On Saturday, 21 October 2017 at 09:51:41 UTC, Mark wrote:
On Saturday, 21 October 2017 at 01:45:40 UTC, codephantom wrote:
The real challenge (and ultimate goal) for any open-source
project (especially a volunteer based one), is finding
equilibria.
Honestly, I do not believe that an
On Saturday, 21 October 2017 at 09:51:41 UTC, Mark wrote:
Honestly, I do not believe that an open-source project, beyond
a certain scale, can sustain itself without a consistent income
stream.
It is possible, but you need a very modular architecture. The
main problem for large open source
On Saturday, 21 October 2017 at 01:45:40 UTC, codephantom wrote:
The real challenge (and ultimate goal) for any open-source
project (especially a volunteer based one), is finding
equilibria.
Honestly, I do not believe that an open-source project, beyond a
certain scale, can sustain itself
On Friday, 20 October 2017 at 16:13:06 UTC, Mark wrote:
I don't think this sort of complaints are particular to D. I
see similar rants in Scala's google group from time to time,
These 'predictable patterns' (the emergence of similar attitudes,
for example) can also be expressed and understood
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 21:18:43 UTC, Rion wrote:
D has a bad track record with implementations of proposals,
even when the actual code has been written. There has always
been a standard: Walter writes it, its going to get accepted
with a high ratio in one form or another. Somebody who
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 21:18:43 UTC, Rion wrote:
But this is my last response on this. Moving on to a different
language because from my point of view, D will not be very open
/ marketing focused to non C++ developers. And some people seem
very willing to push people there buttons
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 21:18:43 UTC, Rion wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 18:10:04 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Told by whom?
The responses here seem to be a good indicator that he is
wasting his time. The past responses in similar topics.
Even Andrei or Walter can be convinced
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 18:10:04 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Told by whom?
The responses here seem to be a good indicator that he is wasting
his time. The past responses in similar topics.
Even Andrei or Walter can be convinced over time, if one is
persistent enough. :-D There have
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 05:13:01PM +, Ecstatic Coder via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[...]
> If something is wrong on your local D installation (library bug etc)
> and you fix it, you benefit from it, so the work is useful even if the
> change is refused on the public codebase, so no problem with
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 16:43:51 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:43:11AM +, jmh530 via
Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
In some sense, though, you can pick your battles. The longer
you've been reading the forums, the better you may have a
sense of it. When I first
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:43:11AM +, jmh530 via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[...]
> In some sense, though, you can pick your battles. The longer you've
> been reading the forums, the better you may have a sense of it. When I
> first started reading them, I was gung-ho and excited about some
>
I remember those events very differently, so here they are
for posterity:
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/llreleiqxjllthmlg...@forum.dlang.org?page=1
http://forum.dlang.org/post/cxunwfnhdrlpujjxz...@forum.dlang.org
That's exactly what I said.
Thanks for confirming what I have written.
This
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 09:10:04 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
For instance, here I say that I don't agree that the "easy" way
to use D is by using FreeBSD instead of Windows.
Here is the answer :
"I remember those events very differently, so here they are for
posterity:
That post
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:17:04 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 07:04:14 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 06:32:10 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
[...]
OK actually my initial proposal was this one :
and ...remember... "Don’t Let The Perfect Be The Enemy Of The
Good"
True saying. I should apply it more often...
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 09:20:11 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
Here is the list of D tools that I've open sourced so that PHP,
JS and Go web developers may at least have a first experiment
with D :
https://github.com/senselogic?tab=repositories
I hope that making them aware of the
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:36:55 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
I agree. I had this mindset once, but now I'm completely
demotivated, and you now know because of what and who.
You seem passionate. There are never enough people working on
things. There's a lot of ways you can help
But in any case, you really need to check both your attitude,
and expectations.
Good luck. And I do hope you choose to become a 'contributor'
at some point.
Here is the list of D tools that I've open sourced so that PHP,
JS and Go web developers may at least have a first experiment
with D
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:36:55 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
I agree. I had this mindset once, but now I'm completely
demotivated, and you now know because of what and who.
