.

There is an urgent need for building and testing on Mac. It is our second most 
popular user platform, after Windows.


> Re where I live, it’s Los Angeles, in Koreatown which is central, near 
> downtown.
> 
> I’ll start diving into “how to get started” on the site further, but any 
> brief look-here directions anyone is willing to offer will help, and if 
> anyone is willing to say they’ll provide (very brief) go-here help / a little 
> extra review for C++, that would be great.  I always work TDD or test-bound 
> as I call it ( == test before any first use ), but I could miss things. 
> 
> Otherwise I’ll try to work solely from the join-lists direction and other 
> advice on the site.
> 
> PS, Love this:  This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
> 
> Proceeding slowly but surely.
> — Ed Fallin
> 
> 


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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Ed Fallin]

Hi there Phillip and Patricia —

Thanks for your e-mails.  Is now the right time not to send to all?  I’m happy 
to avoid that but, I don’t want to be a lurker.

So, it’s interesting that some is C++ and some Java, and Yes I think the Java 
side will be easy to pick up, but I’ll aim to work on both.  My contributions 
may not be massive, but I will try to at least have a steadyish drip-drip-drip 
after ramp-up time.  Mixed metaphor.

I have a Mac and I have two Windows boxes, I don’t know the details but if 
people think it’s worth it, maybe I could install a Linux partition on one of 
those.  I use Visual Studio, now 2015 edition, and I’ve used Xcode with Obj-C 
and Swift a bit, but if there’s a free/ish version of another IDE you 
recommend, I can install that.

Re where I live, it’s Los Angeles, in Koreatown which is central, near downtown.

I’ll start diving into “how to get started” on the site further, but any brief 
look-here directions anyone is willing to offer will help, and if anyone is 
willing to say they’ll provide (very brief) go-here help / a little extra 
review for C++, that would be great.  I always work TDD or test-bound as I call 
it ( == test before any first use ), but I could miss things. 

Otherwise I’ll try to work solely from the join-lists direction and other 
advice on the site.

PS, Love this:  This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM

Proceeding slowly but surely.
— Ed Fallin

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Patricia Shanahan]

Welcome aboard, Ed.

More comments interleaved.

On 9/2/2016 11:44 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:

Welcome to the project, Ed.  Don't sweat the lack of C++ experience.  Not
everything is in C++, and
you can pick up the C++ knowledge as you go.  I'm in a little bit of the
same boat, as I *was* a C++
programmer - about 15 years ago.   It's been quite a while for me, so I'm
going to have to basically
relearn C++ to get into AOO development.  But hey, it'll be a fun
experience in it's own right anyway!


Specifically, some of the code is in Java, which a C# programmer may 
pick up even quicker than C++.




As to the rest of your questions, I'll defer to other more experienced
members of the project to offer
their commentary.


Cheers,


Phil

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Ed Fallin  wrote:


Hello there —

Having read an article in Ars about your difficulties keeping a large
group on the project, I’d like to join.  It looks like you have a C++ code
base, whereas my experience is primarily in C#.  I have touched on and read
upon C++ though.  My day job is a dev in a C# base, and I’m doing some of
my own stuff in that technology of an evening, primarily web-facing with an
emphasis on using abstraction and design to enhance feature sets with fewer
lines of code.  I’ve been programming professionally for about 5 years, I
follow the principles of clean code and TDD in my work.

I’m located in California, SoCal to be specific.


Where in SoCal? I live in El Cajon, east side of San Diego.



C# notwithstanding, if you’d value my joining your work, I’d like to do a
little bit here and there at first to get solid in C++, avoiding memory
leaks and so on (if those are still an issue — is there a GC now?), perhaps
with let’s say "enhanced review” from a tolerant mentor.  As time goes by I
could address bigger topics with minimal support.

Is this reasonable?  Helpful?


Very reasonable. Experience in any C-derived object-orientated language 
is likely to be helpful.


What systems do you have available for development? Windows? Mac? Linux? ...



Someone please let me know!

— Ed Fallin


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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Phillip Rhodes]

Welcome to the project, Ed.  Don't sweat the lack of C++ experience.  Not
everything is in C++, and
you can pick up the C++ knowledge as you go.  I'm in a little bit of the
same boat, as I *was* a C++
programmer - about 15 years ago.   It's been quite a while for me, so I'm
going to have to basically
relearn C++ to get into AOO development.  But hey, it'll be a fun
experience in it's own right anyway!

As to the rest of your questions, I'll defer to other more experienced
members of the project to offer
their commentary.


