On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> As said in the modularity docs PR (but I cannot find it now, because pagure.io
> is down), I am not sure what is the outcome wrt default streams. Default
> streams
> are not allowed now. If this change proposal and the policy is approved,
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:03 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:16 pm, Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
> > The issue isn't that you haven't done your work. It is that it looks
> > like you were set up to fail. The email from Michael comes across that
> > Workstation couldn'
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:22 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> The problem is that the request as discussed reads as "FESCo says use
> it for workstation" vs "FESCo has no problem with Workstation saying
> they want btrfs" or "FESCo says use btrfs as default". Yes it says
> "desktop variants" bu
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:00 AM Matthew Miller
wrote:
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>
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BtrfsByDefault
>
> Wow! Is it 2010 already? Time flies! :)
>
> In seriousness: thanks for all of the effort put into this change proposal,
> and the impressive list of change owners. I'm following
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:38 AM Petr Pisar wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 06:51:36AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > Yes. Putting the "stream identification" into the package name is the
> > most natural solution, and has been floated various times.
>
> This already happens. But
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:53 AM Ben Rosser wrote:
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> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:34 AM Sérgio Basto wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2020-06-22 at 11:29 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM Stephen Gallagher <
> > > sgall...@redhat.com&
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:08 AM Martin Jackson wrote:
> I use flatpaks on Fedora (Discord and okular), and I've really enjoyed
> the experience with them. I'm not sure how well that would translate to
> the server environment though, but that general approach seems to do a
> good job of preserv
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:34 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> The issues I've seen so far affect both Fedora and RHEL, but have gotten a bit
> better in Fedora. For example, a major concern that has been much worse in
> Fedora than RHEL, for obvious reasons:
>
> One month you can do a fresh install
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:51 PM Ben Rosser wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 12:50 PM Fabio Valentini wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:30 PM Ben Rosser wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:38 PM Jared K. Smith
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:41 PM Ben R
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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:57 AM Petr Pisar wrote:
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> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 06:30:04AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 6:15 AM Petr Pisar wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:42:15PM +0200, Antonio Trande wrote:
> > > > Shortly (Martin is in Cc to confirm):
> > > >
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:47 AM Jared K. Smith
wrote:
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> I'm going to disagree with you here, specifically with regards to the "I
> don't care" piece. From my time in FESCo, and as the FPL before that -- I
> can never remember a time when someone abstained because they didn't care. I
> reme
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:11 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:17:08 PM MST Josh Boyer wrote:
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM John M. Harris Jr
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, May 11, 2020 11:27:06 AM MST Ben Cotton wrote:
> > >
> > > > 3. How should we ha
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:56 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
> I have several reasons against ELN, which I have already stated for past
> versions of your proposal (Should I really have repeated those at every
> single revised version that you came up with to bypass the repeated
> rejection?):
> * Having a
During today's FESCo meeting, we encountered an unusual voting
situation for the first time: Four FESCo members voted in favor (+1)
of a measure and five FESCo members opted to abstain (0) for various
reasons. However, the FESCo voting policy currently reads: "A majority
of the committee (that is,
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:03 PM Tom Hughes wrote:
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> On 08/05/2020 21:18, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:26 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >>
> >> On 01. 05. 20 22:21, Ben Cotton wrote:
> >>> * Proposal owners:
> >>> The pac
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:26 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 01. 05. 20 22:21, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > * Proposal owners:
> > The packages are already built for Fedora 33 in a non-default module
> > stream. On June 14th, 2020, the nodejs-14.x packages will become the
> > default in Fedora 33 (either by
On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:03 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 01. 05. 20 22:21, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > == Detailed Description ==
> > Fedora 33 will ship with the latest LTS version of Node.js by default.
> > This will either be the `nodejs:14` module stream or else replicated
> > to the non-modular re
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:47 AM Daniel Mach wrote:
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> I'm wondering if this is your personal initiative or if you're sync with
> ELN people. I emailed them in January about the very same idea (and I
> used the very same name; we both seem to like Gentoo), we exchanged
> couple emails, but never
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:52 AM Richard Shaw wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:28 AM Artur Iwicki wrote:
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>> Regarding x86_64 and AVX2, last year we had a very heated discussion about
>> this on the mailing list.
>>
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:53 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I've just published a fourth version[1] of the ELN proposal. With a
> lot of input from Miro Hrončok, I think I've finally been able to
> clarify some of the points that w
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:49 PM James Cassell
wrote:
> eln9.100.0 makes the relation to RHEL cycle obvious without looking like a
> RHEL tag. Is dot allowed here? Do we need eln9_100_1?
The dots would be permissible here.
