Further complicating things our workplace are our titles, such as
"interacTIVE designers"--the ones who do the visual interface
design--and "interacTION designers", who do more of the IA work,
testing, etc.
Ah, the need for buckets to put people into...
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hi,
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 13:25 +, james horgan wrote:
> actually i wanted to add something to what i was writing as this
> reminds me of the same problem i used to have as an industrial
> designer. Whether to call myself an industrial or a product designer.
I solved my design education in Ge
There certainly is a lot of crossover between this thread and the one
on 'What to teach interaction design students' - and the heart of both
topics seems to center around language and understanding. First,
needing to have a clearly articulated definition of the discipline and
it's relatio
On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Russell Wilson wrote:
Jack - do you have any examples of the project you mention? I'd be
very interested in seeing them.
I don't have any examples from Chris' class, as he first conceived
that project the year after I had taken the class. I wish I did.
Howeve
I agree with Will's argument that "interaction design", whatever
the final definition eventually comes out to be, can be more than
what we think of as a "standard" interface. In his description, I
did not see a civil engineer any more than I see in the description
of an interface/interaction design
Jack,
I don't think you shirk away from your education. Just because I
have never seen or studied germs doesn't mean I should stop washing
my hands.
Yes, in some cases a disconnect exists between academic research and
general practice, probably in all fields, and probably especially in
one where
actually i wanted to add something to what i was writing as this
reminds me of the same problem i used to have as an industrial
designer. Whether to call myself an industrial or a product designer.
The actual difference is that industrial may have more engineering
involvement, while the product des
Hi Tashin,
can of worms you opened there!
i would say it started with graphic design, then became interface
design as people got a better understanding of the UI process, then
became interaction design as people understood the business value of
a UI designer on board and the range of functions the
Hi everyone,
I conceive interface design as a combination of visual design (if it is a
visual interface), interaction design, and information design (or IA) and
some other skills. Although they are deeply intertwingled, and some people
might disagree, I see visual design as the part of UI design t
On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:35 AM, David Malouf wrote:
Hi Jack,
And how many practitioners have taken Daniel Boyarski's course? How
has that course been made manifest in the great part of practice?
I think it is one thing to say that there is a theory put out there
like Jonas' Pliability, but quite
Hi Jack,
And how many practitioners have taken Daniel Boyarski's course? How
has that course been made manifest in the great part of practice?
I think it is one thing to say that there is a theory put out there
like Jonas' Pliability, but quite another to say that that same
theory has reached the
Aaah. Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I was reading some psychology recently
and it turns out that there is no hierarchy - that is, you don't need to
satisfy the lower levels in order to satisfy the higher levels. I just wish
I could remember the book I was reading that cited this! (although Wikipedia
Hi Andy,
> I'm saying this, by the way, as someone writing their PhD on interactivity
> and trying to find and build definitions in it. Sigh. I don't particularly
> agree that someone needs a goal to drive the interaction, not an explicit
> one at least. A lot of what I've written about and done i
People [with goal] <--> interaction <--> interface [of object's
function/features].
I was about to say that the problem with trying to find a single
definition is that it will necessarily have too many clear boundaries.
Really it's a continuum, and I think Jarod's example there is pretty
The definition of IxD I currently favor is:
A design approach that seeks to harmonize the behaviors of products,
environments, and systems with the behaviors of target users, in order to
produce optimal outcomes.
As in previous definitions I've proposed, form is a means of manifesting,
supporting
Dave, I find it interesting that you believe we don't have an
understanding of these. While working on my masters degree at CMU, I
took Dan Boyarski's course titled "Time, Motion, and Communication".
The aesthetics of motion and time have been an integrated part of my
training. There are ma
Well, somebody has to be unpopular...
I don't think there is a difference really, in that Interaction
Design IMHO is not long for this world as a stand-alone discipline.
There are many, many kinds of designers, from architects to interface
designers to interior designers. Any field of design ne
1. Different guys have different explanation on interaction/interface
design, some guys interface design may include interaction design.
2. But, from more than less literature, we can come up with a model
(simplified) like
People [with goal] <--> interaction <--> interface [of object's
function/
I suspect that this is also what happened to plain old "usability". It got
applied to everything and as such has lost most of its meaning. I'm with
Andrei here - we need a decent defination or else interaction design risks
being a lost term. On ther other hand, I think "User Experiance Design" was
On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:14 PM, William Brall wrote:
So where in this melange of different systems is the interaction
design? It is everywhere. Because road planning and signage theory,
and all of this are also a form of interaction design.
