I have to disagree here. Like anyone, I'd rather pay less for it, but
I have plans to buy one. And no, I'm not a Transporter customer. I
wish I had that kind of money to spend on audio, but I don't.
What I want from the SBC is exactly what it seems like it will give me
-- a graphical remote
Slim Devices has an excellent track record when it comes to adding
features to new products. I'm not sure how long you've been around as
a customer or on the forums, but I've never seen a company more
focused on adding value to existing products. And that is without
even considering the number
It is my understanding that the squeezenetwork interface and the
slimserver interface will shortly both be retired and be updated to the
new squeezecenter interface which is supposed to be a unified interface
to control your squeezebox. It is also my understanding that the new
controller will
mortslim wrote:
I don't undertand what the sd card slot is for on the controller. The
controller seems too bulky (compared to the state of the art from ipod,
sirius, sandisk, creative, etc.) to be a portable mp3 player.
And is logitech really going to allow recording to sd cards of
benthos wrote:
Does Logitech's Harmony remote work with the Squeezebox, or can it be
made to work with the Squeezebox? If so, I'm not sure why anyone would
pay twice as much for the Duet controller, especially if the Harmony
remote can control other devices.
I have a Harmony remote. It's
MelonMonkey wrote:
If you're looking at Digikey for prices, then you're obviously not
really building in volume. 500 unit counts are what you'd buy if you
were building stuff by hand at home.
As an example, if something retails for $200 through normal
distribution/retail channels, it's not a
Does anyone know how much power the Reciever uses in both standby and
while playing music?
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dean blackketter;254747 Wrote:
Folks have been asking
for a couple of new products from us for a while: a less expensive
Squeezebox and a remote with a display. We did that.
This is indeed an exciting product. However, I am one of the folks who
clamors for a less expensive way to
Well, I think the less expensive unit is a good idea and the new unit
looks sleek. For me I'll still need to look for alternative display
mechanisms for displaying artwork etc on TV. I don't really see a need
for the remote either when I've already got a web browser and a
separate Jive build on
thing-fish wrote:
dean blackketter;254747 Wrote:
Folks have been asking
for a couple of new products from us for a while: a less expensive
Squeezebox and a remote with a display. We did that.
This is indeed an exciting product. However, I am one of the folks who
clamors for a
JimC;255106 Wrote:
You don't have to move the Squeezebox Controller from room-to-room.
It's an 802.11g wireless device that allows you to control all of the
Squeezebox players (sliMP3, SB2/3, TP, and the new SB Receiver) from
anywhere you have a connection to your access point. I can
Peter;255447 Wrote:
thing-fish wrote:
This is indeed an exciting product. However, I am one of the folks
who
clamors for a less expensive way to access my music collection stored
in
the Slimserver Ecosystem. As I see it, this is not actually chaper:
$399 for the Duet is *more* than
Peter;255447 Wrote:
thing-fish wrote:[color=blue]
I can definitely see myself sitting in a deck chair on the roof terrace
with a headphone on and a controller in my shirt pocket. I hop they
activate there feature before summer :)
And having the sound disappear because the battery runs
Paul Webster;255465 Wrote:
And having the sound disappear because the battery runs flat after 40
minutes of streaming will be a good reminder to get back into the shade
;)
Maybe if there was a mechanism to stream at superhigh speed and store
30MB in the device and switch off the wifi for
PaulR;255470 Wrote:
Was the 40 minute figure a (sarcastic or otherwise!) guess or is it
quoted somewhere? If it was a guess I'd be really interested to know
what the actual figure will be. This functionality is only really
useful if the streaming battery life is more than about 3 hours IMO.
Paul Webster;255472 Wrote:
Certainly wasn't sarcastic. It was based on what I achieve when
streaming over wifi while walking around the house using a Nokia 770 or
Nokia N95 - and .. a vague recollection of seeing a mention of that sort
of figure in the beta forum (pre-optimisation though).
dean blackketter;254747 Wrote:
The Controller uses its built-in 802.11g wireless to talk to
SqueezeCenter and/or SqueezeNetwork as an alternative way to control
your Squeezeboxen or Transporter and has nice 2.4 display and enough
buttons to navigate and play your music on your other
I can't find the comment about battery life while streaming to the
Controller - so maybe I have misremembered.
Perhaps bpa (or others) have some figures from when the sound output
was possible.
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Pokersut;255479 Wrote:
Will Duet only talk to SqueezeCenter, or is it compatible with
SlimServer as well? Since the Receiver is said to be essentially an
SB3 without display, I am hoping it is compatible.
The new remote (Squeezebox Controller) will only work with
SqueezeCenter 7.
