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Morgan Collett wrote:
Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump
to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views...
I _strongly_
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
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Morgan Collett wrote:
Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can
Tks all, I will try the four finger salute!
I might try 8.2.1, but I don't really have time for now, maybe soon.
Either way, the real problem hasn't been identified, is that right? Since
the solution seems to be running some kind of script, either forced or
automatically.
Best regards,
2009/2/2 Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com:
Tks all, I will try the four finger salute!
I might try 8.2.1, but I don't really have time for now, maybe soon.
Either way, the real problem hasn't been identified, is that right? Since
the solution seems to be running some kind of script, either
On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:43, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
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Morgan Collett wrote:
Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can
jump
to the appropriate snowflake
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote:
IEEE chose to make wi-fi networks look like 802.11 LANs, similar to
ethernet. It might have been a bad idea in retrospect, but now we
have to live with it.
AFAIK, the bulk of the problem with multicasts over 802.11s
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote:
Morgan Collett wrote:
Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump
to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood
C. Scott Ananian wrote:
This is irrelevant, really. Protocols are designed with certain
assumptions. Those assumptions (mostly having to do with the behavior
and cost of broadcasts) were true when the protocols were designed,
and are no longer true today. This is the way of all software,
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote:
C. Scott Ananian wrote:
This is irrelevant, really. Protocols are designed with certain
assumptions. Those assumptions (mostly having to do with the behavior
and cost of broadcasts) were true when the protocols were
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com
wrote:
AMD sees no Geode chip replacement in sight
AMD on Monday said it has
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com wrote:
Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org writes:
[...] It's also worth pointing out that the new low-power x86
processors, Atom being the poster child, are still stuck with
power-hungry support chips - memory and display
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 14:18, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote:
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x
I don't want adventure. I want something old and safe ;-)
Maybe we can fake this with good old DNS lookups - but those will fail
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/).
There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we just need to use
existing standard solutions.
Yep - I want existing
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x
I don't want adventure. I want something old and
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x
I don't want adventure. I want something old
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote:
Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered
every point in the message cited below, a long time ago. So why aren't
we doing them? ...* *On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Carlos Nazareno
Hi all,
We at OLE Nepal are pretty soon gonna have to finalize the build for
our deployment, and since 8.2.1 seems to have a number of nice fixes,
so we're gonna base it on that one. It doesn't seem however that we're
able to wait for the 8.2.1 final release. So in this light I have a
couple of
First, I want to praise whoever put together the Sugar packages for
Fedora 10. After struggling with Xubuntu and with sugar-jhbuild on
openSUSE I finally have a sugar test environment where everything seems
to work! It was well worth wiping out my openSUSE install and starting
over with a
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 02:09:31AM -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
To me, two kids under a tree is a very important scenario.
Although mesh fails on current Joyrides, I'm experimenting with
manual intervention (e.g., ifconfig) to get it going anyway.
Said manual intervention could be added as
Morgan Collett wrote:
Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every
time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump
to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views...
as well as sending who joined and left...
Mature GUIs have a
2009/2/2 Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote:
Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered
every point in the message cited below, a long time ago. So why aren't
we doing them? ...* *On Wed, Jan 28,
There might be something in the Sugar Almanac, see
http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources for a link.
Alternately, an example of how to disable sharing is here:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/math/repos/mainline/blobs/master/mathactivity.py#line75
Note to Sugar toolkit guys, I'd love
C. Scott Ananian wrote:
When I read the Zeroconf book, I got the impression that the
_standard_ was carefully designed to minimize needless broadcasts and
scale well in real scenarios. I can't comment on the current Avahi
_implementation_ though.
This is true for wired networks; not
I'm guessing someone has already suggested this on some list or other, but
in my experience kids like to watch over each other's shoulder, and a
default collaboration of everyone watches, one person types vnc would in
my opinion be the 80 of a collaboration 80-20 rule. I think this ought to
be
2009/2/2 Ties Stuij cjst...@gmail.com:
mostly the first two I'd like answers to:
- which major bugs relevant to Nepal, if any, that are not yet
addressed by the staging builds are likely to be fixed by 8.2.1 in
general. And if any: are they expected to be fixed in the next couple
of days?
