goxboxlive;334823 Wrote:
So it has a IR-emitter. Maybe in the future we will be able to control
other HiFi equipment, such as amplifiers and cd players.
No reason it can't, the IR emitter works just fine. In fact there is a
test applet to use the emitter to control an older SB player.
In
Hi.
Inside the duet in front of he battery there is a slot. It looks like
it is a slot for a SD memory card. Why is it there? Is it a memory SD
slot? Why do we need it for?
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It's a SD memory card slot, indeed.
I think I've read somewhere that it was mainly used during the beta
testing for dumping logs of the controller.
For now, the only use you can make of it is for flashing the
controller's programmable memory (think firmware upgrade).
But, like the still unused
goxboxlive;334793 Wrote:
Hi.
Inside the duet in front of he battery there is a slot. It looks like
it is a slot for a SD memory card. Why is it there? Is it a memory SD
slot? Why do we need it for?
My brother is a tech journalist and when he interviewed one of the top
Logitech executives in
sebp wrote:
It's a SD memory card slot, indeed.
But, like the still unused IR-emitter and headphone socket, lots of
things could happen with this ...
The Controller software is open source, a smart programmer could invent
something cool.
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Ok i c. Thanks for answer.
So it has a IR-emitter. Maybe in the future we will be able to control
other HiFi equipment, such as amplifiers and cd players.
I really enjoy the squeezebox, but is there any way i can make it have
static signal on the digital out?
I like to control my volume via
Pokersut;334811 Wrote:
There is software somewhere on the net that will activate the
mini-jack - the reason it has not been oficially implemented is that
the sound quality is not up to standards.
SqueezePlay, the software which runs on the SBC, is going to get audio
playback. Take a look
Both the SB3 and the SBR are limited to 48 kHz due to the limitation in
computing power of its CPU, even though the DACs are capable of it.
The Transporter's CPU is clocked higher and does not have this
limitation, it can play 24/96 and a beta firmware can play 24/88.2.
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Hi,
From a table somewhere on the site, we can see the following :
- SB3 - Burr-Brown PCM1748 which is a 24-bit 96 KHz (max) converter
- SBR - Wolfson WM8501 which is a 24-bit 192 KHz (max) converter
Now, at 44.1 KHz (CD type sampling), we get from the Datasheets :
Dynamic Range :
- PCM1748 -
Somewhere in this thread it is written that the DAC in receiver handles
high-rez. Is it the not possible to use digital out from the receiver
to deliver the signal to an extern DAC which is compatible with
24bit/96KHz, and thus be able to play high-rez with this setup
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rsilvers;282805 Wrote:
In any case, please enable the headphone jack! Someone posted over 10
pages ago this would not be useful as the remote was larger than most
portable music players. I don't see what that has to do with anything
since it only works at home anyway and you will not be
I have two Duets now as a few hours after trying the first one I ordered
another. I love how the controller wakes up just by moving it plus all
the expected features.
It took me a few hours to get it set up because at first I had the
receiver wired into Ethernet and did not know to select
Lot's of folks up-in-arms about the Controller... This post from Mike
is the first one to mention ALL the capabilities.
In fact, the slimdevices web site does NOT have any information about
the Controller having the Wolfson DAC. With the DAC, the Controller
now goes way beyond a controller.
gcrashpdx;260780 Wrote:
It would be wise to either correct Mike's post, or correct this
significant omission of the technical specs on the web site.
Gary
No, it would be very -unwise-. The DAC wont be used when the controller
goes on sale, it will be inactive. It probably will be used in
Possibly too late. Irish Times report on CES 18-Jan-2008
It's a market such as this that the new Squeezebox Duet from Logitech
is designed to address. You can even plug your headphones into its
wireless controller.
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On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:16 PM, bpa wrote:
Possibly too late. Irish Times report on CES 18-Jan-2008
It's a market such as this that the new Squeezebox Duet from Logitech
is designed to address. You can even plug your headphones into its
wireless controller.
It's true, you can plug headphones
One thing I've been wondering about (apologies if it's been covered
elsewhere) is how do you enter a wireless key for the SBR?
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dean, you missed a good job here, sounds like you would have been
qualified:-)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7198512.stm
dean blackketter;260844 Wrote:
On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:16 PM, bpa wrote:
Possibly too late. Irish Times report on CES 18-Jan-2008
It's a market such as this
On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:20 PM, smc2911 wrote:
One thing I've been wondering about (apologies if it's been covered
elsewhere) is how do you enter a wireless key for the SBR?