Cheers,


Phil

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Ed Fallin  wrote:

> Hello there —
>
> Having read an article in Ars about your difficulties keeping a large
> group on the project, I’d like to join.  It looks like you have a C++ code
> base, whereas my experience is primarily in C#.  I have touched on and read
> upon C++ though.  My day job is a dev in a C# base, and I’m doing some of
> my own stuff in that technology of an evening, primarily web-facing with an
> emphasis on using abstraction and design to enhance feature sets with fewer
> lines of code.  I’ve been programming professionally for about 5 years, I
> follow the principles of clean code and TDD in my work.
>
> I’m located in California, SoCal to be specific.
>
> C# notwithstanding, if you’d value my joining your work, I’d like to do a
> little bit here and there at first to get solid in C++, avoiding memory
> leaks and so on (if those are still an issue — is there a GC now?), perhaps
> with let’s say "enhanced review” from a tolerant mentor.  As time goes by I
> could address bigger topics with minimal support.
>
> Is this reasonable?  Helpful?
>
> Someone please let me know!
>
> — Ed Fallin
>
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Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Ed Fallin]

Hello there —

Having read an article in Ars about your difficulties keeping a large group on 
the project, I’d like to join.  It looks like you have a C++ code base, whereas 
my experience is primarily in C#.  I have touched on and read upon C++ though.  
My day job is a dev in a C# base, and I’m doing some of my own stuff in that 
technology of an evening, primarily web-facing with an emphasis on using 
abstraction and design to enhance feature sets with fewer lines of code.  I’ve 
been programming professionally for about 5 years, I follow the principles of 
clean code and TDD in my work.

I’m located in California, SoCal to be specific.

C# notwithstanding, if you’d value my joining your work, I’d like to do a 
little bit here and there at first to get solid in C++, avoiding memory leaks 
and so on (if those are still an issue — is there a GC now?), perhaps with 
let’s say "enhanced review” from a tolerant mentor.  As time goes by I could 
address bigger topics with minimal support.

Is this reasonable?  Helpful?

Someone please let me know!

— Ed Fallin


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Re: Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Damjan Jovanovic]

Hi Shivam

Welcome to OpenOffice! Thank you for your interest. Please subscribe to our
development mailing list (
http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#development-mailing-list-public)
if you haven't already.

Any idea what you would like to contribute to?

Regards
Damjan

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Shivam Jha  wrote:

> Hello Everyone
>
> I'm Shivam Jha an Engineering (Bachelors) student from Kanpur, U.P. ,India.
> I am currently looking for some open source projects to contribute to and
> found OpenOffice interesting.
> As a newbie to open source I would like to start as soon as possible in
> Open Source.
>
> Thanks. 
>

Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Shivam Jha]

Hello Everyone

I'm Shivam Jha an Engineering (Bachelors) student from Kanpur, U.P. ,India.
I am currently looking for some open source projects to contribute to and
found OpenOffice interesting.
As a newbie to open source I would like to start as soon as possible in
Open Source.

Thanks. 

Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Stanimir]

Stanimir Atanasov.

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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Stanimir  wrote:

> Hello, Apache OpenOffice community,
>
> My name is Stanimir Atanasov and i am from Bulgaria.
> I am a 4rd year computer science student.
> I have some experience with C++, Java, C# from student projects.
> I want to volunteer for the project, to better my skills in programming,
> to help as much as i can. I am interested in long term volunteering.
>
> Regards, Stanimir Atanasov.
>
>
​Welcome to the  Apache OpenOffice community! We look forward to your
participation.



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[Stanimir]

Hello, Apache OpenOffice community,

My name is Stanimir Atanasov and i am from Bulgaria.
I am a 4rd year computer science student.
I have some experience with C++, Java, C# from student projects.
I want to volunteer for the project, to better my skills in programming,
to help as much as i can. I am interested in long term volunteering.

Regards, Stanimir Atanasov.

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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Damjan Jovanovic]

Hi Jon

Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. It's good to hear from you. Please subscribe
to this mailing list if you haven't already, and feel free to email any
questions you've got.

Regards
Damjan


On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 10:56 PM, jon.tottman  wrote:

>
> Hi Team,
> I am Jon I'm 28 and from London UK. I am really interested in getting
> involved. I will be starting a Computer Science degree in September and
> think this will really help me get some knowledge.I am really keen to
> understand what your doing and how I can make some supportive contribution.
> I have seen the readings to give me a basic knowledge of it and will be
> doing so over the next day or two. Just thought I'd say hi and introduce
> myself.
> Thanks
> Jon
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[jon.tottman]

Hi Team,
I am Jon I'm 28 and from London UK. I am really interested in getting involved. 
I will be starting a Computer Science degree in September and think this will 
really help me get some knowledge.I am really keen to understand what your 
doing and how I can make some supportive contribution. I have seen the readings 
to give me a basic knowledge of it and will be doing so over the next day or 
two. Just thought I'd say hi and introduce myself. 
Thanks
Jon

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

Introduction

[Chris Sirrs]

Hello,

My name is Chris. I am a recent university graduate from Canada interested in 
pursuing a career in technical writing. As such, I am interested in the 
opportunity of creating technical documentation for open source projects like 
Open Office as a means of acquiring experience. As I move through the 
orientation modules, I will send any questions I have to this mailing list.

Chris

Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Chris Sirrs]

I've gotten myself registered on the recommended online services and have added 
my info to the volunteer directory.

Chris

Volunteer Introduction - Theodore Matula

[Buddy Matula]

Hello,

My name is Theodore Matula and I am a new volunteer in QA for the Open
Office Project. I am from Irvine, California and am interested in gaining
QA and testing experience. Thank you

Sincerely,
Theodore Matula

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Rajesh Shirpurkar]

Dear Sir,
I am Rajesh Shirpurkar, I am from Aurangabad, India. I am a chemical engineer. 
working in the pharmaceutical company.
Recently I have started using Apache Open office. After reviewing the official 
web site of ASF, I am very much impressed about the activities of this group. I 
am interested to join as volunteer. 
I do not have experience in the software development. Previously I was using MS 
office and I posses very good command on MS excel and wish to contribute open 
office.
 I am ready to learn the required things.

