Re: [ECOLOG-L] religion RE: [ECOLOG-L] What Can I DO?? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Message from Paul Ehrlich

2011-12-05 Thread Martin Meiss
In addition to the points made by Sarah Frias-Torres, there is this to consider: Wide swaths of Christian conservatives think the end-times are at hand. Those who see environmental degradation as a sign of the end-times are not going to hasten to undo a sign from God. Some progressive

Re: [ECOLOG-L] What Can I DO?? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Message from Paul Ehrlich

2011-12-06 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Rob Hamilton, It seems like you are saying that water vapor is causing global warming. If so, why is the climate getting warmer now? Has the amount of water vapor in the air increased since the industrial revolution? Given that most of the planet's surface is covered with water

Re: [ECOLOG-L] What Can I DO?? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Message from Paul Ehrlich

2011-12-07 Thread Martin Meiss
Robert Hamilton, Your statement implies that we mustn't confuse causes with effects. Fine, but how do we tell what is really going on in phenomena as complex as global climate? I don't see how one can justify an opinion unless actually running a climate model, or subscribing to the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] What Can I DO?? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Message from Paul Ehrlich

2011-12-10 Thread Martin Meiss
Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Meiss Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:37 AM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] What Can I DO?? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Message from Paul

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant Physiology Drought tolerance Re: [ECOLOG-L] course and symposium on plant breeding for drought tolerance

2011-12-20 Thread Martin Meiss
Well, Wayne, wouldn't you consider C4 metabolism to be a form of drought tolerance that doesn't require restriction of biomass production? C4 plants can open their stomata at night, when water loss will be less than during the day, absorb C02 and store it in the C4 molecule. When the sun rises

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant Physiology Drought tolerance Re: [ECOLOG-L] course and symposium on plant breeding for drought tolerance

2011-12-20 Thread Martin Meiss
C4 metabolism (also known as Crassulacean acid metabolism) is accomplished by special biochemical pathways which have their basis in genetics. Since these pathways evolved in some plants, it seems theoretically plausible, however difficult, that various manipulations could cause them to appear in

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant Physiology Drought tolerance Re: [ECOLOG-L] course and symposium on plant breeding for drought tolerance

2011-12-21 Thread Martin Meiss
To Wayne and others: Sorry about the C4/CAM confusion. It has been many years since I have thought about them and I forgot some important distinctions (but it did seem to make the thread come to life). Wayne, in answer to your question regarding this question I put forth: ...Is

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant Physiology Drought tolerance Re: [ECOLOG-L] course and symposium on plant breeding for drought tolerance

2011-12-22 Thread Martin Meiss
science should be done before we squander a lot of grant money on applications of dubious future. It seems that the application cart is getting ahead of the basic science cart . . . WT - Original Message - From: Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Wednesday

Re: [ECOLOG-L] UC-Berkeley and other 'public Iv ies'in fiscal peril

2011-12-28 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Rick, I don't think the answer is that simple. I went to a small, private, liberal arts college from 1970 through 1974 and it cost my father about $3,000 per year for room, board, and tuition. Now it would cost about $42,000, about a 14-fold increase. Inflation, which I'm guessing has

Re: [ECOLOG-L] UC-Berkeley and other 'public Iv ies'in fiscal peril

2011-12-29 Thread Martin Meiss
Ph.D. Professor/PCSU Unit Leader/CESU Director PCSU/CESU/Department of Botany University of Hawaii Manoa - Original Message - From: Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:10 am Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] UC-Berkeley and other 'public Iv ies'in

Re: [ECOLOG-L] UC-Berkeley and other 'public Iv ies'in fiscal peril

2011-12-30 Thread Martin Meiss
(but growing) percentage of students who are slightly less qualified than needier applicants but have the ability to pay the full price. Dawn Stover On Dec 28, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Martin Meiss wrote: Hi, Rick, I don't think the answer is that simple. I went to a small, private, liberal

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Climate Change Models May Vasty Underestimate Extinctions