It may be
mflint;255481 Wrote:
It may be that the SB Receiver will work with 6.5 (anyone?) but you'd
then have to control it via the web interface...
or sync it to another Squeezbox ... or use Shadow Play to control it
via a regular remote talking through another Squeezebox .., or use
PDA/mobile
It may be that the SB Receiver will work with 6.5 (anyone?) but you'd
then have to control it via the web interface...
No Receiver won't work with SS6. It will not even work with the current trunk
of SC7, but will need some changes made in a private branch.
Michael
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MelonMonkey wrote:
Now how about a discount for loyal forum participants? :)
Isn't this the same as asking for a pony?
Hey, it's worked for me in the past...
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Paul Webster;255478 Wrote:
I can't find the comment about battery life while streaming to the
Controller - so maybe I have misremembered.
Perhaps bpa (or others) have some figures from when the sound output
was possible.
I just left my Nokia 770 streaming - playing back through internal
All,
Having digested this information for a while I wanted to poll your
various opinions on some of the points below...
1. The Duet (and individual components) seem really nice and well
featured - however, surely this is a me-too initiative, trying to
keep up with Sonos? Good to do, but should
mkozlows;254739 Wrote:
If someone says Wow, $300 is steep for a remote, telling them how
many MIPS it has isn't going to change their mind.
I'm kind of missing the point also -- what does all that tech *do*?
It's a remote for my squeezebox that has a nice display and can show
album art.
I think that's so that the headphone jack will eventually be usable.
On Jan 7, 2008 9:52 AM, FatElvis2000
And why does it have a DAC?
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I agree with another poster who noted that this device is optimized
for its task as a remote, versus the other options (PSP, Nokia,
iPhone, etc) which can do it, but may not be as good at it.
The new controller is probably not intended for those who are already
happy with their PSPs or Nokias or
FatElvis2000;255542 Wrote:
I'm kind of missing the point also -- what does all that tech *do*?
It's a remote for my squeezebox that has a nice display and can show
album art. Right? What am I missing?
It's a remote for all of your Squeeze devices that lets you control
them from anywhere in
A power outlet and some powered speakers with the remote in its cradle
may well be an outdoor hit though.
Yes, I agree.
Logitech sells quite good portable speakers with iPod dock. It should
be easy to adopt them to Squeezebox Controller.
Logitech should have this option available right at the
I'm looking forward to the Squeezebox Controller.
It has now topped my birthday wish-list.
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Paul Webster;255511 Wrote:
I just left my Nokia 770 streaming - playing back through internal
speaker. Most of the time it was close to the access point (so should
be less battery use) but about 30 minutes was near the limit of its
reception area. Result - about 1h50m streaming.
It'll also
Skunk;255212 Wrote:
I should have went back and re-read your post before responding because
the form factor comments are relevant and not likely to change after
beta. Honestly I didn't remember who's post he was talking about, and
only meant to point out that it can't really be judged fairly
Or one can always have the music transcoded to a lower bitrate for the
SBC, since presumably it won't be used for audiophile-type listening
anyway. Of course, you'd lose FF/RW, but that may be worth it.
On Jan 7, 2008 11:28 AM, CardinalFang
One solution would be to to stick a big SD card in the
Mitch Harding;255620 Wrote:
Or one can always have the music transcoded to a lower bitrate for the
SBC, since presumably it won't be used for audiophile-type listening
anyway. Of course, you'd lose FF/RW, but that may be worth it.
But you would still be streaming OTA, which drains the
seanadams;255218 Wrote:
The receiver supports ethernet or wireless. The controller has only
wireless.
However, if the receiver is wired then it is possible to use the system
without an access point, because the receiver can provide the wireless
connectivity for the controller.
How do you
We're using the mailing list - which means the posting is sent withing seconds
;-)
And is permanent. Irrespective of when you delete the message from visibility
in the forum, we will always get the message on the mailing list. I wouldn't
bother deleting posts - it's only confusing when people
thing-fish;255454 Wrote:
If someone in the family is going to be the designated DJ that is OK,
but if you want different music in multiple rooms controlled by the
occupants of the rooms, you're in multiple $299 controller land.
Fortunately there's still the SB3 for that configuration.
Would it be possible to stream from home using a hooked up cell
phone/wifi connection ? Wham/ABBA in glorious Lossless ? (using
headphones into the non working jack of course).
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W1NDRUSH;255682 Wrote:
Would it be possible to stream from home using a hooked up cell
phone/wifi connection ? Wham/ABBA in glorious Lossless ? (using
headphones into the non working jack of course).
