Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws
Hi guys, On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 01:57 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Cor Nouws schrieb: Has been considered that this leads to a situation where each year people have to get used to the tasks, the other board members etc. so that maybe it is a bit inefficient? This is fairly normal, and there is usually both change and continuity in things like the GNOME board. Also, old-timers are usually around and willing to help out mentoring / getting people up-to-speed. Well, that is a good question. My personal take was at first for a 2 years mandate. Then some others thought that 6 months would be good. I sliced the apple into two :) I like a year-long term; it seems a good balance. In line with this, I would propose split elections: Appr. 50% of the seats each year. +1 So - I havn't got to looking at this in detail yet; but I strongly recommend a 'fair' voting scheme - such as used by GNOME - ie. STV. This makes it very difficult for a contributor with 51% of the votes to get 100% of the seats [ which 1st past the post assures ]. However - the obvious benefits of STV are really watered down by a smaller electorate due to rounding errors; obviously, if (using STV) you elect one person at a time, you have some of the first-past-the-post problems. Then, there is the admin overhead of elections, and the problems of getting people to vote more regularly. Thus, overall - I would strongly recommend a single, big vote, once per year to elect everyone - and not worry about the continuity issues: they tend to fix themselves. The electorate tends to value such things as experience in the candidate's statements. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Mirek M. skrev: 'm really against a special LibO font. What the open-source community should be doing is ensuring that a select few open-source fonts are available in as many places as possible. Just like documents written with Times/Arial/Courier fonts are readable basically everywhere, documents with Bitstream Vera or Liberation fonts should be readable everywhere, too. +1 I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. The most enjoyable greetings -- .: Claus Agerskov :: c...@agercon.dk :: 27 59 69 96 :. .: Robinievej 129 :: 2620 Albertslund :. .: AgerCon :: www.agercon.dk :. .: Konsulentydelser inden for åbne standarder og fri software :. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists
Hi Friedrich, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2010-11-21 14.37: Well, as You can see I'm in favor of the lyric variant. :o)) I'm against it. We need to make things clear, and put them in normal words. We're not a writer's club. ;) - prosaic variant: All posts to this list are publicly archived and can not be deleted +1 But it's cannot, not can not, I guess. Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] after beta3
lets hope not, as god as LO is it is still not ready for general release. The coding is not yet finished, the interface is still that clunky thing thats been around since the 90's and is a little old and, most importantly, a good marketing strategy is yet to appear. The success of this sort of product isn't in the coding or the interface though they may be attributing factors. Without a good marketing strategy even the best piece of software can go unnoticed and undervalued. An example of this is linux. Linux as a whole doesn't get marketed, individual distro's do, and this, from the public eye, makes linux look like it lacks direction and purpose. Compare that to Windows where the underlining code isn't the best BUT it has a killer marketing team who have made it a well advertised and in the public domain all the time. the better product from the public perspective is a clear win for windows On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Jih-Yao Lin jih...@gmail.com wrote: Will beta3 be the last beta version of LO 3.3 ? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Sean White, I've Seen the Cow Level -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. So my solution to your problem of incompatible extensions is to set up a new mailing list for OO to LO extension porting. the public can send the extension which the people on the mailing list can then port over. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:13 PM, bastik.public.mailingl...@gmx.de wrote: On Nov 21, 2010, at 22:31 , jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/21/2010 09:15 PM, James Wilde wrote: ...and? Is LibO going to upgrade the version number every time OOo does? And only then? Unless there is a compatibility tag for extensions, the way that there is for firefox, LibO is stuck with the version numbering that OOo uses, if it wants to retain compatibility with those extensions. Well, I appreciate that it would mean two sets of numbers for extensions, but I can imagine that, in a not too distant future, OOo and LibO are going to grow apart, possibly sufficiently that an extension for the one will not work with the other. Why not accept that from day 1? //James I'm willing to accept that extensions wont work in future if OO and LO grow apart, but I think this shouldn't be done artificially by changing the version number. It could be bad for OO users that want to use LO, but miss some extensions because they are no longer compatible because the version number of LO differs. Whenever there is a release with a changes for version 4.x.x I accept incompatibilities. not to you James: Most people don't take version numbers serious anymore. Look at Chrome for example. The rapid change of major versions is ridiculous. LO is not build from scratch, so for me it can stick to 3.x.x and move onward. Regards, bastik -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Sean White, I've Seen the Cow Level -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
because the underlining code inst changing overly-much, most of the extensions should be easy to port and in th odd case where an extension is truely broken by LO's remakes then we can rewrite the plugin from scratch. As a side not we will probably need a page on the document foundation site that is for these ported plugins On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:01 PM, bastik.public.mailingl...@gmx.de wrote: That's a good solution, that will have to come in place whenever incompatibles arise. BTW: I depend totally on others when there's something to code or port. Regards, bastik Sean White wrote: One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. So my solution to your problem of incompatible extensions is to set up a new mailing list for OO to LO extension porting. the public can send the extension which the people on the mailing list can then port over. I wrote previously: I'm willing to accept that extensions wont work in future if OO and LO grow apart, but I think this shouldn't be done artificially by changing the version number. It could be bad for OO users that want to use LO, but miss some extensions because they are no longer compatible because the version number of LO differs. Whenever there is a release with a changes for version 4.x.x I accept incompatibilities. not to you James: Most people don't take version numbers serious anymore. Look at Chrome for example. The rapid change of major versions is ridiculous. LO is not build from scratch, so for me it can stick to 3.x.x and move onward. Regards, bastik -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Sean White, I've Seen the Cow Level -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
Hi Charles, *, Charles Marcus schrieb: On 11/19/2010 7:16 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Charles Marcus schrieb: I'd really like to see an email support list dedicated solely to questions in the nature of I know how to do this in Excel/Word/Powerpoint, but how do I do it on Calc/Writer/Impress?... No, not a mailinglist for that. A mailing list is a quite high hurdle to participate the question - answer mechanism.. I'd rather like to see this in a FAQ - perhaps in a dedicated area or tagged with MSO relation. An FAQ is a good idea, and could quickly be built as a result of questions/answers from the mail list - so if this is done, I'd suggest adding a simple way to ask a question from the FAQ if the user cannot find an answer - that question would then be posted to the users list, and once it is answered, the answer could easily be added to the FAQ... I agree, this is the Way to go. A No answer found? Ask a Question button working that way is a very interesting Idea. There is a similar thing in launchpad - even in a different context. Random example: https://launchpad.net/kdocker look at the right Navbar Ask a question. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote: listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my. (Besides that, http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice has a metapackage - you need at least squeeze for it, though) Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi, On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 09:03:35AM -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote: unsuspecting users to the same problem that OOo has been famous for: there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for dpkg -i *.deb? each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with which to install them. When dealing with 52 .deb files it's like trying to do a jigsaw puzzle where all distinguishing marks have been filed off. Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. It would be much easier if there were a single meta-package that would act as the start point. Failing that, at least an ordered list that an http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice FTR. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