2012-01-06 Thread Martin Meiss
I have not looked at the original model or report, but the summary statements that were included in the initial posting are troublesome, to whit: ...Their results showed that animals and plants that can adjust to climate change will have a competitive advantage over those that don't... and

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Technological Progress, the Economy, and the Environment

2012-01-17 Thread Martin Meiss
I don't think the point Mr. Czech discusses is quite a trivial truism, since one can point to cases where technological advances can indeed limit the consumption of resources, or otherwise lower environmental impact. For instance, LED lighting uses less engergy than incandescent lighting. Given

Re: [ECOLOG-L] ECOLOGY Slicing and dicing? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Tenure track position at VCU - deadline approaching

2012-03-05 Thread Martin Meiss
Wayne, et al.. Is it possible that institutions are moving away from the term ecology to avoid the onslaught coming from the right wing against ecology, which after all is linked at some level with the environmental movement and there stands in the way of turning the national patrimony

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Digital/electronic set-ups for organizing research?

2012-03-07 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Kevin, For organizing thoughts and/or data that are hierarchical in nature I find Microsoft Word to be quite useful. Yes, you read right: MS-Word, set in outline mode. In this mode Word brings up a special toolbar with convenient tools for increasing and decreasing levels of indentation

Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Meiss
Even if we agree as to what native means, phrases such as native to Texas are problematic, and not just because, as Matt Chew points out, human political constructs vary with time. If a tree is native to one little corner of Texas, then the statement native to Texas applies, but what does it

Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Meiss
to corral. Cordially yours, Tacy Fletcher (uses pseudonym Cayt Fletch on facebook) also tflet...@pnc.edu Fletch From: Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L

Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-21 Thread Martin Meiss
Right-on Chris. I've been thinking about it for a long time and still have not thought of or head of a definition of species that covers all they ways we use the word in biology. But then, it may be a faulty expectation to think we should be able to. Nature is under no obligation to conform to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-23 Thread Martin Meiss
*There is no precise terminology*, and can never be, for many concepts in ecology. The problem is that reality presents us with continua, with gradients without clear boundaries. Physicists who study light, don't, as far as I know, argue about the definition of red; they accept the nature of the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hilton Pond 03/19/12 (Signs Of Early Spring)

2012-04-05 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Bill H. and Ecologers: I accept the scientific evidence that global warming is occurirng, but I think we should be careful about pointing to various warmer-than-usual events and saying, Aha, evidence for global warming! I don't think doing so is statistically valid, and here's an

[ECOLOG-L] Where have all the earthworms gone?

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Meiss
Greetings, Ecologers, This year, in turning my compost and digging my garden beds in Syracuse, NY, I have noticed markedly fewer earthworms than in previous years, and I am wondering of others of you have observed this also. This could be one of those natural, mysterious population fluctuations,

[ECOLOG-L] Where have all the earthworms gone?

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Meiss
-- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com Date: 2012/4/10 Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Where have all the earthworms gone? To: Susannah Woodruff susan...@wyom.net Yeah, it's a reply-all vs. repy-to-sender thing, but I'm not sure of the exact wording because I have my

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Families in Science - Balancing your personal and professional life

2012-04-11 Thread Martin Meiss
One problem not addressed here so far is that science is very competitive for jobs, publication, and grants. Let us imagine two young scientists with similar intelligence and education beginning their careers: Case 1. This person has a spouse who assumes most of the responsibility in the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant/Gall cooling

2012-04-17 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Malia, Depending on the timing of the measurements relative to changes in air temperature and sunlight exposure, such temperature differences are easy to imagine without there being any cooling mechanism. If the gall is a large mass, it will have a much lower surface-to-volume ratio than

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant/Gall cooling

2012-04-17 Thread Martin Meiss
Actually, evaporative cooling does not necessarily bring leaf temperature below ambient temperature. Because the leaf is absorbing light, it may be, say, 10 degrees warmer than the surrounding air. Depending on the details, the evaporative cooling may be able to bring this down only to perhaps 5

