Re: [tdf-discuss] WPS Office native document files are officially supported in LibreOffice?

[M Henri Day]

2016-11-06 7:26 GMT+01:00 Hugo Alejandro :

> Hello everyone, although it seems insane, there are users that use native
> file formats from "popular" office software as WPS Office.
>
> File extensions are: .wps for text document (different than ms works), .dps
> for presentations and .et for spreedsheets.
>
> The funny thing is that 50% of files that I get with these types of
> documents can be opened without problems, including encrypted files,
> however, the other 50% there is a total or partial loss of information to
> be
> imported. Interestingly, I have not found information on whether these
> formats are supported in LibreOffice, although the facts say yes.
>
> Is there such information or any place to get all currently supported files
> by LibreOffice? I found a great number of questions in the LibreOffice
> Ask, perhaps
> adding a supported files table on the wiki or the document help works (I'd
> like to help), considering it is one of the powerful features it has
> LibreOffice, together with project as TDLP.
>
> --
> *Hugo*


​Hugo, the article on LibreOffice in the English-language version of
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice) provides a list of
supported file formats ; for example, it is noted that .wps ​
​files can be read, but not written to. I did not find any information
regarding .dps or .et files

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Munich and OpenSource

[M Henri Day]

2014-08-20 14:49 GMT+02:00 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com:

 2014-08-20 13:38 GMT+02:00 Werner werner...@gmx.ch:

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/19/munich_dumping_linux_for_windows/

 I hope it won't ge going as far as some of these CDU politicians would
 like.

 Werner


 ​I hope so as well. Anyone at TDF who is better informed about this
 matter than the Reg (not a particularly high bar over which to jump) ?...

 Henri


​I note that *Tech Republic*​
​ claims that the situation is not as all as simple as portrayed in the
*Reg*​
​ (which is not known for the most accurate journalism in the world,
particularly when it comes to open source) :
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/no-munich-isnt-about-to-ditch-free-software-and-move-back-to-windows/


Henri​

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Munich and OpenSource

[M Henri Day]

2014-08-20 13:38 GMT+02:00 Werner werner...@gmx.ch:

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/19/munich_dumping_linux_for_windows/

 I hope it won't ge going as far as some of these CDU politicians would
 like.

 Werner


​I hope so as well. Anyone at TDF who is better informed about this matter
than the Reg (not a particularly high bar over which to jump) ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Happy Birthday, TDF!

[M Henri Day]

2014-02-19 15:07 GMT+01:00 Jens Mildner j...@mildner-web.de:

 Florian Effenberger wrote
  Happy Birthday, Document Foundation!

 Congratulations from my side, too! It's a pleasure to watch TDF grow and
 prosper.

 But with TDF leaving its infancy, and a new board stepping up to continue
 the success story, maybe it's time to share a thought or two about the
 future.

 For me, there's two key points within TDF:

 First is independence, the way the foundation is set up, the hard-coded
 mixture rules for TDF's bodies, the democratic process, the donation-only
 funding (combined with a careful financial planning and
 only-spend-what-you-have attitude). Especially when I look at the other big
 non-profit entity aiming at software for end users, Mozilla, I get the
 strong gut feeling (without doing deeper research) that this independence
 is
 pure gold, and needs to be preserved no matter the cost.

 The second point is transparency, which is key for building the trust
 necessary to make donation-based funding models work, and therefore is key
 for TDF's independence, too. I'm not only talking about transparency of the
 decision-making process here, but also about financial transparency,
 development transparency, and so forth.

 And while TDF is already strong at both independence and transparency, it
 could still be better. So I suggest the following things:

 1) Official statement of affiliation by every member of any official body
 of
 TDF, if there's none already present.

 2) TDF becoming a member of the Initiative Transparente Zivilgesellschaft
 by Transparency Deutschland e. V., adhering to its 10-point code of
 conduct.
 [1]

 Having said that, I also think that TDF should broaden its scope of
 software
 development to truly free the desktop. In its values, it is stated that
 TDF commits to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone
 access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them to
 participate as full citizens in the 21st century. Personally, I think that
 things like a browser, email client, and personal information manager
 should
 also be considered as being office productivity tools, and therefore
 should be offered by TDF in the long run, too.

 This is even more true when I look at the current market for these kinds of
 software. I've read many times that the one big thing missing from OOo/LO
 is
 an Outlook replacement, which would be a combined email client/PIM thingie.
 And with Mozilla going into development directions that I call ambiguous at
 best, the question about which browser to use on Windows could be hard to
 answer in the not too distant future.

 So, two years of TDF is surely a time to celebrate, but probably also a
 time
 for discussing the course to a future even brighter.

 All the best,
 Jens Mildner

 [1] http://www.transparency.de/Initiative-Transparente-Zivilg.1612.0.html


​Contrary to Jens' point of view as expressed above, I'd like to suggest
that, at least for the near future, TDF confines its activities to working​

​to provide «everyone
access to office productivity tools free of charge», in accordance with
its​ statutes. This, which entails battling against Microsoft's entrenched
quasi-monopoly, is a more than sufficiently daunting task, which will
require all the efforts of which we are capable. Email clients, which in an
age in which people are continually connected to the internet, are of minor
use, are beyond its purview. Those who wish to use one can employ
Thunderbird

Rather than do many things poorly, let us do one thing well !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy Birthday, TDF!

[M Henri Day]

2014-02-17 12:55 GMT+01:00 Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org:

 Dear community,

 allow me some personal words on this very special day:

 Happy Birthday, Document Foundation!

 It's unbelievable that it's already been two years. Two years to the day,
 The Document Foundation (TDF) was created as a stable, safe, secure,
 independent and longlasting entity, by the community, for the community,
 with strong values and ideals. Two years later, the LibreOffice community
 is one of the most vivid, valued and recognized free software projects,
 with truly wonderful and fantastic friends and contributors around the
 world, and has grown way beyond our dreams.

 I would like to personally thank all of you for making possible what
 looked impossible two years ago - you all truly rock, and all of you made
 TDF what it is today.

 I'm very proud and truly honoured to be part of this project, and to have
 been given a chance to shape it from the very beginning. It has been an
 interesting, exciting and unforgettable time for me, and I am looking
 forward to the next years, because a bright future is ahead of us.

 The new board, who will be on duty from tomorrow on, I wish all the very
 best for guiding TDF through the next two years. I am more than confident
 that we have wonderfully experienced, engaged and highly motivated
 contributors, who will take the right decisions at the right time to the
 very best of our community.

 Florian


​Many thanks to you, Florian, and to all those who have made TDF such a
success !...

Henri​

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[tdf-discuss] City of München counters disinformation form proprietary provider

[M Henri Day]

I imagine that many LO users will find the *following
articlehttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/city-munich-stands-its-calculation-open-source-saves-millions
* of interest

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Happy Birthday, Document Foundation!

[M Henri Day]

2013/2/17 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Hello everyone,

 exactly one year ago, February 17th 2012, The Document Foundation was
 established as a charitable Foundation under German law (gemeinnützige
 rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts).

 So far, it has proven to be the ideal entity for reflecting the
 LibreOffice's community needs. I am proud and honoured to be part of this
 project, part of this community, and part of TDF.

 I would like to thank all of you who have contributed to the success of
 our common goal - all developers, marketeers, localizers, administrators,
 designers, testers, donors, adopters, users and everyone else involved. You
 have made possible what the community has been dreaming of for a decade,
 and we all can be excited about the future!

 Florian


​Many happy returns !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Initial Reactions to 4.0.0

[M Henri Day]

2013/2/10 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org


 I have not been able to install the final release, but I have a copy of
 RC2 installed. I have not yet had significant experience with it, but:

 First the bad:
 I only found one problem (new bug introduced into the macro language that
 prevents a struct from being assigned to a property in another struct), but
 Noel Power fixed that for release to 4.0.1 Sadly, the fix did not make it
 into 4.0.0. I found a work around, but I hate to change my existing macros
 for a bug that will be fixed soon. When will 4.0.1 be released?

 Now the good:
 My entire impression on the good is based on the fact that it just seems
 to render better. I don't want to go back just because it looks better.
 Unsure what was done with respect to fonts and rendering for this to be the
 case; maybe it is all in my head.

 Sadly, I have been significantly busier than usual, so I cannot comment on
 many other aspects of the release.

 The team has done a very good job.

 --
 Andrew Pitonyak


Andrew, the version available for download from the LibreOffice site as of
yesterday, when I did so, was 4.0.0.3, so I presume that the bug you
mentioned has been corrected. Perhaps you would care to check ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Initial Reactions to 4.0.0

[M Henri Day]

2013/2/8 Robert Boehm boehm.robe...@gmail.com

 Hi alljust a short note to say that I did something I usually never
 do

 I went bold and installed LibreOffice 4.0.0 NOT waiting for the first
 point
 release.  So far so good...this is a good releasenot aware of any bugs
 affecting
 the work that I do yet.  Recommended it to another person who was using
 the 3.6
 series and he also was bold and installed it...working fine.

 One thing that has already been noticed on the street is the MUCH faster
 start-up
 time for the cleaned up code...

 I just want to congratulate the entire LibreOffice development team for
 starting
 this new and exciting 4 versionwith all of the new features and
 speed, it just
 re-energized me in the promotion of this amazing project.

 For my part, I'll continue beta testing in Windows and Linux and
 submitting bug
 reports when I find them

 But this 4.0 seems to me to be the best initial release yet

 Thanks to everyone!

 Bob Boehm


Can't wait for this release to become available in more languages than
«English (USA)» !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Initial Reactions to 4.0.0

[M Henri Day]

2013/2/9 webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com

 On 02/09/2013 02:34 PM, M Henri Day wrote:


...


  Can't wait for this release to become available in more languages than
 «English (USA)» !...

 Henri


 What is meant by that?
 4.0.0 has all the language packs, as far as I can see, as 3.6.5 does.
 So it is in other languages than English.


Sorry to disturb you, webmaster-kracked ; when I checked earlier, I
couldn't find anything but the English (US) version, but after posting Luis
Vásquez R was kind enough to point out in a private message that the new
version was available in some 120 languages and I've already downloaded and
installed the Swedish-language version

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Personal wishes at the end of the year

[M Henri Day]

2012/12/23 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Dear friends,
 Dear community,

 the end of the year 2012 is approaching with large steps, and in most
 countries around the globe, whether they celebrate Christmas or not, the
 holiday season has just begun. People meeting with old friends, their
 families, their beloved ones, thinking about what has happened in the past
 twelve months, and looking forward to what is to come the next 365 days.

 For the LibreOffice community, The Document Foundation and also me
 personally, the current year has been an extraordinarily exciting one. One
 year ago, we weren't sure whether our plan to set up TDF in Berlin the way
 we wanted it to be - independent, meritocratic, open and transparent -
 would work out, or whether we had to redecide for another country. Shortly
 before Christmas, we received several concerns we had to address, but as
 all of you know, luckily everything went well, and on February 17th, The
 Document Foundation was finally incorporated in Berlin, marking not only a
 milestone in the history of free office suites, but also, I dare to say, in
 the history of foundations under German law (Stiftung).

 Since the creation of our very own legal entity, the LibreOffice project
 has seen a massive boost in activity once again. Individuals, governments
 and corporations from around the world have a rapidly growing interest in
 what we do, how we do, and how we govern ourselves. The LibreOffice
 community has been invited to dozens of events around the world, giving
 speeches, talking to major stakeholders, and, most important, fascinated
 more and more people to become a part of our community. This October, we
 have gathered in Berlin and celebrated a wonderful conference at the
 physical hometown of The Document Foundation, which to me marked the
 highlight of this year.

 I am very proud for being part of this community. Exciting times are
 behind us, and even more exciting times are ahead. When we started TDF more
 than two years ago, one of our strongest wishes was to keep this spirit and
 this momentum we have seen during the very first days - and today, I feel
 this spirit and this momentum have even grown further and continue to drive
 us day by day.

