The idea I'd brought up at our IxDA Board meeting was to begin an IxD
Timeline that specifically wouldn't lead to the type of arguments our
community has traditionally wallowed in.
The idea was to create a very open project, where individuals could
add elements to the timeline representing a wide
On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
On Feb 18, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Christopher Fahey wrote:
The difference you describe exists today, but it didn't exist ten
or twenty years ago. We can hardly blame folks in the 1980's and
earlier for blurring engineering and user experience
This is a great discussion.
Can anybody suggest a way of adding the individuals, teams and concepts
discussed here to a list of some sort that can be navigated, edited and
visualized?
Timo Arnall, Anne Galloway et al have created
http://www.nearfield.org/retouch/ for exploring touch-related
On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Christian Crumlish wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Peter Merholz
pete...@peterme.com wrote:
If you're going to include Tim Berners-Lee, I think you need to
also include
Marc Andreessen, as his innovation of bringing imagery into WWW was
fundamental
Ok, if we really need, I agree with the fact that we should consider a
wider spectrum. So, I would like to mention to...
... Enric Bernat, creatorof the Chupa Chups lollipop.
... King Camp Gillette, inventor of the safety razor.
... Emilio Bellvis, re-inventor of the mop.
Ferran
. . . . . . .
For completeness, adding Ted Nelson to the list of greats.
(Named hypertext, and his motto is A user interface should be so
simple that a beginner in an emergency can understand it within ten
seconds.)
Dan
Welcome to the
To be fair, this didn't read as a statement for shoehorning
author/ities based on categories,
but there is a decent question to be raised about the number of women
(etc) being seen as IxD Greats,
whether it's presentation, representative imbalance, industry culture
and history, oversight and
Dan's and Christopher's lists are the best, though I wonder what the
following people have designed that warrants inclusion:
| - Hugh Dubberly
- Jaron Lanier
- Ted Nelson
- Terry Winograd
- Herbert Simon
- Claude Shannon
- Marvin Minsky
If you're going to include Tim Berners-Lee, I think
So maybe a different way to consider this topic:
What products, design ideas, or other innovations have been created in
the field that have lasted the test of time or made a significant
impact, and who was responsible for them? Then you'd get a more
practical list and provide create where
The victor writes the history.
Did the wright brothers invent the airplane or the montgomery?
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:58 AM, dave malouf dave@gmail.com wrote:
Why do I say this. I might have invented in the past the most
amazing interactive systems. BUT did they really practice interaction
design
clearly not, not having had studio training they weren't doing design
at all, right?
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Peter Merholz pete...@peterme.com wrote:
If you're going to include Tim Berners-Lee, I think you need to also include
Marc Andreessen, as his innovation of bringing imagery into WWW was
fundamental in making it of broad interest.
I thought the earliest
Andrei,
I agree that the artifacts are as important to acknowledge as the
individuals who created them. I like the timeline approach for that
reason. It's a way to aggregate the artifacts; such as applications,
components, and publications - and the people that created them in a
format that
Is lynx better than links? I've been using links for phase1 and the
only draw back so far is not being able to open gmail in it. Terminal
commands seem to have a more intuitive progression than a lot of
interfaces. Unix international?
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On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:16 PM,
I really don't see the point to all this for us in this community. A
timeline of the greatest interactive inventions of all time seems
really pointless as a means of expressing the history of the
discipline of interaction design.
Despite Christian's snide comment, what I was referring to was
On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:46 PM, dave malouf wrote:
It might even be worthwhile to create a set of criteria that makes
something a great interaction design as opposed to us just randomly
using our gut to express these notions.
This seems appropriate. I would presume that before you can ask
Hi Andrei,
I'm not sure why you went that way. I totally agree that its in the
artifact (the DESIGN) that we need to look at the designer and not
the thinking. In fact, I don't think that I was even suggesting
looking at the designer at all, nor their thinking.
I thought I was suggesting 2
Inventions that employed reification, polymorphism and reuse should be
allowed into the ixd fame domain. That would include the origins of machine
uses of transportation communication.
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk
aherasimc...@involutionstudios.com wrote:
On Feb 17, 2009, at 5:09 PM, dave malouf wrote:
But in general, your list is my list.
If you're going to use software technology examples, considering we are
still in
That metatools guy that did kai's power goo. Those interfaces were amazing
on mac os 7.5.3
3D has come along way since ray dream designer and specualr indiniD. I think
3DS max has the 'best' ux going on these days even though it is PC only.
I agree, the clone wars were minimal when bryce and
Angel,
After Andrei's post I thought of Kai's Power Tools as well. Kai Krause was
the guy's name. Along with Phil Clemenger a little later on.
Steve
2009/2/18 Angel Marquez angel.marq...@gmail.com
That metatools guy that did kai's power goo. Those interfaces were amazing
on mac os 7.5.3
Correction: Phil Clevenger was the other guy's name.
2009/2/18 Steve Baty steveb...@gmail.com
Angel,
After Andrei's post I thought of Kai's Power Tools as well. Kai Krause was
the guy's name. Along with Phil Clemenger a little later on.
