Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Happy to be proven wrong, and I guess it could be a Sugar feature not really > intended for XOs. Let's let the flowers bloom: I don't doubt that there are many ways to make *better* collaboration, on an activity-by-activity basis. But VNC is

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > Scott (CC'd) has already come up with some really nice proposals for > adding VNC as an alternate colaboration mechanism for all activities. > In my mind, this would work perfectly with the above scheme, whereby > any activity that already has

Re: Service announcement scheme - (Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.)

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > 802.11s is not simple, nor safe. lol. That's right. Now, you are talking about DNS-SD without mDNS. Spent some good time reading up on both, and DNS-SD sounds good for what we're trying to do. Everybody uses them together, however, and a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

Gary, I've used it for many years on machines much less powerful than the XO, often for an sshable net meeting with multiple participants, and I think you might need to do a few simple things to speed it up for yourself. (Remove fancy graphic backdrop, try for a smaller palette). These things are

Re: OLPC upgrades

2009/2/2 Wade Brainerd : > take better advantage of the excellent hardware that is the XO-1. I'd > really like to see someone try to build a tiny LFS based XO specific distro > which runs Sugar, and boots in <30sec :) I've got my personal XO booting in > around 45sec just by hacking around in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

On 3 Feb 2009, at 01:02, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eben Eliason wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz >> wrote: > In my mind, this would work perfectly with the above scheme, > whereby > any activity th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > OK, but as an Activity author I might like to specify that cap at runtime, > depending on many things, such as the size of the document. ... start collaborating on an empty Write.xo doc, and shed participants dynamically as the documen

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz > wrote: In my mind, this would work perfectly with the above scheme, whereby any activity that already has max_participants in it could be viewed in that manner

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eben Eliason wrote: >> I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file >> would be logical here. Make it an integer indicating the maximum >> number of supported

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: > I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file > would be logical here. Make it an integer indicating the maximum > number of supported participants. OK, but as an Activity author I might like to specify t

Re: OLPC upgrades

Thanks, much appreciated :) Best regards On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan < nirbheek.chau...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since you're looking at making a gentoo-based sugar distro, you might > find http://gitorious.org/projects/sugar-gentoo useful :) > > On 2/3/09, Tiago Marques wrote:

Re: keyboard handling (was Re: OLPC where to go development advice.)

at the OS level the brightness and volume keys are just the standard F9-F12 keys if you look at the 'keyboard shortcuts' page on the wiki they are even documented that way (or at least I think they were at one point) it's Sugar that decides to monkey with the brightness and volume when those

Re: keyboard handling (was Re: OLPC where to go development advice.)

It seems that the implementations for volume and brightness keys are handled separately from the remainder of the keyboard in most laptops. I have recently been installing Linux in various older laptops, some with gnome, some with xfce, and have found the laptop "special keys" scripts in /etc/acpi

Re: OLPC upgrades

Since you're looking at making a gentoo-based sugar distro, you might find http://gitorious.org/projects/sugar-gentoo useful :) On 2/3/09, Tiago Marques wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > >> 2009/2/2 Tiago Marques >> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradl

Re: keyboard handling (was Re: OLPC where to go development advice.)

s wrote: > Summary: I updated > > > and several other pages, but mysteries remain. > > p...@laptop.org usefully responded: > > >> I have zero clue where to find the keyma

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

On Monday 02 February 2009 21:30:46 Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: > I'm guessing someone has already suggested this on some list or other, but > in my experience kids like to watch over each other's shoulder, and a > default collaboration of "everyone watches, one person types" vnc would in > my opini

Re: OLPC upgrades

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > 2009/2/2 Tiago Marques > >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradley wrote: >> >>> Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered >>> every point in the message cited below, a long time ago. So why aren't >>> w

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file would be logical here. Make it an integer indicating the maximum number of supported participants. "Unshared" activities would report '1', activities like video chat (with technical limitations) or chess (with obvious player li

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

I think this project often makes the perfect into the enemy of the good. Consequently we end up having less collaboration than, e.g., any system in the last 10 years that could install vnc server, while claiming that collaboration is a principal focus of the project. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

keyboard handling (was Re: OLPC where to go development advice.)

Summary: I updated and several other pages, but mysteries remain. p...@laptop.org usefully responded: >> I have zero clue where to find the keymapping >> file or configuration u

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

I think some simplistic automatic collaboration being built into Sugar, has been discussed, possibly even prototyped. Just a matter of engineering motivation/time perhaps. -Wade On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: > I'm guessing someone has already suggested this on some l

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

I'm guessing someone has already suggested this on some list or other, but in my experience kids like to watch over each other's shoulder, and a default collaboration of "everyone watches, one person types" vnc would in my opinion be the 80 of a collaboration 80-20 rule. I think this ought to be i

Re: Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

There might be something in the Sugar Almanac, see http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources for a link. Alternately, an example of how to disable sharing is here: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/math/repos/mainline/blobs/master/mathactivity.py#line75 Note to Sugar toolkit guys, I'd love

Re: OLPC upgrades

2009/2/2 Tiago Marques > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > >> Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered >> every point in the message cited below, a long time ago. So why aren't >> we doing them? ...* *On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Carlos Naza

Is it possible to disable "sharing" for an Activity?

