Re: [discussion] The Furture of SME/Contribs

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> CentOS 5 is EOL in March 2017. Even if work started NOW on v9/CentOS 6 > bearing in mind the gestation period for v8, would it get out the door > by then ? And by which time CentOS 6 will be getting on with current EOL > in Nov 2020 (gawd that seems a long time away!) > It all starts with settin

Re: [discussion] Mitel Managed Application Server (was: The Future of SME/Contribs)

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Hi Greg, good to see you alive an kickin' ;-) The MAS (Mitel Application Server) is in basic still e-smith/SME Server, but extended with (proprietary and/or OS apps) to become a Unified Communications and applications platform. Surely it will run CentOS 6.x by now, and a modern grandson of SME Se

Re: [discussion] Mitel Managed Application Server (was: The Future of SME/Contribs)

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Greg Zartman wrote: > > > Biggest technical change (other then CentOS 6 base) is that FormMagick is >> being gradually ripped out and replaced with new server-manager panels >> based on Mojolicious::Lite. >> >> > Someone finally came to their senses! :) :) > > For

Re: [discussion] Mitel Managed Application Server (was: The Future of SME/Contribs)

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> e-smith, as was, wrote FormMagick. Charlie and I both worked for e-smith. > FormMagick was a big advance at the time, with some horrid parts. The world > has moved on. > Hence my (our) respect to the e-smith team at the time. (Technical) design cisions made then are still paying off today. Some

Re: [discussion] User interfaces (Re: Mitel Managed Application Server)

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> To give people an idea of host much better Mojolicious::Lite is to work > with, here's one example, the shutdown/reboot panel. This is roughly 100 > lines of fairly sparse perl code, and 60 lines of HTML template. [There > are comment blocks in the original file, but I think they just add bulk. >

Re: [discussion] Mitel Managed Application Server (was: The Future of SME/Contribs)

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> No insult intended Gordon. I'm sure FormMagick did the trick for you guys > in the day, but boy was it mystery to alot of us on the outside. > hence I remember so well :-) ___ Discussion about project organisation and overall direction To unsubscribe,

Re: [discussion] [devinfo] NethServer: something new to play with

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> Its 'accept everything > and bounce bad addresses later' policy forced me to drop SME as mail > servers long ago. Maybe that was fixed eventually... > So we are able to harvest some possible development targets during the last few days. @Gordon, Agree with the focus on patching, testing, testi

Re: [discussion] The Furture of SME/Contribs

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Happy New year Shad > These values are totally bogus. You can't pick dates out of the air > without having any idea what is involved or how much labor force you have > in place. Even then this sounds like something a sales guy or product > manager would set and then try to hold a development te

Re: [discussion] User interfaces (Re: Mitel Managed Application Server)

2013-01-14 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> 'I have', he said smugly not that I'm necessarily any the wiser ;-) > ditto. ___ Discussion about project organisation and overall direction To unsubscribe, e-mail discussion-unsubscr...@lists.contribs.org Searchable archive at http://lists.contrib

Re: [discussion] [Off-topic] Re: Tools (Re: The Future of SME/Contribs)

2013-01-16 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> Because Shad is very busy, and also because he prefers instant messaging > and Skype, and I choose not to use those media, it's hard to get his > attention to discuss development processes via email. I strike while the > iron is hot. > We are ALL busy, but DO follow Contribs.org community provid

Re: [discussion] [Off-topic] Re: Tools (Re: The Future of SME/Contribs)

2013-01-16 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> Let's take details off-line or into bugzilla I assume the bugzilla route will be chosen in the spirit of 'community effort', regardless of 1 personal preference in this WHOLE, 4000+ persons, contribs.org community? IRC with archived logs would be a good alternative, but that idea was killed a

Re: [discussion] SME Management and Future

2013-01-30 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> I'll give more money every month to the project sme, i'm waiting the > beginning of this month. > Stephane do what you like to do, but next what you are already doing, financial donations would be too much to expect/ask from you. ___ Discussion about p

Re: [discussion] Volunteers

2013-02-06 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Hi David, your comments are what it make while. Regards, -HF On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:54 PM, David Ball wrote: > > Hi All > > This is my first contribution to these mailing lists, inspired largely by > John's document “The Future of SME Server”. > > As it is my first time here, a little about

Re: [discussion] [devinfo] How to reach out to the community when help is needed.

2013-02-11 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Ian, my best guess would be to create an extra forum e.g. Do you want to help? 'Development' etc wil scare people away. Simply post tasks and from there take it to bugzilla, the entry level is low and a broad audience. There is a huge amount of lurkers on the forums and we can capitalize on tha

Re: [discussion] [devinfo] How to reach out to the community when help is needed.