Steve
2009/2/18 Angel Marquez
Hey Steve,
Yea, I just looked him up. I have pleasant memories of the people the time
and how that was all introduced to me. I started my professional career
path' on mac 7.5.3, illustrator 7 photoshop 4.
It has been interesting to see how things have synthesized over the years.
On Wed, Feb 18,
Kai Krause http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai_Krause
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Do we really need a 'hall of fame'?
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I don't think anybody knows who any of the below mentioned men are,
East of the Sacramento River.
Physical architecture has been around and celebrated as a celebrity-
worship-worthy vocation, for thousands of years. *Everybody* in a
given region also sees buildings, whereas not everybody
myles
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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] IxD Greats?
Many of the great architects industrial designers are known to the general
public. To name a few (in no particular order): Walter Gropius, Frank Lloyd
Wright, Antoni Gaudí, Frank Gehry, Raymond Loewy, Henry
You may not think of Linus Torvalds as an interaction designer, but he
is sort of a rock star in the software and open source community.
And if you think of Linux as a product for scientists, engineers, sys
admins, and programmers, he really has made it user friendly by
sticking to interfaces
I would say it's most important to not think about people based on
whether their profession was IxD or not - given that the term and
title have only been around for less than a decade, yet people have
been 'doing' just that for a bit longer. Leonardo Di Vinci was
certainly not an
Discuss] IxD Greats?
On Feb 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:
I humbly submit (in order of appearance):
Vannevar Bush
Ivan Sutherland
Doug Engelbart
Bob Taylor
Alan Kay
Larry Tesler
Tim Mott
Mitch Kapor
Jef Raskin
Bill Atkinson
Shigeru Miyamoto
Marc Andreessen
Jeff Hawkins
On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Ferran Alvarez wrote:
Do we already need a 'hall of fame'?
Do we really need a 'hall of fame'?
Yes and yes.
We should recognize and understand the history of our field and
celebrate those who created the interaction design paradigms like cut
and paste that
On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
If you're going to use software technology examples, considering we
are still in early stages of that tech, we should acknowledge that
most of the great interaction designers up until now haven't been
designers at all. They've been
This is an interesting exercise. I think that moving forward we should
actually look at those people who have either moved their conscious
understanding of what they do to interaction design, or who currently
understand what they do as interaction design.
Why do I say this. I might have invented
BTW- I haven't seen Joy Mountford or any other women mentioned... and
I know there were a couple of other ladies in the 'ol-skool PARC and
Apple UI teams.
We've got lots of men and Americans, women? Intl?
n
On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Dan Saffer wrote:
On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:39 AM,
On Feb 18, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Nina Eleanor Alter wrote:
BTW- I haven't seen Joy Mountford or any other women mentioned...
and I know there were a couple of other ladies in the 'ol-skool PARC
and Apple UI teams.
We've got lots of men and Americans, women? Intl?
When I made my list, this
or Muriel Cooper.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Nina Eleanor Alter
ninav...@bigwheel.netwrote:
BTW- I haven't seen Joy Mountford or any other women mentioned... and I
know there were a couple of other ladies in the 'ol-skool PARC and Apple UI
teams.
We've got lots of men and Americans,
On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:58 AM, dave malouf wrote:
... many of the engineers that were
mentioned, I doubt they do and I would suggest that we do need to
understand the difference between engineering interactive systems and
designing interactions.
I recently read Mitch Kapor's Software Design
On Feb 18, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Christopher Fahey wrote:
Twenty-five years ago, the ideas of interaction design and
software engineering had not yet become distinct -- much in the
same way that, say, in the year 1660 physics, chemistry, alchemy,
religion, and philosophy had not yet separated
On Feb 18, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Christopher Fahey wrote:
The difference you describe exists today, but it didn't exist ten or
twenty years ago. We can hardly blame folks in the 1980's and
earlier for blurring engineering and user experience design, as they
were doing both. Thomas Edison
I agree with you Chris and Dan, whole-heartily.
I was trying to bring structure and purpose to the exercise, b/c it
seemed to me that almost anyone from Dyson to Ford who thought about
any aspect of human needs and motivations in their designs (of
success) could be put in this category of IxD
Again - I think the importance here is 'intentionality' - Galileo
could not possibly think of himself or his work as interaction design
but if I ripped open my time machine and presented Englebart with IxD
as I understand it, he would jump on board, until he jumped off it
again because his
Lot's of wonderful discussion!
To the IxDA's mission points of Evangelism and Education, should we
work to create a Hall of Fame site touting the accomplishments of
innovators in computer interaction design?
We can learn from our history, and demonstrating the progressive
advancement of the
On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:02 AM, mike myles wrote:
To the IxDA's mission points of Evangelism and Education, should we
work to create a Hall of Fame site touting the accomplishments of
innovators in computer interaction design?
Two things:
1. Hall of Fame is an awful way to think of it. The
Something I keep thinking about seeing all of these individual names
is that as opposed to e.g., paintings that are easier to think of as
being created by one person, so much of the work done by the names on
these lists were really team/group efforts.
Aren't we continuing to sell one of the the
Hi folks,
I'm enjoying this thread very much, albeit dismayed at the lack of
cited women too. (Anybody see Maren Costa's work at Amazon at DUX
2005?)