That said, can you describe what value you see in having the RHEL
cycle re
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > This definitely solves the issue I've been thinking of. I'm not sure I
> > > understand why we want to disconnect the ELN version from the upcoming
> > > RHEL version, even in the DistTag? It seems to be a weird hoop to
> > > separate when we
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 1:56 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> This definitely solves the issue I've been thinking of. I'm not sure I
> understand why we want to disconnect the ELN version from the upcoming
> RHEL version, even in the DistTag? It seems to be a weird hoop to
> separate when we all know this is
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:46 AM Vít Ondruch wrote:
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> > * Added a section explaining how we will deal with side-tags
>
>
> Thank you for addressing this.
>
> However, could you please elaborate what will be the actual trigger to
> do rebuild of some package in ELN? It can't be `git push` if you
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 6:09 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:56 PM Stephen Gallagher
> wrote:
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> > I've just published a fourth version[1] of the ELN proposal. With a
> &g
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I've just published a fourth version[1] of the ELN proposal. With a
lot of input from Miro Hrončok, I think I've finally been able to
clarify some of the points that we were getting hung up on.
Changes in this version of the proposal[2]:
* Improve
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:43 AM Charalampos Stratakis
wrote:
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Michael Catanzaro"
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> >
> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:37:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change Proposal: ELN Buildroot
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:32 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> >> For the stated reasons I am *-1 for this change in its current form*.
> >
> > That is your privilege as a member of FESCo. As I've said, however, I
> > think you've misunderstood the situation.
>
> Do you want to leave it at "this is your
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 10:32:31PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote:
> > Would it be possible to formalize the kind of spec processing ELN wants
> > available in a set of generic operations with generic arguments (or
> > control variab
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:02 PM Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Dne 02. 04. 20 v 20:07 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a):
> > but I *did*
> > acknowledge that we are going to incorporate the possibility of
> > maintaining separate specs for ELN and Rawhide for any maintainer who
>
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:50 PM Steve Grubb wrote:
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> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:55:10 PM EDT Adam Jackson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-04-02 at 13:24 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've been doing some testing of F32 and was curious about something. I
> > > have a kickstart f
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:56 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> The change proposal received overly negative feedback by the packager
> community
> as represented both by RHEL¹ and non-RHEL maintainers. Despite being reworked
> several times, none of this feedback was reflected in the proposal, only new
>
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 4:34 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 03:55:19PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:24 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> I disagree, both to "aren't design documents"
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 4:08 PM Sergio Durigan Junior
wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, April 01 2020, Dan Čermák wrote:
>
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > welcome to the pack!
> >
> > Kevin Buettner writes:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My name is Kevin Buettner.
> >>
> >> I've been involved in GDB development for over 20
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:58 PM Lukas Czerner wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 11:26:04AM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 4/1/20 4:27 AM, Lukas Czerner wrote:
> > > I've noticed some failures in automated tests in bodhi, specifically
> > > this one:
> > >
> > > {
> > > "arch" : "x86
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:24 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 11:40:49AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:46 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 12:30:13PM +
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:02 AM David Cantrell wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 10:19:08AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >So although this update clarifies some part, we have not moved anywhere:
> >
> >
> >~~~
> >
> >=== Can we do this in a branch instead of in master? ===
> >
> >This adds no valu
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:46 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 12:30:13PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 01. 04. 20 10:53, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > >On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:31:38AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:11 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
>
> On 3/31/20 3:34 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:10 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
> >>
> >> It's that time of year again... as our RPM change proposals passed with
> >> fl
I sent out the V2 version of the Change on Friday and then promptly
managed to injure myself and be away from email until today. I've read
through the email threads again this morning and I decided that,
rather than try to address them one by one, I'd try again with a V3
that hopefully answers some
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:12 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 31. 03. 20 12:03, Lukas Zapletal wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I have a subpackage which is not needed anymore in the new version of the
> > package. Is my assumption correct that for a smooth upgrade path I should
> > simply delete the subpac
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:10 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
>
> It's that time of year again... as our RPM change proposals passed with
> flying colors in yesterdays meeting, I'll hope to land RPM 4.16 alpha in
> rawhide later today or tomorrow by latest.
>
Since Panu left it out of his announcement,
andra Fedorova]]
* Email: al...@bookwar.info
* Name: [[User:Sgallagh | Stephen Gallagher]]
* Email: sgall...@redhat.com
[1] List of changes between the original and new versions:
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:00 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
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> Le mercredi 25 mars 2020 à 17:33 +0100, Aleksandra Fedorova a écrit :
>
> > My point was to highlight that ELN is not a "stable edition" like
> > Fedora Server. ELN is Rawhide, its quality is no better than Rawhide
> > quality, i
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:32 PM David Tardon wrote:
...