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-24 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Ling Huang and other Ecologers, Here where I live in central New York, we have a large wetland call the Montezuma Marsh. It has had nearly half of its over 3,200 acres under management dominated by purple loosestrife, which crowds out other plants and eliminates nesting areas and

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Meiss
How about if we consider that invaders have become native when all efforts to eradicate them are futile? Martin M. Meiss 2012/4/26 David Duffy ddu...@hawaii.edu I feel that competition without a doubt is beneficial, perhaps necessary, for an ecosystem to continue progressing towards a more

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Families in Science - Balancing your personal and professional life

2012-05-01 Thread Martin Meiss
Interesting observations, Robert H., perhaps summed up by the metaphor The best steel goes through the fire. But what does it imply for implementing social policy, or academic policy? Deliberately harsh or downright brutal conditions might be appropriate for training Navy Seals, and tough

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Cemeteries as habitat

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Meiss
While I was doing my thesis research I traveled from Maine to Florida taking pictures of trees. I was specifically interested in open grown crowns whose shape had not been modified by pruning, as city street trees usually are. Not surprisingly, cemeteries were one of my best sources. For many

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bias for positive results in science was Sarewitz on Systematic Error

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Meiss
But Pedro, how do you go about understanding a system without, either formally or informally, generating and testing hypotheses? If I observe that caterpillars are eating daisies and catbirds are eating caterpillars, my mind automatically thinks, Hmm, maybe the catbird population density affects

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Unsustainable sustainability (reply to WT)

2012-07-30 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Matt, I'm not sure how to interpret this line from your post: But it's naive to project our values, preferences and capabilities (maybe even our anatomies and physiologies) into an unknowable future and seek to impose them on our successors. Are you saying that because we can't

[ECOLOG-L] An idea for energy policy

2012-08-24 Thread Martin Meiss
Hello, ecologgers, I recently had an idea which is surely not new, but which I have not heard in the national discussion of US energy policy. Most of us would agree that it is important to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels, which means that we must develop alternative, preferably

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread Martin Meiss
Nicolas, Why would you restrict your interest to the flow of energy, and not include the flow of material, such as a nutrient like fixed nitrogen, or potassium? Martin M. Meiss 2012/9/27 Katharine Miller kmill...@alaska.edu Hi, I wanted to thank everyone for their responses and

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Fwd: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-01 Thread Martin Meiss
It seems to me that saying ecosystem functions are the flow of matter and energy is a coded way of saying that these are the most important things for characterizing ecosystems. As Neahga Leonard pointed out, other systems do these things also, such as stars, volcanoes, oceans, etc.

Re: [ECOLOG-L] FIRE Wildland and Urban Interface Myth or Truth 1 Fire dependent plants?

2012-10-07 Thread Martin Meiss
Wayne, I don't know if this rises to the level of knowledge, but I have often heard that the cones of certain pines won't open to release their seeds unless toasted in a fire. It seems that it would take just the right amount of fire, though, because toasting for too long would surely

Re: [ECOLOG-L] correlation v. causation

2012-10-09 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Shelley, I'm not an epistomologist, philosopher of science, or theory-of-knowledge guy, but I submit that once a correlation between two phenomena is identified, the only thing we can demand in determining which one is causal is that it precede the presumptive effect in time. Of

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Biologists giving back? Ideas needed

2012-11-01 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Wendee, Although I have a PhD in evolutionary biology, I've never worked as a biologist after graduate school. I had some good reasons for a career change (to software engineering) but I still have some regrets for never having contributed to the growth of biological knowledge, and in

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Is there a Water Quality Index for lakes?