Thanks,
Rajesh Shirpurkar

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Introduction

[Allison Nonko]

Hello,

My name is Allison and I'm a new volunteer. I live in the Boston area and
I'm currently trying to break into the technical writing field. I have no
prior experience and thought contributing to OpenOffice would be a great
place to get some experience. I'm mostly interested in documentation.

Thanks! As a note, I have finished level 1 of the orientation module.

Best,
Allison

Re: Introduction

[Keith N. McKenna]

Allison Nonko wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My name is Allison and I'm a new volunteer. I live in the Boston area and
> I'm currently trying to break into the technical writing field. I have no
> prior experience and thought contributing to OpenOffice would be a great
> place to get some experience. I'm mostly interested in documentation.
> 
> Thanks! As a note, I have finished level 1 of the orientation module.
> 
> Best,
> Allison
> 
Greetings Allison;

Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. If your main interest in volunteering is
in documentation, you should definitely subscribe to the documentation
ailing list and read the documentation orientation page at
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html. The orientation
page will give you directions on subscribing to the doc mailing list.

Regards
Keith N. McKenna



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RE: Introduction

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Hello Allison,

In addition to subscribing to the doc mailing list, a possible place of 
interest is the User Guide work on the OpenOffice.org Wiki, at 
<https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide>, part of the overall 
<https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page>.

The <http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html> that Keith 
mentions provides instructions on obtaining an account for editing the Wiki.  
You will need to subscribe to docs@ openoffice.apache.org first.

For other forms of writing, there was a project to produce printable 
documentation that has gone silent, although there were some skeleton drafts.  

Finally, it is important to be conversant with the software itself.  Also, keep 
in mind that, beside the international reach of the OpenOffice community, 87% 
of downloads are for Windows, about 8% are for Macintosh, and the remaining 
4-5% is for all other platforms.

Welcome,

 - Dennis
 



> -Original Message-
> From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:14
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction
> 
> Allison Nonko wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > My name is Allison and I'm a new volunteer. I live in the Boston area
> and
> > I'm currently trying to break into the technical writing field. I have
> no
> > prior experience and thought contributing to OpenOffice would be a
> great
> > place to get some experience. I'm mostly interested in documentation.
> >
> > Thanks! As a note, I have finished level 1 of the orientation module.
> >
> > Best,
> > Allison
> >
> Greetings Allison;
> 
> Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. If your main interest in volunteering is
> in documentation, you should definitely subscribe to the documentation
> ailing list and read the documentation orientation page at
> http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html. The orientation
> page will give you directions on subscribing to the doc mailing list.
> 
> Regards
> Keith N. McKenna



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[Azeem]

Hello devs,

This is Azeem. I'm a student from India, doing B.Tech in National 
Institute of Technology Karnataka, Surathkal. I'm kind of very new to 
this open source projects and I'm willing to contribute something to the 
open office project. Any help to get me started would be of great help.


Thank you

Regards,
Azeem

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Павло]

Hi!
My name is Patliakevych Paul, i am 20 years old and i am from Ukraine. At the 
moment i`m looking for any job connected with quality assurance. I`d like to 
help your project and have some expierence. Now i`m working at Module 1.
Best regards,
Paul

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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Deepa Krishnan]

Hi Paul,

The prize money for the hackathon initially is $5000. You can form a team
of cool developers and work on it. IF you solution wins, there are people
here who want to scale it into a workable solution. IF you have questions,
pls call me 408.442.8967

I am helping out with marketing Smartcities hackathon for TiE SV.  We have
a virtual global smartcities hackathon coming up in Jan 2016. Please
sign-up here to solve some of the urban issues through your amazing
creativity. Thank you for being gracious and passing the message to your
friends as well. Merry Christmas and a very happy new year!!


Youtube animated video: https://youtu.be/thzLDECcMmE
(explains what hackathon is)

Website: http://www.tiesmartcities.org/
(updated to explain more about hackathon)

FAQs: http://www.tiesmartcities.org/#!developer-faqs/cjg9
(in case they want a more detailed explanation)





Thanks,
Deepa

Thanks,
Deepa

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Павло  wrote:

> Hi!
> My name is Patliakevych Paul, i am 20 years old and i am from Ukraine. At
> the moment i`m looking for any job connected with quality assurance. I`d
> like to help your project and have some expierence. Now i`m working at
> Module 1.
> Best regards,
> Paul
>
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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

On 12/03/2015 12:38 AM, Павло wrote:
> Hi! My name is Patliakevych Paul, i am 20 years old and i am from
> Ukraine. At the moment i`m looking for any job connected with
> quality assurance. I`d like to help your project and have some
> expierence. Now i`m working at Module 1. Best regards, Paul

Hello Paul and thank you for your Interest in Apache OpenOffice.

We have a QA team that can always use additional help. We'd love to
hear more from you in this area.

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 Just don't fight about it.
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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[FR web forum]

>Please no ribbon.

This is not a matter of taste and vote for or against the ribbon.
Just that NeoShine has took OOo code and could pay its tribute to enhance AOO 
:-)

Note that LibO take this way too:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar

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NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[FR web forum]

Hello list,

Distributed with NeoKylin in China, NeoShine introduce a ribbon:
http://oooforum.free.fr/images/neokylin_writer.png
http://oooforum.free.fr/images/neokylin_calc.png

I don't speak chinese but maybe these developers could be contacted.
This enhancement could be back-ported in AOO?