 I would like to thank all of you personally for what you have contributed
 to LibreOffice, The Document Foundation and free and open source software
 at large. I am honoured to be part of the free office community since
 summer 2004, and still, I am fascinated day by day to see this activity all
 over the world, people dedicating their heart and their passion to work on
 our common goal. In all those years, I not only met fantastic colleagues,
 but even more, true friends.

 We can all be proud and thankful for what we have achieved, and can
 anticipate the year 2013 with confidence, as great times are ahead - the
 best is yet to come.

 I wish all of you a wonderful holiday season, lots of time to spend with
 your beloved ones, time to recreate your soul and to relax, and time for
 those things in life that are truly important. Have a wonderful start into
 the new year, with lots of joy, health, success and luck, to achieve your
 goals and make your dreams come true.

 On behalf of millions of LibreOffice users worldwide, and very personally,
 thank you very much for everything you do, and looking forward to be
 working with you in the next year!

 Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!
 Florian


As an enthusiastic user, who never fails to promote LibO to others in
relevant contexts, let me thank you, Florian, and all the others at TDF for
all the work you have done to provide us with so outstanding a product !
Please do keep up the good work !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[M Henri Day]

2012/9/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com

 Hi Florian,

 Le 2012-09-16 05:39, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

  Hi,

 Marc Paré wrote on 2012-09-16 08:19:

 The TDF/LibreOffice global websites use International language as its
 international language base. The documents will not be a legal document,
 but a translation of a legal document. The TDF is registered in Germany
 and the legal documents are in DE.


 the documents in their current form have been translated by a lawyer
 together with a native speaker. So, from my POV, we should definitely be
 very careful in changing words, and involving someone understanding the
 German legal system can't harm (I can't volunteer, I desperately lack
 time).

 Otherwise, I fear, we change the document according to sounds good,
 but screw up the meaning :-)

 Florian


 Yes, the exercise is not to make the document sound good, but to fix
 grammatical/spelling errors in EN, establish a proper form (i.e. title form
 should be uniform throughout the text) as well as make the document
 sensible. This, all keeping true to the DE document which supersedes it
 legally.

 The membership in the board of directors ends after term of office and
 the appointment of a successor, by death or by resignation, which is
 permissible at any time. -- this to me, in EN, is nonsensical. the
 sentence needs to be reformulated to correctly represent the DE version.
 There are more instances of incorrect use of punctuation that suggest the
 wrong intent of sentences. There should also be no spellingz errers.

 If the small team looking at the document is still not satisfactory, we
 should wait till we have a member(s) who is/are familiar with the German
 legal system to help.

 A reminder to us that the TDF/LibreOffice make use of international
 English on its site(s).


 Cheers,

 Marc

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Marc, the distinction you make between *producing* a legal document and *
translating* one is essential ; in cases of disagreement between versions,
it would (here) be the original German version which prevails. Our task
would rather be to improve the readability of the English language version,
to the degree that such is required. I find your idea of putting the text
on a wiki excellent

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Can sessions of LibreOffice be saved? - they can't in Xfce

[M Henri Day]

2012/9/13 tashirosgt tash...@zianet.com

 Has anyone been able to save sessions of LibreOffice 3 writer?  By saving
 the
 session, I mean that if you are editing a document and log out, when you
 log
 back in, LibreOffice will automatically open the document that you were
 editing.

 I cannot save sessions of LIbreOffice writer using the Xfce window manager.
 When I reported this as a bug to the Xfce site
 (https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8981) the bug was closed with
 the
 suggestion that LibreOffice writer is responsible for the problem.   Is
 that
 true?  - or can users of other window managers (such as MS Windows 7, Linux
 Gnome 3,  LXDE etc.) save sessions of LibreOffice writer?


Tashirosgt, on my setup - 64-bit Ubuntun12.04 with the Cinnamon desktop and
running LibreOffice Version 3.6.0.1 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:101)), if, after
logging out and logging in again, I click my Writer icon, the document I
was working on re-appears, i e, it is preserved

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[M Henri Day]

2012/9/13 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com

 Hi everyone,

 I was just re-reading the TDF Statutes web page[1] and would like to
 suggest that a small group of us review the EN version (translation) from
 the point of view of syntax, form and readability.

 I have already made a few spelling corrections on the page, but I find
 that it is in need of a review as it does not read well at all. I am taking
 into account that this is a translation from the legal DE version and that
 it is written in legalese.

 I believe the EN document needs close attention as most visitors to the
 site who are serious in documenting our Charter and Statutes are offered
 this document which I find could be improved while still maintaining the
 integrity of the original DE text.

 If we could have 4-5 of us, at least on DE member who is familiar (or who
 want to be familiar with the DE document). We could put the text on a wiki
 page (temporarily) and work with the corrections/improvements from there.
 This should not take long.

 I would also ask if Jean Hollis-Weber could help out with this if she has
 time. The text needs some TLC from the point of view of punctuation,
 syntax, form and all that is of EN grammatical rules.

 This document is especially important to the project. We need to get this
 page right. It defines who we are and how we do it.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1] http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/


 Marc, I don't know how exclusive you intend to be with your reference to
«a small group of us», but I'd be happy to help in refining the
English-language text

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [QA] LibreOffice 3.6.1.1 first tests results

[M Henri Day]

2012/8/16 Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it

 Ciao Everyone!

 My current notebook system:
 - OpenSuSE 12.1, updated, gnome 3.4.1, Kernel Linux 3.1.10-63-desktop,
 x86-64 (on an Intel EM64T Cpu), italian GUIed;
 - nVidia GeForce 9500M GS - 512 Mbyte dedicated Video RAM, kernel
 integrated nouveau driver;
 - LibreOffice vanilla Version *3.6.1.1* (Build ID: 4db6344), italian
 GUIed.

 In the LibreOffice *3.6.0.4* first tests I dealt with this bugs:
 - system integratiion file association fails (even though
 .../desktop-integration/**libreoffice3.6-suse-menus-3.6.**0-104.noarch.rpm
 was installed);
 - italian dictionary doesn't seem to check the words (none incorrect were
 underlined);
 - importing a pdf file results in a read only opened Draw document and the
 read only state still remains/persists after saving as a LibreOffice Draw
 file (odg file).

 In the first 3.6.1.1 - that I have just downloaded and installed - test
 all of upper bugs seem to be fixed! :-)

 Fine work from tester and developer and bug fixer!

 Have a nice and sunny day!

 Carlo


Encouraging ! Mille grazie !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] The City Hall of Vieira do Minho adopts Free Software (LibreOffice)

[M Henri Day]

2012/3/10 mcande...@cm-vminho.pt

 PRESS RELEASE

 The City Hall of Vieira do Minho adopts Free Software (LibreOffice)

 The City Hall of Vieira do Minho has definitively adopted the productivity
 software LibreOffice around its computing park. This productivity package
 includes Writer, word processing and editing of web pages, Calc
 (Spreadsheet), creating and editing spreadsheets, Impress, creating and
 editing multimedia presentations, Draw, creating and editing drawings,
 diagrams and graphs , Base (Database), creating and editing Databases and
 Math (Equation Editor).

 With this change to a Free Software, besides the lack of a financial
 burden due to the inexistence of licensing (Free Software), this City Hall
 has adopted open standards in accordance with Law 36/2011 of 21 June. It
 has also started the standardization and universality of digital formats in
 the files used by the City Hall and its residents.

 This type of software enables the use of a variety of operating systems
 for use of various tools, it has been adopted internationally with very
 positive and encouraging results, it has the ability to import / export
 various proprietary formats (Word files, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook, etc.)
 and establishes the native creation of PDF files. Other interesting feature
 of the software is to be fully in Portuguese and have writing tools also in
 Portuguese.

 Regarding the management of employees ' electronic mail, the City Hall has
 adopted the Thunderbird program, also a Free Software.
 With this measure, the City Hall of Vieira do Minho aims to demonstrate
 that the definitive adoption of free software in many areas of public
 administration is not only desirable but also essential for a more modern
 and financially sustainable Public Service.


 Vieira do Minho March 8, 2012

 Communication Office


Encouraging !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk

[M Henri Day]

2011/12/30 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 12/30/2011 08:12 AM, M Robinson wrote:
 ...
 
  I haven't heard of Delete/Eraser that works as well on SSDs as
  traditional hard drives. That said USB will be the most common storage
  media soon enough. Who saves to CDs at work?
 
  I don't think the icon is a big deal, the whole interface is dated, I
  pitched a Firefox addon-like interface a while back, but I'm still ahead
  of my time on that.
 
  Rather than reinventing the wheel, update the saveicon with a stock USB
  icon: a vertical USB icon, it looks like a human carrying stuff and you
  have the integrated download arrow, and it is a recognized symbol on
  cameras, phones, TVs, etc.
 
  http://imagebin.org/190980
 

 Rather than reinvent the wheel:

 Stock icons:
 GNOME  Humanity:
 
 http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/scalable/actions/document-save.svg
 
 [my system Humanity:
 /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/document-save.svg
 matches the one from freedesktop.org]

 Tango:
 
 http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/document-save.png?view=co
 
 [which is not used by LO when the Tango theme is selected - LO still
 uses a floppy with the Tango theme. My system Tango:
 /usr/share/icons/Tango/22x22/actions/document-save.png
 matches the one from freedesktop.org]

 freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification:
 
 http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
 
 document-save  The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow pointing
 down and toward a hard disk.

 I suspect that LO are still using these icons for Tango:
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-OOo
 [Tango OpenOffice.org 2.0 -Note this artwork is not public domain.]
 However, that standard Tango icons *are* public domain:
 http://tango.freedesktop.org/
 quote
 Terms Of Use

 The Tango base icon theme is released to the Public Domain. The palette
 is in public domain. Developers, feel free to ship it along with your
 application. The icon naming utilities are licensed under the GPL.

 Though the tango-icon-theme package is released to the Public Domain, we
 ask that you still please attribute the Tango Desktop Project, for all
 the hard work we've done. Thanks.
 /quote


Personally, I like the arrow pointing downward towards a harddisk (would
look much the same if it were interpreted as an SSD), but please give us
some advance notice, so that I can prepare myself for the task of
explaining to my retirees «what they did with the TV on my screen»   :-)

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Can we replace Floppy Disk

[M Henri Day]

2011/12/30 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org

 On 28/12/2011 Norbert Thiebaud wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:

 Why we still continue the Floppy Disk as the icon for Save button in
 LibreOffice?


 When was the last time you saw a phone that look like
 http://iphonestudio.co.uk/**images/uber_iphone_phone_logo.**jpghttp://iphonestudio.co.uk/images/uber_iphone_phone_logo.jpg
 Ironically that 70 years old design is still used on IPhone and others
 modern cell-phone to indicate: 'telephone'


 Indeed. An icon is just a convention to convey a meaning and it should not
 necessarily be a representation of reality. One doesn't usually look for
 words in a document using a binocular or a magnifying glass, but people can
 easily associate these icons to Find.

 For those who want to practice their Italian or stress-test machine
 translation, here's a nice short and funny article from 1996 by the famous
 writer Umberto Eco: Icons everywhere? No thanks, I can read.
 http://tecfa.unige.ch/staf/**staf9597/beltrame/STAF13/eco.**htmlhttp://tecfa.unige.ch/staf/staf9597/beltrame/STAF13/eco.html

 Regards,
  Andrea.