> And yes, it means that people are going to be _bothered_, and
> > _pressured_ on figuring out the best way to collaborate. But isn't it
> > our job?
>
> No, that's not what your proposal implies. Instead, people are going to
> be bothered
Starting a new sub-thread.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:33 AM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
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> As Ben is on PTO, I'd like to present the System-Wide Change
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ELN_Buildroot_and_Compose
>
> == Summary ==
>
> The goal of the ELN project is to continuously build Fe
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:29 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >> Will there be a way to opt-out packages (or stacks of them) from ELN if
> >> they are
> >> not interesting for RHEL?
> >
> > We want to start with a subset of packages at the beginning (basic
> > buildroot packages, system-level packages an
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 1:52 PM Alexander Ploumistos
wrote:
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> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 6:14 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >
> > Rollback or disable explicitly.
>
> I had been busy testing a bunch of other packages from koji and
> rollback is going to break a lot of things at this point.
> Could you ple
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 12:11 PM Charalampos Stratakis
wrote:
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Stephen Gallagher"
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> >
> > Cc: "Mat Booth" ,
> > protobuf-
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:51 AM Igor Gnatenko
wrote:
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> Thanks for CCing me (maintainer of protobuf here), I am particularly
> not happy that some module (which is not even called protobuf, but
> some random Java #$%! with ripped out python support overrides my
> builds).
>
> I have put a proposa
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:24 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
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> Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
> > As Petr Pisar noted earlier, default streams are designed to deliver the
> > same user experience as ursine packages, therefore there is no *direct*
> > advantage or disadvantage of them over ursine packages, for F
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:49 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 14. 11. 19 22:30, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok
> wrote:
> >
> >> Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it seriously
> >> overcomp
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it seriously
> overcomplicated. The idea that going modular will somehow help with current
> problems in modularity is exactly what happened to eclipse.
No, what happened to Eclipse i
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 14. 11. 19 19:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >>
> >> On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote:
> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wik
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:00 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
> On 14. 11. 19 21:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >>
> >> On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >>> Now, python3:3.7 vs. python
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
> On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > Now, python3:3.7 vs. python3:3.8 might be a more interesting question...
>
> The way Python is designed, 3.7 and 3.8 is parallel installable by default.
>
> The only
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:17 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 06. 11. 19 8:29, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > M2.
> >
> > For traditional packages, it was consistent and easy to find package
> > dependencies in Fedora. For a proven packager, Fedora Packaging Committee
> > member
> > or generally for anybod
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:45:22 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > You're assuming that parallel-install is a thing that everyone needs
> > from every package on their system.
>
> I'm not. Ho
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
> On 14. 11. 19 19:11, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 01:00:52PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:4
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 11:39 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> I thing the canonical source of this data is:
>
> https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-module-defaults/tree/master
>
> If I understand the format correctly, the yamls that have the stream key have
> default.
For the record, you are correct. This
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15:15 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you're asking here. I thought it was pretty clear
> > from the paragraph you quoted that containers are the recomm
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot
> >
> > Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for modular
> > and non-modular RPMs.
> >
> > == Summary ==
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 11:52 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
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> > Similarly, from the perspective of dependent maintainers, there will
> > no longer be anxiety about needing to move their package to a module
> > if one or more of their dependencies drops their non-modular version
> > in favor of a default
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:24 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> > Yes, we acknowledge that with multiple versions comes the risks of
> > introducing more conflicts. We balanced that out by acknowledging that
> > the container space is now mature enough that separating userspaces
> > when you need to r
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Vít Ondruch wrote:
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> I wonder who is doing to clean up all the mess in dist-git we have due
> to modularity. specifically, I wonder about all these branches:
>
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/modules/nodejs/branches?branchname=master
>
> https://src.fedoraproject.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 6:09 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 13. 11. 19 23:27, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > So I guess the proposal is underspecified. What I really propose, and how I
> > read Miro's proposal as well (Miro, please correct me if that is not what
> > you intend), is that 1. any package tha
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:29 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
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> Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> > 1) there are exactly 6 default streams in Fedora rawhide
> >
> > dwm
> > avocado
> > scala
> > ant
> > gimp
> > maven
> >
> > and eclipse is being discussed.
>
> What about libgit2, was that not a default stream
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:46 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 13. 11. 19 22:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
...
> So the buildroot enabled modular repository contains only the 2 approved
> modules
> including their modular metadata...
>
> >> "an enabled or default modu
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:01 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:49 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:34 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > >
> > > Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > > > Here you seem to
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 13. 11. 19 18:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > Sorry for the long overdue reply here. Answers to your questions are inline.
>
> Thank you.
>
> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:46 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:34 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > Here you seem to be missing the third option packager may choose -
> > maintain none of them and say bye to Fedora. Which IMHO is the most likely
> > outcome of all this.