Website: http://cs2c.com.cn/

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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[donaldupre .]

Please no ribbon.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:36 PM, FR web forum  wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> Distributed with NeoKylin in China, NeoShine introduce a ribbon:
> http://oooforum.free.fr/images/neokylin_writer.png
> http://oooforum.free.fr/images/neokylin_calc.png
>
> I don't speak chinese but maybe these developers could be contacted.
> This enhancement could be back-ported in AOO?
>
> Website: http://cs2c.com.cn/
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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[Mathias Röllig]

Please no ribbon.


+1

mr

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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[Mauricio Baeza]

On 10/16/2015 10:47 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote:

Please no ribbon.


+1



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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:55:03 -0500
Mauricio Baeza  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 10/16/2015 10:47 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote:
> >> Please no ribbon.
> >
> > +1
> >
> 
> +10

I don't see the ribbon structure doing anything that the Sidebar doesn't or 
couldn't do.  With the current fashion for landscape screens the Sidebar makes 
more sense to me.

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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[JZA]

I do wish the sidebar could somehow evolve. There is a great sidebar by
other office suites like KOffice and Apple's Numbers.
http://www7.pcmag.com/media/images/413360-apple-pages-for-mac-interface.jpg?thumb=y
https://community.logos.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/75/3554.Numbers.png
KOffice:
http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/kspread.png
http://www.netupd8.com/w8img/jsiyyc.jpg


On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:55:03 -0500
> Mauricio Baeza  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/2015 10:47 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote:
> > >> Please no ribbon.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> >
> > +10
>
> I don't see the ribbon structure doing anything that the Sidebar doesn't
> or couldn't do.  With the current fashion for landscape screens the Sidebar
> makes more sense to me.
>
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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[donaldupre .]

"You've gotta be original, because if you're like someone else, what do
they need you for?" - Bernadette Peters

I like to see as much as possible of my document on the screen, regardless
of screen aspect ratio or ribbon orientation (sidebar or horizontal).

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:55:03 -0500
> Mauricio Baeza  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/2015 10:47 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote:
> > >> Please no ribbon.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> >
> > +10
>
> I don't see the ribbon structure doing anything that the Sidebar doesn't
> or couldn't do.  With the current fashion for landscape screens the Sidebar
> makes more sense to me.
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell 
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Re: NeoShine: ribbon introduction

[JZA]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:22 AM, donaldupre .  wrote:

> "You've gotta be original, because if you're like someone else, what do
> they need you for?" - Bernadette Peters
>
> I like to see as much as possible of my document on the screen, regardless
> of screen aspect ratio or ribbon orientation (sidebar or horizontal).
>

​Ctrl-Shift-J :)​




>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:55:03 -0500
> > Mauricio Baeza  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/16/2015 10:47 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote:
> > > >> Please no ribbon.
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > >
> > > +10
> >
> > I don't see the ribbon structure doing anything that the Sidebar doesn't
> > or couldn't do.  With the current fashion for landscape screens the
> Sidebar
> > makes more sense to me.
> >
> > --
> > Rory O'Farrell 
> >
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INTRODUCTION - Perry 'Johnny' Levine

[Perry 'Johnny' Levine]

My name is Perry 'Johhny' Levine.

I'm from Cherry Hill, NJ and have been teaching spreadsheet programs
at the Cherry Hill Public Library for the past 10 years.  The course began
teaching Excel and now includes both OpenOffice and Libra spreadsheets.

The course consists of 3 sessions each 2.5 hours in duration with as many
as 20 attendees per session.  The course is repeated on a monthly basis.

Primary my interest is in the casual use of spreadsheets for home use but
also teach 'functions' to those in the job market or currently employed and
need to improve their spreadsheet skills.

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[Evgeniya Kozyreva]

Hi everybody,

I'm looking to start contributing to Apache OpenOffice.

My name is Eugenia, and I'm currently working as a Localization QA 
tester in computer games industry. I'm originally from Belarus, now 
living in Montreal, Canada.


I would like to start by working with bug tickets and documentation, and 
eventually move to debugging and test writing.


This is my Linkedin profile, just in case: 
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/eugeniakozyreva



Best regards,
Eugenia Kozyreva

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Keith N. McKenna]

Evgeniya Kozyreva wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I'm looking to start contributing to Apache OpenOffice.
> 
> My name is Eugenia, and I'm currently working as a Localization QA
> tester in computer games industry. I'm originally from Belarus, now
> living in Montreal, Canada.
> 
> I would like to start by working with bug tickets and documentation, and
> eventually move to debugging and test writing.
> 
> This is my Linkedin profile, just in case:
> https://ca.linkedin.com/in/eugeniakozyreva
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Eugenia Kozyreva
> 
Greetings Eugenia and Welcome to Apache OpenOffice;

You have started at the right place. If you are new to open source and
especially to Apache, we strongly suggest that you go through the level
one and two to get a feel for how the project works and the
infra-structure. Then since you are interested in QA and Documentation
the level 3 Introductions to those 2 areas. They can all be reached from
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html.