Assuming you had the bandwidth, and the headphone port became
functional, yes :)
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Assuming you had the bandwidth, and the headphone port became
functional, yes :)
3.5G on the cell phone should be enough though ?
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You might want to keep an eye on your data usage though as it would be
easy to rack up a large bill especially with lossless formats.
Using WiFi rather than the cellular network would be cheaper.
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It just occurred to me that the Duet makes creating a transportable
system a heck of a lot easier. Now that you don't need to see the
display as you would with an SB3 it would be a relatively simple job to
incorporate the receiver into a box.
You could take, say, one of the logitech 2.1 powered
I've just put some placeholder pages in http://wiki.slimdevices.com/
for the new Duet, Receiver and Controller products.
If anybody has a free moment, feel free to fill in the details from
what you've learned here...
Thanks!
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alstein;254775 Wrote:
But, again, if I am in one room and my wife is in another, then one
controller seems insufficient
Skunk;254782 Wrote:
You could get a duet plus an Sb3, rather than spare receiver
alstein;254954 Wrote:
I'm still stuck at the thought of having to move the remote
CardinalFang;255616 Wrote:
I hope so, I will persevere, but I personally wish it had *less*
features and aimed to do the task of controlling the SB family as
cleanly as possible. In other words, I'd rather have the basics done
really well, rather than extraneous future capable features.
I
I stopped by the Logitech booth at CES today and got to play with the
Controller. Even discounting what possibilities it may hold down the
road, I'll be buying one for what it can do today. It's another slick,
dedicated product that does exactly what it's designed to do. While not
yet perfect
A couple days off the grid and Bang!... The Duet.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=145212postcount=15
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=123811postcount=50
As you can see from the posts above, SD stole my idea and then instead
of outsourcing the remote to Logitech, as
EnochLight;254760 Wrote:
I completely disagree with this. It's a good value, but nowhere near
great. My iPhone has most of these features and then some. Sure it
costs $100 more but has a tremendous amount of flexibility and diverse
functions (as well as serves as a cell phone).
Thanks a lot for the e-mail, Dean -- it clarified a lot of things for
me, and I'm definitely excited about the new products. Keep up the
great work.
On Jan 5, 2008 9:49 PM, dean blackketter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To clear up a little bit about the new product announcement.
There are two new
Does the Controller still have the expansion port that was on the beta
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Peter;254800 Wrote:
mvalera wrote:
One note about the SB Receiver, is that it requires the Controller
for
network setup. You can't just buy one on it's own. It's for adding
extra rooms.
Hi Michael,
How does the controller communicate with the SBR when the network
connection is
However, the real potential of the SqueezeBox Controller IMHO is the SD
slot and the headphone jack.
I can't really see why the headphone jack will be useful. I imagine that the
battery life of the controller won't be all that great (like a PDA with wifi
running all the time), and the device
mvalera;254692 Wrote:
Price on the Squeezebox Controller is $299.99 US.
I find it quite hard to believe that the prices for Europe are exactly
the same in Euros as the american prices in Dollars. That means the
European version is about 40% too expensive. I guess I would not
hesitate buying
The price hike in sweden is only 20% due to our higher VAT.
If take the sales tax in consideration you have only 20-30% to high
price, still evil :-/
But not off the scale as 40%
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window or something like that, as you have 3 directions it could be
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Hi,
first of all congrats on the new hardware. Been following the
development for a while, and it is all very exiting news.
Question:
Does the controller work over normal TCP/IP ? So that it can connect
from any location ? Can it connect directly to the squeezenetwork ? Is
tunneling over SSH
I'll chip in my thoughts on the announcement. The controller looks nice
but I can't help thinking an iPod Touch would be more useful and have
greater capability for an existing SB3 owner. The current iPeng
interface that Pippin is developing is excellent and makes user of the
larger screen from
Peter;254796 Wrote:
Cool, I got one of my wishes/predictions, the 'blind' SB, now I'm still
waiting for the complement: A separate ethernet controlled display ;)
Regards,
Peter
Real Ethernet controlled displays are way to expensive now and will
stay so for a long time.
But with the
Does the controller work over normal TCP/IP ? So that it can connect
from any location ?
Yes.
Can it connect directly to the squeezenetwork ? Is
Yes.
tunneling over SSH possible?
Yes. Though you'll need a different machine to do the tunneling. But I wondered
when someone would come up
Paul_B;254895 Wrote:
But at £220 that is too close to the selling price of an iPod Touch
16GB.
I was on the beta programme and I must admit, this mirrors my thoughts.
It's a potentially OK piece of kit, but at the suggested price, I would
spring for the iTouch, it can even do VoIP calls now
CardinalFang;254924 Wrote:
I was on the beta programme and I must admit, this mirrors my thoughts.