As a counter to Professor Eco's brief - and as always in his case, witty
critique of icons, may I suggest that interested users test his conclusions
by launching Writer, clicking Tools and selecting Customise and then
Toolbars, clicking the Toolbar button and finally selecting «Text only». *
Pace* Professor Eco, but I suspect that all who do so will immediately
reselect «Icons only»

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Holiday Greetings

[M Henri Day]

2011/12/25 drew d...@baseanswers.com

 This has been quite a year for the extended community and communities of
 individuals formed since the decision to open source the original
 StarOffice application suite some 12 years ago. Then again the same
 could be said for the entire dozen years - and here is my meager attempt
 to capture that in 2 minutes...

 http://youtu.be/J84WQtbcZ1s

 Merry Christmas

 ~~ Drew Jensen


Loved the video ! And thanks to you, Drew, and all the developers who have
helped to bring us products like StarOffice, OpenOffice, and LibreOffice !
And happy Winter Solstice (for us in the Northern hemisphere) to you all
!...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[M Henri Day]

2011/11/8 Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be

 Hi Italo,


 At 13:01 8-11-2011, Italo Vignoli wrote:

 Christophe Strobbe wrote:

 LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
 office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of
 OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 and
 has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. New
 code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU Lesser
 General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License
 (MPL).


 I don't like as a fork of OOo, and I would rather prefer based on OOo
 source code. Of course, the concept of the fork is correct, but as the
 reality is that every flavour of the legacy StarOffice source code is now a
 fork (AOOo is more of a fork than LibreOffice) I would avoid to label
 LibreOffice as such.



 Thanks for your comment. I have changed the paragraph to:
 LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
 office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. It is a
 community-driven project of The Document Foundation. The Document
 Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new
 versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is
 developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License Version
 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL).


 Best regards,

 Christophe


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Good suggestion by italo, well implemented by Christophe. Kudos to both of
you !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Candidacy for Board of Directors seat -- Bjoern Michaelsen [UPDATE]

[M Henri Day]

2011/9/28 Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com

 Hi all,

 On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:55:00 +0200
 Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:

  What will I be doing, should I get elected?
 
  TDF and the Libreoffice project have already come a long way since
  their birth less than a year ago. As a developer I will represent
  that part of the community, but I will also try to help grow the
  channels of communication between developers and other parts of the
  project. Being responsible for the complete product on the Ubuntu
  platform, I firmly believe all parts of the project are not only
  important, but also need a shared vision of what needs to be
  accomplished to create an even better product.

 As it is always hard to put such abstract topics down in a few
 sentences, the above is just a short overview. However, just two days
 ago, somebody who I highly regard for his skills in open source software
 project management put in words most of what I was trying to say -- as
 bluntly as usual.

 Here is the interview (with Linus Torvalds):


 http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/Linus-Torvalds-s-Lessons-on-Software-Development-Management/ba-p/440

 Best,

 Bjoern


Bjørn, the following is not  intended as a swipe at you personally, but I
must say that the introduction of the Unity UI on Ubuntu has not been the
sort of thing that I should like to see occur on LibreOffice. My impression
is that objections from users have been disregarded in a cavalier manner,
and that we were faced with an attitude of my way or the highway. Not
encouraging

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Candidacy for Board of Directors seat -- Bjoern Michaelsen [UPDATE]

[M Henri Day]

2011/9/28 Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com

 Hi Henri,

 On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:50:06 +0200
 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:

  Bjørn, the following is not  intended as a swipe at you personally,
  but I must say that the introduction of the Unity UI on Ubuntu has
  not been the sort of thing that I should like to see occur on
  LibreOffice. My impression is that objections from users have been
  disregarded in a cavalier manner, and that we were faced with an
  attitude of my way or the highway. Not encouraging

 No need to assume I would take this personal. Although I did some
 technical work on integrating Libreoffice into Unity as well as in other
 desktops, I have not been involved at all with the decision to make
 Unity the default desktop (you can actually easily confirm that from
 the date when I joined Canonical).

 Aside from that: I am running for the seat personally, not to represent
 my employer. The initiative for this came from me alone(*).

 Best,

 Bjoern


Björn, no need to assume that I shouldn't take you at your word when you say
you had nothing to do with the Unity decision ; if you joined Canonical
later, you certainly can't be held responsible. Nor did I assume that you
were runnning as a representative of your employer, but based on  your
mention of the fact that you (now) work for Canonical, I did in fact have
some questions regarding your attitude towards relations with the wider user
community. These questions have now been resolved to my satisfaction ; thank
you for doing so

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy: Personal Profile of a Marketer

[M Henri Day]

2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com

 PLEASE BE WARNED, THIS IS NOT A TOTALLY SERIOUS PROFILE

 Who am I?

 At 57, I am the grandfather of The Document Foundation, but I can
 anticipate that you will find me jumping around for a long time as I
 plan to work full time on advocating FOSS when I will retire in eight
 years (good marketing planning looks at the long term...).

 During my working life, I have done quite a few things, that you can
 find summarized in my Linkedin profile:
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/italovignoli.

 If you want to know how I ended up in marketing of technology products
 with a background in humanities, you can read my very personal story,
 which I wrote for the tenth anniversary of ComputerWorld Italy:
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/italovignoli.

 The story is in Italian, but I can anticipate that it is written in a
 style which makes Google Translate shine, apart from some hiccups.

 Of course, this is the absolute truth. It all happened in June 1982.

 What I have done for TDF?

 Don't look at statistics, as you won't find my name anywhere. I've just
 tried to do what I know best: provide some marketing advice, and try to
 make TDF and LibreOffice as popular as possible by engaging the media.

 I have also gone a few miles around to represent TDF at conferences in
 Chicago, Zagreb and Athens, and I will also be speaking at LinuxCon
 Europe in Prague in October.

 What motivates me to work for TDF?

 I have a professional challenge: with a marketing budget of zero (in
 letters it looks bigger), outsmart corporations with a marketing budget
 with six or more zeros (and with a number in front which makes it more
 significant).

 I have managed to achieve this objective at OOo in Italy, and I would
 like to achieve the same objective at TDF.

 What will I be doing, should I get elected?

 I promise that I will never write a single line of code, and this is
 quite important for software stability. In addition, I will cook pasta
 at hackfests and on spare time I will handle some marketing and media
 relations.

 I am also going to have an awful lot of fun, as any serious grandfather
 deserves when he is close to retiring.

 END OF PARTIALLY SERIOUS PROFILE

 I promise I will be more serious when answering additional enquiries.

 Ciao, Italo

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 italo.vign...@gmail.com
 mobile +39.348.5653829
 VoIP +39.02.320621813
 skype italovignoli


Was looking forward to reading your very personal story, Italo - without the
aid of Google Translate - but was unable to find it on the Linkedin page to
which you linked above. Is the following the blog you had in mind (
http://www.cwi.it/2010/02/01/nasce-il-nuovo-blog-sistemaperto-riflessioni-in-liberta-sullopen-source/)
or, if not, could you point me to another ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy: Personal Profile of a Marketer

[M Henri Day]

2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com

 M Henri Day wrote:

  Was looking forward to reading your very personal story, Italo - without
 the
  aid of Google Translate - but was unable to find it on the Linkedin page
 to
  which you linked above. Is the following the blog you had in mind (
 
 http://www.cwi.it/2010/02/01/nasce-il-nuovo-blog-sistemaperto-riflessioni-in-liberta-sullopen-source/
 )
  or, if not, could you point me to another ?...

 Sorry, the link was totally wrong, I have re-sent the message with the
 right link: http://www.italovignoli.com/?p=557

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Thanks for correcting the link, Italo ; I enjoyed the story !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [QA] Opening a .doc file - Regression in Libreoffice 3.4 ???

[M Henri Day]

2011/8/24 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 08/23/2011 01:47 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
  Sorry if this is not the proper list to ask, but before
  filing a bug I'd like to know if someone has seen this before:
 
  The following .doc file does open correctly in
  OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 but neither in
  LibreOffice 3.4.2 nor in LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1
  (Build:301) - tested on Debian and LinuxMint:
 
 
 http://www.tullverket.se/download/18.4ab1598c11632f3ba9280009674/enhetsdokument+anvands+vid+import+och+export+4+blad_tv718_3.doc
 
  Seems like a problem with lookup in many fields (Error:
  Source reference not found), also looks like cell formatting
  is separated onto another page than the form tables.
  Curiously in LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 the file is always
  opened as read-only, no matter which permissions or
  filesystem is used.
 
  Of course this could simply be a corrupted file, still it
  opens correctly in OOo.
 
  Any ideas ?
 
  Regards,
  Sveinn í Felli
 
 

 Opens fine in OOo 3.2.1 (go-oo/Ubuntu version), OOo 3.3.0, and OOo-Dev
 3.4.0
 .
 Does *not* open properly in *any* LO versions that I currently have
 installed (3.3.3 and 3.4.2).

 You've found YALOB (Yet Another LO Bug); of which there seem to more 
 more of every day  oddly enough with previous OOo files. I see rapid
 regression with *every* new LO update and have actually started using
 older OOo  go-oo packages for stability.

 Note to others who may think that I do not use or have installed LO:
 $ locate versionrc
 /opt/libreoffice/basis3.3/program/versionrc
 /opt/libreoffice/program/versionrc
 /opt/libreoffice/ure/bin/versionrc
 /opt/libreoffice3.4/basis3.4/program/versionrc
 /opt/libreoffice3.4/program/versionrc
 /opt/libreoffice3.4/ure/bin/versionrc
 /opt/ooo-dev/basis3.4/program/versionrc
 /opt/ooo-dev/ure/bin/versionrc
 /opt/ooo-dev3/program/versionrc
 /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.3/program/versionrc
 /opt/openoffice.org/ure/bin/versionrc
 /opt/openoffice.org3/program/versionrchttp://openoffice.org/ure/bin/versionrc%0A/opt/openoffice.org3/program/versionrc
 /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.2/program/versionrc
 /usr/lib/openoffice/program/versionrc
 /usr/lib/ure/bin/versionrc

 and I have LO installed for testing on Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10.


As a follow up to NoOp's comment above, I can here mention that on my build
- LibreOffice 3.3.3 (OOO330m19 (Build:301) libreoffice-3.3.3.1, Ubuntu
package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2) - on 64-bit Ubuntu 11.04, this EU customs document
opens in highly distorted form : no text in some fields/pages, pages come in
erroneous order, and in many fields, the following text appears : «Fel: Det
gick inte att hitta referenskällan», which, for the sake of both importers
and exporters, I hope does not appear on the original form

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/16 Charles Jenkins cejperso...@tec-usa.com

 Cristoph wrote:

   What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not
  that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to:
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement


 I did it! The wiki finally let me edit the page!

 Now that we can find Bug 38244 under the section for voting on
 Enhancements to Writer, I'd like to ask everyone with an interest in
 this issue to please sign up and add your vote.

 If you use Track Changes to work with an editor, you probably need this
 feature! :-)


Charles, I'm happy to hear that you were able to edit the page, but less
happy that, despite signing in, I couldn't find any way to register my vote.
A step-by-step for the intellectually challenged ?...

Henri

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[tdf-discuss] List of supported formats in LibreOffice Draw.

[M Henri Day]

Back in February, SVG was added to the list of formats natively supported in
LibreOffice Draw. Can anyone help me find a link to a webpage that lists *
all* such formats ? Many thanks !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Easier Graphic Insertion

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/10 Charles Jenkins charles.jenk...@tec-usa.com

 Hi, everyone! I'm new here. I have a feedback to offer, and I was told
 this is the place to do it.

 In my day job as an engineer, I currently use Microsoft Word to write
 technical documentation which includes screenshot images. I'd like to
 break the Word habit.

 I understand that when creating publications like newsletters, some
 people may need to place graphics in a particular spot on the page and
 have text flow around it. However, I think most business and casual
 users -- and certainly someone like myself who produces technical
 documentation -- need to have the graphics flow along with the text.

 In other words, we need the graphics to be anchored as a character. I
 know LibreOffice can do this, but it is not the default behavior, and to
 fix it after inserting a picture involves a lot of work: The initial
 paste is almost guaranteed to put the anchor in the wrong place, and
 even after moving it, you typically have to go into the Picture dialog
 box to fix Position attributes.

 Microsoft Word and the Macintosh word processors I'm familiar with
 insert pictures anchored as a character by default. Though many other
 things are disastrously wrong with Microsoft Word, I have to admit that
 they do picture insertion just right. With LibreOffice, adding a
 screenshot is quite a frustrating battle for me.