When the Receiver comes out of the box it's waiting to be set up.
First, you set up the Controller to connect to the
Thanks. I suspect I'll be trying it myself very soon...
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A video from CES http://www.youtube.com/v/BndSBIM3ZHc on the duet and
the other new Logitech gadgets.
Frank
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My current Slimserver 6.5.4 and SB3 can show Traditional Chinese
chracters without any problem (Windowns XP Traditional Chinese
Version), can duet controller show Traditional Chinese chracters
without any issue?
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:09 PM, theta wrote:
My current Slimserver 6.5.4 and SB3 can show Traditional Chinese
chracters without any problem (Windowns XP Traditional Chinese
Version), can duet controller show Traditional Chinese chracters
without any issue?
The initial release of the software
bklaas;257049 Wrote:
I've yet to ever get my grubby hands on one, but check out the PepperPad
http://pepperpad.com . Does everything (in theory) that the Nokia does,
on an x86 platform, similar form factor, PLUS it's got IR. Same screen
size as the Nokia, so the Nokia770 skin should give
dean blackketter;256445 Wrote:
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:41 AM, 4mula1 wrote:
It seems Logitech might've been very close to indeed making a
portable
Squeezebox. From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look
like
it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging
PaulR;256702 Wrote:
What connectivity is included on the cradle? For example, is there a
line-out socket?
Thanks.
Unless the cradle is different to the Hardware Beta (which i don't
think it is) the cradle is purely for charging.
Speaker docks etc. are all possible in the future, but that
tyler_durden;255347 Wrote:
As for use as a portable player... hmmm. Maybe for use around the
house, but certainly not for outside. I can see an application for it
as a stand-alone internet radio receiver, but don't expect the battery
to last more than a couple hours as long as the wi-fi
Balthazar_B;256963 Wrote:
Maybe some enterprising soul will come up with a solution that takes the
juice from a tiny solar panel and feeds it to the receiver when
outdoors...
Hmmm...Freeplay...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what
In the Logitech booth at CES, the Duet setup I saw was connected to a
home theater system, yet the Controller couldn't even switch the A/V
receiver to the correct input. (The Controller cannot control devices
other than Receiver/Squeezebox/Transporter, despite having an IR
output.)
It seems odd
bklaas;257017 Wrote:
Not exactly true.
I've been controlling my amp via the Controller and Felix's fantastic
IRBlaster plugin for months now. Works great.
My amp remote has been in a drawer since November, and haven't needed
it once.
#!/ben
Presumably you were using the Controller
TiredLegs;257026 Wrote:
Presumably you were using the Controller with an SB3. In the Duet system
on display at CES, the Receiver had no way to output IR. Today, I can
control an entire home theater system, including an SB3, from a single
universal remote control. The Duet system I saw
By the way Ben,
I have a Nokia N800 which I occasionally use with your skin (thank you
very much for creating it). But, for the purposes of controlling an
entire home theater system, the N800 has the same basic constraints as
the Controller, in that it doesn't make for a suitable universal
bklaas;257049 Wrote:
I've yet to ever get my grubby hands on one, but check out the PepperPad
http://pepperpad.com. Does everything (in theory) that the Nokia does,
on an x86 platform, similar form factor, PLUS it's got IR. Same screen
size as the Nokia, so the Nokia770 skin should give
I read the first 15 pages of this thread (and searched it) and didn't
see this addressed, so pardon me if it is but...
Is the battery removable and/or user replaceable?
If the controller battery is not removable, what type of charger does
it use? What are music access options while the
downtime;257057 Wrote:
I read the first 15 pages of this thread (and searched it) and didn't
see this addressed, so pardon me if it is but...
Is the battery removable and/or user replaceable?
If the controller battery is not removable, what type of charger does
it use? What are music
TiredLegs;257009 Wrote:
In the Logitech booth at CES, the Duet setup I saw was connected to a
home theater system, yet the Controller couldn't even switch the A/V
receiver to the correct input. (The Controller cannot control devices
other than Receiver/Squeezebox/Transporter, despite having
Mark Lanctot;256068 Wrote:
... It's interesting to note that Logitech SMS does closely listen to
requests on this forum, the graphical wifi remote and the headless SB
have been requested for ~2 years.