Anyways, I wanted to let folks know that the IxDA Board is playing
around with the idea of creating an IxD timeline that would allow
IxDA members
Liz,
The timeline concept sounds like a great one.
It strikes me that people (teams individuals), projects, products
and publications all work in concert to show the evolution of
interaction design. A timeline could be an effective way to tie all
those items together and enhance understanding
That is like me saying their should be more mexican people on the list. I
wouldn't say that.
Which brings me this mental model book I am reading where the author is a
woman. All of her second person references are 'she'. After reading enough
to draw a conclusion I'm not sure me and 'her' are
Many of the great architects industrial designers are known to the
general public. To name a few (in no particular order): Walter
Gropius, Frank Lloyd Wright, Antoni Gaudí, Frank Gehry, Raymond
Loewy, Henry Dreyfuss, Charles and Ray Eames...
Who do we feel are the greats of IxD?
And to
Hey Mike,
All the guys (and one gal) you mention were doing their thing 50 -
100 years ago. Maybe software/IxD just needs a bit more time to
mature?
Suze.
Twitter: @suzeingram
Blog: http://suzeingram.blogspot.com/
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Possible exceptions you missed:
- Steve Jobs
- Jeff Bezos
- Sergei Brin
- Larry page
As with the architects you list, these people are known as the figureheads
of the products they bring to market. They do not necessarily do the design
engingeering (or at least ALL of the design engineering).
Two names that have greatly influenced my interaction work: Jakob Nielsen
Edward Tufte. They focus on very specific aspects of it (usability and
visual information presentation), and I don't always agree with everything
they advocate -- but what I have learned from them has greatly shaped my
The Woz is going to be on the next season of Dancing with the
Stars...does that count? :-)
Joel
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Weston Thompson westo...@gmail.com wrote:
Possible exceptions you missed:
- Steve Jobs
- Jeff Bezos
- Sergei Brin
- Larry page
Tog . . . he's old (sorry Tog). I was just a teen when I heard him give a
presentation. A designer's designer. = : ^ )
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Weston Thompson westo...@gmail.com
wrote:
Possible exceptions you missed:
- Steve Jobs
- Jeff Bezos
- Sergei Brin
- Larry page
- Jeff Bezos
When his team was attempting to create the One-Click checkout, the first
version included a confirmation page. Bezos, insisting it be a single-click
process, reportedly said something like, But that's twice as many clicks!
If that was the only interaction design Bezos ever did,
Other possibilities: Jony Ive (the iPhone design may match Coke bottles, if
not Falling Water ;-), Peter Morville, and Jesse James Garrett.
Name something that JJG and Morville designed that makes them IxD greats.
I'm not being antagonistic—I'm genuinely curious. I have no idea what
designs
It's pretty sad that almost none of the people thus far mentioned in
this thread are actually interaction designers.
I humbly submit (in order of appearance):
Vannevar Bush
Ivan Sutherland
Doug Engelbart
Bob Taylor
Alan Kay
Larry Tesler
Tim Mott
Mitch Kapor
Jef Raskin
Bill Atkinson
Shigeru
Bill Moggridge's book, Designing
Interactionshttp://www.amazon.com/Designing-Interactions-Bill-Moggridge/dp/0262134748,
takes this explicit approach--interviewing folks who've had a big impact on
the field.
It's a pretty fun/interesting read, and there's a DVD w/ interviews, too.
--Ambrose
Good question. I thought of influence before design, my mistake. I can't
think of anything.
Reading Dan's list, I'm infinitely embarrassed to have forgotten Miyamoto,
whose work I've loved for lo these many years ;-)
--
The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The next best time is
I thought Tog was a good choice from earlier, Dan and not on your
list. His work at Apple is pretty, neat!
But in general, your list is my list.
I have one other addition which I don't think you left off on
purpose, but that is Bill Verplank. Ok, another addition Gillian
Crampton Smith. Ok,
It is somewhat like naming contemporary artists. If you aren't an
artist, you likely can only name famous artists from 50-100 years
ago. Maybe the 70s... But artists working right now? Not so much.
Some of our fathers are pretty famous. And there have been a few
books on IxD that broke out of the
Ah, yeah - forgot about Verplank
~ will
Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems
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On Feb 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:
I humbly submit (in order of appearance):
Vannevar Bush
Ivan Sutherland
Doug Engelbart
Bob Taylor
Alan Kay
Larry Tesler
Tim Mott
Mitch Kapor
Jef Raskin
Bill Atkinson
Shigeru Miyamoto
Marc Andreessen
Jeff Hawkins
Will Wright
My criteria was a lasting
The work we do has a very short lifespan. What could be the IxD
equivalent of falling water? It is a historic landmark—a monument to
be preserved for the ages. Our work gets replaced on a regular cycle.
It isn't treasured (yet) as an important part of our society's
history. Part of that
On Feb 17, 2009, at 5:09 PM, dave malouf wrote:
But in general, your list is my list.
If you're going to use software technology examples, considering we
are still in early stages of that tech, we should acknowledge that
most of the great interaction designers up until now haven't been
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