 If Insert Pictures Anchored as Characters were only an option turned
 ON by default, LibreOffice would be much more usable for me, and I
 suspect many others, at work.

 --

 Charles


Agreed ! Simplifying the procedures necessary to implement a desired action
would greatly facilitate promoting LibreOffice to prospective users
unaccustomed to wending their way through complicated series of steps in
order to accomplish what to them are/should be relatively simple tasks. I'm
by no means asking for a ribbon, but a GUI which would allow one to, say,
insert an image in a running text would be most welcome indeed !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Installing Language Pack

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/11 johnerskine johnerskine1...@gmail.com

 Henri

 This worked - many thanks!

 John


Glad to have been able to be of help !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] When will 3.4 be available in Ubuntu ppa

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/10 theTechnaddict thetechnadd...@gmail.com

 I love the improvements of 3.4 - if nothing else it loads so much faster
 and
 works better (with Ubuntu 11.04). I also enjoy the benefits of
 repositories.
 There's a ppa for libreOffice but this still has 3.3.2 files in it.

 I can install from debs, I know, but the question is - when will the ppa
 have 3.4?


Let me second (third) this question. I only hope that we don't get a
response of the type - when you chaps get off your posteriors and write a
new package !...

Henri


 Great work, I've stopped looking around for an alternative to OpenOffice
 and
 look forward instead to the developments in this project.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/10 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com


 On Jun 10, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Volker Merschmann wrote:

  Hi,
 
  2011/6/10 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org:
  BRM wrote:
  Clearly marking the website, signatures, etc. for TDF would probably go
 a long
  ways in helping to end that conversation.
 
  Since we're now down to debating cosmetics - could we please end the
  discussion here  all get back to work? TDF will be legally
  established in due course, quite a few people are working on that.
 
 
  Some more fundamental (not just cosmetical) insights actually have
  been published by the FSF:
  http://www.fsf.org/news/openoffice-apache-libreoffice
 

 I would recommend that TDF make their own determinations...
 After all, it would be trivially easy for someone at the ASF
 to make a counterpoint blogpost recommending AL... If people
 are swayed by what FSF (or anyone else) says without giving
 thoughtful and honest consideration for their *own* s/w,
 then FOSS is in big, big trouble.
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«After all, it would be trivially easy for someone at the ASF to make a
counterpoint blogpost recommending AL...» Isn't that precisely what you've
done in the above, Jim ? You seem to ignore the fact that FSF recommended
the following : «[a]nybody who plans to use or contribute to one of these
productivity suites should understand how these policies affect them, and
consider which better complement their own goals», which strikes me as both
objective and reasonable and then, on the basis of its own analysis,
suggested that LibreOffice contributes more to the cause of free software.
What's the beef ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] FYI: Apache Incubator is now voting

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/10 Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com

 Hi all,

 I just wanted to bring an FYI that the Apache Incubator has begun
 its voting process on accepting the OO.o proposal to become a
 podling within the Incubator. At the moment, it appears to be
 passing by a huge margin, with only two dissenting votes[1] at this
 time.

 The Apache process recognizes two types of votes:

 * binding votes are from those who have a recognized ability to
 participate in the process. These votes are the ones which will be
 counted.

 * non-binding votes are from other participants in the conversation.
 Their votes are allowed as a measure and gauge over the broader
 community opinion, even though they will not actually be tallied in
 the final ballot.

 If you wish to make your voice heard, then I would encourage you to
 respond to the [VOTE] thread on gene...@incubator.apache.org (I would
 think gmane[2] is your best way to respond to the thread without
 having to actually subscribe).

 Cheers,
 -g

 [1] the dissenting votes are non-binding, fwiw
 [2] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/29904

 ps. my advance apologies if you feel this post is inappropriate for
 these two TDF forums. I felt obliged to include you all in this
 process, though I do understand that it may not be welcome.


Speaking solely for myself, Greg, your post was not at all unwelcome ; on
the contrary, thanks for keeping us informed as to what is going on !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/8 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com


 On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:36 PM, M Henri Day wrote:

  left out. As I see it, the upshot of the matter is that TDF would best be
  advised to devote its limited resources to improving LibreOffice, rather
  than to working to please the lawyerly mind
 

 I would suggest, as an outsider, that TDF continue the lawyerly
 efforts in finalizing its foundation, non-profit, governance,
 models. There is nothing worse, or more dangerous, than an
 almost created foundation. ;)


Good point, Jim ! I amend my comment to read as follows : As I see it, the
upshot of the matter is that TDF, after completing the procedure necessary
for establishing itself as a non-profit foundation according to the laws and
regulations governing such in the country (Germany) in which it is
registered, would best be advised to devote its limited resources to
improving LibreOffice, rather than to working to please the lawyerly mind
and complying with all the regulations required to accept a possible
«donation» from a legal entity registered in the United States.

Hope the above will suffice !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/8 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com


 On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, NoOp wrote:

  Repeat.
 
  On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, NoOp wrote:
  On 06/04/2011 05:10 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
  ...
  Whether OOo lives or dies in Apache, Oracle has made it abundantly
  clear that this is it... This is one promise I fully expect Oracle
  will keep :/
 
  Interesting...
 
  Could you clarify that statement?
 
  1. @ASF: What happens to OOo if ASF votes *not* to accept the OOo
  project into the incubator? And it that is the case, what happens to the
  OOo software that has been granted to the ASF by Oracle?
  ...
 
  Was it your intention to pop into this list with:
 
  Hello!
 
  I have also just subscribed to both discuss@ and steering-discuss@
  in hopes that if there are questions here regarding OOo, LOo, TDF
  and the ASF, I can respond. I'm also here to also ask that if
  you feel more comfortable emailing me directly, that is fine
  as well.
 
  and no longer respond to questions?
 
  The questions are, IMO, valid and are important - both for OOo and
 TDF/LO.

 Sorry I did not reply to this email in a timely manner... although I
 have replied to others, I did not have time to answer this one;
 I have been traveling and am at a conference and so sincere
 apologies for taking 2 days to reply.

 I think that should OOo not be approved as an incubator podling,
 then there are 3 main options.

 The first is that the ASF could refuse the grant, at which point
 they would remain Oracle property. I think that some people would
 want to do that; the ASF is not in the business of accepting stuff
 that it has no intention of using.

 The 2nd is that the ASF accept the grant and simply place the
 tarball on a server somewhere and say here it is. The ASF
 would let the OOo trademark die.

 The 3rd would be that the ASF would donate the code and the trademark
 to someone else; there is no guarantee that it would be to TDF or
 anyone else to TDFs liking, since we have no idea who it would be
 or could be donated to.

 I will say that it is unfortunate that there is sooo much distrust
 on both sides, because it really prevents us from having the type
 of open and honest discussions required. There are people who see
 TDF's resistance to working with the ASF as a simple ploy to get
 the ASF to donate the code (and trademark) to them, acting for what
 seems as what is in their best interest, rather than the best interest
 of the community in general. Same as those who see the ASF as more
 interested in taking over than in working with people.

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Jim, thank you for your considered - and considerate ! - reply. The
circumstances being what they are, would not the best path for ASF to
take(as seems to me to be the case) be
to accept the grant (in the event Oracle is offering it *nulla condicione
astrictus*) and then donate both the code and the trademark to TDF, given
the great work that the latter has been doing on LibreOffice ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/8 toki toki.kant...@gmail.com

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 Henri wrote:

  The circumstances being what they are, would not the best path for ASF to
 take(as seems to me to be the case) be to accept the grant (in the event
 Oracle is offering it *nulla condicione astrictus*)

 Assuming that Oracle is offering the code, trademarks, etc to The Apache
 Software Foundation under the usual Apache Software grant
 (http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt), I'm not convinced
 that The Apache Software Foundation could make that donation.  Whilst
 Distribute and sublicense is legally acceptable, a flat out donation
 is skating on thin ice. (The exception would be if The Apache Software
 Foundation was being dissolved, and in that specific situation, the code
 would have to be donated under the Apache License to an organization
 that had 501(c)(3) status. Equivalent status in a jurisdiction outside
 of the United States does not count.)

 Furthermore, whilst it is fine to ask for the donation, lawyers from
 both The Apache Software Foundation and The Document Foundation would
 have to verify that the donation was legal in both jurisdictions.
 (United States, and Germany.) (Going by memory, the paperwork to solicit
 donations in DE is only 20 pages long, and about 30 days to complete.)

 Jim wrote:

  then I would  expect that they/we would spent quite a bit of time
 determining the best place for it..

 That place being somewhere that The Apache Software Foundation can place
 the code, and be in compliance with US Law, Delaware Law, The Apache
 Software Foundation by-laws, the laws of the state that the recipient
 organization is in, and the by-laws of the organization in which it is
 placed.

 Somewhere that the Apache Software Foundation legal team can ensure that
 is kosher for _both_ parties.

 TANSTAAFL wrote:

  Where *else* would even be a *remotely* viable candidate?

 There might be no viable candidates.

 Just because _The Document Foundation_ has filled out most of the
 paperwork for Germany, does not mean that it can be the recipient of any
 donations from the United States.  For starters, has The Document
 Foundation filled out any of the legally required paperwork to solicit
 donations in any state of the United States?  (Fortunately, the same
 form can be used in most of the states. However, it still has to be
 customized for each state.)

 I'd suggest that the reason Oracle apparently ignored the letter sent by
 The Document Foundation to them, was to avoid any potential penalties
 imposed by the State of California. Whilst the penalty is chump change,
 it is cheaper to avoid the potential situation of having to pay that
 penalty in the first place. Especially when you are giving something away.

 jonathon
 - --
 If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting.

 If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth
 requesting.

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Thanks, Toki - problems of the type you describe are the reason I added the
stipulation «nulla condicione astrictus». But you are no doubt entirely
correct - one can't just give things away ; instead the recipient has to
demonstrate that they fulfil certain specifications. Otherwise, the lawyers
and legislators - all too often in the same person - would feel themselves
left out. As I see it, the upshot of the matter is that TDF would best be
advised to devote its limited resources to improving LibreOffice, rather
than to working to please the lawyerly mind

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/1 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 quote
 REDWOOD SHORES, CA--(Marketwire - Jun 1, 2011) - With today's proposal
 to contribute the OpenOffice.org code to The Apache Software
 Foundation's Incubator, Oracle continues to demonstrate its commitment
 to the developer and open source communities. Donating OpenOffice.org to
 Apache gives this popular consumer software a mature, open, and well
 established infrastructure to continue well into the future. The Apache
 Software Foundation's model makes it possible for commercial and
 individual volunteer contributors to collaborate on open source product
 development. -- Luke Kowalski, vice president, Oracle Corporate
 Architecture Group.
 /quote

 More:
 
 http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm
 

 It will be interesting to see how this works out  how TDF will work
 with ASF.


Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

[M Henri Day]

2011/6/1 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 06/01/2011 09:23 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
  2011/6/1 NoOp ...
  More:
  
 
 http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm
  
 
  It will be interesting to see how this works out  how TDF will work
  with ASF.
 
 
  Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !...
 
  Henri
 

 TDF's Statement:
 
 http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/
 


Bravo, TDF - this is precisely the attitude we need !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/29 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org

M Henri Day wrote:
  2011/5/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.weigel@...
   As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download servers.
  Which, no doubt, is an question of money.

 Actually it is just a choice: it does lower the barrier for someone to
 host a mirror, but the size and upload time are comparable; the ratio
 between the space needed to host LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org is not
 an order of magnitude but something like 1/5 or 1/6, especially now that
 LibreOffice partially dropped support for several dozens of languages
 (that were actually untranslated).

 You should also consider that the help pack is kind of optional in
 LibreOffice, since LibreOffice relies on online (i.e., on a website)
 help as its primary help system.

 Regards,
   Andrea.