2012-11-05 Thread Martin Meiss
2012/11/5 Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com Howdie, Ecologers, As others have pointed out, based on their knowledge of ecology, using a single axis (good, fair, poor) to evaluate ecosystems is inherently flawed. I would extend this to say that it is inherently flawed for mathematical

Re: [ECOLOG-L] terrarium/aquarium expts for a spring Pop/Com Ecology course

2012-11-14 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Danielle, One old-standby aquarium experiment is reproductive rate and competition among floating plants. You can use various species of duck weed (*Lemna, Wolfia*) liverwort (*Riccia*) and ferns (*Azolla, Salvinia*) and vary light levels, temperature, etc. You could also test the affect of

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Eco-exploitation

2013-01-11 Thread Martin Meiss
2013/1/11 Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com Hi, Jon, Without regard to permaculture or any other particular field, what do you mean by stealing an idea? Once research is published, the ideas belong to everyone. Patenting and copyrighting protect certain uses of certain types of idea

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Tree stump removal in sensitive area

2013-01-17 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Scott, Depending on the tree's rooting system, specifically whether it has a tap root, you might be able to do most of the ax work while standing on the stump, if the sawyers can leave you a nice flat stump about a foot high or lower. I have heard that you can accelerate

Re: [ECOLOG-L] wildlife crossing sign design?

2013-03-12 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Brett, Unfortunately, I can't help you with sign design, but it would be neat if you got a couple of seasons of road-kill data before you put the signs up. That way you could conduct a before-and-after study and see if the signs actually do any good, or with enough time and data,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] video of an ongoing locust swarm in Madagascar

2013-03-28 Thread Martin Meiss
I wonder if that landscape shown in the video is former rainforest. I saw on a nature program recently that Madagascar has lost 80 percent of its original forest cover. It's not hard to believe that could have something to do with locust population dynamics. Martin M. Meiss 2013/3/28 David

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Exclusive homosexuality

2013-03-28 Thread Martin Meiss
Here are what I see as some problems with the idea that homosexuality in humans is rooted in the genetics of kin selection, as proposed earlier in this thread. 1. Suppose an individual is born with a mutation that makes him/her inclined to homosexuality and to avoid reproduction. If this

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Exclusive homosexuality

2013-03-28 Thread Martin Meiss
of an individuals gender) a heritable trait? Just a thought. Patrick Mears On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com wrote: Here are what I see as some problems with the idea that homosexuality in humans is rooted in the genetics of kin selection, as proposed earlier

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Exclusive homosexuality

2013-03-28 Thread Martin Meiss
explanation. Mitch Cruzan On 3/28/2013 10:42 AM, Martin Meiss wrote: Here are what I see as some problems with the idea that homosexuality in humans is rooted in the genetics of kin selection, as proposed earlier in this thread. 1. Suppose an individual is born with a mutation that makes him

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Arguments for Native Plants

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Meiss
This may be a little off from where this thread has lead, but it relates to native vs. non-native plants for landscaping: *1.* Just because a plant evolved in a certain place or habitat, and is presumably adapted to that place, does not mean that it won't do BETTER somewhere else. And I'm not

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Information sharing and communication clarity WISHES

2013-05-28 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Wayne, et al. On the first point, we reduce the mail load a bit when people respond directly, and we don't lose much if the initial querier then posts a summary (although this may at times reduce some valuable give-and-take that posters' responses elicit from other posters).

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plagiarizing methods...

2009-06-07 Thread Martin Meiss
I think we're losing sight of an important idea here. In literature, movies, song lyrics, etc. it is the wording that his protected by copyright, not the ideas. Only Tammy Wynette can stand by your man without paying royalties, but anyone can sing about loyalty. On the other hand, what

Re: [ECOLOG-L] real versus fake peer-reviewed journals

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Meiss
I find this exchange very interesting, and it points up a major problem caused by the burgeoning of scientific knowledge and the limitations of the individual. As scientists, we believe (have faith) that the scientific method is the best means of arriving at truth about the natural world.

