Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Congratulations on your ability to Google information that has always been public. I have little interest in talking to people who make false accusations of impropriety. When you grow up you'll understand. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 6:01 AM wrote: > Hi, > I respect your wishes, however misguided,

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Dear Ian Clarke, You wrote: > I'm not going to subject the other board members to the kind of > infantile harassment I've been experiencing over the past two days, > including anonymous cowards spamming the Locutus Matrix channel and > then spamming individual members of the channel. Was that

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 2:44 PM Marek Küthe wrote: > I have assumed that Freenet acts according to these principles and that > there are not just a few (or even one) people who make decisions about > Freenet. > If you assumed that Freenet had a terrible decision-making process that would lead

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I think we just have different ideas about that. I don't see Freenet as a product that you want or have to market. As far as FLOSS projects and the like are concerned, I probably also have a different concept for decision-making. I have assumed that Freenet acts according to these principles and

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On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 2:22 PM Marek Küthe wrote: > Well, I think here one should decide between a company / organization > with profit intentions and a community / FLOSS project and an > non-profit association. > I disagree. The same principle applies to any common endeavor by a group of

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Well, I think here one should decide between a company / organization with profit intentions and a community / FLOSS project and an non-profit association. A company or organization can of course do this "dictatorially". A FLOSS project is based on the developers, which in the best case are

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Organizations that put every decision to a vote stagnate and die, which is why no successful organization of any kind works that way. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 2:06 PM Marek Küthe wrote: > Nice to see that the email arrived at the Mailling list :-) > > I personally have never run a business.

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Nice to see that the email arrived at the Mailling list :-) I personally have never run a business. However, I know this procedure from the community network dn42, for example. To get larger resources there, you have to ask the Mailling list for permission, for example. Codeberg.org for example

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

> > Only if the majority of the community agrees, this change should be > implemented Have you ever actually run a company, organization, or significant project? It really doesn't sound like it. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 1:59 PM Marek Küthe wrote: > Hello, > > I am a Freenet user and also

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Hello, I am a Freenet user and also wanted to speak up. Since I have no position within Freenet, you can simply ignore the email.. Everything I say here is my personal opinion. I do not want to personally insult, abuse or otherwise verbally hurt anyone. If anyone feels personally attacked, I am

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:40 PM wrote: > I think I have the right to know how the money is being used, especially > since some of it was my donation. I have no idea who you are or what you've donated, but nothing gives you the right to ineptly try to bully me or anyone else with impertinent

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I thought I was pretty clear who I am, would my legal name change how you have responded? I think I have the right to know how the money is being used, especially since some of it was my donation. I would like to know the plan you want to impose on the software I run on my servers as a

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Who are you, and what on earth makes you think you have the right to demand any information from me? I really can't believe you people, the narcissism is off-the-charts. Are you all children? Seriously. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:02 PM wrote: > Ian, > > I have read over the last responses and

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian, I have read over the last responses and there seems to be some items that I would like clarification on, as well as some comments I would like to add as a community member, node volunteer, and supporter of the Freenet "fred" project. DuckDuckGo donated $25,000 several years ago, that

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Russell, I'm not going to subject the other board members to the kind of infantile harassment I've been experiencing over the past two days, including anonymous cowards spamming the Locutus Matrix channel and then spamming individual members of the channel. Was that you? The non-profit will

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Dear Ian Clarke, I would kindly ask you for some clarifications here. (1) Florent Daigniere, a long standing contributor, said: > Bringing in "the board" in an argument of authority is an asshat > move: As you know, none of its members have had any active > involvement with the project nor its

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On gio, 2023-01-19 at 15:18 -0600, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:17 AM Juiceman wrote: > > > > Speaking of steal:  > > > > > > > > https://trademarks.justia.com/874/39/freenet-87439977.html > > > > > > Given that our use of the name predates their trademark by 18 years and > > >

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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:17 AM Juiceman wrote: > Speaking of steal: >>> >> https://trademarks.justia.com/874/39/freenet-87439977.html >>> >> >> Given that our use of the name predates their trademark by 18 years and >> has been in active use that entire time, I don't think this trademark is a

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 1:54 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:11 AM Juiceman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 12:08 PM David Dernoncourt >> wrote: >> >>> As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few >>> PRs, the main issues I have with this are 1) "what

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 5:57 PM David Dernoncourt wrote: > >> Maybe that's how you intended it originally, but with the possible > exceptions of the devs who work on the depot named "fred" and maybe some > users who are really experts and die-hard on wording accuracy, what most > users call