I would also strongly suggest that you subscribe to this dev mailing
list as this is our main means of communication and decision making.
Instructions are at
http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#development-mailing-list-public.

Regards
Keith N; McKenna





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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

On 09/07/2015 01:54 PM, OO Bugs wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I started using Apache OpenOffice earlier this year.
> I haven't had MS Office on my computer since my license expired a couple of
> years ago.  However, I don't ever remember MS Office working as well as
> OpenOffice does.
> 
> I have several years of experience writing code in Java and C++, so I
> decided it was time to start giving back to this project.
> 

Hello and welcome to Apache OpenOffice!

We usually suggest going through our Orientation modules as an
introduction to how things work:

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

Given your background, you'll probably find the Development module
useful. Most of Apache OpenOffice is written in C++.

We are here to make your volunteer experience successful, so please use
this list for any questions you may have.

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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[JZA]

Glad you want to contribute, hope to see you here for the long road.

Welcome.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 3:54 PM, OO Bugs  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I started using Apache OpenOffice earlier this year.
> I haven't had MS Office on my computer since my license expired a couple of
> years ago.  However, I don't ever remember MS Office working as well as
> OpenOffice does.
>
> I have several years of experience writing code in Java and C++, so I
> decided it was time to start giving back to this project.
>



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[OO Bugs]

Hello,

I started using Apache OpenOffice earlier this year.
I haven't had MS Office on my computer since my license expired a couple of
years ago.  However, I don't ever remember MS Office working as well as
OpenOffice does.

I have several years of experience writing code in Java and C++, so I
decided it was time to start giving back to this project.

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Hassan Moslim]

Symphony v60

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ali Abbassi love_future_4w...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Hi my name is Ali looking to participate in open office project


Welcome Ali. We suggest that new volunteers go through our Orientation
modules:

 http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

They will give you an overview of how the Apache Software Foundation works,
and direct you to some areas of interest in Apache OpenOffice.

We are to help make your volunteer experience successful!


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Hi my name is Ali looking to participate in open office project

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Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

On 07/09/2015 12:49 PM, Mark Officer wrote:
 Hello,
 My name is Mark Officer and my background is in software product
 management/marketing and as such I would like to get involved in
 OpenOffice in these areas.  I live in New Hampshire, US.
 
 Thank you,
 Mark


Thanks for your interest in Apache OpenOffice, Mark. You seem to have an
interesting mix of experience which we can surely use. Please feel free
to ask questions or make suggestions on any of our mailing lists.
We value your contributions.


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 to live by them.
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[Mark Officer]

Hello,
My name is Mark Officer and my background is in software product 
management/marketing and as such I would like to get involved in 
OpenOffice in these areas.  I live in New Hampshire, US.


Thank you,
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[aarn.wong]

Hi,


I have completed the introduction to contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module.


Thanks,


Aaron

New Volunteer Introduction

[Nhien Le]

Hello all,

My name is Nhien Le, and I'm from Dallas, Texas, and just starting out with
volunteering for OpenOffice. I'm eager to help out with writing technical
documentation for the project, and I'm looking forward to working alongside
my fellow volunteers.

Best,

Nhien Le

Introduction

[Jason Marshall]

Hi


My name is Jason Marshall.  I am writing in order to introduce myself to the 
project in the first instance.  I am aiming to contribute to the project from a 
development point of view, but would be interested in helping with testing and 
documentation.  I am from Newcastle Upon Tyne in the United Kingdom and 
originally trained to degree level in Software Engineering in 2001.  I then 
went on to work for the internal software house in British telecom for five 
years, which included roles such as developer, component designer and a little 
simple solution design.  I worked heavily with extract, transform and load 
aspects of data warehousing, coding in PLSQL and Ab Initio.  I would also 
inherently write Unix shell scripts, which I particularly enjoyed.  I 
subsequently moved to some design and made us of the Unified Modelling 
Language.  I have had some experience of ‘hot house' development.  I also have 
experience with Java and C++, as well as the usual skills with HTML.  I enjoy 
writing and working to document complex ideas so that they are accessible to 
everyone, hence my interest in documentation.


I left IT in 2006 in order to retrain in a social science role and currently 
work in such a role for local government.  However, I am aware that currently 
demand for IT professionals is high and I would like to re-enter the profession 
and so hope to be able to refresh my skills and experience, as well as giving 
something back and serving this project.  I have been a long-time user of 
OpenOffice, having first installed it when I was handed a free CD by Sun 
Microsystems in 1999.  Consequently, I have used OpenOffice for many years.


Away from IT, I enjoy rowing, swimming and playing underwater hockey.  I also 
love world cinema, as well as travelling in Europe.


I am working through the orientation modules as well as embarking on the 
building process; due to having a day job and also looking to build on  Windows 
7 platform, this may take some time.