Re: [ECOLOG-L] real versus fake peer-reviewed journals

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Meiss
Mr. Hamazaki's example, whether it is accurate or not, illustrates one of my points. Just to get by in our professional lives, scientists must have faith in the social institutions, such as peer review, that we have created. And yet we all know that social institutions are inherently

Re: [ECOLOG-L] real versus fake peer-reviewed journals

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Meiss
else's work simply because that work made it into a journal, and that work proves to be in error, you are essentially shooting yourself in the foot down the road. --j Martin Meiss wrote: I find this exchange very interesting, and it points up a major problem caused by the burgeoning

Re: [ECOLOG-L] SCIENCE as intellectual discipline An open discussion Authority Is it compatible with science?

2009-07-11 Thread Martin Meiss
or myself. Martin Meiss' most fundamental (no pun intended) point seemed to be: . . . we should be looking for something better than Does this have the stamp of approval of people who think like I do? We should be looking for something that is not just an encodement of Does this violate

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Announcing CAMFRED: The Campaign for Real Editing

2009-07-13 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Sarah, The experience you report has greater value than that of entertainment, because it raises some issues for further discussion. 1. The academic/scientific publishing process does not follow the familiar rules of a for-profit business. Imaging walking into a bank to make a

Re: [ECOLOG-L] How to lick a slug (from NYT)

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Meiss
technology similar to what was used to fake the dinosaurs in Jurassic park. Martin Meiss 2009/8/4 David Inouye ino...@umd.edu http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/opinion/02kristof.html?_r=1scp=1sq=how%20to%20lick%20a%20slugst=cse How to Lick a Slug Published: August 1, 2009 MOUNT HOOD

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Model Fitting and Data Quality

2010-12-04 Thread Martin Meiss
of this level of subjectivity? Martin Meiss 2010/12/4 William Silvert cien...@silvert.org An interesting aspect of this story is that Kepler's decision to accept the accuracy of Tycho's data was based on his subjective evaluation of the quality of the data. The idea that we can drive all

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Intellectual and anti-intellectual society

2010-12-07 Thread Martin Meiss
I would define an intellectual as one who loves the life of the mind. This person need not be particularly intelligent, but merely derive pleasure from pondering issues in theology, art, history, philosophy, science, etc. If this same person also loves, say, team sports, his/her appreciation

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Defining biodiversity, and does the term capture the public's attention?

2010-12-14 Thread Martin Meiss
If you want to appeal to a broad spectrum of the U.S. public, any phrase with diversity in it has been poisoned by wingnuts. It raises the haunting spectre of being forced to rub shoulders with people of undesirable race, ethnicity, sexual preference, social standing, state of health, funny

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Defining biodiversity, and does the term capture the public's attention?

2010-12-14 Thread Martin Meiss
Despite the apparent cynicism of my earlier post on this thread, I would like to accept Wayne T's optimism that the public can be brought to an understanding of biodiversity that is more sophisticated than a mere species list. However, in one sense this is opening a Pandora's box. When

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Defining biodiversity, and does the term capture the public's attention?

2010-12-16 Thread Martin Meiss
Just in case you missed it, be sure to check out Andrew Yost's post on a parallel thread addressing this same topic. He gives the history of term biodiversity and quotes some authors with very interesting insights. Now for my one-fiftieth of a dollar: I think it is futile and wrong

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Defining Biodiversity

2010-12-17 Thread Martin Meiss
This thread contains statements of the kind that I think get us in trouble, if not with the public, then with our scientific rigor. Axel Ringe's post begins with what looks like an inclusion from a previous post with this statement ...one metaphor for biodiversity that I remember was the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Meiss
Warren, your list of human interventions in nature leaves out one of the most important: rape. The slaughter of the buffalo, deforestation followed by abandonment, etc. Martin 2011/1/18 Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net The terms conservation and gardening do not cover the full range

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Conservation or just gardening?