Well it happend to me too... I turned to Windows after my first
experiences with linux and freebsd in the
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:46:58 UTC, codephantom wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:17:04 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 07:04:14 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner
And please stop the personal attacks, thanks.
That's because of this kind of "harrassment" that
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:46:58 UTC, codephantom wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:17:04 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 07:04:14 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner
And please stop the personal attacks, thanks.
That's because of this kind of "harrassment" that
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:46:58 UTC, codephantom wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:17:04 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 07:04:14 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner
And please stop the personal attacks, thanks.
That's because of this kind of "harrassment" that
Btw maybe the simplest way to achieve what I suggest would be to
ask Basil to allow the CoEdit windows installer to optionally
download and install the D compiler.
This way you download only one setup.exe, and you are ready to
go...
Just put a big obvious download link button towards this
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:17:04 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 07:04:14 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner
And please stop the personal attacks, thanks.
That's because of this kind of "harrassment" that potential
volunteers like me are demotivated and prefer to let kind
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 08:22:17 UTC, codephantom wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 06:32:10 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
And the definitive answer about that is of course something
like "Hey man, it's open source, it's all made by volunteers
on their free time, so it must be
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 06:32:10 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
And the definitive answer about that is of course something
like "Hey man, it's open source, it's all made by volunteers on
their free time, so it must be complicated, what did you expect
?" and "Make all the changes by
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 07:04:14 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner
wrote:
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 06:32:10 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
[...]
OK actually my initial proposal was this one :
http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.6425.1503876081.31550.digitalmars-d-b...@puremagic.com
[...]
And
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 06:32:10 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
[...]
OK actually my initial proposal was this one :
http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.6425.1503876081.31550.digitalmars-d-b...@puremagic.com
[...]
And the definitive answer about that is of course something
like "Hey
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 01:32:14 UTC, codephantom wrote:
On Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at 18:02:24 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
But make the installation and learning curve as smooth as
possible for less-skilled developers, by allowing them to
download an all-in-one bundled installer
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 02:08:13 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
I can easily think of a dozen extensions to D, that need to be
part of the standard library or extended library of D, like
DCompute, mir-algorithm, ...
Yes, well we sponsor mir-algorithm, and would like to sponsor
dcompute
On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 01:32:14 UTC, codephantom wrote:
The open-source community is mostly driven by
'volunteers'...who work on what they want to work on, when they
have some spare time to work on it. I think too many people do
not understand this, and so come in with bloated
On Thursday, October 19, 2017 02:08:13 Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> There's an old joke about hiring.
I haven't heard that one before, but I've heard essentially the same joke
except that it was Bill Gates who died, and it turns out that the version of
Hell that he visited on the
On Monday, 16 October 2017 at 08:56:21 UTC, Rion wrote:
When you invest this time into a language, you have
expectations. A person expects for a language this old, that
every puzzle fits together without issue.
I can't say that your process for forming expectations is wrong,
but it's
On Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at 18:02:24 UTC, Ecstatic Coder
wrote:
But make the installation and learning curve as smooth as
possible for less-skilled developers, by allowing them to
download an all-in-one bundled installer
(compiler+ide+tutorials+examples), and they will be much more
to
On Monday, 16 October 2017 at 08:56:21 UTC, Rion wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 at 20:27:35 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
D is much less gratifying than other languages for most people.
Just like Windows was more gratifying than Linux for most
people in 2000. And I suppose that's likely to
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 06:58:10 UTC, Peter R wrote:
If I, as a new user, don't have a solid first impression, I'd
have no expectation that the rest of the D ecosystem is
polished, and I would return to C++
But the D 'ecosystem' is *not* polished. It's an evolving work in
progress,
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 13:14:39 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
I don't know what the expectations of a Windows user are.
In my exprience 80% of mainly Windows devs (in professional
environment) use Visual Studio + plugins (e.g. Visual
Assist/Dpack etc.). Most of the remaining 20%
On Monday, 16 October 2017 at 09:01:20 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
And yet my elderly-ish mother uses Linux Mint and she hates
technology.
It isn't as clear cut as it may appear, these issues.
Off-topic but the issue with Linux is not when you have it stable
running ( assuming everything
On Monday, 16 October 2017 at 09:01:20 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
And yet my elderly-ish mother uses Linux Mint and she hates
technology.