It's a potentially OK piece of kit, but at the suggested price, I would
spring for the iTouch, it can even do VoIP calls now on top of having
WiFi and an SDK for apps and the interface is much,
mvalera;254763 Wrote:
Enoch the price is the price. If you don't feel it's worth the money
we're asking, then you can feel free to vote with your wallet.
It's smaller, faster, cheaper and has more functionality than our
competitor's controller. We feel that we have priced it
erland;254797 Wrote:
So just to get this out of the way once for all.
Let's say I'm going to get a new SqueezeBox device, screen or not
doesn't matter, and it will be connected with analogue cables to the
amplifier.
If I'm looking for the best audio quality, but isn't ready to pay for a
erland wrote:
So just to get this out of the way once for all.
Let's say I'm going to get a new SqueezeBox device, screen or not
doesn't matter, and it will be connected with analogue cables to the
amplifier.
If I'm looking for the best audio quality, but isn't ready to pay for a
JimC wrote:
SB3 is still available and works a treat. If you don't feel that Duet
is worth it, you can still use the SB3 with the infrared remote or with
a Nokia 770/800, iPhone, etc. Duet is an extension to the product
family, providing in-hand control of all the SB/TP products in your
Looking at the prices, i cant understand why the controler is double the
price of the reciver!
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EnochLight;254948 Wrote:
Well that all depends on your ears and the quality of your amplifier
speakers you plan to hook it up to. If it's audiophile-grade and you
are the type of listener who tends to fixate on every nanosecond of
audio coming over the system, then the Squeezebox 3 has a
Skunk;254782 Wrote:
You could get a duet plus an Sb3, rather than spare receiver, though it
would be $150 more for the convenience of having the display and remote
in the third zone.
Personally I'd put the headless receiver in the kitchen and use the
shared graphical remote for setup and
Is lover than the SBR, and thats includes headphone amp and VFD etc, so
this already in the measurments ? and those noise figures is not good
compared to any dvd cd player.
But i think this is the rigth way anyway, the future is digital use the
digital output most people have some kind off HT
Will we be able to get just the receiver w/o the remote?
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autopilot;254951 Wrote:
Looking at the prices, i cant understand why the controler is double the
price of the reciver!
Why not? The controller has much more expensive components in it than
the receiver. Displays and buttons are not cheap items for any device.
Both have wifi radios, both
ezkcdude;254976 Wrote:
Will we be able to get just the receiver w/o the remote?
I just saw the product page for the receiver. $149! Woo hoo! I'll be
getting one. Thank you to whoever decided to roll out this product. I
had been thinking about getting another SB3, but figured since I had
bought
m1abrams;254979 Wrote:
Also why is this announcement getting so much flak? I think it is a
great deal, much cheaper than the competitors and I bet will offer more
configurations. For those that think $300 for a remote is high then
this is not the device for you, for many people into AV
m1abrams;254979 Wrote:
Why not? The controller has much more expensive components in it than
the receiver. Displays and buttons are not cheap items for any device.
Both have wifi radios, both have memory, but the controller has a color
display and buttons. People think buttons are cheap,
mrfantasy;255019 Wrote:
Probably worth pointing out that by simplifying the hardware design on
the Receiver, and I'm sure some less expensive manufacturing (which I'm
not implying means lower quality, just being able to leverage Logitech's
economies of scale), they've been able to cut the
Oooh! How about a displayless TP then?
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mvalera;254744 Wrote:
You can control a house full of Squeezeboxen or Transporters
individually, or you can sync them all to play the same song.
I've had one on my desk for a few months. I have not been able to
discern any difference in sound quality. So if there is any, I have not
ezkcdude;254986 Wrote:
I just saw the product page for the receiver. $149! Woo hoo! I'll be
getting one. Thank you to whoever decided to roll out this product. I
had been thinking about getting another SB3, but figured since I had
bought one over two years ago, there must be something new in
JimC;254818 Wrote:
Did you factor in the $79 to $99 per month, two year contract with ATT
into your assessment of the cost for the Squeezebox Controller vs.
iPhone? That's an additional $1920 in revenue for the iPhone. If'
you'll sign a contract like that with us, we could GIVE you the
mvalera;254733 Wrote:
It is there, but it is up to the community to decide what to do with
it.
Out of the box it is inactive.
Well, this is a very bad statement. Cause what does it mean:
You name stuff on the controller that should argue the high price of
299$. But then you tell us that
mvalera;254746 Wrote:
It's up to the community.
