office functionalities saved the product
IMHO. The functionality you dream about was badly implemented, and a
few good tools have more value than many bad ones.
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standard and it was written for the corporate
world by huge corporations.
Which does not mean dates in legacy quirky non international formats
should not be handled. But anything that rejected ISO 8601 does not
play in the big corporate space.
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regular paste removes formatting and only special paste keeps
formatting?
That is a great idea. I also would like to be able toggle this
parameter. Somewhere in the settings this should be user configurable.
Yes please. I spent the day undoing gratuituous CutPaste formatting
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to select what should be kept.
Also the people that would benefit the most from modern VCS-like
tracking are not developpers but office workers, and they won't touch
any tool that requires them to leave their office tool.
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everything is a style attribute, and no one ever untangled
the layers (in the UI or in dev minds)
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and
templates.
Trivially you can have a set of document types that share presentation
rules (organisation graphic charter) but have different starting pages
(the first 1-5 pages before the content, which depend on the document
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feature for Open Office should be a Multi
language bar.
This does already exist. :)
IIRC support for multilingual documents was not really there today. You
have to create mono-lingual documents or do ugly workarounds in styles
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use styles and what styles are is not clearly defined
today.
Presentation is something that can be changed without altering the
document meaning. Content should be preserved at all costs. You mix both
you get UI disasters.
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way.
There is also the issue that most people are not fast typists.
Bzzt. Shell history is your friend (even for slooow typers like me) and
faster than rediscovering GUI menus
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is misspelled.
It's not about correcting automatically words spelled correctly into
incorrect ones.
Ok, as long as it won't accept coeur and propose cœur instead it's fine
with me
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right now that should be included as a part of OpenOffice.org Math.
Just use a font that includes those symbols instead of the built-in
Vera, for example DejaVu (dejavu.sf.net)
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Le dimanche 14 janvier 2007 à 21:39 +, Rob Putt a écrit :
This is absolutely unacceptable. Is there anyway we can prevent ebay users
selling Open Office unless it is on a CD,
Make the @openoffice.org download page so well-known no one bothers with
the ebay pages
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you can disable interpretation of VBA macros in Office Files in OO.o
preferences, so if you're sure you'll never need them you can avoid all
the do you want to execute popup mess
It seems you can't disable OO.o own macro langages though.
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is free to sell
the suite. Since it's available as a free download, that means investing
in communication and marketing (all of which are good for the project)
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Le Mar 26 septembre 2006 10:52, Ian Lynch a écrit :
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 09:56 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
This of course would be less a problem if svg import/export was useable
so you wouldn't need high-res bitmaps to produce quality paper documents.
Do Draw files not stay as vectors
envelopes,
perhaps you were just looking in the wrong place.
I'm wondering if you actually made the OP a favour by pointing it to the
current tool. It's pretty bad.
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And tests can be added as mistakes are spotted in the wild.
The problem with using OO.o as a reference is no user will ever accept it
as a neutral test.
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).
So an ideal list would be closely tailored to each user habits. I suspect
assigning weights to the various parameters (last open time, number of
accesses, current OO.o shell) and using some sort of bayesian algorithm
(trained with actual uses of the list) might work best.
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of proportion.
What is proportion in this instance?
Well, since OO.o currently targets administrations, and administrations
are the kind of orgs which produce long documents specs with revision
marks...
I'd say the proportion is pretty big.
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Le samedi 22 juillet 2006 à 16:12 +0200, Mathias Bauer a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Is there a way to take an OO.o doc, get all letters replaced with X or x,
I don't know why I didn't see that immediately: replacing text will
change the layout if you don't make sure that all relevant
Le jeudi 20 juillet 2006 à 09:54 +0200, Mathias Bauer a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Is there a way to take an OO.o doc, get all letters replaced with X or x,
metadata stripped, embedded images replaced by blanks with the same sizes,
and every other names (variables, bookmarks, fields
names) anonymized?
As most bugs happen on complex documents, most complex documents are
created in corp-space and corporations don't like disseminating internal
info for debugging purposes I suppose I'm far from the only one with
knowledge of bugs but no way to report them.
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of MSOffice is the
reason why macro viruses are much less important nowadays.
However OO.o folks seems enamoured with macros, and having users open
documents-with-macros to do basic stuff is hardly going to foster a
culture where users are careful about macro warnings.
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for a commercial tool just to draw a few glyphs.
4. it has very clean licensing - the result could be bundled with OOo or
Linux distributions, so you wouldn't even have to download it
separately :)
5. it has a fast release rate - every month new glyphs and fixed glyphs
are available ;)
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. If you're not used to this
process I honestly think you should upgrade the system instead (but if
you want to go sown this route you'll find some help on
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?