If, indeed, Andrea, this is a choice between two more or less equal
alternatives (from tdf's point of view), I should like to suggest that the
alternative in which help packages, etc, for non-English-language version
are bundled together with the main (US-English) download be adopted, so the
need for users to download and install two or three different packages is
obviated

Henri

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[tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[M Henri Day]

I've been wondering for some time why downloading a stable Swedish version
of LO is more complicated than downloading a stable Swedish version of OO (I
presume this is also the case for other non-English languages, but I've not
tried). Below a table which displays the difference :

*(64-bit) Ubuntu 10.10 :*

* LibO_3.3.2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz 163 MB
* LibO_3.3.2_Linux_x86-64_langpack-deb_sv.tar.gz 2.1 MB (sv - Svenska)
* LibO_3.3.2_Linux_x86-64_helppack-deb_sv.tar.gz 9.9 MB (sv - Svenska)


Download now!

Start downloading OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 for Linux Debian 64-bit in Swedish.
(Java Runtime Environment (JRE) included for all OS versions except Linux
32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS)

*
(64-bit) Windows 7 :*

* LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe 214 MB
* LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_helppack_sv.exe 9.6 MB (sv - Svenska)


Download OpenOffice.org 3.3.0

Click to start downloading the most recent version for Windows and Swedish
(Java Runtime Environment (JRE) included for all versions except Linux
32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS)

As the table makes clear, for 64-bit Linux Debian, two more files must be
downloaded and installed in the case of LO than in the case of OO. For
Windows, one more file is required. This means that when helping retirees
install an alternative to MS Office, I find myself turning to OO rather than
LO, which I prefer for my own use. If the respective helppacks and langpacks
can be included in stable versions of OO for non-English languages, I fail
to understand why the same thing cannot be done for LO versions. But perhaps
I am missing something here ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org

 Hi,

 Am 28.05.2011 19:44, schrieb M Henri Day:

  If the respective helppacks and langpacks
  can be included in stable versions of OO for non-English languages, I
 fail
  to understand why the same thing cannot be done for LO versions. But
 perhaps
  I am missing something here ?...

 As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download servers.

 Stefan

 --
 LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir!


Which, no doubt, is an question of money. Thanks, Stefan, that explains it.
Sometimes liberty is not that easy to seize !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/4 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org

 Thanks Mike for the tip

 As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by
 Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

 So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
 make it show in the Element window

 Olivier


Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄
symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl
and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal
code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type
of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
characters in LibreOffice Math

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com

 Olivier Hallot wrote:



 Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu:

 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org

  Thanks Mike for the tip

 As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used
 by
 Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

 So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
 make it show in the Element window

 Olivier


 Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like
 the ∄
 symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the
 Ctrl
 and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the
 hexdecimal
 code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this
 type
 of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
 characters in LibreOffice Math

 Henri


 Hi
 Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type
 such key combination!!

 Does not work in Windows...

 Since the majority of computer users have the Windows OS, it sounds like we
 need to specifically add this character to the set of Math characters.


As I noted above, I quite agree that these logical symbols should be added
to the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math. However, until they
are, there exists a workaround for Windows users, which even works with
Windows 7 (checked on 64-bit Win7 Pro) ; namely, to install UnicodeInput (
http://www.fileformat.info/tool/unicodeinput/index.htm). Note, however, that
(for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code that
must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the
quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering
«089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on
Win7

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com

 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com
  [...]
  (for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code
 that
  must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the
  quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering
  «089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on

 Nope - that's double conversion you're doing here.. 2204 is already
 hex value. that in decimal would be 8708

 While probably not so useful for this case, you can also modify
 windows keyboard layouts to have access to more key-combinations.

 http://microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx

 ciao
 Christian


I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal
representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204 ((12x16⁰ +
(9x16¹) + (8x16²)), so I don't understand where the «double conversion»
comes in. As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal
code for the glyph «∄», and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode (
http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up. But perhaps this
is a misunderstanding on my part, and if so, I should be grateful if you
would disabuse me

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com

 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com
  [...]
  I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal
  representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204

 Yes, but the 2204 is not a decimal number. 2204 is already a
 hexadecimal representation.

  [...] so I don't understand where the «double conversion» comes in.

 Your converting a number to hexadecimal that is already hexadecimal.
 It is not two thousand two hundred and four, but 2*16³+2*16²+4 = 8708

  As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal
  code for the glyph «∄»,

 No. 2204 is the hexadecimal representation, and 089c is a completely
 different character (one that is not assigned)

  and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode (
  http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up.

 No, on the contrary, when you look up 089c there (go to 0890 in the
 leftmost row, then go to the c = 12th column (starting to count with
 0, i.e. the columns with characters are
 0890, 0891, … 0899, 089A, 089B, 089C (=2204), 089D, 089E, 089F

 Nowhere in the table's body, you'll see a hex digit, none of the small
 numbers above the characters contains an a, b, c, d, e or f, while the
 outer numbering does - thus those little number cannot be
 hexadecimal, but those are the decimal ones, they are increased by one
 left to right, top to bottom.

 go to
 http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/?n=8192 locate the 2200 in the
 leftmost index column, go to the 4th (again starting with 0) column
 and you are at our character U+2204, with decimal number 8708.

  But perhaps this
  is a misunderstanding on my part, and if so, I should be grateful if you
  would disabuse me

 Hope that helps.

 ciao
 Christian


Thanks, Christian ; I stand corrected

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Competition in the EU regarding pre-installed Windows

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/22 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com

 FFII and the AFUL (two free-software associations) have started a
 crowd-sourcing effort
 to provide information to the European Commission Competition agency about
 the lack of choice for the consumers when it comes to computers and
 compulsory pre-installed Windows.

 Original press-releases:

 http://press.ffii.org/Press%20releases/Share%20your%20operating%20system%20bundling%20tales%20with%20the%20EU

 http://aful.org/communiques/share-your-operating-system-bundling-tales-with-the-eu

 Here is my take to simplify the message,
 http://simos.info/blog/archives/1198

 How is this relevant to LibreOffice? The source of the problem is the
 bundling of Microsoft
 Windows to the new computers. The manufacturers get discounts for the
 licenses if they support
 only Windows, if they promote only Windows on their websites and ads, and
 so on.
 If this relationship weakens, we may see a chance for LibreOffice on
 new computers,
 or Linux computers that obviously have LibreOffice.

 tl;dr: Visit http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/consumer_form_en.html
 to report cases where you could not buy a computer without Windows,
 while you had not need for Windows.

 Simos


«If this relationship weakens, we may see a chance for LibreOffice on new
computers, or Linux computers that obviously have LibreOffice.»

'tis a consummation. Devoutly to be wished. But somehow I find it difficult
to envisage either Joaquín Almunia eller Alexander Italianer going that
far

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Competition in the EU regarding pre-installed Windows

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/22 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com

 On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/4/22 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com
 
  FFII and the AFUL (two free-software associations) have started a
  crowd-sourcing effort
  to provide information to the European Commission Competition agency
 about
  the lack of choice for the consumers when it comes to computers and
  compulsory pre-installed Windows.
 
  Original press-releases:
 
 
 http://press.ffii.org/Press%20releases/Share%20your%20operating%20system%20bundling%20tales%20with%20the%20EU
 
 
 http://aful.org/communiques/share-your-operating-system-bundling-tales-with-the-eu
 
  Here is my take to simplify the message,
  http://simos.info/blog/archives/1198
 
  How is this relevant to LibreOffice? The source of the problem is the
  bundling of Microsoft
  Windows to the new computers. The manufacturers get discounts for the
  licenses if they support
  only Windows, if they promote only Windows on their websites and ads,
 and
  so on.
  If this relationship weakens, we may see a chance for LibreOffice on
  new computers,
  or Linux computers that obviously have LibreOffice.
 
  tl;dr: Visit
 http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/consumer_form_en.html
  to report cases where you could not buy a computer without Windows,
  while you had not need for Windows.
 
  Simos
 
 
  «If this relationship weakens, we may see a chance for LibreOffice on new
  computers, or Linux computers that obviously have LibreOffice.»
 
  'tis a consummation. Devoutly to be wished. But somehow I find it
 difficult
  to envisage either Joaquín Almunia eller Alexander Italianer going that
  far
 

 I do not understand the comment.

 What we do is report to the EU the cases we know, where we were forced
 to buy a computer
 with pre-installed Windows, although we did not need Windows (either
 we use Linux
 or we already had a Windows license).

 It's up to the Competition agency of the European Commission to take
 appropriate action.
 That's their job.
 Our job, and the initiative from the FFII and AFUL, is to report cases
 to the EC Competition agency.

 Simos


Just pointing out, Simos, that I don't share what seems to be your
confidence in the ability - or for that matter, the intention - of the
Competition Agency to do what we both agree is its job

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Competition in the EU regarding pre-installed Windows

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/22 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com

 On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/4/22 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com
 
  On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   2011/4/22 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com
  
   FFII and the AFUL (two free-software associations) have started a
   crowd-sourcing effort
   to provide information to the European Commission Competition agency
  about
   the lack of choice for the consumers when it comes to computers and
   compulsory pre-installed Windows.
  
   Original press-releases:
  
  
 
 http://press.ffii.org/Press%20releases/Share%20your%20operating%20system%20bundling%20tales%20with%20the%20EU
  
  
 
 http://aful.org/communiques/share-your-operating-system-bundling-tales-with-the-eu
  
   Here is my take to simplify the message,
   http://simos.info/blog/archives/1198
  
   How is this relevant to LibreOffice? The source of the problem is the
   bundling of Microsoft
   Windows to the new computers. The manufacturers get discounts for the
   licenses if they support
   only Windows, if they promote only Windows on their websites and ads,
  and
   so on.
   If this relationship weakens, we may see a chance for LibreOffice on
   new computers,
   or Linux computers that obviously have LibreOffice.
  
   tl;dr: Visit
  http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/consumer_form_en.html
   to report cases where you could not buy a computer without Windows,
   while you had not need for Windows.
  
   Simos
  
  
   «If this relationship weakens, we may see a chance for LibreOffice on
 new
   computers, or Linux computers that obviously have LibreOffice.»
  
   'tis a consummation. Devoutly to be wished. But somehow I find it
  difficult
   to envisage either Joaquín Almunia eller Alexander Italianer going
 that
   far
  
 
  I do not understand the comment.
 
  What we do is report to the EU the cases we know, where we were forced
  to buy a computer
  with pre-installed Windows, although we did not need Windows (either
  we use Linux
  or we already had a Windows license).
 
  It's up to the Competition agency of the European Commission to take
  appropriate action.
  That's their job.
  Our job, and the initiative from the FFII and AFUL, is to report cases
  to the EC Competition agency.
 
  Simos
 
 
  Just pointing out, Simos, that I don't share what seems to be your
  confidence in the ability - or for that matter, the intention - of the
  Competition Agency to do what we both agree is its job
 

 Well, you have to substantiate this claim, otherwise it appears that
 you are trying (unintentionally) to derail this discussion.
 We know that government agencies might be slow to react, but the way
 you are phrasing your view is that the Competition agency will simply
 not examine and discard any report.