And this is exactly why I cannot accept if you argue why logitech is
pricing that high for the remote. When logitech wants to price
abilities, they should develop them also - even when the stuff is open
source.
Without that, you can price the
m1abrams;254979 Wrote:
Why not? The controller has much more expensive components in it than
the receiver. Displays and buttons are not cheap items for any device.
Both have wifi radios, both have memory, but the controller has a color
display and buttons. People think buttons are cheap,
Smaller parts = more expensive. The Controller's CPU is probably more
expensive than the one in the Receiver. Maybe the RAM is also more
expensive. Not to mention all the extras.
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Not even had my second SB3 two weeks, wish i'd waited now. Product looks
great, but could never justify spending the required money on a seperate
controller for my two SB3's now, as it would just be a fancy wireless
remote with a screen.
I still want one though. the duet is exactly what I was
For the time being, you'll need to have at least one Controller to set
up a Receiver. That's a limit of the current software.
The above quote indicates that eventually (when?) you won't have to buy
the controller if you just want to get a new receiver.
As was mentioned in the sticky
When I saw the Jive project I could have almost predicted this Music
Anywhere product would be next.
I was hoping the Duet remote would be an add on to something like the
current design but at that price its not likely I would buy one when
for the same price you can buy an Asus EEE PC.
The
The post somewhere above by the logitech marketing person who was
justifying the price of the controller has an abrasive approach to the
subject. He could have worded his comments better. A marketing person
is supposed to make the consumer feel good about a product. He didn't
make me feel
Well said Torsten - well said. Hm, reading the announcement I was
excited at first - something new from SlimDevices - cool... reading the
specs/details - I grew disappointed!! I already own two SB3 and was
looking for a beefy SB4 (with color display). I don't need the Jive
Remote - my N800 does
mortslim;255059 Wrote:
For the time being, you'll need to have at least one Controller to set
up a Receiver. That's a limit of the current software.
So presumably there's no way to set it up from the SlimCenter web
interface? I would prefer all setup to be from the web interface and
the
I would like a comparison of the pros and cons of a controller versus a
nokia 770, 800 or 810.
I am not technical but it seems to me that the nokia has a bigger
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I don't undertand what the sd card slot is for on the controller. The
controller seems too bulky (compared to the state of the art from ipod,
sirius, sandisk, creative, etc.) to be a portable mp3 player.
And is logitech really going to allow recording to sd cards of streamed
content out of
mortslim;255074 Wrote:
I don't get that the controller has a headphone out jack that is not
implemented yet.
How hard is it to turn on a headphone jack?
I'm pretty sure the work isn't to turn on the headphone jack, the work
is probably to write the software needed in the controller to
I appreciate the comments of the beta tester who criticized the
controller.
After the excitement of this announcement passes, and it is time to
start making informed buying decisions, I appreciate that there are
well reasoned and intellectually honest evaluations, rather than
marketing hype.
I
I've been debating SB vs Sonos and this is an appealing product.
Personally, I'm glad the remote is the expensive part - if it was the
other way around, expanding the system would be expensive. $149 for
extra rooms sounds good to me.
I'm hoping there's a new SoftSqueeze coming to emulate the
saurus;255043 Wrote:
And this is exactly why I cannot accept if you argue why logitech is
pricing that high for the remote. When logitech wants to price
abilities, they should develop them also - even when the stuff is open
source.
Without that, you can price the hardware costs, that
mortslim;255077 Wrote:
I don't undertand what the sd card slot is for on the controller. The
controller seems too bulky (compared to the state of the art from ipod,
sirius, sandisk, creative, etc.) to be a portable mp3 player.
And is logitech really going to allow recording to sd cards
mortslim;255077 Wrote:
I don't undertand what the sd card slot is for on the controller.
I can see two usages:
1. Emergency upgrade/installation of new firmware if the firmware can't
be downloaded from SqueezeCenter due to some technical problem.
2. Possibility to store music files locally
This new release sounds amazing for people who are looking at creating a
new setup and as of yet aren't a part of the wireless music community.
as a competitor for the Sonos, congratulations guys, it looks like
you've done a cracking job.
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On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:08 AM, bradjudy wrote:
I'm hoping there's a new SoftSqueeze coming to emulate the remote and
try it out first.
A replacement for SoftSqueeze is coming that will use the same
software platform (called SqueezeOS) that's on the Controller.
I've heard it lacks iPod style
bradjudy;255086 Wrote:
I'm hoping there's a new SoftSqueeze coming to emulate the remote and
try it out first.
The Jive software can currently be compiled on Windows, Linux and Mac
and will look the same as the remote but run in a window on your
computer. I'm sure precompiled versions of Jive
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