Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread DAVE WHITE
That's exactly what I do, Zack Unless there's some organisational cock-up (on my part - I don't use a computer log) then I'll work a DXpedition if possible once on each band and once on each mode. I won't work them on a band/mode if I already have that one confirmed. The thought process is

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards and Tom's yardstick

2012-06-06 Thread DAVE WHITE
Hi think that's a great way of looking at things, Tom I thought that the 7O6T guys did an amazing job before I saw your analysis, but I guess that figure really hammers home quite how incredible their QSO rate was. I bet they slept for a week when they got home. I suppose the counter argume

[DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Ernie Walls
Question. Just what is wrong, exactly, with working a DXpedition by band/mode? What's the problem? Isn't that what we all want to do anyway, that is, work everyone on all bands and all modes? Isn't that why the DXpedition goes too far flung places at great expense for - to have as man

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards and Tom's yardstick

2012-06-06 Thread Tom Wylie
Well precisely Dave - I mean if you have sufficient operators, with sufficient kit and they stay there a long time, it stands to reason they are going to break records - my dog';s bigger than your dog! etc. But, it depends upon the obectives of the expedition.If like T32C you want to g

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Ryan Jairam
People are talking about "DX hogs" and "giving others a chance" but in reality DXing is a competitive endeavor. It is never going to be "fair" and "even" for everyone. Ask yourself - why do you DX? Why do you submit your cards for DXCC? Why do you keep totals? Why do you work more than 100 countr

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Zack Widup
Good points, Dave. If a DX station is calling CQ and not getting any answers (that he can hear) I would have no problem with calling them. Also, the on-line logs most likely DO reduce a lot of traffic from people who aren't sure they have worked them until they find the QSO in the log. For the cur

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Zack Widup
Well, let me ask this question: What would the ham radio world be like if there were no DXCC or similar awards? How much would a DX station in some semi-rare place like Andorra get pileups when he was on the air? I could see someone like JY1 having pileups whether or not there was a DXCC, but the

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Ed Benkis
Isn't it nice that we can discuss things like this. So much better than complaining about the weather! But, in the light of recent discussions an old adage comes to mind: "For every problem there is a solution. For every solution there is ...!" Not that I have the solution. I'm

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Peter W2IRT
I chase them across all bands/modes for the same reason that climbers climb mountains; because they're there. I'm not going to interfere with anybody else's business of working DX and I will resent anybody poking their nose into mine. So long as everybody is operating legally I'm good with however

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Don Berger
Well, let me ask this question: What would the ham radio world be like if there were no DXCC or similar awards? Arguably better in many ways. Among them, one could argue the ability to have prolonged and therefore interesting discussions with hams in other parts of the world would be enjoy

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Ryan Jairam
You are stating your view of amateur radio, but it is certainly not universal. Some people hate long conversation on amateur radio, or any medium for that matter. I rarely ever have a long conversation on amateur radio. To me that's not really the point of the medium. In fact I have more convers

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Zack Widup
Yes, I'm sure small pileups would develop occasionally to work some station. But without DXCC, I doubt anyone would be risking their lives and spending a fortune to go to places like Peter I or South Sandwich Islands. And a QSO with someone in a European country would have equal weight with a QSO

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Ryan Jairam
Besides, if DeSoto didn't come up with the idea, someone else would have. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Zack Widup wrote: > > Yes, I'm sure small pileups would develop occasionally to work some station. > But without DXCC, I doubt anyone would be risking their lives and spending a

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Don Berger
Granted. As with all generalities, there is no one opinion with which everyone agrees. Which is why I prefaces my view with "arguably". Consider all the things about which we generally complain - wide pileups, poor manners in pileups, qrm, some qsl practices, the practice of illegal operation

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Victor Goncharsky US5WE
I was making such bands/modes tables filling them by hand long before the computer era. Still doing this for major DXpeditions and really surprised of the public excitement of such a simple thing. Will someone prohibit me to print this SSB/CW 160-10 form for the next major operation? NO. W

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread Wayne Mills
FWIW, DXCC wasn't something that the ARRL foisted on unsuspecting hams! It was a product of public demand, and it continued, and continued, and continues to this day. Wayne, N7NG Jackson Hole -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent:

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread KE1F Lou
This band / mode business is not new. I have a booklet, titled :MULTI BAND DXCC "INSTA-GRESS" (Permanent Dx Record for all DX Awards). This booklet is copyrighted in 1981. This is an all paper pencil system, pre-date the Z80 Timex computer. According to the manual pencil entries I worked 148 c

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread KE1F Lou
You are 100% right. DX-ing and contesting is a sport using a radio receiver and a transmitter. Participants making an effort to maximize their score, be it number of countries worked or points scored in a contest. Amateur radio is no longer a training ground for emergency or military commun

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Dave White
Hi Victor I think it's more about whether or not the *published presence* on a website of a 'leader board' encourages people to be more competitive (with all the bad behaviours that competitiveness brings out in some people) and therefore leads to bigger and nastier pileups as some folks have

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
DX Hogs will be DX Hogs no matter what. The idea is that they should not be *encouraged or rewarded* for acting like DX Hogs but publishing a *Leader Board* as if such behavior made the operator a *champion*. I like the idea of replacing the Leaderboard matrix with a flat table that shows each

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - and everything else.

2012-06-06 Thread JIM Abercrombie
This all I've heard for three days. I wish the subject to be changed. If you want to work them once, work them once. If you want to work them 25 times, then do it. - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHA

[DX-CHAT] Radio Club Leader board

2012-06-06 Thread KE1F Lou
We forgot to discuss the benefits of the Radio Club member's standing. Or did we include that to with the comments?:-) 73 Lou KE1F --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the mes

RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O6T

2012-06-06 Thread Charlie Wooten NF4A
H...made a $25 donation before the expedition started and no LOTW for me.and another OQRS donation on top of that! NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the mes

Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O6T

2012-06-06 Thread Scott Manthe
My QSOs showed up in LoTW today, too. I made a _very_ modest donation, so it looks like everyone who donated any amount via the OQRS system can expect their confirmations soon. 73, Scott, N9AA On 6/6/12 8:51 PM, JIM Abercrombie wrote: Received LOTW confirmation today. Yes, I made a $25 dona