 Simos


«[D]erailing» strikes me as a bit harsh, Simos - and surely views as to the
possible success of a suggested measure are relevant to this discussion ?
Just what is that you suggest I substantiate - my lack of confidence in the
ability or intentions of the EC Competition Agency (especially now that
Neelie Kroes has been assigned other duties) ? Without personal knowledge of
the commissioner and the agency head concerned - which, presumably, you lack
as much as I - the only manner in which our differing views on the matter
can be tested is by waiting to see whether, in fact, the Competition Agency
does move to address the problem of the quasi monopoly held by Windows in
desktop OSs. I very much hope that you are right and that I am wrong, but my
experience with the EU Commission and the agencies it governs is that
pessimism is usually warranted. In any event, just so that you know where I
stand on this matter, I reproduce here a comment I published in the Reg on
20100106 :
Here in Sweden, computer users who are not unusually computer savvy have no
effective choice of operating system - in the event they haven't heard of
Mac - none of the major electronic outlets selling computers to the general
public ever mention that there are, in fact, alternatives to Windows OS.
Smaller shops devoted to a more technically literate clientèle where one can
purchase computers without an OS or have one installed according to one's
needs do indeed exist, but generally speaking, users in this country are
faced with a monopoly and are forced to pay the inevitable monopoly tax that
accompanies one. It was heartening to see the European Commission take on
Microsoft over the issue of bundling Internet Explorer with Windows OS, but
it must be admitted that by the time the agreement with Microsoft forcing
the company to make users aware that a choice of browser was indeed possible
was reached, Firefox had already broken open the bundle. I'd very much like
to see the European Commission require purveyors of computers in Europe to
inform customers that a plethora of operating

Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/21 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com

 Just got this message in my inbox.  I wonder if sending him a note about
 LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the
 bottom.

 //James

 Begin forwarded message:

  From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com
  Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00
  To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org
  Subject: [users] Licensing Details
  Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org
 
  Hi,
 
  We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity,
 which intent to supply around 500 desktops.
 
  The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to
 propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops.
 
  Request to share the details on licensing in case of any.
 
  The Following components need to imply.
 
  1.   Full version  and Perpetual use by client
  2.   Patches and Support till the product is supported by
 Openoffice.Org
 
  Looking forward to hear from you.
 
  Thanks and  Regards,
 
  Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i
 Infotech Ltd.
  Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email:
 saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com
 
 
 
  * 3i Infotech wins the WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010
 Award
 
  * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you
 Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal.
 
  This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally
 privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the
 original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message,
 please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient
 acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated
 companies,(collectively 3i Infotech), are unable to exercise control or
 ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information
 contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views
 expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding
 nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so
 expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments
 please check them for viruses and defects.


Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those
who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event.
Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no your
receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does
not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also
presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course,
with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai,
Malaysian, or UK legal practices

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/21 drew d...@baseanswers.com

 On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote:
  2011/4/21 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com
 
   Just got this message in my inbox.  I wonder if sending him a note
 about
   LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning
 at the
   bottom.
  
   //James
  
   Begin forwarded message:
  
From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com
Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00
To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org
Subject: [users] Licensing Details
Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org
   
Hi,
   
We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity,
   which intent to supply around 500 desktops.
   
The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like
 to
   propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops.
   
Request to share the details on licensing in case of any.
   
The Following components need to imply.
   
1.   Full version  and Perpetual use by client
2.   Patches and Support till the product is supported by
   Openoffice.Org
   
Looking forward to hear from you.
   
Thanks and  Regards,
   
Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i
   Infotech Ltd.
Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email:
   saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com
   
   
   
* 3i Infotech wins the WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces
 2010
   Award
   
* To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you
   Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal.
   
This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally
   privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the
   original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this
 message,
   please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient
   acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated
   companies,(collectively 3i Infotech), are unable to exercise control
 or
   ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the
 information
   contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any
 views
   expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no
 binding
   nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender
 does so
   expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any
 attachments
   please check them for viruses and defects.
  
 
  Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those
  who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event.
  Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no
 your
  receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does
  not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also
  presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of
 course,
  with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai,
  Malaysian, or UK legal practices
 
  Henri


 That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO.

 He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice.

 To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be
 tolerated.

 Sincerely,

 Drew Jensen


«It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of
opinion* that *makes horse races*.»

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Request for Libre Office on Spoon

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/19 Blake Madden bl...@spoon.net

 Hello,

 I was referred to this mailing list by Florian Effenberger of The Document
 Foundation. My name is Blake and I work for a company called Spoon, which
 offers the ability to launch desktop apps from the web with no installs.

 We recently received a request to add LibreOffice to the Spoon.net app
 library.  We'd like to partner with The Document Foundation to offer
 LibreOffice on Spoon.  In the interest of transparency and public input,
 Florian suggested I submit my request to this mailing list for discussion.

 You can see examples of Spoon powered apps at http://spoon.net/apps  . For
 free apps and trials, Spoon is a free service, and all that is needed for
 distribution is written permission.

 Feel free to shoot me an email if you have any questions.  Thanks for your
 time.

 Sincerely,

 Blake Madden
 Account Manager
 Spoon


Nothing for us Linux users ?

Henri

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Re: Live online testing of LibreOffice (WebLive) as: Re: [tdf-discuss] Request for Libre Office on Spoon

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/20 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org

 On 04/20/2011 05:13 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
  [...]
  Nothing for us Linux users ?
 
  Henri
 
 I believe this should work for any browser with Java support:

 http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive/app/lowriter

 Make sure you change the URL for the app name, and also make sure you
 specify Ubuntu or Edubuntu 11.04 from the possible choices. I haven't
 had time to test this BTW.

 Cheers,

 --
 LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca
 de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/
 ~
 Fabián Rodríguez
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab


Thanks for the link, Fabian ! I realise you haven't tested it yet, but get
the impression that it only runs Writer ? Anyone here who has tested who
might be able to say whether that impression is correct ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Feature Request: Capitalizing Letters:

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/7 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com



 On 2011-04-07 10:54, Steve Edmonds wrote:
 
  On 2011-04-07 10:02, Christoph Noack wrote:
 
  Hi Laurence!
 
  Am Donnerstag, den 07.04.2011, 07:32 +1000 schrieb Laurence Jeloudev:
 
 
  can't there be a shortcut like in microsoft office for capitalisation?
 
 
  You can define a shortcut to execute the capitalization feature. Please
  go to Tools -- Customize... and the tab Keyboard. Then select an entry
  in Shortcut keys according to your wish (Strg+F3 is already used for
  AutoText, but you may change that). Then, chose the desired feature - in
  your case it might be Category=Format, and Function=Capitalize
  Every Word (or: Rotate case).
 
  Does this help?
 
  Cheers,
  Christoph
 
 
 
  Thanks, helped me - I just had a cause to lowercase 2 letters in the
  middle of a list of uppercase words. Made it much easier with a shortcut.
 
 
 In fact it is even better to asign my own shortcut. For best efficiency
 I like to keep one hand on the mouse and one on the keyboard
 (highlight-shortcut) and hence I want one handed shortcuts. SHIFT+F is
 no good, CTRL+SHIFT+L or CTRL+SHIFT+U works for me.


When assigning, keyboard shortcuts, Ubuntu and other Linux users might want
to note that «Ctrl + Shift + u» provides access to Unicode hexadecimals

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Get and appove: recommended Soundfile pronouncing LibreOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/1 dionysien jean-francois.bour...@univ-paris8.fr

 Hi all

 We must keep in mind that languages vary enormously with respect non only
 to
 their available vowels and consonants, but also to their possible
 syllables.

 The component words of LibreOffice, though quite common international
 words,
 have already diverging pronounciations wordwide.
 We already know that in Japanese  a vowel will HAVE to be inserted between
 B
 and R, and probably also at the end, just because the syllabic pattern of
 Japanese commands it. And that is right so, even if the phonetic
 [libureofisu] differs from [librofis]

 Some will need the  of Libre, à la Spanish, others won't, à la French,
 others will pronounce a double , à la Italian, others, lacking a [o]
 vowel, will put a [u] to pronounce the ...

 No single recommendation is necessary or even usable. We must also remember
 that in the language used in this forum, the very name of vowels is mostly
 a... diphtong
 Let every language community decide for the most suitable pronunciation,
 according to their possibilities and wishes.

 That diversity just reflects the richness of word cultures. We can share a
 common LibreOffice and call it in our mother tongue.

 Cheers
 Jean-François


Agree, Jean François ; moreover, not only does the syllabic pattern of
Japanese necessitate the insertion of a vowel or vowels in consonant
clusters, but the same imperative holds true to an even greater degree in
(standard) Chinese. Thus it is inevitable that the term «LibreOffice» will
be pronounced differently from land to land, language to language, dialect
to dialect. As the same time, the concerns of posters who wonder how it can
be pronounced in their respective languages should not be ignored. Why not
post mp3 files with pronunciations by tdf developers from various countries
which could help in the construction of standards for the many languages in
which, hopefully, LibreOffice will employed. Friedrich's German-lnguage
version is a good example

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Get and appove: recommended Soundfile pronouncing LibreOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/4/1 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com

 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:26 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/4/1 dionysien jean-francois.bour...@univ-paris8.fr
 
  Hi all
 
  We must keep in mind that languages vary enormously with respect non
 only
  to
  their available vowels and consonants, but also to their possible
  syllables.
 
  The component words of LibreOffice, though quite common international
  words,
  have already diverging pronounciations wordwide.
  We already know that in Japanese  a vowel will HAVE to be inserted
 between
  B
  and R, and probably also at the end, just because the syllabic pattern
 of
  Japanese commands it. And that is right so, even if the phonetic
  [libureofisu] differs from [librofis]

 Sure, but that doesn't mean you explicitly voice those vowels.
 (and of course that doesn't mean you cannot pronounce it differently
 to what you write)
 A machine saying libreoffice mimicing the intended french/english:

 http://tts.imtranslator.net/FKTh

  Agree, Jean François ; moreover, not only does the syllabic pattern of
  Japanese necessitate the insertion of a vowel or vowels in consonant
  clusters, but the same imperative holds true to an even greater degree in
  (standard) Chinese. Thus it is inevitable that the term «LibreOffice»
 will
  be pronounced differently from land to land, language to language,
 dialect
  to dialect.

 Sure, but if people want some guidelines (or better hints on what the
 intended sounding ist), why not provide them with one? If you say
 libre as in the french word libre = free and the english office
 then people might be as smart as before, as they don't necessarily
 have a clue on how french is pronunced, etc.

 Esp. for Japanese using foreign words in japanalized pronounciation
 is nothing new..

  As the same time, the concerns of posters who wonder how it can
  be pronounced in their respective languages should not be ignored. Why
 not
  post mp3 files with pronunciations by tdf developers from various
 countries
  which could help in the construction of standards for the many languages
 in
  which, hopefully, LibreOffice will employed. Friedrich's German-lnguage
  version is a good example

 nitpickOh, it is not German language :-) it is the french/english
 version spoken by a German/nitpick


Thanks for your nitpicking, Christian ; were I to return the favour I should
point out that Friedrich's file was an example of a German-language
pronunciation of a French word followed by an English one. In any event, as
I hope I made clear in my previous posting, I feel that more of the
same (*mutatis
mutandi*, of course) would be helpful to those in doubt as to how to the
term might be pronounced in their respective languages

*Gruß*

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

[M Henri Day]

2011/3/30 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com

 On 3/29/11 10:10 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote:

  Well, 'Libre' is also spanish - but with quite different pronounciation
 ('b' approaches 'v').
 'Libre' is also italian - but then it means a book, I think.


 Book in Italian is libro.

 Anyway, I think that the English pronunciation of libre (as in FLOSS,
 free libre open source software) - although slightly different from the
 French and the Spanish pronunciation - is to be considered the reference for
 every language.


What, pray, is «the English pronunciation of libre» ? If the first vowel
is to be pronounced as «aɪ» as in, say, «live», it differs vastly from the
customary pronunciation in almost all European languages - Germanic as well
as Romance - which is much closer to «iː», and can hardly serve as «the
reference for every language»

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

[M Henri Day]

2011/3/30 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com

 I am not a native English speaker, but I think that liberty - which has
 the same root of libre - is not pronounced as laiberty. I have heard many
 native English speakers pronounce libre, and they all pronounce it the same
 way.


