Absoutley ZERO reason to start working JA stations on 30M at 0630 ...
They have to know they can work them all day long.AND THEN
to QSX the entire 30M band is a bit much...I would like to know who the
OP is
tonight.
Jose - N4BAA
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Anyone know what transmitting kit or antennas KH8SI are running on 20m? He's a super signal this morning - 10 to 20db over S9 this morning into a 5 ele monobander here in Nottinghamshire. The French chap (called Paul I think) operating this morning is doing a great job, though there are the usual
It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups
this weekend (mostly SSB).
When the DX station says, "The station with 7 in the call, ending in
Germany" why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to
call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why do
Jim!
>>from all over the country
Not exactly... "from all over the world" would be more correct.
This problem started (or should I say got worse) when the
DX-clusters started to show up on Internet.
73/DX de Osten SM5DQC
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From: "Jim Reisert AD1C" <[EMAI
Maybe they started there with the advent of clusters but it has been going
on for ages over here. Some just seem to want to call all the time
regardless.
73,
Charlie, W0YG..>>
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From: "Osten B Magnusson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jim Reisert AD1C" <[EMAIL PROTECTE
Jim:
I and the other ops in C9 earlier this month and part of June had the
same problem, its nothing particular to KH8SI. If I was calling for say
USA or by the numbers only, ops in one country especially would keep
coming back, no matter what I said. If I asked the offending station if
the
I will tell you why Jim.. This morning on 30 meters the op would get a
partial call, say WK7 and would sent that back and then come back to a
completely different call, like JA1ABC or something like that. People now
know that so they just keep calling on top of the other station. It appears
May be it is time to open BLACK LIST,anounce it and put it to Internet.
Then recommend to DX expedition to use it ?
But need to think about how to fill out the list. I'm sure that only
memebers of DX pedition could fill the black list and one call sign
go to black list if it appear in more than 2 D
Well I agree, but! The operator on the DX end is the pack leader. If he permits the bad behavior, then it multiplies. If you're running a pile, and ask for 1s don't take others. If you ask for AD1C, don't take others. If tht doesn't have the desired effect, then pick an out of turner and "bla
The DX just has to be strict about who gets to get through. The
pileup should be held up until WK7 gets to get through, or the DX says
"the whiskey kilo seven please" and is met with silence. Yeah, QSO
rate may plummet, but that's just what has to happen to keep the
pileup in line.
I'm in favor
Ok, guys, here's the word straight from the horse's mouth. The operation here in Montenegro at 4O3T is a mix of very experienced ops and really anyone who wants to come down and help get the new country on. This is deliberate on the organizers' part. How are new people going to learn if they n
Perhaps a little extreme, but I believe the only solution is for the DX
peds to start blacklisting the offenders. Post them on the 'net and
when they send for their card, send a little note saying "sorry."
73,
Barry
Charlie, W0YG wrote:
Maybe they started there with the advent of clusters but
I think long-term blacklisting is too harsh. I don't think that the
people who are calling out of turn are necessarily doing it because
they're bad people. I think it's because they know it increases,
rather than decreases their chance of getting through.
I'm OK with short-term blacklisting tho
Come on guys. This is supposed to be hobby.
The blacklist thing is nonsense. You open yourselves up to
potential lawsuits. Who can say for sure that the "bad" caller is using his real
call.
So, if you want to blacklist someone, just use their
call.
Just look at the spots and announce
I disagree with Linda. When the dx op calls a partial call, then s/he must
keep trying until s/he works the station. This is the only way to control
the pileup. The pileup needs to understand that continuing to call out of
turn will only slow down the qso rate because no other station than the
I am not for blacklisting but it perhaps has its place. That being said, I
would love to discover what really works as nothing I have tried so far
seems to diminish that activity of calling incessantly regardless of who the
DX is coming back to. I have heard of folks who work a station, then j
I totally agree with what Dan says BUT it just doesn't work that way. I
have made plenty of DXpeditions, none to a place I had to stay in a tent in
100+degree weather or wear a jacket so heavy I could barely move. When you
say the CV station only, many guys still call. OK, you say again, the
Upon reflection, I think one of the causes of this behavior, at least on CW,
is because the DX station thinks he must go 45 WPM. Now if that station is
horribly weak, one has difficulty in copying one's call. This promotes
calling out of turn in my opinion.