It isn't as clear cut as it may appear, these issues.
Linux mint is nice.
On 16/10/2017 9:56 AM, Rion wrote:
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 at 20:27:35 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
D is much less gratifying than other languages for most people.
Just like Windows was more gratifying than Linux for most people in
2000. And I suppose that's likely to change slowly, but
On Sunday, 15 October 2017 at 20:27:35 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
D is much less gratifying than other languages for most people.
Just like Windows was more gratifying than Linux for most
people in 2000. And I suppose that's likely to change slowly,
but continue to be the case for a while so
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 15:29:54 UTC, Rion wrote:
I have probably put in a few hundred hours try to learn D and
get going. And half that time was pure wasted on bugs, editor
issues, frustration, hours looking up something that is so easy
in other languages, ...
Recently i was helping a
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 13:14:39 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On 10/13/17 2:58 AM, Peter R wrote:
Replying to a couple of the comments here
"I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different
mindset or something else."
I'd like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable, but Yes, I
On 2017-10-13 17:29, Rion wrote:
Recently i was helping a developer who was benchmarking D+Vibe.d, on his
OsX he never got parallel support to work ( error fault 11 ) for
Vibe.d, resulting in vibe.d running single core and losing to Crystal
and Rust big time ( single core tests ). I do not
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 13:14:39 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
Thanks for replying. I did not mean my post as a slight against
your knowledge, but really about my ignorance -- I don't know
what the expectations of a Windows user are. I think the
Windows users we do have on the core
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 13:14:39 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for replying. I did not mean my post as a slight against
your knowledge, but really about my ignorance -- I don't know
what the expectations of a Windows user are. I think the
Windows users we do have on the
On 10/13/17 2:58 AM, Peter R wrote:
Replying to a couple of the comments here
"I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different mindset or
something else."
I'd like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable, but Yes, I expect
installing/configuring to be easy and quick, so I can get to the
Replying to a couple of the comments here
"I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different
mindset or something else."
I'd like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable, but Yes, I expect
installing/configuring to be easy and quick, so I can get to the
actual programming. I expect solid
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 00:45:53 UTC, Dennis Cote wrote:
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 07:48:09 UTC, Vadim Lopatin
wrote:
Could you please submit issue on
https://github.com/buggins/dlangide/issues
Done.
https://github.com/buggins/dlangide/issues/349
Thank you!
Could you please
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 06:01:25 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2017 at 00:45:53 UTC, Dennis Cote wrote:
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 07:48:09 UTC, Vadim Lopatin
wrote:
Could you please submit issue on
https://github.com/buggins/dlangide/issues
Done.
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 17:55:18 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
On 10/11/17 1:42 PM, WhatMeWorry wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 07:23:02 UTC, Peter R wrote:
[...]
+10 We need a walkthru of how to set up everything. It's like
a new cook being give all the ingredients but
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 07:48:09 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
Could you please submit issue on
https://github.com/buggins/dlangide/issues
Done.
https://github.com/buggins/dlangide/issues/349
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 08:20:45 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
But overall, I don't think that the Windows situation with D is
really all that much worse than what you get on Linux. It's
just that the folks running Windows have a tendency to care a
ton about stuff like IDEs that the
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 10:29:31 UTC, Rion wrote:
I know but this illustrates the OP his point. Do you see a
warning tell people they can need to use fetch? Its the small
details that can made the experience much more nice but because
everybody here is such D experts, they can not
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 01:26:33 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 22:23:12 UTC, Rion wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 18:29:38 UTC, qznc wrote:
At least on Ubuntu, this gives me an IDE:
dub run dlangide
I have not used it much and I don't know if it works
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 03:50:31 UTC, Dennis Cote wrote:
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 01:26:33 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
You have to fetch it first if you don't already have it:
dub fetch dlangide
dub run dlangide
Of course, you might still have an issue...
I still have an issue on
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 08:20:45 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
I think that he meant that most of the developers for dmd and
the standard library run *nix systems
Ah, you're right. I have misunderstood a bit.