2011-01-28 Thread Martin Meiss
I would add that gardening is directed toward different goals than conservation or restoration. The gardener wants to produce beauty, food, or some other harvestable product. Also, gardening is almost invariably based on plant varieties that have been in domestication for a long time, sometimes

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hypothesis Testing in Ecology

2011-02-28 Thread Martin Meiss
I'm not sure I understand Manuel's distinction between statistical hypootheses and scientific hypothesis. Is not the former supposed in some way to mathematically embody/parameterize the latter? But in any case, it seems to me that it is often hard to rigorously formulate a null

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hypothesis Testing in Ecology

2011-03-08 Thread Martin Meiss
I am amazed by Pat Swain's statements implying that unless a program of work includes formal hypothesis testing, it's not even research. (...I think that pure survey of a property for species (making a list of all the species of some taxonomic group) encountered isn't research..., ...some of the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hypothesis Testing in Ecology

2011-03-08 Thread Martin Meiss
near water hazards, we can put wide confidence intervals on our graphs. Martin 2011/3/8 mcnee...@cox.net Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com wrote: I am amazed by Pat Swain's statements implying that unless a program of work includes formal hypothesis testing, it's not even

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hypothesis Testing in Ecology: Precision is what makes it valuable

2011-03-09 Thread Martin Meiss
for the researcher who naively makes observations and gathers data without specifically looking for anything in particular. Martin Meiss 2011/3/9 Paul Grogan grog...@queensu.ca Hi, I am fascinated by the varying use of hypotheses in ecology, and have been following the recent emails

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hypothesis Testing in Ecology

2011-03-09 Thread Martin Meiss
or sub-field matures, or as society's needs change, but there's still room for everyone. I think this is especially true when we consider how new information technology can get more data before more people, even data that were gathered a hundred years ago. Martin Meiss 2011/3/9

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Disseminating scientific thought to the general public: are scientists making science readily accessible?

2011-04-11 Thread Martin Meiss
It seems to me that some contributors to this thread are being naive about how journalism and news coverage influence public opinion. There seems to be a consensus that people, in general, make up their minds about things based on logic, understanding of facts, and reliable sources. This

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Disseminating scientific thought to the general public: are scientists making science readily accessible?

2011-04-12 Thread Martin Meiss
Something weird is happening on this thread. The original post related to how scientists should communicate their research results to the general public. The implicit assumption behind this question is that communication with the public is *not the same as* communication among scientist

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Rhetorical question on trees

2011-04-13 Thread Martin Meiss
It's probably more reasonable to think of the soil-building properties of leaves (and other things that fall out of trees, like twigs, fruit, bird poop, etc.) at the level of the forest rather than at the level of the individual tree. After all, leaves don't fall straight down, and after

Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-15 Thread Martin Meiss
A long time ago, when I was learning about plant ecotypes, I heard of research on the adaptation of plants to high lead levels found in piles of mine tailings. If I remember correctly, local races of plants were forming that were able to adapt to toxic soils. This raises these questions:

Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-20 Thread Martin Meiss
not? Is it as simple as semipermeable membranes, whether or not they are soluble and under what conditions? Is something going on in the rhizosphere that evades some analytical procedures? WT - Original Message - From: Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent

Re: [ECOLOG-L] TWS website design...Anyone familiar with JOOMLA?

2011-05-16 Thread Martin Meiss
Here's the link to the Joomla website, with links to their documentation: http://docs.joomla.org/ Hope this helps. MMM 2011/5/16 V. Tilden ginnypep...@comcast.net Hi! I represent the PA chapter of TWS (The Wildlife Society). We recently switched board members and our new Webmaster

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Communication Science to Public Plant Roots

2011-05-20 Thread Martin Meiss
Well, I can't say what the narrator was basing his/her statement upon, but it can be justified. Roots are, for the most part, programmed to grow downward (positive geotropism), and in many if not most soil environments, water is more abundant at lower levels. Thus, growing downward means growing

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant roots matter Re: [ECOLOG-L] Communication Science to Public Plant Roots

2011-05-27 Thread Martin Meiss
While we're on the topic of the public being exposed to junk science, consider these other common areas of misconception: Most of us were taught a misleading version of how the greenhouse affect is purported to work, and most people cannot explain the concept of relative humidity without straying