There is a rush to log as many sta
Why do they do it?
Two reasons:
(1) Some don't know better. They were never shown the ropes, or they've
learned by observing, and unfortunately, they've observed bad examples.
(2) It works. I've been in too many pileups, over the years, where the DX has
said "the Alpha Whiskey" or "the W N
I am remembering Iris Colvin of the
legendary husband and wife DX teamhe on CW she on SSB...
She would respond to a "bad" caller by
telling him "you are zero and zero and not in my log"
73 Norm
K1AA
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From:
Chuck Degard
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Chuck,
While
I agree with you that blacklisting is a little extreme (whether or not extreme
measures are warranted being another issue), I disagre with you that it's pure
competition.
When
the DX calls "CQ" or "QRZ," that's one thing. Free for all, may the best
signal win. Fair enough
If the DX announces he's listening in a range of frequencies, I think in
many instances those who can't find the frequency the DX is listening on
"right now" simply announce their callsign over and over, listening briefly
in between to see if the DX has heard it. After all, the DX is supposedly
t
I agree with Ken. The 4O3T operator on 10 meters the other day called
"N0O", I went back to him right away with my call again. Guess what?
In the time that it took me to give my call again, he was giving somebody
else a 59. I think they need to be more persistent. As you can imagine
the smile
So sad that we see this thread come up with every major top-ten DXpedition.
I *am* in favour of blacklisting but only for a day. "WZ4ZZZ you've
been calling out of turn for 20 minutes now, tail-ending and covering
up the guys I'm trying to work. You're not going in the log today.
Try back tomo
After reading a variety of opinions I felt compelled to add to the mix.
While I have never been on the operating end of a DXpedition, the mere idea
of allowing the entire ham population to call indiscriminately is atrocious.
I am a firm believer in controlling the pile up by a variety of means.
All very interesting comments, especially reading on a break from operating SSB for a few hours so far this evening. So what do you do when someone decides it's great fun to qrm your frequency with heavy breathing and panting? Doesn't happen to you? Gee. Best I could do was keep talking and tha
A few made a good point, it is up to the DX station to control the
pileup. I didn't want to go down that path. But a couple of points
to keep in mind:
- We (the callers) are the many, they (the DXpedition operators) are
the few. They are the ones who have invested the time and money in
get
At 12:26 PM 7/30/2006 -0400, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote:
I'm OK with short-term blacklisting though. A quick "KQ3XX come back
tomorrow, no contact today" is likely fairly effective.
As a "KQ3" type, I'm going to assume (with good humor) that wasn't directed
toward me. HI!!
But it's not all (
At 05:43 PM 07/30/2006, nick cominos wrote:
After reading a variety of opinions I felt compelled to add to the
mix. While I have never been on the operating end of a DXpedition,
the mere idea of allowing the entire ham population to call
indiscriminately is atrocious.
I disagree. Opening it u
At 05:56 PM 07/30/2006, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
Just because WX9QRO calls overtop of everyone, and in frustration
and/or desperation, the DX operator works him to "get him out of the
way" does NOT make it right, and does NOT mean that we have to
follow that example.
To that end it would be ni
At 6:35 PM -0400 7/30/06, Peter Dougherty wrote:
100W, a modest wire, patience, skill and a few handfuls of sunspots
are all that's needed to get one's country count well into the
mid-upper 200s.
Maybe. I have a Hy-Gain DB-1217 at 60' on 17, my favorite band, an
Explorer-14 at 50', plus an A
Help guys... I have a nice plastic cover over my Bencher with my call
engraved in it... Have had it for more years than I would like to admit
to... My son, new general class ham,W5LSU, asked where I got it and I have
gone through the ads in QST and did a Google and I can't find it.
Can you hel
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Chuck Degard wrote:
> Come on guys. This is supposed to be hobby.
>
> The blacklist thing is nonsense. You open yourselves up to potential
> lawsuits. Who can say for sure that the "bad" caller is using his real call.
>
That's a very good point. I was calling in one ver
BINGO, cast my vote in stone or charcoal ... I am for that.
Rod WC7N
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From: "Peter Dougherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jim Reisert AD1C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
At 05:56 PM 07/3
Ok guys I have already seen some chatter about the next group... Like watch
your DX Bulleting Who has the straight poop.