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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, at 00:13, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 4:47 PM David Dernoncourt > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, at 19:32, Ian Clarke wrote: >> > That's not what's happening. The name always belonged to the *mission*, >> > not to any particular piece of software. This is

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

[resending, last one was sent from an old email address accidentally - I need to leave and rejoin this ML]. Firstly, you have no idea how most users of Fred feel about this change, so I hope you're not implying that they all agree with you. There is a lot of "argumentum ad populum" going on in

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 4:47 PM David Dernoncourt wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, at 19:32, Ian Clarke wrote: > > That's not what's happening. The name always belonged to the *mission*, > > not to any particular piece of software. This is why we were careful > > not to tie it to any particular

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, at 19:32, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:08 AM David Dernoncourt > wrote: >> As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, >> the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) >> wow that's confusing. >>

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 2:12 PM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > > The name - which I came up with - never belonged to one codebase, it > > belonged to the mission. This was the case from the beginning, which > > is precisely why our mission statement didn't mention any specific > >

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Michael Grube wrote: > You are a random, anonymous person with some unqualified sense of > importance I am unimportant. Where did I talk about myself? I'm talking about the people who run this project who Ian is ignoring. Anonymously precisely because who I am is irrelevant. > I'm not sure

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Ian Clarke wrote: > Freenet304987 wrote: > > But you absolutely do **not** have to steal the name of an existing > > software for that. > > The name - which I came up with - never belonged to one codebase, it > belonged to the mission. This was the case from the beginning, which > is precisely

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You are a random, anonymous person with some unqualified sense of importance using personal attacks to accomplish I'm not sure actually, what are you trying to accomplish? This conversation isn't really helpful anymore and should have ended about 20 emails ago. Veiled insults and being living

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > > You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant Freenet > > Community? > > I care about the maintainers and users of Fred, and I've said I > do If you care so much about the maintainers, then why are you ignoring the fact that they are **all** here, right now,

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Ian Clarke wrote: > > The core of it is the opinion of **EVERYONE** in this room, > > Nobody wants your forced theft of the project's name, > > not even a minority! > > What "room"? This mailing list. Almost everyone who is important on the team is currently here. They're all telling you "no".

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:11 AM Juiceman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 12:08 PM David Dernoncourt > wrote: > >> As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, >> the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) >> wow that's confusing. >> >>

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It's interesting how the word "I" is used persistently by Mr. Clarke, even though it was a (supposedly) group decision made by the board. If this decision was indeed made by a group of people, after debating and evaluating the pros, cons and consequences of same, I would've expected the word

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:08 AM David Dernoncourt wrote: > As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, > the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) > wow that's confusing. > > Sure, 1) is just (mostly) a rhetorical question. But it

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke writes: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:40 AM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide > wrote: > > Ian Clarke writes: > > What "room"? I've already said, the constituency I care about is the next > generation. You don't speak for them. > > You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:40 AM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Ian Clarke writes: > > What "room"? I've already said, the constituency I care about is the > next generation. You don't speak for them. > > You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant Freenet Community? > I care

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Ian Clarke writes: > What "room"? I've already said, the constituency I care about is the next > generation. You don't speak for them. You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant Freenet Community? Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein, ohne es zu merken.

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:05 AM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > > You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. > > That's another grave misunderstanding: > This is not "my" opinion. > Yes it is. > The core of it is the opinion of **EVERYONE** in this room, > Nobody wants

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:55 AM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > That's fine. > But you absolutely do **not** have to steal the name of an existing > software for that. > The name - which I came up with - never belonged to one codebase, it belonged to the mission. This was the case

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 12:08 PM David Dernoncourt wrote: > As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, > the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) > wow that's confusing. > > Sure, 1) is just (mostly) a rhetorical question. But it

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) wow that's confusing. Sure, 1) is just (mostly) a rhetorical question. But it seems quite an unusual thing to "steal" the name of a software (even

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. That's another grave misunderstanding: This is not "my" opinion. The core of it is the opinion of **EVERYONE** in this room, Nobody wants your forced theft of the project's name, not even a minority! And the rest of what I

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Ian Clarke wrote: > The constituency I'm concerned with are the children growing up > today facing a world where technology is a force of oppression > and control, not a force for good. Business as usual hasn't > addressed this and won't address it, that's why I'm doing > something about it.