2013-02-12 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Ian Wells wrote: > >> Often a small task comes up >> >> ** ** >> >> Can someone reproduce Bug X? >> >> Bug Y is an easy fix, who wants it? >> >> Can someone with ABC please test this? Eg Windows Domain, or Win8, or >> PPTP etc >> >> ** ** >> >> W

Re: [discussion] Koozali history assistance

2014-03-07 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
* Mitel handed over the e-smith forums and documentation to the community * At that time Jeff Coleman registered the domain name contribs.org and received all assests from Mitel on behalf of the community * I myself maintained contribs.org for several years, working with Jeff * Jeff eventually tr

Re: [discussion] Koozali history assistance

2014-03-07 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Correct, contribs.org at the time was the only 'organized entity' (as per remark from Charlie below) to whom Mitel was able to 'hand over' Currently contribs.org is 'still' registered to SME Server Inc On 7-3-2014 17:07, Charlie Brady wrote: On Fri, 7

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2014-03-08 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
I agree with the priority question and marketing approach. -HF On 8-3-2014 20:13, Jesper Knudsen wrote: I think the first question, before the technology, is to ask what would we use the data gathered for? In my perspective, Smolt is not what we need. I do not think that we would be any wiser

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2014-03-09 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Hi Jonathan, nice to see you back around. The 'Test Internet Connection' in the console app 'phones home' with data. Let's take a look at that. I personally think that the data submitted should only contain: a. Install date b. Version c. GeoIP location d. Unique installer code regarding d.

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2014-03-09 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 9-3-2014 21:05, Jonathan Martens wrote: On 9-3-2014 20:47, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote: Hi Jonathan, nice to see you back around. I have been around, although laying low and will be around and every now and then chime in with my meaning, ideas etc. although I can not dedicate the time I did

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2014-03-10 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
I hope Shad would be willing to speak up, for he is fully aware and maintained all 'phone home' and install UUID, EPOCH stuff. Hopefully it will prevent us from re-inventing the wheel. On 10-3-2014 15:22, Jesper Knudsen wrote: I agree that a unique ID would be beneficial in the long run and w

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2014-03-10 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
ReleaseVersion=8.1 SystemID=d0a6d2e7-f4be-4ebf-ae5a-7507775690ab *From:*discussion-boun...@lists.contribs.org [mailto:discussion-boun...@lists.contribs.org] *On Behalf Of *Hsing-Foo Wang *Sent:* 10. marts 2014 15:40 *To:* discussion@lists.contribs.org *Subject:* Re: [discussion] Install

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2014-03-10 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
rt.pl chmod +x SMEReport.pl # Manual checkin ./SMEReport.pl -debug mv SMEReport.pl /etc/cron.weekly Regards, Jesper *From:*discussion-boun...@lists.contribs.org [mailto:discussion-boun...@lists.contribs.org] *On Behalf Of *Hsing-Foo Wang *Sent:* 10. marts 2014 16:45 *To:* discussion@lists.contri

Re: [discussion] SME Test Automation on GitHub

2014-03-27 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Just a word of humble appreciation to all of those involved in this effort. -HF On 27-3-2014 17:53, I Wells wrote: Looking better today, all pass http://wellsi.homeip.net/rnotes/robot/log.html The solution I found from searching online was to install paramiko via yum sudo pip uninstall pycr

Re: [discussion] Koozali Foundation Birthday

2014-05-06 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Agree :-) It would be nice to embrace Jonathan still/again! And hopefully others that would like to give it a try to get involved. -HF On 6-5-2014 20:43, stephane de Labrusse wrote: ++ :) ___ Discussion about project organisation and overall direc

Re: [discussion] Linux user's group in Norther California seeks speaker on SME

2014-06-01 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
I really hope someone will step up to the plate (or assist), with or without a little funding from the Koozali Foundation. -HF On 01-06-14 19:41, Paul Pikowsky wrote: Hello, I belong to a Linux users group in Davis, California, LUGOD. They have a website here: http://www.lugod.org/ At e

Re: [discussion] Where do we go from here?

2014-09-20 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
http://wiki.contribs.org/SME9.1_Roadmap http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server_10.0_Development On 09/20/2014 04:25 PM, John Crisp wrote: On 20/09/14 13:21, Daniel Berteaud wrote: Le 20/09/2014 12:01, stephane de Labrusse a écrit : Indeed we have to write and update a 'new roadmap' for the SME S

Re: [discussion] Where do we go from here?

2014-09-20 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
One topic that we should address is the usage of the build-in PPTP VPN capabilities. We know it is unsafe to use, and does not fit the SME Server philosophy. I think we should at least offer a save alternative, and leave PPTP in with a warning. Maybe we can take a closer look at Daniels OpenVP

Re: [discussion] Where do we go from here?