First, I want to praise whoever put together the Sugar packages for Fedora 10. After struggling with Xubuntu and with sugar-jhbuild on openSUSE I finally have a sugar test environment where everything seems to work! It was well worth wiping out my openSUSE install and starting over with a new

Re: OLPC upgrades

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered > every point in the message cited below, a long time ago. So why aren't > we doing them? ...* *On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Carlos Nazareno > wrote: Nobody's saying

Re: Service announcement scheme - (Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.)

> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x I don't want adventure. I want something old and safe ;-) Maybe

Re: Service announcement scheme - (Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >>> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x >>> >>> I don't want adventure. I want something old and safe ;-) >>> >>> Maybe we can fak

Re: Service announcement scheme - (Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.)

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x >> >> I don't want adventure. I want something old and safe ;-) >> >> Maybe we can fake this with good old DNS lookups - but those will fail >> if th

Re: OLPC upgrades

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Mitch Bradley writes: > > > [...] It's also worth pointing out that the new low-power x86 > > processors, Atom being the poster child, are still stuck with > > power-hungry support chips - memory and display controllers. That > > might

Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes (Carlos Nazareno)

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Carlos Nazareno > wrote: > > > >> > AMD sees no Geode chip replacement in sight > >> > AMD on Monday said it has no replacement for the aging Geode

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> This is irrelevant, really. Protocols are designed with certain >> assumptions. Those assumptions (mostly having to do with the behavior >> and cost of broadcasts) were true when the protocols were designed, >>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

C. Scott Ananian wrote: > This is irrelevant, really. Protocols are designed with certain > assumptions. Those assumptions (mostly having to do with the behavior > and cost of broadcasts) were true when the protocols were designed, > and are no longer true today. This is the way of all software,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Morgan Collett wrote: >> Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every >> time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump >> to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views... >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > IEEE chose to make wi-fi networks look like 802.11 LANs, similar to > ethernet. It might have been a bad idea in retrospect, but now we > have to live with it. > > AFAIK, the bulk of the problem with multicasts over 802.11s (and not > all

Re: [Sugar-devel] Aside: Neighborhood participants

On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:43, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Morgan Collett wrote: >> Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every >> time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can >> jump >> to the appropriat

Re: Touchpad problem

2009/2/2 Tiago Marques : > Tks all, I will try the four finger salute! > > I might try 8.2.1, but I don't really have time for now, maybe soon. > > Either way, the real problem hasn't been identified, is that right? Since > the solution seems to be running some kind of script, either forced or > au

Re: Touchpad problem

Tks all, I will try the four finger salute! I might try 8.2.1, but I don't really have time for now, maybe soon. Either way, the real problem hasn't been identified, is that right? Since the solution seems to be running some kind of script, either forced or automatically. Best regards,

Re: Aside: Neighborhood participants

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz < bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Morgan Collett wrote: > > Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every > > time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your i

Aside: Neighborhood participants

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morgan Collett wrote: > Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every > time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump > to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views... I _strongly_ ob

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

Morgan Collett wrote: > Also don't blame avahi for the fact that we send out updates every > time you alt-tab between shared activities, so that your icon can jump > to the appropriate snowflake on everyone else's Neighborhood Views... > as well as sending who joined and left... Mature GUIs have a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> When I read the Zeroconf book, I got the impression that the >> _standard_ was carefully designed to minimize needless broadcasts and >> scale well in real scenarios. I can't comment on the current Avahi >> _implementation_ though. > > This is true for wired networks; n

Re: some 8.2.1 questions

2009/2/2 Ties Stuij : > mostly the first two I'd like answers to: > - which major bugs relevant to Nepal, if any, that are not yet > addressed by the staging builds are likely to be fixed by 8.2.1 in > general. And if any: are they expected to be fixed in the next couple > of days? http://dev.lapt

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 14:18, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> Martin Langhoff wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/). There's no need for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Martin Langhoff wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >>> My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/). >>> There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we just need to use >>> existi

Re: Service announcement scheme - (Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/). >> There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we just need to use >> existing standard solutions. > > Yep

some 8.2.1 questions

Hi all, We at OLE Nepal are pretty soon gonna have to finalize the build for our deployment, and since 8.2.1 seems to have a number of nice fixes, so we're gonna base it on that one. It doesn't seem however that we're able to wait for the 8.2.1 final release. So in this light I have a couple of que

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> My suggestions: DNS-SD and libepc (http://live.gnome.org/libepc/). >> There's no need for Sugar-specific solutions here; we just need to use >> existing standard solutions. > > Yep - I want existing standard stuf

Re: looked for, but did not find, "control knobs" for mesh

On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 02:09:31AM -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > To me, "two kids under a tree" is a very important scenario. > Although mesh fails on current Joyrides, I'm experimenting with > manual intervention (e.g., ifconfig) to get it going anyway. Said manual intervention could be added