So in short that's too little, too late
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Le mercredi 17 mai 2006 à 15:14 -0400, Chad Smith a écrit :
On 5/17/06, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Now Chad, I don't know how much efforts you've invested in OO.o in the
past years, but if MS corrected today one of the small things that make
you
their license)
Now I don't think anyone on this list has any hope left of convincing
you of anything, so I'll ignore the rest of your usual perceptive and
well-researched analysis.
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any normally constituted human being is ready to do
call center duty for free (satisfy the consumer demand as you
euphimisticaly write it) particularly on FOSS mailing lists where the
average technical level and income is light-years from call-center
level, you are sadly mistaken.
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is far from finished (unix printing...)
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just pass them to the OS, you have
to check they're trusted before)
- read/write support of common mail store backends (mailbox, maildir,
pst...)
- searching
- groupware sharing functions
etc
Any shell script can send mails, that does not make them half a PIM.
Sending is *easy*
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Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 à 17:34 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Nowadays a good PIM requires :
...
Also a big part of what Outlook/Notes do happens on the server-side so
you need both to learn to talk to exchange/domino (to allow stealth /
initial deployments) and provide a replacement
is not too difficult
A complete PIM (as defined by all the people who complain thunderbird is
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on the win32 port of course but will
improve the common core.
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Le samedi 29 avril 2006 à 14:31 +0200, Cor Nouws a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Because in the FOSS world either you can contribute some work
(developping, documentation, whatever) and you have some standing, or
you don't and are a nobody (and the amount of screeching on ML and
forums
reimplementation are quickly carried over to the other ports
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not propagate to OO.o because someone decided to implement a
workaround sometime in the past)
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that it
can be secured cheaply (guess which software the US Department of
Homeland Security will recommend afterwards, the one they got secured or
closed products they could never assess)
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Le Mer 25 janvier 2006 11:47, Trevor Dearham a écrit :
Hi
I installed Open Office 2.0.1 on my Windows computer and it installed
various variations of the Bitstream Vera Sans Bitstream Vera Serif
fonts, but all of these font files are blank.
- http://dejavu.sf.net/
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fix would be to get yourself reffed on marc or gmane.
Actually that's also a long-term fix because the cross-list functions of
these archive aggregators are much superior to mailman's
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screen with decent font sizes instead of the
microscopic view the navigator offers
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problems in
a single report while Linux is more one problem = one report
But anyway the proof in the pudding, ask anyone who ran two installs
side-by-side for a year which one got the most problems
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when saving
Docbook is a very nice format - it forces people to structure documents
instead of painting them in bold and italic. Of course WYSIWYG people hate
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of marking the area for fixing. They
did request some eye-candy no one ever found an actual use for though (but
it looked good on slides)
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not just yours and it's only human
they'll tend to contribute to the friendlier projects.
That is, the projects where you actually see developpers on the public
lists, and can give them your opinion directly from time to time.
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http://kegel.com/osdl/da05.html
complains about OO.o not really listening to input, and following its
own private roadmap.
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For additional
processing (to do pretty
indenting you have to count how many levels you are inside the structure),
and increases uncompressed file size a bit.
So most XML generators (which do not produce XML intended for humans, nor
compress them aftewards) don't bother with whitespace by default.
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on the system, most of them probably
scaling worse than system memory.
Is that so difficult to understand ?
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states do not like hostile organizations - they're more
a threat to them than individuals)
In this context company memos ordering criminal actions are indeed
organized crime (however I doubt anti-trust violations are a criminal
charge, looks more like a civil charge to me)
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out of
room loading the ods which didn't happen with the csv (or the xls).
And you know what ? Your RAM depletion had probably little to do about
tag length, and a lot about OO.o trying to build its XML tree in RAM.
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of
the right to make a profit at all costs is being demonstrated by Sony
these days)
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or conventions, and
abuse them routinely
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of communication aids. Should take a lesson from
altavista.
Or you could spend some of your time reading professional typography
guides (even going inside a real library !). 99,99% of HTML capabilities
are filed under amateurish schoolboy effects which hinder
communication there.
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many people. Didn't you read what I wrote last day ? Rich mail
acceptance requires a simplified SUBSET of HTML/XHTML, not a SUPERSET
like ODF.
I shudder a the number of cycles needed to filter a mailing list if its
default format changes to ODF.