Kind regards


Jason

Re: Introduction

[Kay Schenk]

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Jason Marshall j_k_marshall_2...@live.com
wrote:

 Hi


 My name is Jason Marshall.  I am writing in order to introduce myself to
 the project in the first instance.  I am aiming to contribute to the
 project from a development point of view, but would be interested in
 helping with testing and documentation.  I am from Newcastle Upon Tyne in
 the United Kingdom and originally trained to degree level in Software
 Engineering in 2001.  I then went on to work for the internal software
 house in British telecom for five years, which included roles such as
 developer, component designer and a little simple solution design.  I
 worked heavily with extract, transform and load aspects of data
 warehousing, coding in PLSQL and Ab Initio.  I would also inherently write
 Unix shell scripts, which I particularly enjoyed.  I subsequently moved to
 some design and made us of the Unified Modelling Language.  I have had some
 experience of ‘hot house' development.  I also have experience with Java
 and C++, as well as the usual skills with HTML.  I enjoy writing and
 working to document complex ideas so that they are accessible to everyone,
 hence my interest in documentation.


 I left IT in 2006 in order to retrain in a social science role and
 currently work in such a role for local government.  However, I am aware
 that currently demand for IT professionals is high and I would like to
 re-enter the profession and so hope to be able to refresh my skills and
 experience, as well as giving something back and serving this project.  I
 have been a long-time user of OpenOffice, having first installed it when I
 was handed a free CD by Sun Microsystems in 1999.  Consequently, I have
 used OpenOffice for many years.


 Away from IT, I enjoy rowing, swimming and playing underwater hockey.  I
 also love world cinema, as well as travelling in Europe.


 I am working through the orientation modules as well as embarking on the
 building process; due to having a day job and also looking to build on
 Windows 7 platform, this may take some time.


 Kind regards


 Jason


Welcome Jason and thank you for this nice introduction. I'm sure ou can
find help with building on Windows 7 from this dev list.

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We can all sleep easy at night knowing that
 somewhere at any given time,
 the Foo Fighters are out there fighting Foo.
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Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Didier Besset]

Hi,

While I have been developping OO applications, one on Base, one on Calc, 
for non-profit organizations, I have received many help from forum people.


In order to give back what I have received, I would like to donate the 
Calc application, an accounting system, to the OO community.


This application is making an extensive use of macros. So far, I wrote 
many comments in the macros, but I should write an overall documentation 
on how to use it (user's guide) and how it is built (architecture).


Before diving into writing, I would like to know if there is any 
interest in such a thing.


Regards,

Didier Besset

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[Alexandro Colorado]

I think there is, however I can see some issues in the proposal. For
example, I would like to understand how this system would be built further.

Would you write a new module to AOO, giving it a new application like Calc
or Base?

Is this some sort of Macro built using Base and Calc or through an
installable extension.

In any case, it would be great if we can get more information about what
your plan is.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Didier Besset did...@ieee.org wrote:

 Hi,

 While I have been developping OO applications, one on Base, one on Calc,
 for non-profit organizations, I have received many help from forum people.

 In order to give back what I have received, I would like to donate the
 Calc application, an accounting system, to the OO community.

 This application is making an extensive use of macros. So far, I wrote
 many comments in the macros, but I should write an overall documentation on
 how to use it (user's guide) and how it is built (architecture).

 Before diving into writing, I would like to know if there is any interest
 in such a thing.

 Regards,

 Didier Besset

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Introduction :)

[Jari van den Berg]

Hello Fellow people of Openoffice,
I am Jari van den Berg I am 18 years old. I live in the Netherlands and I still 
sleep under the same roof as my parents... 
I am still a student on school. I am doing the  
  

Re: Volunteer Introduction

[Kay Schenk]

On 03/05/2015 11:10 AM, Moses Jhai wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am an aspiring AQA software engineer from California. I'm
 interested in volunteering at ASF for experience, exposure and to
 stay active in my field and gain momentum. My experience is with
 Selenium and Java (jUnit, TestNG, Webdriver) along with some mySQL
 (but not much) as well as manual QA. I hope that these are useful
 skills to ASF and I look forward to contributing.
 
 Thank you, Moses 
 

Hello Moses, and thank you for your interest in our QA efforts.

You will find information on OpenOffice QA practices by using our
orientation modules -- http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

There is a module specifically devoted to QA.

Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project.

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 at least  try to do something remarkable?”
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Volunteer Introduction

[Moses Jhai]

Hi, 

I am an aspiring AQA software engineer from California. I'm interested in 
volunteering at ASF for experience, exposure and to stay active in my field and 
gain momentum. My experience is with Selenium and Java (jUnit, TestNG, 
Webdriver) along with some mySQL (but not much) as well as manual QA. I hope 
that these are useful skills to ASF and I look forward to contributing.

Thank you,
Moses
  

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Jaya,

your are welcome.

Is one of the modules your favorite?

Do you already had a look at http://openoffice.apache.org/qa.html and 
the pages mentioned there?


Maybe you just start off to familiarize yourself with our Bugzilla 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/ ?


Kind regards
Regina

Jaya schrieb:

Hi,
   I a jaya from USA. I am a qa tester and interested to contribute my time 
in the project.

Thanks
Jaya

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I am jaya from USA. I am Qa tester and interested in contribute my time in 
the project . 

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Hi,
  I a jaya from USA. I am a qa tester and interested to contribute my time 
in the project.

Thanks 
Jaya

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Krista Watkins - Introduction

[Krista Watkins]

Hello Everyone,

My name is Krista Watkins and I am looking forward to beginning my
volunteer work here with OpenOffice.

Now, for a little background on myself.

I am a second year student at Regis University working on a bachelors
degree in Computer Science.  Most of my work so far has involved using C++
but I also have basic knowledge of Java and SQL.  Unfortunately, though, I
have not had the opportunity as of yet to use my schooling in any real
world setting.