Hi Florian Reisinger, *, This mail arrived completely screwed up! I'm sure no one made the effort to read it. Florian Reisinger schrieb: [.. screwed content ..] Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi René, *, René Engelhard schrieb: [.. depency question ..] Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. So you'd recommend everybody just running a desktop machine and not wanting to get a full featured serveradmin to abhore debian? It would be much easier if there were a single meta-package that would act as the start point. Failing that, at least an ordered list that an http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice FTR. I can't see this hint an useful answer to the OP's question regarding his aparent debian knowledge. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi, :-) On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:31, Rene Engelhard rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do work on? Does every Linux user have to be a hard-core geek? And if you own a Windows system, should one study for Microsoft certification before shelling out you money? :-D OK, don't answer that! Please! I was just kidding! :-) Someone helped me solve this same problem for an Ubuntu system. I'll draft a how-to over the next few days, file a bug and suggest it for inclusion in the Linux downloads. HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On 11/22/2010 05:33 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote: listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my. (Besides that, http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice has a metapackage - you need at least squeeze for it, though) Grüße/Regards, René René It isn't so much that I administer a Debian release as that I USE a Debian release and do what I can. What I do is what I have managed to learn to do over time, but without any formal training in UNIX, Linux, administration, coding, or anything else. That causes gaps in my education that I freely admit. I feel no shame for what I have learned OR for what I haven't learned. Not everyone can be as experienced as you, nor can everyone feel as comfortable using CLI as you. It is, however why I feel comfortable asking questions or asking for help even from complete strangers who might think less of me for my asking. However, thank you for your concern. :-D Craig Tyche -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On 11/22/2010 07:28 AM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:31, Rene Engelhard rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do work on? Does every Linux user have to be a hard-core geek? And if you own a Windows system, should one study for Microsoft certification before shelling out you money? :-D OK, don't answer that! Please! I was just kidding! :-) Someone helped me solve this same problem for an Ubuntu system. I'll draft a how-to over the next few days, file a bug and suggest it for inclusion in the Linux downloads. HTH. David Nelson Mr. Nelson, Thank you, on behalf of myself and all the unknown nameless people who will benefit in the future. Craig A. Eddy Tyche -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:28:43PM +0800, David Nelson wrote: Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do work on? Does every Linux user have to be a hard-core geek? And if you own a Windows system, should one study for Microsoft certification before shelling out you money? :-D OK, don't answer that! Please! I was just kidding! :-) I do. Because dpkg -i *.deb is esssentialy setup.exe. Don't tell me anyone using Windows must not know setup.exe to install software? Someone helped me solve this same problem for an Ubuntu system. I'll draft a how-to over the next few days, file a bug and suggest it for inclusion in the Linux downloads. There is no goddamn need for it. (That Ubuntu people in 90% of cases have no clue how they do basic system tasks doesn't make it more needed) Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: If I may throw in my 2c. Welcome! :o)) As a part of the official LibreOffice Drupal website development we will be creating a QA area where there are standard questions and answers, but it will also give people the opportunity to ask their own questions That sounds good. and have them answered quickly by anyone else on the website at the time. that's a to small base of present knowledge. In addition to this we will be setting up support accounts on all of the major social networks. I'm quite shure, it is not a good idea to split forces and know how that way. There should be a common place where technical support should happen. Technical issues should be remembered not only by a presentation platform but also by some kind of common brain. Answers should be generated with common knowledge in their back. To many places get that find the question on your question effect, which I personally dislike much. IMHO the process of subscribing, confirming, asking the question, getting relies then unsubscribing seems a little much for an end user to ask a simple question. That's what at least I never did think of. Who claimed that? [..] Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: René Engelhard schrieb: Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know dpkg. Seriously. [..] You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Please take care for clear communication. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
On Nov 22, 2010, at 16:16 , Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Michael, *, Michael Wheatland schrieb: In addition to this we will be setting up support accounts on all of the major social networks. Will these automatically post the question on the nabble forum and thus on the mailing list? And will the answers come back from the nabble forum and the mailing list, or are these separate support sites? If not yes to both questions, I would agree with Friedrich that there's a danger of being divided and conquered with these support accounts on the social networks. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Michael Wheatland skrev: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Claus Agerskov c...@agercon.dk wrote: I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. -1 Verdana is a proprietary Microsoft font. Sorry, didn't knew that. Then it is also a -1 from me to my own suggestion. The most enjoyable greetings -- .: Claus Agerskov :: c...@agercon.dk :: 27 59 69 96 :. .: Robinievej 129 :: 2620 Albertslund :. .: AgerCon :: www.agercon.dk :. .: Konsulentydelser inden for åbne standarder og fri software :. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. How are you able to tell which message I reply to? And what should I be doing to ensure that the message gets to it's intended target? But thanks for the tip. Yes I was most defininately referring to Rene's comments. I have experienced a similar type of arrogance amongst 2 other open source projects, one of which was resolved quickly and resolutely by it's members actively denouncing such attitudes within the community. Thanks again, Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws
Hello David, Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:03:21 +0800, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz a écrit : Hi, :-) Having been given permission to proofread and revise the initial draft, I presumed it would be OK to do the same for subsequent amendments. I hope I did not overstep myself there; if I did, please say so and I will, of course, desist. However, I came up with a revised text as below (it simply states exactly the same things, but re-worded). thank you a lot for this!!! It seems that there are still some big ambiguities that would need to be resolved: The Chairperson is elected by a special electoral college comprised of the BoD, the AB and and the ESC (however, ESC members who are also members of the BoD can only cast one single vote in this election, regardless of their membership of both bodies). The vote by this special college is not decided by the votes of the individual members taken as a whole; instead, each respective body holds a vote among its members, and returns a nomination of one candidate (a specific list of names, or one name only, will have been submitted by the BoD and the AB). The three bodies therefore arrive at a shortlist of three nominees. If one of the three nominees has a majority within the shortlist (has two votes out of three, or is a unanimous choice), the outcome is deemed to be decisive and the electoral process is concluded. However, if three different people are nominated, then a conciliation process takes place, with the aim of eliminating one nominee and making a choice between two nominees only. The Chairperson's term of office is two (2) years, but he/she can serve as many terms as are seen fitting. 1) (however, ESC members who are also members of the BoD can only cast one single vote in this election, regardless of their membership of both bodies): So which body do they cast their vote in? How and when is that decision taken? The choice could change the outcome of the voting. Right, that sounds clunky so let me clarify: members of the ESC who are also members of the BoD only vote at the BoD and not at the ESC. Is it better? 2) (a specific list of names, or one name only, will have been submitted by the BoD and the AB): How would the list be drawn up? Perhaps you need at least a cross-reference to another clause in the bye-laws that resolves that question? If there's only one name, then there would be no point in voting at all... I can clarify that, but in essence I guess 1)people will nominate themselves to the BoD and 1)that the BoD as well as the AB can nominate someone. 3) However, if three different people are nominated, then a conciliation process takes place, with the aim of eliminating one nominee and making a choice between two nominees only.: That could give rise to a difficult situation... Yes. :-) IMHO, you would need to establish a clear procedure for this, to avoid some tense deadlocks in the future... Well, I think we can submit the Chairman's choice to the popular election then (understand the TDF contributors). Best, Charles. HTH. David Nelson -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?
Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google Docshttp://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-microsoft-office-with-google-docs/ just thoughts -fe http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-microsoft-office-with-google-docs/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?
There are already OOo plugins that integrate OOo with Google Docs. They've been around for years. -- T. J. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Frank Esposito frankespos...@gmail.comwrote: Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google Docs http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-microsoft-office-with-google-docs/ just thoughts -fe -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws
Hello, Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:08:30 +, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com a écrit : Hi there, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 21:03 +0800, David Nelson wrote: It seems that there are still some big ambiguities that would need to be resolved: Well detected :-) The Chairperson is elected by a special electoral college comprised of the BoD, the AB and and the ESC (however, ESC members who are also members of the BoD can only cast one single vote in this election, Oh - wow, what is the ESC doing in that mix. I would prefer that the board simply elect the chairman, who is just a member of the board that has some special meeting management role :-) Hopefully that de-complicates the whole process; then again I havn't read the proposal in full recently. I believe there is a -huge- danger of over-engineering any constitution - particularly when you get engineers near it :-) and ending up with some huge joke like the OO.o governance - where obscure rules seemed to breed in dark corners :-) So, I'm going to rewrite the ESC part; it will at least simplify the chairman story. But having him/her part of the BoD would also nix its role I fear. Best, Charles. HTH, Michael. -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/2010 03:07 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote: Because dpkg -i *.deb is esssentialy setup.exe. That would be true if, and only if there was _one_ deb to install, in which gdeb would by used, not dpkg. Don't tell me anyone using Windows must not know setup.exe to install software? Out in the world of Joe Sixpack, autoexec.run on the CD/DVD/BluRay is the program that installs software. There is no goddamn need for it. By that token, there in no need for _any_ program, on any os, other than emacs. (That Ubuntu people in 90% of cases have no clue how they do basic system tasks doesn't make it more needed) That lack of knowledge makes it imperative that that how to install the files be included. If that includes an explanation of how to use dpkg, so be it. To do otherwise is to alienate the program from those that are dipping in the world of FLOSS. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM6qD/AAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/FvAH/jVvHm75AWpD3C+fvR+r8v9X fqENJXfEwvZI6GnSWoO6HUPkuL2QT+CG1ga1PlPJl2uhZRijstQYw3EmlSGLpWCY pKCrdxz+i9cLXodelJXZApbOD95OYVX+xnffAA6MhPTiKuoudR0K6NhGquUHaAoY XH445+Nvk4CEjdug/0QcLO8Yle69AcbYRSlYCcGfH5vvoyvIBJJZAKLyCPQBMPFS 9VRp8w1iGC2K82x5w1lcVt88+iazILWxQHcKiTjtF8QEs6iBsNqsgEBYy2Dfkitb ylkRv70WdXP31EkZPapwpGXuw82qyICNxnxoTKB0Y1QUk575AKHIJcRlz1R9aSQ= =+Roi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/2010 11:24 AM, Sean White wrote: One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. Have you looked at the percentage of extensions for OOo that are open source? Have you looked at the percentage of popular extensions that are open source? jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM6qLMAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/o9EIAL62QlKx/jwA3dbiBZpifdup YNIMpcy0xkgcQE1X9Pq9wXTyTPsp2aUT5MruQXNM3k83DGzP0Hb16qg3jzM+HALy gz0DjDvO5qwm9FlRWiIUYQYk5WMrfywIUqOoNVs3nx28XxJUKFbs8R0BSYQsGNpa 3TA53ZLM4jShq7hRUQ6HByxfY4F5TPromDd25ijcC4Oo3oHUhz+Lky5S6a3S/syY eI2SMHPBP/YKxGk0Gz4sJc1IPGLfDf30krQNu0r7v5Q1gc9UCeN8WYNr37q3Ngch 8nmAT73OCmsDfxBEHhDqYUU8BKYMXFxuNg68PHtQZGKHG/kET1SyO236ER3MhLQ= =ypi6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is not user friendly! Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly, despite what you want to claim. That graphical tools might make it difficult is no argument. On 22/11/10 15:07, Rene Engelhard wrote: There is no goddamn need for it. (That Ubuntu people in 90% of cases have no clue how they do basic system tasks doesn't make it more needed) This is a rather hostile attitude to show towards end users and an If those end users don't think, yes, you're right. based operating systems in the past. If your position were to be taken to its logical conclusion we should scrap LibreOffice, which afterall is pandering to the masses with its use of GUI and WYSIWYG, in favour of TeX. No, my position taken to the logical conclusion would not be that (as I think there's use cases for GUIs - I didn't say anything against them here but just mentioned that dpkg is basics - we don't need GUIs but that we need a drivers license for computers. Mandatory for everyone who wants to use PCs. The same as if you would not be allowed to drive a car if you don't know where the steering wheel or the gas pedal is, neither would you be allowed to use a gear car when you only know automatic. Learn basics, or live with people telling you that you need to look at basics before you do stuff. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is not user friendly! Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly, despite what you want to claim. That graphical tools might make it difficult is no argument. Beisde that, you agree that .deb is what users should know. How on earth are they then NOT to know how to install them? (And install all of debs one program consists of?) If we follow your thinking, there would be NO dependencies at all allowed and every app needs to include every possible piece of software it needs - be it (security-)buggsy, grossly oudated, unstable or whatever) just to please users. [ Disclaimer: The packages which get out of the installer and are in that .tar.gz DO suck. I don't deny that. I wholeheartly agree with you that THEY are user-unfriendly. dpkg is not. ] Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion
On Nov 22, 2010, at 17:18 , Michael Wheatland wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:10 AM, James Wilde wilde.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Will these automatically post the question on the nabble forum and thus on the mailing list? And will the answers come back from the nabble forum and the mailing list, or are these separate support sites? If not yes to both questions, I would agree with Friedrich that there's a danger of being divided and conquered with these support accounts on the social networks. The Drupal system is able to directly communicate with Twitter, Facebook and some other social networks currently. So the aim is 'yes' we will have this type of integration. To add a little meat to your question: We are looking to improve the system while maintaining legacy support for the old protocols. Nabble is an add-on to the mailing list archive as a graphical overlay of the mailing list system. The current plan is to build a forum as the central platform off which will hang in/out protocols for mailing lists, news servers, XML (RSS or atom), social networks and any other protocol which people throw our way. This way if someone asks a question on facebook, it could be answered by someone on a mailing list and redelivered to facebook as a reply while the accessable archive remains on the Drupal site (forum or other tool set). In this respect Nabble and the mailing list archives will become redundant and the contents of which will be relocated in the Drupal system. Awesome. This sounds good! //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 04:56:40PM +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: So, I think that any user guide that makes it easier for computer illiterates to install a software is always welcome, provided that I will not install LibreOffice until is available in a repository that I can access via Ubuntu Tweak (but there are computer illiterates which are less illiterate than me, and they accept to use the terminal). WTF is Ubuntu Tweak? *looking* omg. Annd that super-duper usable Ubuntu doesn't have a tool equivalent to dpkg -i *.deb? Don't believe so really (or they failed their goal more than I ever thought) (Besides that, it is already in a Debian repository) basic illiterate Linux user. I might even end up installing LibreOffice even if it is not in a repository. True. That doesn't contradict knowing basics of the OS you use, though. I didn't claim people installing LibO need to know every detail of their system. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi René, *, René Engelhard schrieb: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:15:25PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: So you'd recommend everybody just running a desktop machine and not wanting to get a full featured serveradmin to abhore debian? No, I want desktop users to know how to use their system. And if they also administer it they should know basics about dpkg. http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice FTR. I can't see this hint an useful answer to the OP's question regarding his aparent debian knowledge. True, but those are debs he can install if he used squeeze or sid :) From a geeks point of view You are right. But I'm shure that it is not a good idea to make all people out there geeks before using a computer or using office software ;o)). So I heavily hope, that LibreOffice will leave it's past behind and will grow from a developer driven software to a community driven one. :o))) Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/21/2010 09:15 PM, James Wilde wrote: ...and? Is LibO going to upgrade the version number every time OOo does? And only then? Unless there is a compatibility tag for extensions, the way that there is for firefox, LibO is stuck with the version numbering that OOo uses, if it wants to retain compatibility with those extensions. jonathon Wouldn't it be better to rewrite the extensions and post the revised extensions on a LO website? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly, despite what you want to claim. That graphical tools might make it difficult is no argument. It is obvious that the dpkg method described is a more involved proceedure than a meta-package or installation script. Like it or not Rene the icon metaphor is the predominant UI paradigm in modern operating systems. That may one day change, but I cannot see the command line supplanting it. On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote: If those end users don't think, yes, you're right. I was not aware of the aforementioned dpkg method myself, and trust me I'm no fool I'm simply not familiar with all of the ins and outs of the linux command line. Nor do I have the time and/or inclination to do so for such a trivial use-case as software installation. On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote: No, my position taken to the logical conclusion would not be that (as I think there's use cases for GUIs - I didn't say anything against them here but just mentioned that dpkg is basics - we don't need GUIs but that we need a drivers license for computers. Mandatory for everyone who wants to use PCs. The same as if you would not be allowed to drive a car if you don't know where the steering wheel or the gas pedal is, neither would you be allowed to use a gear car when you only know automatic. Learn basics, or live with people telling you that you need to look at basics before you do stuff. This is an absolutely horrendous view to hold! Such patronising views only serve to hold back the FOSS community. Strange as it may seem to you Rene, many are intimedated by the command line. They shouldn't be, but they are, and your above comments will do nothing to assuage such end-users. In fact there more likely to turn back to Windows or MacOSX than adapt to your way of thinking/doing. Some of us like our icon metaphors and prefer our double-click install to your open terminal navigate to directory dpkg -i *.deb. Also, The reason that people are required to qualify for a driving license before driving a car is that behind the wheel of a car a bad driver can easily kill a fellow road-user/cyclist/pedestrian. Now unless the 1980s film 'War Games' was an accurate representation of computing the same cannot be said of a technophobic office worker, in fact if anything they be better off staying well clear of the command line. I'm afraid that your patronizing 'get orf my land you idiot' mentality will serve only to exclude the vast majority of end-users, as it has in the past, and without a significant user base LibreOffice will degenerate into little more than a hobby project and rightly so (if it chooses to alienate the majority of computer users instead of embrace them). -- Cruel leaders are replaced only to have new leaders turn cruel. -- Ernesto 'Che' Guevara -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi, :-) I am ROFL reading this thread. :-D Rene, I'll write that how-to this week, notably for Ubuntu users, and then - if it's OK with you - I'll send you the draft with any questions I have regarding Debian. We could also include instructions about how to *de-install* an already-installed beta 2. Would that be OK with you? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hi, On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:34:13PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: From a geeks point of view You are right. But I'm shure that it is not a good idea to make all people out there geeks before using a computer or using office software ;o)). Ah, so we should let people not care about their PCs, how to use it, keep it safe etc. and thus affecting all, spreading viruses, spam and having botnets active? So I heavily hope, that LibreOffice will leave it's past behind and will grow from a developer driven software to a community driven one. What the hell does that have to do with people using PCs getting their basics straight? Correctly, it doesn't. (Otherwise I agree with you, we can argue about marketing and I agree for some deeper features you need docs, but come on, are you also going to tell people on how to use their mouse?) Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On 22/11/10 17:58, Rene Engelhard wrote: Beisde that, you agree that .deb is what users should know. How on earth are they then NOT to know how to install them? (And install all of debs one program consists of?) I'm but a lowly Ubuntu user Rene, and I usually favour the use of repositories which should nominally include all dependencies. But when no repository is forth coming, as is the case with LibO (x86-64) I am forced to slum it and use .deb files. The usual behavior when double-clicking a .deb file is for the software centre to launch and offer me the oppertunity to install (almost identical to setup.exe and installer in windows) but since LibO consists of multiple dependencies software centre throws a bit of a hissy fit regarding unresolvable dependencies; it seems to me that a meta package and/or a script that installs the whole suite would be preferable to directing the user to open a terminal, navigate to the directory containing the .deb files and type 'dpkg -i *.deb'. But then again, I am but a humble Ubuntu user! On 22/11/10 17:58, Rene Engelhard wrote: If we follow your thinking, there would be NO dependencies at all allowed and every app needs to include every possible piece of software it needs - be it (security-)buggsy, grossly oudated, unstable or whatever) just to please users. [ Disclaimer: The packages which get out of the installer and are in that .tar.gz DO suck. I don't deny that. I wholeheartly agree with you that THEY are user-unfriendly. dpkg is not. ] I have no problem with dpkg at all, and I will likely use it to install LibO whenever I get around to it. But most end users are not as inquisitive as I when presented with what, to the uninitiated, looks like dozens of separate installers and will either try to install each package one by one (and be thwarted by errors) or give up. Now we can either accept that reality and provide a simpler means of installing LibO (a repository, a meta-package, an install script, etc...) or we can edit the ReadMe to reflect the dpkg method for installation (and hope the average end user will look to the ReadMe) or we can do both. I favour the latter myself. -- Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel -- Dr. Samuel Johnson (April 7th, 1775) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: cut On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote: No, my position taken to the logical conclusion would not be that (as I think there's use cases for GUIs - I didn't say anything against them here but just mentioned that dpkg is basics - we don't need GUIs but that we need a drivers license for computers. Mandatory for everyone who wants to use PCs. The same as if you would not be allowed to drive a car if you don't know where the steering wheel or the gas pedal is, neither would you be allowed to use a gear car when you only know automatic. Learn basics, or live with people telling you that you need to look at basics before you do stuff. This is an absolutely horrendous view to hold! Such patronising views only serve to hold back the FOSS community. Strange as it may seem to you Rene, many are intimedated by the command line. They shouldn't be, but they are, and your above comments will do nothing to assuage such end-users. In fact there more likely to turn back to Windows or MacOSX than adapt to your way of thinking/doing. Some of us like our icon metaphors and prefer our double-click install to your open terminal navigate to directory dpkg -i *.deb. Also, The reason that people are required to qualify for a driving license before driving a car is that behind the wheel of a car a bad driver can easily kill a fellow road-user/cyclist/pedestrian. Now unless the 1980s film 'War Games' was an accurate representation of computing the same cannot be said of a technophobic office worker, in fact if anything they be better off staying well clear of the command line. I'm afraid that your patronizing 'get orf my land you idiot' mentality will serve only to exclude the vast majority of end-users, as it has in the past, and without a significant user base LibreOffice will degenerate into little more than a hobby project and rightly so (if it chooses to alienate the majority of computer users instead of embrace them). -- +1, Lee. It would be good if people understood the tools that they use. But they don't. And they won't. And they shouldn't have to in order to use basic communication tools such as LibreOffice. Expecting people to have a license to compute is quixotic. It is simply not going to happen. There is no good reason to make LibreOffice installation any more difficult than other run-of-the-mill applications, whatever platform is involved. Rene, (cordially) Your attitude seems more appropriate to a radical LUGr or a Microsoft plant than to a group that is trying to get some liftoff force for a F/OSS project that has a lot of potential. How is it part of the DocumentFoundation mission to change people's basic software installation habit? There are plenty enough hurdles without trying to force behavior changes artificially. What could you do to help the project succeed? Carl -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 02:55:22AM +0800, David Nelson wrote: I am ROFL reading this thread. :-D You obviously are not thinking about the big picture, otherwise you wouldn't laugh. Rene, I'll write that how-to this week, notably for Ubuntu users, and then - if it's OK with you - I'll send you the draft with any questions I have regarding Debian. We could also include instructions about how to *de-install* an already-installed beta 2. Would that be OK with you? No, because both of those docs are unneeded. Do whatever you want for the distro which should be died - not for this reason, though but others - but disconnect me please from thoose propagdandists. Thanks. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On 2010-11-22 10:07 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: There is no goddamn need for it. And there's no need for profanity either... -- Best regards, Charles Marcus -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Version Numbers?