I am often accused of pushing my own experiences onto pu
I think I really started wondering about the question because there
are many approaches to software development that incorporate the
strategies the Interaction Design discussions here have taken.
I think in researching this question, the real answer comes from the
approach you take to (in my case)
s have been gathered.
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To be honest, there may or may not be any difference at
Will, that's a very expansive definition. I'm afraid if you go
there, you just end up on that slippery slop that everything is
design. And if you zoom out far enough, yup you end up there. All the
points are human interaction points. Every symbol & bit of white space
in a graphic is a moment to int
Saying that things not traditionally thought of as interactive are
certainly not, is dangerous. True, people rarely design the
interaction a band has with the audience, but it is becoming more
common.
One can argue that this is interaction design as well.
As I have said in the past, locking ourse
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:
Not sure I understand the question.
You stated that interface design without the underlying interaction
is graphic design. I'm curious what you would then call interface
design with the
I have to disagree with others here. An interface designer could
design an interface for a non-visual product, but the general role of
interface design is of the interface, and how it functions, and not
the whole of the product, and how it acts.
And interface designer would design how the telephon
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:
Not sure I understand the question.
You stated that interface design without the underlying interaction is
graphic design. I'm curious what you would then call interface design
with the underlying visual design. Would you call that interaction
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
On Oct 20, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:
As to why I think interface design is a subset of interaction
design, it is because interface design without the underlying
interaction is graphic design. You can, however, have interactio
So then I have to ask: what is interface design without the
underlying visuals or graphic design?
Ask a blind person using screen reader. Interface is more than visual
surely?
Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxD
Best post in this thread, if you ask me :)
...But it seems we never get tired of it, somehow.
Sebi
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Jeff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tahsin,
>
> We discuss this question every now and then without resolving it.
> Here's the most recent attempt:
>
> Di
On Oct 20, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:
As to why I think interface design is a subset of interaction
design, it is because interface design without the underlying
interaction is graphic design. You can, however, have interaction
design without any interface at all, although it is un
Dan - I nearly said the same about it being a subset, but I'm not sure
it's true (which is why I like your Venn diagram).
I'll be interested to see what you have to say in Designing Gestural
Interfaces because its there that you start to get interaction without
an interface, at least not on
Hi Tahsin,
We discuss this question every now and then without resolving it.
Here's the most recent attempt:
Difference between user interface and interaction design?
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=25077
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Interface design is the physical manifestation of the interaction
design. They are typically intertwined.
As to why I think interface design is a subset of interaction design,
it is because interface design without the underlying interaction is
graphic design. You can, however, have interac
I think Andrei has a point. The real, and useless, answer here is: "It
depends on who you are talking to."
Graphic Information Design is one of the precursors to what we now
know as interface design and interaction design and user experience
design. But GID didn't always include interaction
Hello Andrei, one remark.
I have being working with interface design for a while (8 years). I
understand your point but I like the perspective the label gives. I am
not focussed on the interface, but on the interaction. Talking about
screen-based interface this can sounds fuzzy. When you ar
I don't think I was being revisionist. I do think that new
complexities outside of screen/mouse/keyboard have meant that
learnings from traditional UI Design (in your world) have been
married with other disciplines and have congealed towards the
creation of a new creole discipline of sorts. I don'
This all sounds like revisionism to me.
As someone who's been practicing interface design for nearly 20 years,
I can tell you there's never been a time where what you folks describe
as "interaction" was never a part of interface design as I practiced
it. I understand I'm probably in the min
David is completely right, however, it seems valuable to draw a line
somewhere.
Interface Design was and is the practice of designing the way someone
interacts with a product, traditionally on a screen by screen basis.
Interaction Design grew out of Interface Design, as those who
practiced it rea
To be honest, there may or may not be any difference at all at the
level of practice. One term has gained more traction as it has moved
away from GUI software design where UI has been prevelant and has
been encompassing systems design and hardware interface design as
well as service design. In many
Hi Tahsin,
I think that's a great question, and one I've been wondering about myself
(at least how they're defined in the web world).
I've always felt that while both terms could describe a designer who defines
how users interact, or use, an application or web page, an *interface *designer
would
Hi all, I'm new to this discussion group and have been a systems
developer/web developer for quite a while. I only recently heard the term
"Interaction Design" used to refer to those doing interface design.
So, my question immediately was. what's the difference?
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