I am hoping that volunteering with this group will allow me to gain some
much needed experience both in coding and also in the other aspects that go
into creating and maintaining programs.  To do this, I am willing to work
with bug reports, coding, clearing tickets, and pretty much where ever else
help is needed.

I am hoping to be able to contribute about 2-3 hours a week at this point,
with a hope to contribute more in the future.

I have begun working on Modules 1 and 2 and I look forward to working with
everyone.

Kind Regards,

Krista Watkins

RE: Krista Watkins - Introduction

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Hello Krista,

Yes, welcome and thank you for introducing yourself.

The combination of C++, Java, and SQL can come in handy as you get deeper into 
Apache OpenOffice.  We do have some Java dependencies and the OpenOffice Base 
application uses JDBC and Java-based database services.  There are some other 
features that bridge to Java implementations, and folks can develop extensions 
using Java.  A lot of this is tied into the UNO model for objects (in C++) that 
you will encounter.

That's nothing to pay attention to now.  It is something may catch your eye as 
you dig deeper into Apache OpenOffice.

Enjoy your studies and the familiarization exercises here.

 - Dennis

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Subject: Re: Krista Watkins - Introduction


On 01/31/2015 08:27 AM, Krista Watkins wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 My name is Krista Watkins and I am looking forward to beginning my
 volunteer work here with OpenOffice.
 
 Now, for a little background on myself.
 
 I am a second year student at Regis University working on a bachelors
 degree in Computer Science.  Most of my work so far has involved using C++
 but I also have basic knowledge of Java and SQL.  Unfortunately, though, I
 have not had the opportunity as of yet to use my schooling in any real
 world setting.
 
[ ... ]

Welcome Krista. We look forward to working with you too.


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 a young pony for a quick ride.
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Re: Krista Watkins - Introduction

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/31/2015 08:27 AM, Krista Watkins wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 My name is Krista Watkins and I am looking forward to beginning my
 volunteer work here with OpenOffice.
 
 Now, for a little background on myself.
 
 I am a second year student at Regis University working on a bachelors
 degree in Computer Science.  Most of my work so far has involved using C++
 but I also have basic knowledge of Java and SQL.  Unfortunately, though, I
 have not had the opportunity as of yet to use my schooling in any real
 world setting.
 
 I am hoping that volunteering with this group will allow me to gain some
 much needed experience both in coding and also in the other aspects that go
 into creating and maintaining programs.  To do this, I am willing to work
 with bug reports, coding, clearing tickets, and pretty much where ever else
 help is needed.
 
 I am hoping to be able to contribute about 2-3 hours a week at this point,
 with a hope to contribute more in the future.
 
 I have begun working on Modules 1 and 2 and I look forward to working with
 everyone.
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 Krista Watkins
 

Welcome Krista. We look forward to working with you too.


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Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Sandra Anakebe]

Hi! I am Sandra Anakebe and i am a Nigerian. I have a passion for writing
and that is why i want to join this program.

Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[HEATHER BLOOMER]

Hello,

I’ve added my name and information to the list of volunteers on the wiki.

Heather Bloomer
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Re: Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Stefan Boroda imnotashr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Just wanted to let you all know that I completed the intro and I'm looking
 forward to digging in and helping out!

 Thank you, all, the wonderful software you've been putting out.

 -Stefan Boroda


We're happy to have you join us, Stefan.


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One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth
 to a dancing star.
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Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Stefan Boroda]

Just wanted to let you all know that I completed the intro and I'm looking
forward to digging in and helping out!

Thank you, all, the wonderful software you've been putting out.

-Stefan Boroda

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module - making labels

[gardiner987]

Hi,
I do not know whether it has been fixed but making jam labels gets into a 
sticky mess.
I get some 3 x 8 label sheets to fill with a label such as a background of 
orange slice and a foreground saying whisky marmalade.

Getting the labels to fit the printer grid is a pain. I have to fiddle with 
font sizes and fudge the label into the right height. Width on the other hand 
is quite good at behaving.

Introduction for wanting to perform QA

[Andrew]

Hi there,
My name is Andrew Chaikin. I'm in San Jose, California. I'm looking to 
eventually perform QA part-time for the open office project. I'm currently 
going through the Orientation modules.
Regards,

Andrew.   

Re: Introduction for wanting to perform QA

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 9/15/2014 2:11 PM, Andrew wrote:
 Hi there, My name is Andrew Chaikin. I'm in San Jose, California. I'm
 looking to eventually perform QA part-time for the open office
 project. I'm currently going through the Orientation modules. 
 Regards,
 
 Andrew.
 

Greetings Andrew and welcome to Apache OpenOffice. As you are interested
in QA, be sure to subscribe to the QA mailing list by sending a blank
message to mailto:qa-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and follow the
directions in the follow-up email you will receive.Then you can
introduce yourself there and get more information on our QA process.

Regards
Keith

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Re: Introduction question about contributing source code?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/08/2014 Hung Mark wrote:

I followed the link here:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Development
The development page were found by google 'OpenOffice contributing'


Thanks, I updated some very obsolete content there and in linked pages 
too. It should now be less confusing for a new volunteer.