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant roots matter Re: [ECOLOG-L] Communication Science to Public Plant

2011-05-31 Thread Martin Meiss
When you consider the timing of observations of root position relative to available water, the situation can be even more confusing. When conditions in the soil are favorable to do so (say, during a rainy season) roots may grow deep, passing through soil that will later not support the growth of

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science Communication to the nonscience population Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant roots matter Re: [ECOLOG-L] Communication Science to Public Plant Roots

2011-06-01 Thread Martin Meiss
? - Original Message - From: David L. McNeely mcnee...@cox.net To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plant roots matter Re: [ECOLOG-L] Communication Science to Public Plant Roots Martin Meiss mme...@gmail.com wrote: While we're

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Know any great plant places for our botanical/ecology-focused roadtrip?

2011-06-28 Thread Martin Meiss
Here are two places you could consider: 1. Fire Island National Seashore, which is on a barrier island south of Long Island, New York. It has a unique habitat call the Sunken Forest. This forest is composed of a very odd mixture of tree species: Tupelo, sassafras, holly, and service berry, with

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Wildlife management Captive permits proposal

2011-07-04 Thread Martin Meiss
I don't think chip implantation is practical for little animals like poison dart frogs and many aquarium fish. Also, I'm not sure implantation would work well in arthropods (many hobbyists keep tarantulas and scorpions). Martin M. Meiss 2011/7/3 Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net All: This is not

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Suggestions wanted: world's weirdest plants

2011-08-16 Thread Martin Meiss
If I may have another go at it: 1. How about the duckweeds, especially *Wolfia*, because it is so small and featureless (like grains of sand). 2. Bladderworts, because of the neat way they trap arthropods, and because they have aquatic and terrestrial species. 3. The aquatic floating ferns, like

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Monarch butterfly migration status

2011-09-30 Thread Martin Meiss
Hi, Paul, David, et al., Paul's informal survey is quite interesting to me, not only because of the subject of monarchs, and the landscapes from a part of the country I am not familiar with, but also because of its implications for informal research. One issue is inferences that may or

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Fungi and light

2010-02-23 Thread Martin Meiss
? Do they need light so bad they make their own? ;-) Martin Meiss 2010/2/22 Joshua Villa joshuavi...@gmail.com As far as I know fungi, like basidiomycetes, show positive phototropism (growing toward the light source), but don't necessarily need sunlight in their lifecycle for growth

Re: [ECOLOG-L] the most intermediate hosts?

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Meiss
Any suggestions as to how and why such a complex lifecycle evolved? Could it have been a series of opportunistic terminal additions that got locked in somehow? Martin M. Meiss 2010/3/23 Lien Luong l...@psu.edu The trematode, Halipegus ovocaudatus, a parasite of amphibians has four

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Petition to protect Lake Baikal

2010-03-26 Thread Martin Meiss
I assume it is a case of viewing an academic degree as the easiest way of assessing knowledge and status. Of course, there are many flaws with this system: successful academicians can be nitwits and frauds, and people without certain diplomas make contributions to society that far outshine those

Re: [ECOLOG-L] EcoTone: Fire ant decapitating flies take hold in Florida, one head at a time

2010-04-01 Thread Martin Meiss
An interesting report, but it seems to me that there are some problems. For instance, this wording at the included link does not reflect my understanding of insect metamorphosis: ... Over the next couple of weeks, the egg hatches and the larva migrates to the ant’s head. The ant behaves

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Earthworms

2010-05-03 Thread Martin Meiss
Repeated freezing and thawing (i.e., the formation and destruction of ice crystals in the soil), other burrowing organisms, and the growth and subsequent rotting in-place of plant roots all help keep soil loose in zones where the cold excludes earthworms. Martin Meiss 2010/5/3