>
> "Say bye to Fedora" is what I am goi
Sorry for the long overdue reply here. Answers to your questions are inline.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:46 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> What I miss in the description is:
>
> 1. How does this thing actually work? is there an additional repository
> composed
> from the default streams available in
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 4:17 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <
domi...@greysector.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 12 November 2019 at 22:07, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 4:03 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> > wrote:
> >
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 4:03 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, 12 November 2019 at 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> [...]
> > I agree with Aleksandra here. And we *did* establish that our policy
> > going forward is that we will forbid an
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:29 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:20 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:10 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:03 AM Aleksandra Fedorova
> > > wrote
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:32 PM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov
> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 7:55 PM Aleksandra Fedorova
> > wrote:
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> >> Hi, Aleksandar,
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> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:40 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:40 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov
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> The way Eclipse is treated makes me really sad and kind of regret the time
> spent on Fedora over the years! Being forced to be a module but blocked to be
> default stream by FESCo arguing over whether it wants modularity (sorry, this
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:40 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
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> On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 12:26, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> > Again I fail to see the _technical_ difference between the ursine rpm
> > package and a package which was built as a part of default stream. It
> > is the same rpm spec fr
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:31 PM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 5:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> > On 12. 11. 19 17:02, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> > > Again, no one forces you or any other packager to use modularity
> > > tooling right now.
> > >
> > > As Fedora develop
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:10 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:03 AM Aleksandra Fedorova
> wrote:
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> > Again, no one forces you or any other packager to use modularity
> > tooling right now.
> >
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> This is not true. Once content is modularized, things that were able
> to d
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:26 AM Igor Gnatenko
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> The question arises, what people are supposed to do when they modularized
> content because modularity is (was?) good tool to have "buildroot-only
> packages," "separate lifecycle from Fedora" and "no difference from normal
> packages."
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 1:15 PM Robbie Harwood wrote:
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> Robbie Harwood writes:
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> > Stephen Gallagher writes:
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> >> My intention was to provide some scope to the problem, because it
> >> seemed that a lot of alternatives being floated were not se
On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 3:54 PM Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Christopher Engelhard wrote:
> > Personally, I like a solution along the lines of what e.g. Kevin Kofler
> > suggested earlier, that is
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> > 1) every package has a default version
> > 2) any default version can only depend on default version
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 6:37 PM Randy Barlow
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> On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 14:14 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Well, exactly. This is what I meant with my short "who is going to do
> > that work?" comment. Gentoo's solution is not a drop-in thing for
> > Fedora and would require changes to RPM
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:57 PM Randy Barlow
> > We (Stephen Gallagher and I) discussed me writing a blog post to
> > revisit
> > these past questions when Zbigniew raised the question the other
> > day.
> > However, I haven't written it yet.
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> +1
>
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 3:17 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> My intention was to provide some scope to the problem, because it
> seemed that a lot of alternatives being floated were not seeing some
> of the more subtle cases that we were trying to address. However, the
> biggest pro
Last week, I put out a blog post and fedora-devel thread describing
the problems that we wanted to solve with Modularity. That thread was
not ultimately as successful as I had hoped.
My intention was to provide some scope to the problem, because it
seemed that a lot of alternatives being floated w
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:17 PM Tom Callaway wrote:
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> I could use a quick review for a new R package: R-Rhtslib
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> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1767062
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> Can do a review or other packaging/legal/license favors in trade.
I'll swap you for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cg
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:11 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
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> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:11:13PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 14:38, Neal Gompa wrote:
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> > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Thank you for this very useful summary.
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> One general problem with the thinking behind this is that it applies much more
> to CentOS or RHEL than it does to Fedora. In particular:
> > users want a solid, stable, relia
One of the recurring themes in the ongoing Modularity threads has been that
we've made references to the problems we're trying to solve, but we haven't
done a good job of gathering those requirements and use-cases into a single
place. To resolve this, I've written a (fairly long) blog post describi
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:45 AM Lukas Ruzicka wrote:
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> Are you proposing to _do_ those things, or proposing that someone else
>> oughta?
>>
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> This is an unfair statement!
>
> I thought Fedora is a community of people. In the community, we have
> programmers, visionaries, idealists, testers,
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:56 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
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> IMHO:
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> Igor Gnatenko wrote:
> > * Do we want to support "buildroot-only" packages?
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> No, because this contradicts both the transparency expected from a
> community-developed project and the self-hosting expectations.
>
I think there's s
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM Daniel Walsh wrote:
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> On 10/23/19 10:05 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:40 AM Daniel Walsh wrote:
> >> How do I go about removing packages from Fedora Distro. I want to drop
> >> oci-systemd-hook and
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