Thanks for noticing! There is an awful lot of the community's input in
both Duet and in
NFLnut;2562390
You have, IMO way overpriced the controller and using Sonos prices of their
products is a serious mistake in determining the price of YOURS. You may have
no problems selling that $300 remote to your Transporter customers, but I doubt
that you will sell many to your Squeezebox
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To whom it may concern:
You've got a couple of typos on the Squeezebox Controller and
Squeezebox Receiver links on the right hand side of this page:
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_overview.html
Thought you'd like to know!
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Regarding the price, while i dont fully understand why the SBC its so
much more expensive than the SBR (other than logitech's product
strategy), lets not get too hung up on it - we should all know by now
that manufactures RRP is not often actually what you end up paying -
and this is especially
Also regarding the lack of working headphone on release - could it not
be that this is partly because logitech dont actually want the
controller to be perceived as a portable squeezebox that can control
other SB's, rather than a brilliant controller that can also play
music? The latter is better
You've got a couple of typos on the Squeezebox Controller and
Squeezebox Receiver links on the right hand side of this page:
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_overview.html
Thanks!
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Also regarding the lack of working headphone on release - could it not
be that this is partly because logitech dont actually want the
controller to be perceived as a portable squeezebox,
Unlikely since there is still optimisation development ongoing.
Even when that is finished there
The only reason I might want a working speaker/speaker plug and support
for streamed music in the Controller is to sample tracks from my
library as build Dynamic Playlists.
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It seems Logitech might've been very close to indeed making a portable
Squeezebox. From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like
it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins,
which is a shame, because a set of powered speakers that the controller
could plug
dean blackketter wrote:
Some news from CES:
Squeezebox Duet won a CES Innovations 2008 award. Details here:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/172/4177cl=us,en
Congratulations!
Also, according to this (http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/?
tag=ces2008_rnav) in
the Home Audio category
From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like it has an
accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins
In another post, it was said the photos were taken months ago using
mockups and LCD displayed was simulated so don't make assumptions based
on the press photos.
Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in ?
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tamanaco;256374 Wrote:
The only reason I might want a working speaker/speaker plug and support
for streamed music in the Controller is to sample tracks from my
library as build Dynamic Playlists.
Shame it hasn't got a microphone for voice control, VoIP calling and so
on. I was always very
The port on the bottom is there but it's covered by a rubber plug.
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mortslim wrote:
It is my understanding that the squeezenetwork interface and the
slimserver interface will shortly both be retired and be updated to the
new squeezecenter interface which is supposed to be a unified interface
to control your squeezebox. It is also my understanding that the new
autopilot wrote:
Also regarding the lack of working headphone on release - could it not
be that this is partly because logitech dont actually want the
controller to be perceived as a portable squeezebox that can control
other SB's, rather than a brilliant controller that can also play
music?
dean blackketter wrote:
On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Mark Lanctot wrote:
konut;255304 Wrote:
Am I corect in assuming that a router isn't needed? That the
controller
can connect directly to my laptops WiFi?
I believe that a router isn't needed in that the controller can
NFLnut wrote:
mvalera;254763 Wrote:
Enoch the price is the price. If you don't feel it's worth the money
we're asking, then you can feel free to vote with your wallet.
It's smaller, faster, cheaper and has more functionality than our
competitor's controller. We feel that we have
Nostromo wrote:
NFLnut;256222 Wrote:
I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused.
What would be the point of the Controller having a DAC otherwise?
For playing sound effects?
I think even my microwave has a DAC... ;)
Regards,
Peter
bpa;256385 Wrote:
Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not
enough CPU to do recognition and control.
Call phones do it with much slower CPUs...
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On 9-Jan-08, at 7:15 AM, CardinalFang wrote:
bpa;256385 Wrote:
Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not
enough CPU to do recognition and control.
Call phones do it with much slower CPUs...
so you keep saying. and saying.
-kdf
dean blackketter;256445 Wrote:
But it does have such a connector, but it's hidden under a rubber
plug, which provides pinouts for audio in, audio out, serial, USB
host or device, and power (both to charge the battery and run
peripherals from the battery). Those pins haven't been
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:41 AM, 4mula1 wrote:
It seems Logitech might've been very close to indeed making a portable
Squeezebox. From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like
it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins,
But it does have such a connector, but
Congratulations SD/Logitech on the product announcement.
Will be watching the development after the official release.
Somthing that others may wish to consider is the Phillips Pronto Pro
TSU9400/9600. For those wanting the all encompassing universal remote
and graphical control of the SB - this
Peter;256404 Wrote:
mortslim wrote:
[color=blue]
And isn't a laptop just as portable as the new controller?