Le 2010-11-22 07:05, Sean White a écrit : because the underlining code inst changing overly-much, most of the extensions should be easy to port and in th odd case where an extension is truely broken by LO's remakes then we can rewrite the plugin from scratch. As a side not we will probably need a page on the document foundation site that is for these ported plugins On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:01 PM,bastik.public.mailingl...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Sean et al: I have been reading this thread and your idea sounds great! Would you like to add it to the ideas page on the marketing wiki page? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas It will probably get more attentions there too. Cheers Marc Marketing Member Drupal Web. Dev. Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont
Le 2010-11-22 06:30, Michael Wheatland a écrit : On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Claus Agerskovc...@agercon.dk wrote: I would see Verdana as one of the pre-installed fonts aswell. -1 Verdana is a proprietary Microsoft font. Let's focus on open source solutions such as those previously discussed on the Documentation list including Liberation, Bitstream, Droid, FreeSans, FreeSerif, Goudy Bookletter 1911, Flaminia, etc. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Branding-and-Documentation-td1836672.html Thanks for the redirection. The discussion aimed at including ~10-20 quality OPEN source fonts which are commonly used is quite mature. I suggest you have a look at the Documentation mailing list for the info. Personally I would like to see active discouragement of the use of Times New Roman, Georgia, Verdana, Arial, Calibri, Cambia, etc. as they are restricted to Microsoft product use only, resulting in impossible verbatim compatibility. Absolutely agreed. Thanks for the enthusiasm, even if a bit misdirected IMHO. Michael Wheatland Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws
Hi Charles, :-) On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 00:18, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: thank you a lot for this!!! No problem. I've got a watch on the page, and will visit whenever there's a change then. ;-) 1) (however, ESC members who are also members of the BoD can only cast one single vote in this election, regardless of their membership of both bodies): So which body do they cast their vote in? How and when is that decision taken? The choice could change the outcome of the voting. Right, that sounds clunky so let me clarify: members of the ESC who are also members of the BoD only vote at the BoD and not at the ESC. Is it better? I understood what you meant, no problem there. The ambiguity is how the decision is taken about which body they vote on... Especially as throwing their vote in on one body or the other could maybe weight the election in one direction or another, and change the result. My suggestion was that it would be good to lay down unambiguous rules for this... 2) (a specific list of names, or one name only, will have been submitted by the BoD and the AB): How would the list be drawn up? Perhaps you need at least a cross-reference to another clause in the bye-laws that resolves that question? If there's only one name, then there would be no point in voting at all... I can clarify that, but in essence I guess 1)people will nominate themselves to the BoD and 1)that the BoD as well as the AB can nominate someone. OK, I get the idea. Perhaps a separate, short paragraph explaining that might be good? I could draft one tomorrow and submit it in a standalone edit that will be easy to identify and roll back/modify if it doesn't quite say what you want...? 3) However, if three different people are nominated, then a conciliation process takes place, with the aim of eliminating one nominee and making a choice between two nominees only.: That could give rise to a difficult situation... Yes. :-) I guess this is the point that, IMVHO, might be in most need of an unequivocal procedure, as it could give rise to controversial situations... HTH. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?
Le 2010-11-22 14:02, Graham Lauder a écrit : On Tuesday 23 November 2010 06:29:01 Frank Esposito wrote: Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google Docshttp://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-mic rosoft-office-with-google-docs/ just thoughts -fe What it should read is: Google helps MSOffice play catch up a little on OOo. OOo/LibreO/Go-ooo communities ask: What took you so long. I've had this functionality for quite some time. So therefore, the second question is how did you not know this? And the third question: How do we let the world know? Cheers GL Someone could blog on this and then point it out. You could also add a comment to the article. There is still no mention of LibreOffice or OOo on the comments sections. Seing this on a LibreOffice blog would be cool, then we could advertise the blog on something like http://www.LinuxToday.com. They average 1 million hits a day. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell
Hi Ian, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 18:10 +, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? It has been long anticipated, and comes as no surprise. In the short term, nothing changes. In the medium term what the effect is, bad, neutral or good is unclear. Either way - development-wise, LibreOffice is doing really extremely well with non-Novell developers right now; so whatever happens should not affect our viability as a project. I hope that helps, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of individual .deb files. This is not user friendly! Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly, despite what you want to claim. That graphical tools might make it difficult is no argument. ..snip. Whether it's user friendly or not depends on the user. If he/she/it is open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell
On Tuesday 23 November 2010 07:10:31 Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? And my question would be; do any of the 882 patents sold to the Microsoft consortium affect the go-ooo code and therefore expose TDF to patent actions? Cheers GL -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?
Hi everyone, 2010/11/22 T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-11-22 14:02, Graham Lauder a écrit : On Tuesday 23 November 2010 06:29:01 Frank Esposito wrote: Will this ever happen with Libre Office? Google Launches Plugin That Fuses Microsoft Office With Google Docs http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/google-launches-plugin-that-fuses-mic rosoft-office-with-google-docs/ just thoughts -fe What it should read is: Google helps MSOffice play catch up a little on OOo. OOo/LibreO/Go-ooo communities ask: What took you so long. I've had this functionality for quite some time. So therefore, the second question is how did you not know this? And the third question: How do we let the world know? Cheers GL Someone could blog on this and then point it out. You could also add a comment to the article. There is still no mention of LibreOffice or OOo on the comments sections. Seing this on a LibreOffice blog would be cool, then we could advertise the blog on something like http://www.LinuxToday.com http://www.linuxtoday.com/. They average 1 million hits a day. Marc Some of the most popular extensions should be reevaluated as core features as opposed to extensions that ship seperately. If this was a baked in feature, more people might be exposed to it. As I see it, the problem here is that cool, useful extensions aren't being really exposed to most OOo/LibO users. We should definitely expose these extensions more: advertise them on the LibO website, maybe redesign the Extension website and manager to be more friendly and showcase the most popular extensions. There are a lot of really great extensions, way more than we could possibly hope to package with LibreOffice. If people aren't hearing about them, then we need to make these extensions discoverable. (Personally, when I started using OOo, it took me a while to find where I could get the language packs I needed.) P. S. I'm not against including extensions with LibreOffice, but these extensions would definitely need to be removable. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
Hi, I've tried to fix the mail from Florian Resinger: Btw, Florian, which email client do you use? Your email was horrible to read I've had a hard time figuring out, who said what after your mail. Sigrid Am Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:25:11 +0100 schrieb Florian Reisinger reisi...@live.at: Claus Agerskov schrieb: Sean White skrev: As a concerned user, if LibreOffice is meant a independent office project derived from the OpenOffice code then why do we still use their version numbering system. Wouldn't it be better to start from 1 to reinforce in peoples minds that we are a separate project I will suggest another version scheme like the one the Linux distribution Ubuntu uses. The year and month: 9.04, 9.10, 10.4 and 10.10. I know it is very difficult to release at a specific month because there could be a lot of issues that postpone a release date. Maybe it should only be the target to have one major release each year and smaller updates and security releases with minor version numbers: Yearly major release: 11 and 12 Update release: 11.1,11.2 and 12.1 Security releases: 11.0.5, 11.1.5, 11.2.5, 12.0.5 and 12.1.5 (security release 5) I think it would be easier to understand, if it's classic. Betas: 0.9.1 (Beta 1)1.9.3 ( Third Beta for Version Number 2 ) = Mayor Release Mayor Release 1.0 , 2.0 ... Update and Security Release: 1.1 1.5 Kind regards Florian Reisinger Linz Austria -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell
On 22 November 2010 20:41, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi Ian, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 18:10 +, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? It has been long anticipated, and comes as no surprise. In the short term, nothing changes. In the medium term what the effect is, bad, neutral or good is unclear. Either way - development-wise, LibreOffice is doing really extremely well with non-Novell developers right now; so whatever happens should not affect our viability as a project. I hope that helps, Just want to make sure you are still on the project :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*. And that's a problem. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hello Michael, Am Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:30:19 +0930 schrieb Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au: You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. Don't worry, everyone here was once new to this mailing list thing. :) How are you able to tell which message I reply to? And what should I be doing to ensure that the message gets to it's intended target? But thanks for the tip. Every email contains a header like this: In-Reply-To: 201011221623.03013.damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de (this is copied from your mail). :) So if you use a proper email client, the client can sort the emails where they belong and you can see who replied to which comment of another user. If you want to reply to a specific mail (that isn't the last email in the conversation list), then use the other reply button that is on the top right corner of that specific email. You will then see, that gmail quotes the correct mail content and you can comment to the specific paragraphs. Yes I was most defininately referring to Rene's comments. I have experienced a similar type of arrogance amongst 2 other open source projects, one of which was resolved quickly and resolutely by it's members actively denouncing such attitudes within the community. Yes, I agree with you, arrogance doesn't help this project. But I guess, René (btw, he is (was?) the Debian maintainer for OOo, and I guess, he will maintain LibO for Debian too) has seen similar questions too much and many people aren't willing to learn something new. So I can understand, that he lost patience. But this is no excuse, since I've seen this question only once here. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Sigrid Carrera wrote: Yes, I agree with you, arrogance doesn't help this project. But I guess, René (btw, he is (was?) the Debian maintainer for OOo, and I guess, he will maintain LibO for Debian too) has seen similar questions too much and many people aren't willing to learn something new. So I can understand, that he lost patience. But this is no excuse, since I've seen this question only once here. I think that every individual has the right to decide what he want to learn and what he does not want to learn. I do not want to learn to use the Terminal. Full stop. It is my right, and I simply ignore software if I have to use the Terminal. Each one of us is good at something, and bad at something. I am bad at technology, but good at marketing and communications. I have never told to people unable to speak in public that they MUST learn to speak in public (also because the majority is not able to learn the skills which are necessary for that task, either because they are not interested or because - being humans - lack the basic ability). I lack the ability of learning to use technology beyond a certain level of complexity, because I am not interested, exactly as other people are not able to speak in public because they lack the basic ability. What should I tell them: speaking in public is SOOO easy, why are you so DUMB? Unfortunately, reading this thread I have realized that TDF is too much developer oriented, exactly as OOo was too much developer oriented (and missed many objectives because of this bias). As a founding member and a Steering Committee member of TDF, I am not happy at all. Users must be respected, and if a user asks for an easier installation procedure, he is probably right (and the easier procedure has to be provided, sooner or later according to resources). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:30:19AM +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote: You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. How are you able to tell which message I reply to? And what should I be doing to ensure that the message gets to it's intended target? But thanks for the tip. Yes I was most defininately referring to Rene's comments. I have experienced a similar type of arrogance amongst 2 other open source projects, one of which was resolved quickly and resolutely by it's members actively denouncing such attitudes within the community. A little gratuitous advice (not criticism). If you are new to mailing lists be aware that you should develop a thick skin. You're dealing with people and some people have shorter fuses than others. If they come across to you as arrogant you have several options. Ignore them, dig through the perceived arrogance to see what they are trying to convey, or filter their posts. The last runs the risk of missing out on important information. FWIW my attitude toward people learning at least the rudiments of their OS, beyond merely where to point and click, is quite similar to Rene's. Thanks again, Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Google now integrates with MSO, what about Libre/OO?
As I see it, the problem here is that cool, useful extensions aren't being really exposed to most OOo/LibO users. if they are really cool and useful (as this one is that was just pointed out) then they should become standard features of part of an add-on pack. imho... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Carl Symons wrote: Italo, I work on several open source projects. Almost everyone else involved is a developer (I'm more in your camp, although the dpkg -i x86_64 .deb issue is well within my ability). In every case, there is shared emphasis on users. What benefits the users? There's a whole lot to that of course. But in no case is there the attitude that people need to learn some level of the OS before they are considered worthy of the product. Thank you for your work in making the Document Foundation happen. I believe that you are on the right side of this issue. Thanks. I can, of course, try to use the Terminal to install a software, and I have done it in the past when Ubuntu Tweak was not there. I have a netbook with the infamous Poulsbo graphic card, and I have to run a script to make it usable (and I have to use the damned Terminal). But I do not like it, and it makes me nervous as I do not understand what is happening. The fact that I am technically illiterate (and I like being so) does not make me a worse user, or one with less rights. Communities around the world have made OOo a better product because they have cared about users, although the project was clearly driven by developers not able to show any respect for users (and where the community was not there the project has been marginally successful). TDF should not reproduce the same mistakes. The success of the project cannot be built on a group prevailing on others. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions
On 11/22/2010 06:43 AM, Craig A. Eddy wrote: ... René It isn't so much that I administer a Debian release as that I USE a Debian release and do what I can. What I do is what I have managed to learn to do over time, but without any formal training in UNIX, Linux, administration, coding, or anything else. That causes gaps in my education that I freely admit. I feel no shame for what I have learned OR for what I haven't learned. Not everyone can be as experienced as you, nor can everyone feel as comfortable using CLI as you. It is, however why I feel comfortable asking questions or asking for help even from complete strangers who might think less of me for my asking. Not sure which Debian distro that you are using, but if you are using Ubuntu you may find these helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/dpkg.1.html and bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/ https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Note: I _think_ there are similar for standard Debian other Debian based distros. In general; to install LO .deb files on an Ubuntu system (for others that may have the same question): 1. http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ Note the: You can also download using BitTorrent, or browse all the Beta3 installation packages to get unofficial Debian packages (32-bit .debs or 64-bit .debs), or language packs. Click on the appropriate for your system (32-bit or 64-bit) 32-bit: o http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/x86/LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz 64-bit: o http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/x86_64/LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz Or just use the browse all the Beta3 installation packages link to: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/ http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/ (32-bit example) http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/x86/ Download: LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz 15-Nov-2010 16:57 164M Details Important: the 'Details' link will give you md5sum/SHA/hash information that you can use to verify the package download with. 2. Once the appropriate tar.gz file is downloaded; use Nautilus to browse to the file download. Right click the tar.gz file and select 'Extract here'. Nautilus will then automatically extract the contents assign proper file permissions to a new folder: LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US (in the case of 32-bit). Under that folder you will find 3 subfolders: DEBS, licences, and readmes. The 'DEBS' (LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS) folder is the folder that contains all the .deb packages. It also contains a subfolder 'desktop-integration' which contain the .deb package for adding LO to your desktop menus. Note the location of the LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS folder. [1] 3. Open a terminal (Applications|Accessories|terminal) and cd to the location of the LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS folder. Example: $ cd /home/username/LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS Now install the .deb packages: $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb That will install all of the .deb packages in the system /opt folders /opt/libreoffice and /opt/libreoffice3 Now install the menus: $ cd desktop-integration $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb You now should have a working LO installed with menus added to Applications|Office|LibreOffice... If the menus are not automatically you may have to use: $ sudo update-menus or logout/login to get them to appear. Note: when you start LO, your LO profile will be located in: ~/.libreoffice/3/user (/home/username/.libreoffice/3/user) [1] You can do all of this from the terminal rather than using Nautilus. However I recommend using Nautilus to new users so that you will have an graphical idea of were the files are located. To do from the terminal cli only: I. Open the terminal and cd to the location of the .tar.gz file. II. Extract the .tar.gz file (again using the 32-bit file as an example): $ tar xvzf LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz III. Now continue with #3 above. I'm sure that someone can take all of that make corrections possibly put in some pretty screenshots etc., but that is pretty much the way that I do my installs HTH. One added note: if you wish to have multiple installs for testing purposes, I've found the basic instructions for doing OOo parallel installs helpful: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Run_OOo_versions_parallel Of particular importance is the section on: User directory configuration for 3.* versions -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
[tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions
On 11/22/2010 04:33 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote: listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my. (Besides that, http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice has a metapackage - you need at least squeeze for it, though) For Ubuntu, see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/651124 [[needs-packaging] LibreOffice Productivity Suite] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*. And that's a problem. I would say that's *the* problem. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*. And that's a problem. I would say that's *the* problem. Bob Holtzman The message does not seem to be getting through here. Simply: This type of personal criticism is unacceptable in the LibreOffice community. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions
On 11/22/2010 06:37 PM, NoOp wrote: On 11/22/2010 06:43 AM, Craig A. Eddy wrote: ... René It isn't so much that I administer a Debian release as that I USE a Debian release and do what I can. What I do is what I have managed to learn to do over time, but without any formal training in UNIX, Linux, administration, coding, or anything else. That causes gaps in my education that I freely admit. I feel no shame for what I have learned OR for what I haven't learned. Not everyone can be as experienced as you, nor can everyone feel as comfortable using CLI as you. It is, however why I feel comfortable asking questions or asking for help even from complete strangers who might think less of me for my asking. Not sure which Debian distro that you are using, but if you are using Ubuntu you may find these helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/dpkg.1.html and bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/ https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Note: I _think_ there are similar for standard Debian other Debian based distros. In general; to install LO .deb files on an Ubuntu system (for others that may have the same question): 1. http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ Note the: You can also download using BitTorrent, or browse all the Beta3 installation packages to get unofficial Debian packages (32-bit .debs or 64-bit .debs), or language packs. Click on the appropriate for your system (32-bit or 64-bit) 32-bit: o http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/x86/LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz 64-bit: o http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/x86_64/LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz Or just use the browse all the Beta3 installation packages link to: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/ http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/ (32-bit example) http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/x86/ Download: LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz15-Nov-2010 16:57 164M Details Important: the 'Details' link will give you md5sum/SHA/hash information that you can use to verify the package download with. 2. Once the appropriate tar.gz file is downloaded; use Nautilus to browse to the file download. Right click the tar.gz file and select 'Extract here'. Nautilus will then automatically extract the contents assign proper file permissions to a new folder: LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US (in the case of 32-bit). Under that folder you will find 3 subfolders: DEBS, licences, and readmes. The 'DEBS' (LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS) folder is the folder that contains all the .deb packages. It also contains a subfolder 'desktop-integration' which contain the .deb package for adding LO to your desktop menus. Note the location of the LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS folder. [1] 3. Open a terminal (Applications|Accessories|terminal) and cd to the location of the LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS folder. Example: $ cd /home/username/LibO_3.3.0beta3_20101115_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS Now install the .deb packages: $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb That will install all of the .deb packages in the system /opt folders /opt/libreoffice and /opt/libreoffice3 Now install the menus: $ cd desktop-integration $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb You now should have a working LO installed with menus added to Applications|Office|LibreOffice... If the menus are not automatically you may have to use: $ sudo update-menus or logout/login to get them to appear. Note: when you start LO, your LO profile will be located in: ~/.libreoffice/3/user (/home/username/.libreoffice/3/user) [1] You can do all of this from the terminal rather than using Nautilus. However I recommend using Nautilus to new users so that you will have an graphical idea of were the files are located. To do from the terminal cli only: I. Open the terminal and cd to the location of the .tar.gz file. II. Extract the .tar.gz file (again using the 32-bit file as an example): $ tar xvzf LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz III. Now continue with #3 above. I'm sure that someone can take all of that make corrections possibly put in some pretty screenshots etc., but that is pretty much the way that I do my installs HTH. One added note: if you wish to have multiple installs for testing purposes, I've found the basic instructions for doing OOo parallel installs helpful: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Run_OOo_versions_parallel Of
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 final portable version
When do you plan to release LibreOffice.org 3.3 final? Is the portable version developed by you or portableapps? -- Marius Popa -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