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Extra-terrestrial Species

2010-05-07 Thread Martin Meiss
I think someone is being to bio-centric with the word species. It does not apply only to the living world. Chemists can refer to a molecule as being of a certain chemical species. It seems to me that if the alien beings are not all identical, they must be amenable of

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Need advice on Interaction Networks between herbivorous insects and woody plants using the R package bipartite

2010-05-10 Thread Martin Meiss
that hang on tight, fly away, or resent having their branch whacked? And while you're dealing with these issues, who's going to be feeding the perhaps many thousands of specimens in their individual containers and recording the their behavior, growth, and mortality? Martin Meiss

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Meiss
C'mon, Bill S, It sounds like you're advocating rational policy based on case-by-case evaluation with regard to consensus values. Where ya gonna get with that? Martin Meiss 2010/5/11 William Silvert cien...@silvert.org Although Jim Crants in a later post raised

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Meiss
So, Mr. Patton, if you could, would you re-introduce smallpox and polio? It took nature millions of years to get them working properly on the human population. Martin Meiss 2010/5/12 Jan Ygberg jygb...@gmail.com Humans are not part of nature? No wonder the planet is sick

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Meiss
Really, Mr. Roper (the formality is to avoid confusion between the two Jims)? You would favor removal of such exotics from North America as wheat, apples, oranges, horses, cattle, goats, pigs, and honeybees? Wouldn't you settle for trying to keep them from running wild, rather than eliminating

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?

2010-05-25 Thread Martin Meiss
I'd like to address a number of points raised in this interesting thread: 1. People seem to assume that all early humans were religious and/or superstitious and only much later developed the rational and logical process that led to science as we know it. Maybe early humans (with their larger

Re: [ECOLOG-L] The Real Point of Research?

2010-05-26 Thread Martin Meiss
A good question, Patrick. Why not apply it to other realms of endeavor? For instance, what is the point of serving others as much as possible? Is this the only way of making the world a better place? Everyone serving everyone else is like everyone doing everyone else's laundry; wouldn't it be

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Question about greenhouse management

2010-07-01 Thread Martin Meiss
of the tunnels open for ventilation. Hope this helps. Martin Meiss 2010/7/1 Merran pantscr...@gmail.com Hi all, I'm a first-time poster with a need for advice. I am working in the Utah Rockies this summer doing revegetation and have been placed in charge of a small greenhouse

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Crayfish

2010-07-20 Thread Martin Meiss
to it, though I don't know from how far away. Martin Meiss 2010/7/19 Inigo Howlett inigowalkerhowl...@gmail.com I have been chosen to give a talk to the volunteer friends of a local wildlife refuge on the subject of Crayfish. They're fairly common here in tidewater virginia, but so far, I

[ECOLOG-L] Need advice on digital microscope

2010-08-03 Thread Martin Meiss
Howdie, Ecologers, I'd like some advice on a digital microscope. The company *American Science and Surplus* (http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm/category/43) is selling a digital microscope for $230.00. Here is their product picture and ad copy (with the blue background): [image: LCD

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Hotter than blue blazes

2010-08-11 Thread Martin Meiss
One of the best ways to beat the heat is shade. Thus, if the discomfort leads the citizens of the area to plant more shade trees, shade-tree species will benefit. Oaks and maples work fine, but so do dozens of other species. Martin Meiss 2010/8/10 Geoffrey Patton gwpatt

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Aspect

2010-08-13 Thread Martin Meiss
instead of individual leaves). I think it would be useful if you went out to your favorite northern boulder with some data-logging sensors and took some long-term readings. I hope this helps. Martin Meiss 2010/8/13 Mark Wilson slugecol...@gmail.com Hi folks, I

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Powdermill Nature Reserve important!!

2010-08-27 Thread Martin Meiss
Dear Mr. McCallum, I can well understand why you would hate to see a nature reserve despoiled by drilling, but perhaps there is an important scientific opportunity here to affect decisions about drilling in the whole Marcellus Shales region and beyond. Has the research conducted at the

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