Of course not!
Where do you get all these 'insights'?
Can you lay in bed and hold a laptop in one hand to control your
playlists?
While I don't hold it in one hand,
thing-fish wrote:
Peter;256404 Wrote:
mortslim wrote:
[color=blue]
And isn't a laptop just as portable as the new controller?
Of course not!
Where do you get all these 'insights'?
Can you lay in bed and hold a laptop in one hand to control your
playlists?
I'm hesitant on this new remote as well. Especially after buying
Logitech's Harmony 890 universal remote. But, with a SB1, SB2, and SB3
scattered around the house a remote with this functionality would be
kind of nice. Dare I ask for a Harmony firmware update? :-p The
closest thing I have
hashref;256473 Wrote:
Dare I ask for a Harmony firmware update? :-p
The hardware inside a Harmony remote isn't in the same league as the
Squeeze Remote. So that isn't going to happen.
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hashref;256473 Wrote:
Dare I ask for a Harmony firmware update? :-p
The hardware inside a Harmony remote isn't in the same league as the
Squeeze Remote. So that isn't going to happen.
I'm surprised people think this is just another remote. But this is a
kdf;256425 Wrote:
On 9-Jan-08, at 7:15 AM, CardinalFang wrote:
bpa;256385 Wrote:
Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not
enough CPU to do recognition and control.
Call phones do it with much slower CPUs...
so you keep saying. and saying.
-kdf
And
In my remark I was being cautious from my experience running
Squeezeslave on Jive back in Nov which was not an optimised system but
it also had significantly less functionality.
The current SBC is a first iteration of Jive h/w s/w and it has been
a learning experience. For some of the
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:20 AM, 4mula1 wrote:
Does/will the Controller support SHDC cards? With 32GB nearly here
that will easily hold my library if transcoded into mp3. That would
make my entire library ready to travel. Now I'm interested in buying
one.
Yes, I've tried it with a 4GB card, and
kdf;256501 Wrote:
That we all got your point the first time. My apologies, I didn't
realise we're not allowed to note that. Fair point made, and fair also
to say we've heard it already.
I still don't understand your sensitivity and why I've now got such a
petulant reply. I was responding to
bpa;256499 Wrote:
The current SBC is a first iteration of Jive h/w s/w and it has been
a learning experience. For some of the developers, it seems to be their
first serious experience of an ARM platform and are discovering which
optimisations are worthwhile. As such, the system is not
So much talk about the interface/controller. My primary concern is audio
quality (I own 2 SB3's but ditched the transporter).
Is the Wolfson DAC (does anybody know the exact type ?) an improvement
or quite the contrary... ? (i've read quote : Quite good...
Is there more to say about audio
You'd be surprised! Given the pace of development, platforms change at
an incredible rate, every six months is not unusual and libraries and
components change at an equally astonishing rate at times as vendors
move in and out of favour. Most devices are based on a limited number
of RTOS
bpa;256579 Wrote:
Overall, given that certain design decisions were made such as using LUA
and using Linux rather than an RTOS - Jive was not going to be always
used in an embedded system. It seems to me that SBC is not just the
first release but also the first embodiment of an extension to
mkozlows;254645 Wrote:
Maybe if I decide to build a good bedside headphone system it'd be
useful, but otherwise it's actually less useful than an SB2/3.
Incidentally, I've been obsessed with this idea since I posted that,
and now I'm almost certain to buy a Duet for the bedroom. Paired with
Engineer Dean stated in this thread (post #53), that:
In place of a VFD display it
has a single button with an RGB LED behind it. The color of that
button is under software control and indicates if the device is
connected and working properly. The button acts as a pause/unpause
control, or
Mitch Harding;254713 Wrote:
No headphone output is listed on the spec page, so I'm guessing there is
not one.
The beta controllers do indeed have one, and the production controller
shots show one.
Internally it's connected to the controller's speaker, so anything you
play over the
Wow, that's a big topic ;)
First, let me say this controller is what I wanted!
Just like this, no more no less (except for the big list thing I hear
will be solved fast).
All other future possible functionality will be nice, or not if choose
not to use it.
The price is a bit steep, especially
Gibbo;255055 Wrote:
Not even had my second SB3 two weeks, wish i'd waited now.
There is that 30-day return policy...
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Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not
do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz?
SoundBoy;255065 Wrote:
I already own two SB3 and was looking for a beefy SB4 (with color
display).