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Le lundi 14 novembre 2005 à 16:58 -0500, Chad Smith a écrit :
On 11/14/05, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HTML is already TOO complex for mail. That's why it's rejected by so
many people. Didn't you read what I wrote last day ? Rich mail
acceptance requires a simplified SUBSET
with a click of a button in their email/calendaring
client, automatically adding that appointment to their calendars. On
Microsoft Windows and Linux desktops.
This could perfectly be accomplished by linking properly OOo to FireFox
+ ThunderBird + SunBird
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an ODF file to infer what's really displayed at the top of the mail (cf
all the spammer HTML tricks to make spam display at the top of the file
while stuffing it with nonsense that's hidden from he human reader)
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about HTML mail I invite you to specify
an XHTML subset that can not be abused, get it supported by outlook, and
come back asking for thunderbird/OO.o support.
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will fare any better ?
With the current spam levels mailing list admins zap just anything
suspicious (as they should)
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an app hated by
everyone).
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or CAD before mail
(plenty of good mail clients already, remaining problems server-side not
client-side).
And anyway you can't sanitize/optimize code while integrating boatloads
of new features. Next release focus is optimizing so don't expect
whole new components in this one.
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is a direct mapping of what
users been asking for.
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the style definition: all the pointers to that area remain
unchanged.
This is why they're wrong for langage, as you never want to change the
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which is expressed in your words and in Giuseppe's does not
exist in his proposal.
You're both relying on the fact people should be careful. People aren't
careful in real life. You have to give them tools that do not permit
behaviour you know beforehand is stupid and dangerous.
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Le dimanche 30 octobre 2005 à 19:46 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2005 à 19:11 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta a écrit :
And I think the solution I present would solve that kind of
problems *too*.
Not so sure :(
And BTW if I haven't made it clear before I totally agree
office suites have killed the whole DTP concept
which is now dying a slow depth. Forcing in turn office suites to
implement features needed by former DTP users. Including stuff like what
we are discussing.
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Le samedi 29 octobre 2005 à 03:55 +, Andrew Brown a écrit :
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The problem is this kind of linking is strictly hierarchical, you have
to think beforehand how your styles will be combined, and if you change
your mind
if someone
changes the language in your style instead of just changing the
formatting attributes - instant content loss
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bearing the costs of interoperability is not enough, and
pushing for conventions or even standards that would level the field a
bit is the right thing to do.
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arguement in fvor of using styles. But it has
virtually zero applicability on the practical world.
This is *not* a good argument for using styles. This use case is
something like revision marks, you don't use styles to change the
display of revision marks.
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and language, allow something like
if(russian) in styles for the few people that need language-based
conditional formatting. That's the only justification for
language-in-styles nowadays and there's absolutely no reason it must be
implemented by having styles set language.
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and apply italic+variable
character style, then select greek word in sentence and set greek
language (without loosing the italic+variable styling)
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or flood.
But it's easy to do that to computers - right?
With computers you need multiples copies on several physically different
sites and periodic checksum checks. IE live computer data, not
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have
to think beforehand how your styles will be combined, and if you change
your mind later (or inherit the document of someone else) the whole
style hierarchy must be redone.
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corporation lobby that tries to beat sense
in their software providers. That's why you find Boeing employees in
TCs, and why any standard hashed out there will be considered more
carefully by corporate buyers than anything created by software editors
for their own ends.
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Le jeudi 27 octobre 2005 à 21:10 +0200, cono a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le jeudi 27 octobre 2005 à 14:12 +, Andrew Brown a écrit :
This could surely be cludged around with an addin. I know and you know that
the underlying mechanism would still be styled, but no one else
Le jeudi 27 octobre 2005 à 20:35 +0100, Daniel Carrera a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Well, date formats are not going to severely hinder interoperability.
You're being as naïve as Chad there. Business processes depend on
exchanging documents containing dates in a standard format
( which earned UTC time the nickname
of Zulu time)
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english, not british english)
- and a lot of other cool language-management enhancements
(language-specific word count, highlighting of a specific language when
you want a native speaker to check these parts, etc), which are not
possible right now when language is hidden in styles
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directly in the first place ?
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Le mercredi 26 octobre 2005 à 22:32 +0200, cono a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mercredi 26 octobre 2005 à 18:43 +0200, Mathias Bauer a écrit :
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Now, if you use simple styles with only language attribute (to avoid
interactions with presentation) and fixed names (to avoid
(that's why professional multilingual documents do not look like
collages of different presentation styles).
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mess (for people who have to work with multiple languages, which is not
the majority, but not a small minority either). I'm afraid
language=style is deeply embedded in OO.o and there's no way to fix this
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