On Thursday, October 12, 2017 08:05:04 Dmitry via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 22:20:01 UTC, Rion wrote:
> > Its probably more the fact that most of the developers use Unix
> > based system for development, be it OSx or Linux. As a result
> > Windows is the overlooked
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 22:20:01 UTC, Rion wrote:
Its probably more the fact that most of the developers use Unix
based system for development, be it OSx or Linux. As a result
Windows is the overlooked system what results in a lack of
testing.
I already posted some statistic:
A
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 05:02:40 UTC, Dennis Cote wrote:
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 03:50:31 UTC, Dennis Cote wrote:
This time it runs but displays a window full of micro sized
text and icons. It is barely readable.
I figured out dlangide assumes a DPI setting of 96 which
On 2017-10-12 07:27, Jesse Phillips wrote:
I don't think this is true at all. I recall people getting frustrated
and blaming it one Linux support being second class to windows.
I think that was true long time ago, but not anymore. DMD started out on
Windows, since that's Walter's main
On 2017-10-11 19:55, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to say as someone who uses mostly non-windows systems, these
problems only seem to crop up for Windows developers.
I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different mindset or
something else.
In my experience it's more
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 17:55:18 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to say as someone who uses mostly non-windows systems,
these problems only seem to crop up for Windows developers.
I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different
mindset or something else.
-Steve
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 03:50:31 UTC, Dennis Cote wrote:
This time it runs but displays a window full of micro sized
text and icons. It is barely readable.
I figured out dlangide assumes a DPI setting of 96 which creates
the tiny text and icons on my Retina display.
Under
On Thursday, 12 October 2017 at 01:26:33 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
You have to fetch it first if you don't already have it:
dub fetch dlangide
dub run dlangide
Of course, you might still have an issue...
I still have an issue on macOS using latest Homebrew version of
dmd and dub.
It seems like
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 22:23:12 UTC, Rion wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 18:29:38 UTC, qznc wrote:
At least on Ubuntu, this gives me an IDE:
dub run dlangide
I have not used it much and I don't know if it works on
Windows, but it might be the easiest way once you
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 18:29:38 UTC, qznc wrote:
At least on Ubuntu, this gives me an IDE:
dub run dlangide
I have not used it much and I don't know if it works on
Windows, but it might be the easiest way once you installed dmd
and dub.
Windows 10:
dub run dlangide
Failed to
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 17:55:18 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to say as someone who uses mostly non-windows systems,
these problems only seem to crop up for Windows developers.
I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different
mindset or something else.
Its
At least on Ubuntu, this gives me an IDE:
dub run dlangide
I have not used it much and I don't know if it works on Windows,
but it might be the easiest way once you installed dmd and dub.
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 17:55:18 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to say as someone who uses mostly non-windows systems,
these problems only seem to crop up for Windows developers.
I don't know if it's a different expectation or a different
mindset or something else.
On 10/11/17 1:42 PM, WhatMeWorry wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 07:23:02 UTC, Peter R wrote:
[...]
+10 We need a walkthru of how to set up everything. It's like a new
cook being give all the ingredients but no recipe instructions.
I have to say as someone who uses mostly
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 07:23:02 UTC, Peter R wrote:
[...]
+10 We need a walkthru of how to set up everything. It's like a
new cook being give all the ingredients but no recipe
instructions.
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 14:25:34 UTC, Dmitry wrote:
It depends on what programs you are doing. There are a huge
number of cases when this way takes lot more time/efforts than
using debugger.
Haha, yeah I know...
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 11:57:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
I just put in writeln statements to try and figure out what's
going on.
It depends on what programs you are doing. There are a huge
number of cases when this way takes lot more time/efforts than
using debugger.
On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 at 07:23:02 UTC, Peter R wrote:
[snip] I've spent weeks trying to get VS Code configured, and
still haven't gotten debugging to work. An idiot-proof step by
step guide would be nice, maybe like this "step 1 install VS
Code from this link, DMD from this link, Dub
On 11/10/2017 8:23 AM, Peter R wrote:
snip
4. it took a while to see that the DMD builds come with x86 windows
libraries, but no x64 windows libraries. That seems strange in this day
and age
We should document this on the download page making it obvious why you
also need VS.
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