Huh? You'll soon have the colour display where you need it - in the
palm of your hand. What use would a small colour display be across the
room? There you need brightness and extreme contrast
seanadams;255218 Wrote:
However, if the receiver is wired then it is possible to use the system
without an access point, because the receiver can provide the wireless
connectivity for the controller.
This is actually one of the most exciting features of the Duet - the
receiver acts as a
pfradique;255992 Wrote:
That said, did I understand correctly that the new receiver doesn't
have an Headphone/IR port? I don't really need it to connect headphones
but to connect an IR transmitter... it's essential in order to turn
on/off my stereo and control volume on it.
How are
konut;255304 Wrote:
Am I corect in assuming that a router isn't needed? That the controller
can connect directly to my laptops WiFi?
I believe that a router isn't needed in that the controller can connect
directly to the -Squeezebox Receiver-, not a laptop, i.e. the SBR
functions as an ad-hoc
On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Mark Lanctot wrote:
konut;255304 Wrote:
Am I corect in assuming that a router isn't needed? That the
controller
can connect directly to my laptops WiFi?
I believe that a router isn't needed in that the controller can
connect
directly to the -Squeezebox
norderney;255360 Wrote:
My music library contains 2362 albums with 29807 songs by 5062 artists.
Would that be ok for the new controller or do you think it might
struggle?
It doesn't matter, this is all handled by SqueezeCentre, and there's no
limitation.
The controller is merely an
DougP;255538 Wrote:
1. The Duet (and individual components) seem really nice and well
featured - however, surely this is a me-too initiative, trying to
keep up with Sonos?
Seems to me they're keeping up with user requests for a graphical wifi
remote and a lower-cost, headless SB.
2. Are
Some news from CES:
Squeezebox Duet won a CES Innovations 2008 award. Details here:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/172/4177cl=us,en
Also, according to this (http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/?
tag=ces2008_rnav) in
the Home Audio category we're up against Neosonik's no-speaker wires
ezkcdude;255635 Wrote:
How do you set up the passkey, so that it can gain access to the
network? Or, do you not need to do this for ethernet connected devices?
The receiver acts as a stripped-down AP and it communicates with the
controller. It still needs to be done for Ethernet-connected
I am way psyched about the controller and will buy one on day one. If
it was a little less pricey, I would buy two.
Way to go.
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mvalera;254731 Wrote:
The Squeezebox Controller at $299.99 is a great value.
It's a mini linux computer with an ARM processor, built in WiFi, a
Wolfson DAC (same as the receiver), an IR emitter, a headphone jack,
and a SD slot.
Mike
I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm
NFLnut;25622 Wrote:
I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused.
The Squeezebox Controller (SBC) DOES have a headphone jack, and it DOES
have a IR Emitter.
I think many people here are confusing the specs on the Receiver and
the Controller.
The Squeezebox Receiver (SBR)
mkozlows;254735 Wrote:
That's interesting enough, but from my perspective it's a remote control
that can only control a single device.
Agreeance. Although technically it can control more than one device,
but for most of us, that isn't a likelihood. I know there are a few
guys here who have
NFLnut;256222 Wrote:
I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused.
What would be the point of the Controller having a DAC otherwise?
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mvalera;254763 Wrote:
Enoch the price is the price. If you don't feel it's worth the money
we're asking, then you can feel free to vote with your wallet.
It's smaller, faster, cheaper and has more functionality than our
competitor's controller. We feel that we have priced it
NFLnut;256239 Wrote:
...I doubt that you will sell many to your Squeezebox customers...
NFLnut IMO you are crazy mistaken there. :)
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NFLnut;256239 Wrote:
You have, IMO way overpriced the controller and using Sonos prices of
their products is a serious mistake in determining the price of YOURS.
You may have no problems selling that $300 remote to your Transporter
customers, but I doubt that you will sell many to your
On 8-Jan-08, at 9:26 PM, erland wrote:
Nostromo;256229 Wrote:
What would be the point of the Controller having a DAC otherwise?
Maybe I got it all wrong, but the Controller isn't simply a fancy
remote, its also a portable Squeezebox. You can plug headphones in it
or a boombox or whatever.
I'm willing to bet they're working on a cheaper, Squeezebox-free version
of the Controller for those who don't want a portable Squeezebox.
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NewBuyer;256246 Wrote:
NFLnut IMO you are crazy mistaken there. :)
Time will tell. I have my doubts. And until SOMEONE writes the
software, all it is is a remote with pictures. For $300.
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