Summary: I updated
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts
and several other pages, but mysteries remain.
p...@laptop.org usefully responded:
I have zero clue where to find the keymapping
file or configuration utility.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@laptop.org wrote:
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/).
There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we
I think this project often makes the perfect into the enemy of the good.
Consequently we end up having less collaboration than, e.g., any system in
the last 10 years that could install vnc server, while claiming that
collaboration is a principal focus of the project.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:34
I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file
would be logical here. Make it an integer indicating the maximum
number of supported participants. Unshared activities would report
'1', activities like video chat (with technical limitations) or chess
(with obvious player
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/2 Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote:
Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered
every point in the message cited
On Monday 02 February 2009 21:30:46 Carol Farlow Lerche wrote:
I'm guessing someone has already suggested this on some list or other, but
in my experience kids like to watch over each other's shoulder, and a
default collaboration of everyone watches, one person types vnc would in
my opinion be
s wrote:
Summary: I updated
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts
and several other pages, but mysteries remain.
p...@laptop.org usefully responded:
I have zero clue where to find the keymapping
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/).
There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we just need to use
I think some simplistic automatic collaboration being built into Sugar, has
been discussed, possibly even prototyped.
Just a matter of engineering motivation/time perhaps.
-Wade
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote:
I'm guessing someone has already suggested
Since you're looking at making a gentoo-based sugar distro, you might
find http://gitorious.org/projects/sugar-gentoo useful :)
On 2/3/09, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/2 Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com
It seems that the implementations for volume and brightness keys are handled
separately from the remainder of the keyboard in most laptops. I have
recently been installing Linux in various older laptops, some with gnome,
some with xfce, and have found the laptop special keys scripts in
/etc/acpi.
at the OS level the brightness and volume keys are just the standard
F9-F12 keys
if you look at the 'keyboard shortcuts' page on the wiki they are even
documented that way (or at least I think they were at one point)
it's Sugar that decides to monkey with the brightness and volume when
Thanks, much appreciated :)
Best regards
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan
nirbheek.chau...@gmail.com wrote:
Since you're looking at making a gentoo-based sugar distro, you might
find http://gitorious.org/projects/sugar-gentoo useful :)
On 2/3/09, Tiago Marques
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Eben Eliason wrote:
I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file
would be logical here. Make it an integer indicating the maximum
number of supported participants.
OK, but as an Activity author I might like to specify
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
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I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
In my mind, this would work perfectly with the above scheme, whereby
any activity that already has max_participants in it could be viewed
in
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
OK, but as an Activity author I might like to specify that cap at runtime,
depending on many things, such as the size of the document.
... start collaborating on an empty Write.xo doc, and shed
participants
On 3 Feb 2009, at 01:02, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
In my mind, this would work perfectly with the above scheme,
whereby
any activity
2009/2/2 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com:
take better advantage of the excellent hardware that is the XO-1. I'd
really like to see someone try to build a tiny LFS based XO specific distro
which runs Sugar, and boots in 30sec :) I've got my personal XO booting in
around 45sec just by hacking
Gary, I've used it for many years on machines much less powerful than the
XO, often for an sshable net meeting with multiple participants, and I think
you might need to do a few simple things to speed it up for yourself.
(Remove fancy graphic backdrop, try for a smaller palette). These things
are
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
802.11s is not simple, nor safe.
lol. That's right.
Now, you are talking about DNS-SD without mDNS. Spent some good time
reading up on both, and DNS-SD sounds good for what we're trying to
do. Everybody uses them
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote:
Scott (CC'd) has already come up with some really nice proposals for
adding VNC as an alternate colaboration mechanism for all activities.
In my mind, this would work perfectly with the above scheme, whereby
any activity that
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:
Happy to be proven wrong, and I guess it could be a Sugar feature not really
intended for XOs.
Let's let the flowers bloom: I don't doubt that there are many ways to
make *better* collaboration, on an activity-by-activity
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