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Ian Clarke writes: > I know exactly who he is, I was asking who he was speaking on behalf > of since he was claiming to speak on behalf of the "Freenet > community", quite a bold claim. He did not claim that. It’s just how it seemed to you. Yet despite not claiming it, Steve actually has the

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Florent Daigniere < florent-free...@daigniere.com> wrote: > I'll help answer that one: He is a long-standing volunteer who is one of > the current Release Managers; He has also been helping me with system > administration for the project and still has access to

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You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:33 AM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian, > > for over 10 years, I have been a member of the Freenet community, too. > > You have some grave misunderstandings which I would like to clear up. > > They concern: > - what you

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Hi Ian, I'll help answer that one: He is a long-standing volunteer who is one of the current Release Managers; He has also been helping me with system administration for the project and still has access to most systems to this day. The fact that you are not aware of it just goes to show how

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Ian, for over 10 years, I have been a member of the Freenet community, too. You have some grave misunderstandings which I would like to clear up. They concern: - what you think you're entitled to do vs. what you actually are. - what you think your personal qualities are vs. the actual ones. -

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 4:53 AM Marco A. Calamari wrote: Hi Marco, I hope you are well. But in fact, I too do not understand the total silence on this subject on > all Freenet lists, including announce, before you mail. > As I said, I have been discussing this with Arne for 18 months to ensure

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:49 PM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Ian Clarke writes: > > Apologies to mutt users, but Freenet's mainstream brand recognition has > been on an uninterrupted > > downward trajectory since 2004: > > > > freenet-trend.png > > You are showing the US-trend. Let’s

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Hi Ian, how are you? Being a lurker of Freenet in the last 10 years, after my initial involvement,  I have no moral right to discuss the subject. But in fact, I too do not understand the total silence on this subject on all Freenet lists, including announce, before you mail. IMHO it will be

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!!! ??? Envoyé depuis ProtonMail mobile \ Message d'origine Le 17 janv. 2023, 22:54, Ian Clarke < i...@freenetproject.org> a écrit : > > > > Steve, > > > > > You're speaking as if you speak on behalf of the Freenet community. Who > specifically are you speaking for and what

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Ian Clarke writes: > Apologies to mutt users, but Freenet's mainstream brand recognition has been > on an uninterrupted > downward trajectory since 2004: > > freenet-trend.png You are showing the US-trend. Let’s look at the trend in a country where there was PR done: This is the trend in

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Dear Freenet Contributors and Enthusiasts, I want to clear up some of the confusion. Ian Clarke writes: > I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to inform you of an important > change that the Freenet Project board voted on unanimously on Friday. > After much discussion over the past

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 5:24 PM wrote: Thank you for your mostly reasonable response :) On January 17, 2023 11:01:39 PM UTC, Ian Clarke > wrote: > >I greatly appreciate the work you and the other maintainers have put into > >Fred, which is why I took the time to listen to your concerns over

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On January 17, 2023 11:01:39 PM UTC, Ian Clarke wrote: >I greatly appreciate the work you and the other maintainers have put into >Fred, which is why I took the time to listen to your concerns over the past >18 months. Is the a public place to review these, or FMS posts I have missed? > >The

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Arne, I greatly appreciate the work you and the other maintainers have put into Fred, which is why I took the time to listen to your concerns over the past 18 months. The bottom line is that after hearing you out, I simply don't agree with you. In particular, I do not believe that the proposed

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Ian Clarke writes: You're speaking as if you speak on behalf of the Freenet community. Who specifically are you speaking for and what gives you the ability to speak for them? I share the sentiment. Steve spoke to me before sending this message, and he also

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Board discussions are confidential, this is common practice for non-profits so that board members can speak freely. I'm happy to answer any questions you have about this decision. The grant from FUTO last year was hardly a secret, the video about it

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Hi, As a non-contributor of code, but running nodes, and donating occasionally. How can I view the discussion that the board had? All I can find public tax documents that they received over $100,000 this year in donations. There is no board meeting minutes or mailing list (or paper trail) An

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke writes: > You're speaking as if you speak on behalf of the Freenet community. Who > specifically are you speaking for and what gives you the ability to speak for > them? I share the sentiment. Steve spoke to me before sending this message, and he also speaks for me, the release

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Steve, You're speaking as if you speak on behalf of the Freenet community. Who specifically are you speaking for and what gives you the ability to speak for them? Ian. On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:46 PM Steve Dougherty wrote: > Hi Ian, > > I'm surprised. I'm not sure what to say, or what

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Hi Ian, I'm surprised. I'm not sure what to say, or what reaction you and the rest of the board expected. This is another demonstration of a complete disconnect between the board of FPI, and the community around Freenet. After giving up initial plans to name Locutus "Freenet 2" in the face of