Italo, you may have missed the first post in this thread, but there the OP
(Samphan Raruenrom) posted a Google Translate version (
http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|LibreOffice) in which the initial vowel
is, in fact, pronounced as «aɪ». If the native English speakers you have
heard pronounce it as «i» or «iː», then I think this, unlike the Google
Translate version, could serve as the basis for an international
pronunciation, which in any event will inevitably vary from language to
language (and idiolect to idiolect)

Henri


 On 3/30/11 8:37 AM, M Henri Day wrote:

  What, pray, is «the English pronunciation of libre» ? If the first vowel
 is to be pronounced as «aɪ» as in, say, «live», it differs vastly from the
 customary pronunciation in almost all European languages - Germanic as
 well
 as Romance - which is much closer to «iː», and can hardly serve as «the
 reference for every language»


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Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

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2011/3/29 Prabath Galagamage gprab...@gmail.com

 I think Friedrich Strohmaier's comments is correct. In the native languages
 can not  write the name of LibreOffice by English letters. It is one of
 reason for lack of development of native languages. One or more official
 pronunciation suggestions are there, it is better for our local activities
 and it is helpful for make a unique name to LibreOffice around the world.


Prabath, please note that the letters in question were devised and used for
centuries before anything that could be called the English language existed
and, in different variations, are used at present to represent the sounds of
many languages other than English. The alphabet comprising these is best
known as the Latin or Roman alphabet

Henri



 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier 
 damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote:

  Hi sophie, *,
 
  sophie schrieb:
 
   On 28/03/2011 17:32, Jon Hamkins wrote:
   In the U.S., it is also unclear how to pronounce LibreOffice.  Those
   of us showing up to man the booth at SCaLE came with slightly
   different assumptions on pronunciation.  Do we need an official
   position from TDF, perhaps a localized one, or is it OK for everyone
   to say it how they want?
 
   Pronounce it as you feel it, it's the best for an open source project
   :)
 
  Sorry, I strongly disagree.
  Which I disagree is to leave people alone while asking for help.
 
  You are in the position of not having any issues pronouncing, because
  You were one of the minds choosing the name, which of course fits the
  people doing so. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
  But we should not let people beeing on their own, facing those issues
  for two reasons:
 
  - we never should leave alone anyone searching help
 
  - I'd think it's a nice thing to understand each other when we meet live
   at any place and speak of the subject of our hearts :o)).
 
  This is no proposal for a single official pronunciation written in
  stone, but rather one for an agreement for better understanding.
 
 
  Gruß/regards
  --
  Friedrich
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  LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images
 
 
 
 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

[M Henri Day]

2011/3/27 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org

 Hi,

 Am 27.03.2011 08:22, schrieb Samphan Raruenrom:

  I found this page
 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/how-do-you-pronounce-libreoffice/
  that link to Google translate to provide the (official?) pronouncement.

 I don´t think, that this is official in sense of approved by TDF
 or the TDF community.

  http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|LibreOffice

 This sounds odd to me, personally.

 The following sounds almost like the one I am used to:
 http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|LiebreOffice

  I'm quite surprised with it. I thought it is ˈlɪbə as in liberty
  orlbr as in http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vers+libre
  So actually it is ˈliːbreɪ as in
  http://es.thefreedictionary.com/libre , right?

 Yes, I would agree.

  It would be nice if someone could provide an official pronouncement
  sound file on the LibreOffice website (and phonetic, for the
  literate).

 I am not sure, if there is really a need for an official
 pronunciation. This is a free project. Every participant is free to
 pronounce it the way she/he likes. For me, there is nothing wrong
 with different pronunciation by people with different native tongue.

 IMO,

 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/how-do-you-pronounce-libreoffice/
 should be changed, in order to express that ther is no wrong or right.

 :-)

 Stefan


I'm with Stefan here ; pronunciation of the term «LibreOffice» should be
left to usage in the countries/regions concerned. I find the one suggested
(?) by Google Translate directly distasteful ; why should the great vowel
shift which occured in English from the late fifteenth century onwards be
imposed on all the countries which use variants of the Roman alphabet ?
Freedom to pronounce the term as suits us best ; isn't that an integral part
of LIBREOffice ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

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2011/3/27 sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com

 Hi Prabath,

 On 27/03/2011 19:17, Prabath Galagamage wrote:

 In the Sri Lanka and Sinhala language we have problem with correct
 pronunciation. There is no correct pronunciation, we can not write name of
 LIbreOffice by Sinhala language. Please insert correct pronunciation audio
 to TDF web site.


 there is one on the wiki done by Cedric Bosdonnat with the French
 pronunciation , but I can't find it at the moment, anybody knows where it
 is? I've added Cédric on CC, he will be able to tell us tomorrow anyway.

 Kind regards
 Sophie


Sophie, I think this is the link to which you refer : *
http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr/wordpress/?p=722* . It links to a French
pronunciation of *libre* and an English pronunciation of *office*, which
should do the trick. Cédric's wise words about minor differences in
pronunciation not constituting a problem (which product names are pronounced
identically throughout the world ?) are worth taking *ad notam* !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Euro symbol not inserted into write documents

[M Henri Day]

2011/3/25 Tinkerer j_taylo...@btinternet.com

 Hi Mark

 I am in the UK too.
 Perhaps I should have mentioned, I am using an iMac System 10.6.6
 Shift 3 = £
 Shift 4 = $
 Alt2 = €

 The € is universal now and you should not need to use things like macro's

 Tink.


On the standard 105-key Scandinavian keyboard, the symbol «€» is most easily
typed via «Alt Gr + e». Doesn't this procedure work on English-language
keyboards ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [OT] Japan Earthquake

[M Henri Day]

2011/3/12 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 To all the LibreOffice/TDF users/contributors in Japan  areas affected
 by the earthquake,

 I wish you, your families, and friends well.

 Gary


私の最も深い同情を表明させて頂きます

Henri
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Re: [tdf-discuss] hi !

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2011/3/6 csol...@gmail.com csol...@gmail.com

 Hi,what is up?
 my friend that works at chinese electronic corporation called
 VIP-SHIMAO tell me: their company is carrying out a promotion
 activity,
 there are phone,notebook,LCD TV and so on,not only all of goods are
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 from customers high praise in the worldwide,
 today i get the digital camera that ordered,their service team are so
 excelent,shiping time take less than one week,i am very satisfied with
 their goods and service.
 now i share with you the good news,i believe that you can find what
 you need or like there : www.vip-shimao.info
 i trust that you will not despair and will get surprising,wish
 shopping happily!!


Wish shopping happily to you, too - but I do hope that a post like the above
will *not* be archived for eternity and that, indeed, the poster will be
removed from this list !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Ping Florian - StartCom Certs

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/27 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Hi,

 RGB ES wrote on 2011-02-26 14.58:

  I get a certification error with konqueror, but not with firefox for
 https://www.libreoffice.org/. Same forhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/


 might be because Konqueror does not know about the StartSSL Root CA which
 we use - it should work at least in Firefox, IE, Chrome, SeaMonkey and
 Safari. :-)


 Florian


Interesting ! I checked this out in FF, Chromium, and Opera and at first
glance everything looked fine. However, that latest Opera contains a feature
that allows one to check security information with respect to a website, and
under the «Security» tab, I see the following (my translation from the
Swedish) :
*
This web site is not secure.*

The connexion to www.libreoffice.org is not secure and should not be used to
transmit sensitive information. The server attempted to activate security
functions but failed.

The above notice is followed by a so-called «certificate summary», as
follows :

Owner : *.libreoffice.org, Florian Effenberger
Issuer : StartCom Class2 Primary Intermediate Server, CA StartCom Ltd.
Expires : 2012-12-27 01.37.00 GMT

Encryption protocol : TLS v1.0 256 bit AES (1024 bit DHE_RSA/SHA)

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Ping Florian - StartCom Certs

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/27 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Hi,

 M Henri Day wrote on 2011-02-27 16.10:


  Interesting ! I checked this out in FF, Chromium, and Opera and at first
 glance everything looked fine. However, that latest Opera contains a
 feature
 that allows one to check security information with respect to a website,
 and
 under the «Security» tab, I see the following (my translation from the
 Swedish) :
 *
 This web site is not secure.*

 The connexion to www.libreoffice.org is not secure and should not be used
 to
 transmit sensitive information. The server attempted to activate security
 functions but failed.


 do you see the same message if you open https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/?

 Thanks,
 Florian


No, Florian, when I type that sequence into the address bar, I'm redirected
to «https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2F» and a
padlock symbol is shown to the left. When I click on the latter, I'm
informed both that the connexion is secure and that the website has an
«impeccable» security history - a description I much appreciated. In order
to log onto the above page, I was instructed to «[p]lease choose an
authentication method and enter your credentials to access the CMS» ; when I
then attempted to do so using my email address and my registration password
for the LibreOffice forum, I was rejected, which is, I presume, precisely as
it should be, given that I am not an LO adminstrator

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Ping Florian - StartCom Certs

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/27 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 02/27/2011 07:10 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
 ...
 
  Interesting ! I checked this out in FF, Chromium, and Opera and at first
  glance everything looked fine. However, that latest Opera contains a
 feature
  that allows one to check security information with respect to a website,
 and
  under the «Security» tab, I see the following (my translation from the
  Swedish) :
  *
  This web site is not secure.*
 
  The connexion to www.libreoffice.org is not secure and should not be
 used to
  transmit sensitive information. The server attempted to activate security
  functions but failed.
 
  The above notice is followed by a so-called «certificate summary», as
  follows :
 
  Owner : *.libreoffice.org, Florian Effenberger
  Issuer : StartCom Class2 Primary Intermediate Server, CA StartCom Ltd.
  Expires : 2012-12-27 01.37.00 GMT
 
  Encryption protocol : TLS v1.0 256 bit AES (1024 bit DHE_RSA/SHA)
 
  Henri
 

 That's OK as it is pulling the images from an http vs http:

 http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/Screenshot-12.png
 In other words, its mixed  only 'partially' secure.


Not quite sure what you mean by «pulling the images from an http vs http»
here, Gary, as the address for which the anomalous security ratings is shown
is, in fact, «https://www.libreoffice.org/», i e, a https address. In any
event, I still get the above messages for «https://www.libreoffice.org/» on
Opera


 If you try https://www.libreoffice.org/download/ that page should show
 the security lock. And if you check the security (Tools|Advanced|Page
 Security Info) you should see:
 The connection to www.libreoffice.org is secure.

 Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.01


That was indeed the case on Opera 11.01 on my 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 setup


 The issue, at this point, is with SeaMonkey (linux)  Konquer. If I try
 on SeaMonkey Windows 2.1b2 it's fine:
 http://img402.imageshack.us/f/seamonkeycertwindows1.png/

 I've posted on the SeaMonkey dev group to see I someone there can figure
 out the issue.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Solved] Re: Ping Florian - StartCom Certs

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/27 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 02/27/2011 11:52 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
  2011/2/27 NoOp snipped
 
  On 02/27/2011 07:10 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
 ...
  That's OK as it is pulling the images from an http vs http:
 
 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/Screenshot-12.png
  In other words, its mixed  only 'partially' secure.
 
 
  Not quite sure what you mean by «pulling the images from an http vs http»
  here, Gary, as the address for which the anomalous security ratings is
 shown
  is, in fact, «https://www.libreoffice.org/», i e, a https address. In
 any
  event, I still get the above messages for «https://www.libreoffice.org/»
 on
  Opera

 What that means is that the rotating images that you see on the page
 showing LO screenshots are obtained from
 http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/. That's a
 non-encrypted link  so Opera is telling you that there are unencrypted
 objects on the page  therefore isn't completely secure. In other
 browsers (Firefox for instance) you will see a 'broken lock' on that
 page to indicate that it has mixed objects (unencrypted/encrypted).


Gary, I can't access the
http://www.libreoffice.org/http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/
assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/page
; when I try I'm informed that I don't have the requisite permissions.
However, precisely as you said - which, of course, I should have noted
previously - in Firefox, when I access the
http://www.libreoffice.org/http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/resized_screenshots_avoid/page,
a note to the effect that the website has not provided any information
on the owner is displayed and in addition, under technical details, a
message to the effect that the website is partially encrypted and that
certain portions of the page were not encrypted before being sent over the
internet

Henri


 
 
  If you try https://www.libreoffice.org/download/ that page should show
  the security lock. And if you check the security (Tools|Advanced|Page
  Security Info) you should see:
  The connection to www.libreoffice.org is secure.
 
  Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.01
 
 
  That was indeed the case on Opera 11.01 on my 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10
 setup
 
 
  The issue, at this point, is with SeaMonkey (linux)  Konquer. If I try
  on SeaMonkey Windows 2.1b2 it's fine:
  http://img402.imageshack.us/f/seamonkeycertwindows1.png/
 
  I've posted on the SeaMonkey dev group to see I someone there can figure
  out the issue.

 Looks like a SeaMonkey profile issue. Just tried on a different machine
  the regular profile gets the errors. Switched to a clean 'test'
 profile and https://www.libreoffice.org/download works fine (linux). Now
 I just have to find the correct mozilla sqlite file that apparently is
 still stuck on *.documentfoundation.org and not picking up
 *.libreoffice.org.

 Apologies for for the false alarm  noise.

 
  Gary
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Unable to use SCIM to import CJK languages into LibreOffice on 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10

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2011/2/21 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 02/20/2011 07:39 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
  I recently had occasion to reinstall 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 (n b, not
 because
  of a problem in Ubuntu itself, but because I replaced Windows Vista with
  Windows 7 on the Windows side of this dual-boot machine and thereafter
  failed in my attempts to restore GRUB2) and after doing so, noticed that
 no
  matter what I tried, I was unable to get SCIM to import CJK languages
 into a
  Writer text. Same problem, of course, when using OOo ; I'm using the
 latest
  (Swedish) 3.3 version in both cases. SCIM works fine with other
 applications
  on Ubuntu, like the gedit text editor or Gmail's compose. In contrast to
 the
  situation on Ubuntu, I have no problem using the Microsoft IMEs to import
  these languages into LO or OOo texts. However, I don't want to be forced
 to
  run Windows 7 in order to write, e g, a Chinese or Japanese text in a LO
 or
  OOo document. Is it possible to get SCIM and LO to play nice with each
 other
  and in that event, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about
  doing so ?...
 
  Henri
 

 Perhaps try iBus instead?
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus


NoOp, thanks for your suggestion. Alas, I found myself unable to get IBus to
work ; for example, after installing IBus according to the instructions on
the Ubuntu Community page and adding Chinese and Japan, I didn't find «IBus
Preferences» under «System» → «Preferences», nor did «Ctrl + Space» start
IBus in, e g, LibreOffice, despite my having selected «ibus» as my keyboard
input method under «System» → «Administration» → «Language Support». So I'm
still trying to get SCIM to work. The thing that surprised me with respect
to Christian's advice above to set SCIM as my «global default» was that I
thought I had already  done so ; i e, I had edited my profile under /etc by
adding the following :
# SCIM
export XMODIFIERS='@im=SCIM'
export GTK_IM_MODULE=scim
export XIM_PROGRAM=scim -d
export QT_IM_MODULE=scim
scim -d

I had also ensured that the following lines appeared in /etc/scim/global :
/SupportedUnicodeLocales = sv_SE.utf8,en_US.UTF-8. Previously, these
measures have sufficed to make SCIM work with OOo/LO

What next ?...

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[tdf-discuss] Unable to use SCIM to import CJK languages into LibreOffice on 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10

[M Henri Day]

I recently had occasion to reinstall 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 (n b, not because
of a problem in Ubuntu itself, but because I replaced Windows Vista with
Windows 7 on the Windows side of this dual-boot machine and thereafter
failed in my attempts to restore GRUB2) and after doing so, noticed that no
matter what I tried, I was unable to get SCIM to import CJK languages into a
Writer text. Same problem, of course, when using OOo ; I'm using the latest
(Swedish) 3.3 version in both cases. SCIM works fine with other applications
on Ubuntu, like the gedit text editor or Gmail's compose. In contrast to the
situation on Ubuntu, I have no problem using the Microsoft IMEs to import
these languages into LO or OOo texts. However, I don't want to be forced to
run Windows 7 in order to write, e g, a Chinese or Japanese text in a LO or
OOo document. Is it possible to get SCIM and LO to play nice with each other
and in that event, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about
doing so ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Unable to use SCIM to import CJK languages into LibreOffice on 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/20 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com

 Hi Henri, *,

 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 4:39 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  Same problem, of course, when using OOo ; I'm using the latest
  (Swedish) 3.3 version in both cases. SCIM works fine with other
 applications
  on Ubuntu, like the gedit text editor or Gmail's compose.

 As OOo/LO doesn't support GTK's input method switching on the fly (you
 cannot choose between the different input methods by opening the
 context-menu), you need to enable scim before launching OOo/LO -
 either by setting it as your global default (i.e. default not GTK
 input method, but scim), or by setting
 GTK_IM_MODULE=scim just for OOo/LO

 Either add it to the soffice startup script, or launch it manually
 from the commandline.

 (GTK_IM_MODULE=scim soffice)

 Note that it has to be completely shut down, otherwise it will just
 reuse an existing session and not apply the change.

 ciao
 Christian


That was fast, Christian - many thanks ! I chose to launch the start up
script from the command line and it worked perfectly - the command opened
OOo (3.2) and a test showed that SCIM functioned just as it should. Well and
good ! But alas, as always seems to be the case with me, the situation is
more complicated. At the moment I have no less than two (2) versions of OOo
and one (1) version of LibreOffice installed on my machine - i e, the
Ubuntuised version of OOo that came with the 10.10 OS, *viz*,
1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1.1 and the OOo 3.3 RC (3.3.0-20) and LibreOffice 3.3
(3.3.0-19) packages which I myself installed. Writer in the former is
launched via the command «ooffice -writer %F», the two latter packages are
launched via «/opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice» and
«/opt/libreoffice/program/soffice», respectively. Not surprisingly, after
performing the command «GTK_IM_MODULE=scim soffice», SCIM now works with the
first named, but not with the latter two. My knowledge of Ubuntu hasn't
sufficed to permit me to set SCIM as my global default, which I think would
be the best solution or, failing that, to insert the «GTK_IM_MODULE=scim» in
the soffice startup scripts for both LibreOffice and OpenOffice. Can I
prevail upon you to further help me by explaining how to perform these
operations ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] No more desktop Linux systems in the German Foreign Office - The H Open Source: News and Features

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/18 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com

 On 18/02/11 06:16, Samphan Raruenrom wrote:

 They're moving back from Linux to Windows+Office! What's happening there?


 Apparently it was all to do (!) with printer and scanner
 driversmethinks there has been some MS shenanigans here...


I suspect that Herr Westerwelle has been borged

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Extensions for LibreOffice

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/12 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net

 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:46:02PM +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
  Christophe Strobbe schrieb:
 
  
  I hope they are, but[...]
 
  Hi,
 
  I see several problems:
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33265

 Has anyone gotten an untrusted site warning for this link? FF says the
 certificate has expired.

 --
 Bob Holtzman
 Key ID: 8D549279
 If you think you're getting free lunch,
  check the price of the beer


Bob, when I checked the link in FF 3.6.15pre on 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10, I saw
the following : «(Felkod: sec_error_unknown_issuer)». I get the same type of
warning in Chromium (11.0.669.0 (74721)). Agree that someone from tdf should
check this out !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/9 Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com

 Le 09/02/11 09:38, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :

 Hi Jonathan,

  I have the perfect magazine that might be willing to put LO as part of
  their CD on their magazine. it is linuxformat.co.uk is their website :)
 

 I thought (and I may be completely wrong here) they'd already done a
 review when 3.3.0 final was released, and kind of said something akin to
 Yes, hmm, good, but not good enough


 Alex


Did a search for LibreOffice on the *Linux Format* website, but with no
results

Henri

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/4 Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com


 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote in message
 news:AANLkTimLyyZmZzWk=92TYCnfm=oahfko12zp38ak0...@mail.gmail.com...


...


   *祝
 
  新春快乐 ！
 
  *Henri (*戴安理*)
 
 whoat are you talking about?:-)


 I regret having offended your sensibilities, Pier Andreit ; I simply took
 my
 cue from Drew. Hope that you have not suffered permanent damage from being
 confronted with a script you do not understand !...

 Henri (戴安理)

  Henri,

 Google translator  translates your 戴安理 as Diane Li. Why, please? I have
 *no* Chinese of any description (Mandarin, Cantonese, ...) whatsoever so, if
 it's a pun or similar, please explain.

 Oh, and to James Wilde, thank you very much for Google translator;
 wonderful!

 --
 Harold Fuchs
 London, England


Harold,as I explained in another posting on this somewhat confused thread,
«戴安理» is just my name in Chinese script. Alas, I seem to have contributed to
a large degree to the confusion ! But it's been fun !...

Henri

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/4 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 02/04/2011 12:18 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
  2011/2/4 Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com
 ...
  Google translator  translates your 戴安理 as Diane Li. Why, please? I
 have
  *no* Chinese of any description (Mandarin, Cantonese, ...) whatsoever
 so, if
  it's a pun or similar, please explain.
 
  Oh, and to James Wilde, thank you very much for Google translator;
  wonderful!
 
  --
  Harold Fuchs
  London, England
 
 
  Harold,as I explained in another posting on this somewhat confused
 thread,
  «戴安理» is just my name in Chinese script.
 ... Henri, you left out the 'M'.


NoOp, so can it go : Chinese names tend to be short and lapidary, like the
classical language

Henri

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com

 The year of the Rabbit is upon us,

 So
go do what rabbit's do!

 Which is .
tell all their friends about LibreOffice!

 长寿

 Drew


*祝

新春快乐 ！

*Henri (*戴安理*)

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/3 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it

 Il 03/02/2011 16:10, M Henri Day ha scritto:
  2011/2/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com
 
  The year of the Rabbit is upon us,
 
  So
 go do what rabbit's do!
 
  Which is .
 tell all their friends about LibreOffice!
 
  长寿
 
  Drew
 
 
  *祝
 
  新春快乐 ！
 
  *Henri (*戴安理*)
 
 whoat are you talking about?:-)


I regret having offended your sensibilities, Pier Andreit ; I simply took my
cue from Drew. Hope that you have not suffered permanent damage from being
confronted with a script you do not understand !...

Henri (戴安理)

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財

[M Henri Day]

2011/2/3 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it

snip


 
 :-))) 'ntepreoccupa' nun s'offennemo, e mica c'ho o so si mo
 http://translate.google.com/# te po da 'na mano :-


L'unica cosa che mi preoccupo è che non so identificare il dialetto

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice docs for Ubuntu

[M Henri Day]

2011/1/30 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org

 Hi

 I've consolidated the notes I had about LibreOffice and Ubuntu at:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice

 I've shared it with the Ubuntu community on identi.ca and I hope it will
 provide an easy resource to refer to.

 Any comments / suggestions are welcome - direct edits to the wiki are
 *most* welcome :)

 Cheers,

 Fabian

 --
 Fabián Rodríguez
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab


Very useful, Fabian ! Thanks very much !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO - was New name

[M Henri Day]

2010/10/5 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com


 On Oct 5, 2010, at 13:53 , Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis wrote:

  I don't like the name LibreOffice but the I like acronym LibO.

 I'm neutral about LibreOffice, but I agree about LibO.  And I can
 guarantee that it will go over big here in Sweden.  We have all kinds of
 xxxO here, for example:

 JO  justice ombudsman (an ombudsman is the citizens' representative
 in government)
 DO  discrimination ombudsman
 JämOequality of the sexes ombudsman
 HomOequality of sexual orientation ombudsman

 and now

 LibOlibertarian ombudsman?

 Sorry, couldn't resist it.  :)

 //James


A rose by any other name - but if we get a Swedish language pack, it should
indeed become popular

Henri

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