2014-09-21 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Jesper, good to see you involved. You comments make sense to me, and I'm glad to see that you brought your excellent expertise on the mail topic to the table. Hence this discussion list. I suggest we take the SME Server functionality/role to a higher level, and see what 'visions' are out th

Re: [discussion] Where do we go from here?

2014-09-22 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
What would you do? I would by a next generation Tesla So some interesting visions are posted. Like mine above, that is a bit over the top, but you get what I mean. Like we all know, SME Server has design principles, specifically regarding stability and security, and bleeding edge does n

Re: [discussion] Where do we go from here?

2014-09-22 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 09/23/2014 12:07 AM, stephane de Labrusse wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 22/09/2014 22:53, Les Mikesell a écrit : I think the real competitor would be ClearOS. Has anyone done a feature comparison or considered joining forces as a CentOS SIG for future versions? I

Re: [discussion] Where do we go from here?

2014-09-23 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 09/23/2014 12:35 PM, Huib de Visser wrote: Also, i believe there could be a great opportunity for SME if it would be able to manage/run(backup/restore) Docker containers. If those containers are able/configured to use SME's core services, functionality could expand rapidly. Just my 2 cents

Re: [discussion] Fwd: [docteam] update contribs pages

2014-11-13 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Hi JPP, On 11/13/2014 03:05 PM, Jean-Philippe PIALASSE wrote: Hi, no reaction on Docteam list so I transfer there. Message transféré Hi docteam members, I have worked on updating pertinent informations needed in one place on the wiki . From now I need hep and volunteers to

Re: [discussion] NFR and Bug updates that are released singly

2014-12-05 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Indeed, hats off! FYI: This page http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server_recent_fixes Show a list of SME core packages issues that: 1. have been confirmed and are being worked on 2. Have been fixed and closed both depending on status and resolution and since release of the latest ISO The red line(

Re: [discussion] NFR and Bug updates that are released singly

2014-12-05 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
historically, Ian would announce each and every updated e-smith-*/smeserver-* RPM on the ML. On 12/05/2014 10:13 PM, Terry Fage wrote: Thanks HF will certainly use that link. I am more concerned with an update that is released that fixes a particular issue, like the Thunderbird one now. Th

Re: [discussion] Foundation - the future of SME....

2014-12-22 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 12/22/2014 03:43 PM, Daniel Berteaud wrote: Le 22/12/2014 12:56, Dave Liquorice a écrit : IMHO if they are not putting anything back into SME be that via bug fixes, development, NFRs or financially they are effectively stealing the code and efforts of others. No no no, and triple no !! ;-)

Re: [discussion] NFR and Bug updates

2014-12-22 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 12/23/2014 06:55 AM, Terry Fage wrote: On 23/12/2014 8:40 AM, Ian Wells wrote: Earlier I chose a format very similar to RedHat, an example below and also at http://www.wellsi.homeip.net/rnotes/sme9/9bugreport.html Is the above url operational? Try without the www part. It autogenerates dr

[discussion] Obsolete non English languages on the wiki

2015-01-11 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Hi all, the title might seem harsh, but to be honest, there are too few editors in non English languages. Let alone in English. There are 203 editors registered, but only a very very few actually edit. In whatever language. So time to 'cut costs'. The non English pages are way out of date an

Re: [discussion] Obsolete non English languages on the wiki

2015-01-11 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 01/11/2015 08:48 PM, stephane de Labrusse wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 11/01/2015 19:59, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit : What do you think? I know that some French translators are still active IMO you will remove them a way to be involved in the project. But I agree

Re: [discussion] Install statistics for SME Server [SMOLT]

2015-01-25 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
On 01/25/2015 08:59 PM, Daniel Berteaud wrote: Le 25/01/2015 19:10, Terry Fage a écrit : On 26/01/2015 4:33 AM, stephane de Labrusse wrote: Then you should open a bug, and see with Daniel, how we can do that and see which Data will be gathered. If this is going to be done, it needs to be in t

Re: [discussion] [devinfo] Think before to code... LONG RAMBLE

2016-02-13 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Thanks. On 13/02/16 23:44, "Jim McLaren" wrote: >On 13/02/2016 22:36, Gavin Weight wrote: >> >>> On 13 Feb 2016, at 22:23, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote: >>> >>> No difference... >> >> No wonder with an "attitude" like that it is n

Re: [discussion] Bug in the machine

2016-10-13 Thread Hsing-Foo Wang
Xavier, can you please simply leave this community. It's for the better to all of us. Merci. On 13/10/16 19:05, smeserve...@free.fr wrote: Dear John, Your culture is so light that you feel the need to use it in all your mail...then do you remember how was the end of life of Henri II? He fini