Rod WC7N
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From: "harris_ruben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "dx-chat List"
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KH8SI
A
Is it ok if I ask about a good logging program on here?
If so, I have an old DOS version of HYPERLOG, and I just did a websearch for
hyperlog and looks as if they have gone by the wayside.
I'd like to find a very good program that has these features: will convert all
my Hyperlog data, track IOTA
The guy you probably got it from WB3EVL isn't doing them anymore.
The only guy that I know of that is making them now is Ernesto. He
makes nice covers; but be prepared to be very, very patient.
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5781
73 de Larry W2LJ
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Larry W2LJ
QRP - When you care to sen
Come on Zack, you are up to your ears in that IL cow stuff.
Rod WC7N
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From: "Zack Widup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chuck Degard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Out of turn callers
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Chuck Dega
Listening to Paul, work the gang on 17 meters. What a delight to hear
his staying with a partial call until the entire call makes it into the
log.He stays cool...works simplex till the pile-up builds, then moves
the pile up 5 til it gets too busy then 5 to 10. Always the same
professional de
I can easily keep track of DXCC entities worked since the start of the year.
My goal this year was to work DXCC on CW, SSB and Digital (mostly
RTTY). I've accomplished this, but just barely on RTTY (104 worked).
Out of curiosity, I just checked my band totals:
80m: 42
40m: 93
30m: 59
20m: 128
1
At 08:01 PM 07/30/2006, KA5EJX wrote:
Is it ok if I ask about a good logging program on here?
I will assume there is a website dedicated to comparing various DX
logging programs?
Hi Rod,
What you consider a good logger others would disagree, and it depends
on your level of activity and desir
FWIW,
I have tried DXBase and DX4Win and have thus settled in with DXLAB SUITE
by AA6YQ. Can't beat the cost, it does everything the other two big
names do, is fully customizable, and has features the others don'tI
do agree with Peter, need to assess you desires and go from
thereUpdate
Rod,
I use Logger32 fro day to day logging. Love it! www.logger32.net
I use N1MM for contesting. The best! http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/
Both free!
Gerry
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Boy I hope that guy on 20 CW is for real as I got him right off... Still
booming in here on the southern Oregon coast... Boy sure hope he is for real
as need them on CW.
Rod WC7N
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At 8:43 PM -0400 7/30/06, Peter Dougherty wrote:
At 07:03 PM 07/30/2006, you wrote:
Maybe. I have a Hy-Gain DB-1217 at 60' on 17, my favorite band, an
Explorer-14 at 50', plus an AL 1500 behind it. I worked The
Montenegro easiest on 40 CW with 100W to a rotatable dipole, and I
can barely just
Joe,
Didn't mean to single out your prefix! I did a qrz.com search on
KQ3XX just in case ;-)
My favorite (and this happened a bit on 6m today when it was open to
the Carribean) is this, and I'll be the lid this time... that's safe.
DX: 6 Yankee One Victor QRZed?
DX: Kilo Quebec Three Foxt***NO
On the subject of things that plague DXpeditions... what makes ops
think it's OK to drift the pileup from 5 up to 35 up during the course
of the evening??!?!
I would think even the most inexperienced operators both on the DX
side and the pileup side would know there's something weird about
that.
At 11:46 PM 07/30/2006, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote:
On the subject of things that plague DXpeditions... what makes ops
think it's OK to drift the pileup from 5 up to 35 up during the course
of the evening??!?!
Let me clarify this - that's a CW pileup, NOT PHONE! I really do feel
sorry for the po
You CAN work new DX with nothing. Here I am, at my Summer home, and
I hear KH8SI (55) on my 17M sort-of-inverted-vee that went up
yesterday, and I picked a quiet spot and... worked a new one on 100 w.
The bands ARE open. It's just that no one is on them.
N2ERN
--
No trees were harmed in the
Peter,
I am, of course, referring to the current situation, but he's not the
only time I've heard this. A certain DXpedition to the near-antarctic
on 40m CW was a travesty some nights this way too. I know ops get
caught up in the pileup, but sometimes you've just got to hit the
split reset butt
Gee, only 35 up? As of the time I'm writing this (about 12:30 AM EDT),
he's on 14.022 (and a pretty solid S8 on my G5RV) with guys calling him
all the way up to 14.082. I guess that would be 60 wide, though it
does't look or sound like anyone is calling him below around 14.042, so
I guess he's got
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