As you go and read stuff, should you find anything clearly obsolete feel 
free to edit it yourself or ask here how it should be modified.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Introduction question about contributing source code?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 23/08/2014 Hung Mark wrote:

I tried to submit issues I've found (
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125400 ),
also attached the patch I've made, not knowing if I've did it right. I
think you are busy releasing new version these days.


Indeed, but I see that conversation is now ongoing on your patches 
Bugzilla pages, good.



However it seems that wiki page for contributor is outdated:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Contributing_Patches
( it suggest to use hg to make patch, and domain developer list marked
outdated, URL to  IRT  IIT links are invalid now.


It was absurdly outdated and misleading, you are right. I've updated it 
now. Of course, feel free to edit it (you should have an account) or ask 
if something is unclear.


Had you found it using a search engine or from some navigation path in 
our wiki?


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Introduction question about contributing source code?

[Hung Mark]

Hi Andrea,

I followed the link here:

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Development

The development page were found by google 'OpenOffice contributing'

Sincerely.




2014-08-30 5:17 GMT+08:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org:

 On 23/08/2014 Hung Mark wrote:

 I tried to submit issues I've found (
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125400 ),
 also attached the patch I've made, not knowing if I've did it right. I
 think you are busy releasing new version these days.


 Indeed, but I see that conversation is now ongoing on your patches
 Bugzilla pages, good.


  However it seems that wiki page for contributor is outdated:
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Contributing_Patches
 ( it suggest to use hg to make patch, and domain developer list marked
 outdated, URL to  IRT  IIT links are invalid now.


 It was absurdly outdated and misleading, you are right. I've updated it
 now. Of course, feel free to edit it (you should have an account) or ask if
 something is unclear.

 Had you found it using a search engine or from some navigation path in our
 wiki?

 Regards,
   Andrea.

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Introduction question about contributing source code?

[Hung Mark]

Hello there,

I started to subscribe these list since May.  I began by asking question on
API list, volunteer translation on l10n and doc, than finally, I start to
investigate annoying issues I encountered. I come from Taiwan and am
interested about issues specific to traditional Chinese.

I tried to submit issues I've found (
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125400 ),
also attached the patch I've made, not knowing if I've did it right. I
think you are busy releasing new version these days. Now that I know how to
build and debug now, I may be able to help more.

However it seems that wiki page for contributor is outdated:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Contributing_Patches

( it suggest to use hg to make patch, and domain developer list marked
outdated, URL to  IRT  IIT links are invalid now.

What is the correct procedure to propose a patch for defect ( or
enhancement) ?
Please advice.

Sincerely.

-- 
Mark Hung

Re: Introduction question about contributing source code?

[jan i]

On 23 August 2014 10:22, Hung Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,

 I started to subscribe these list since May.  I began by asking question on
 API list, volunteer translation on l10n and doc, than finally, I start to
 investigate annoying issues I encountered. I come from Taiwan and am
 interested about issues specific to traditional Chinese.

 I tried to submit issues I've found (
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125400 ),
 also attached the patch I've made, not knowing if I've did it right. I
 think you are busy releasing new version these days. Now that I know how to
 build and debug now, I may be able to help more.

The core developers are quite busy. I had a quick look at your patch and it
seems fine, but I am not a specialist in that part of the code so I cannot
apply the patch.



 However it seems that wiki page for contributor is outdated:
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Contributing_Patches


 ( it suggest to use hg to make patch, and domain developer list marked
 outdated, URL to  IRT  IIT links are invalid now.

If you have a wiki account go ahead and update, otherwise ask for a wiki
accoun.


 What is the correct procedure to propose a patch for defect ( or
 enhancement) ?

Either through BZ (as you have done) followed by a mail on this list or by
simply mailing the patch here.

If its a patch for a known BZ issue, of course it should be attached to
that issue.

Lookiing forward to see  more patches from you.
rgds
jan i

 Please advice.

 Sincerely.

 --
 Mark Hung

Re: New Volunteer/Introduction

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 7/23/2014 11:35 PM, Sarah Spiers wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
  
 
 I am a sophomore studying Writing, Literature, and Publishing at Emerson
 College in Boston, Massachusetts, though
 
 I am currently petitioning to create my own major combining Writing and
 Video Game design. 
 
  
 
 Volunteering for OpenOffice is not for a class, but I hope to apply the
 experience I gain to my academic pursuits. I have experience with and am
 interested in writing, marketing/communication, and basic graphic design.
 However, I am more than willing to help with anything else. I am a quick
 learner and will do my best. 
 
  
 
 That being said, since I will be studying abroad in Europe this semester, I
 can only volunteer 5-7 hours a week of my time. However, when I return home
 this December, my availability will increase. I hope to work with all of you
 for a while and become a valuable part of the team.
 
  
 
 Thanks,  
 
 Sarah Spiers
 
  
 
 
Hell-o Sarah and welcome to Apache OpenOffice. Our documentation team is
always looking for people to help with writing and editing our user
documentation. We also have an active marketing team. If you haven't
seen them already you should look at our orientation pages at
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html. They will give you
some background and an introduction to the many ways that you can help.

Again welcome and I look forward to working with you. As a courtesy I
have cc'd you as you are not subscribed to the list. Please reply only
to the mailing list. Also consider subscribing to the list so as not to
miss other replies. To subscribe send a blank e-mail to
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Regards
Keith McKenna



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