Re: Summer courses

2000-06-11 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Sandra wrote: I'm a PhD student (2nd year). Do you know if there are any summer courses in statistics? Useful answers might differ depending on whether the respondent thought you were studying for a Ph.D. in statistics (and hence would be seeking statistics courses of

Re: An interesting (I hope) problem

2000-06-12 Thread Donald Burrill
If I understand correctly, the question asks the required sample size out of the 50 (or so) objects in the box. Unless some probability is, at least implicitly, specified, I do not see that this is a statistical question. To be certain whether the "outside" object has a composition that

Re: how to figure

2000-06-14 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, dennis roberts wrote: what approach would one take ... or approaches ... if the question you wanted to address was: in what sport ... say at the collegiate level ... is it most likely that an underdog opponent can knock off or beat ... the favorite? baseball,

Re: Expected a-posteriori estimation for factor scores?

2000-06-14 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Kumara Sastry wrote: Suppose I have two random variates X,Y following normal distribution, X = N(u1,v1) Y = N(u1-u2, v1(1-z)) where u1 is the mean and v1 is the variance. u2 u1 and z ranges between 0-0.95. Is there an analytical expression for the covariance of X

Re: Non Linear Regression, estimation of parameters for Richards , Growth Curve

2000-06-15 Thread Donald Burrill
1-b*exp(-c*t) is negative only if b*exp(-c*t) 1, which implies log(b) c*t, I think. Is this a reasonable circumstance in terms of the theory that led to the Richards growth curve? You say this occurs frequently in your data; since b and c are presumably constants for a given data set,

Re: Beginner requests for help on ANOVA and T-tests

2000-06-15 Thread Donald Burrill
I've not seen any particularly helpful responses to this post, so here's my attempt: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am a 16 year old student and a beginner to statistics. I'm lost. I'll assume you have access to some standard elementary statistics textbook. If this

Re: Q: conditional probability

2000-06-16 Thread Donald Burrill
Don't know as I can help much, but a few questions occur to mind. It strikes me that there may be some constraints on the system that you haven't mentioned. For example: 1. Are features L and R mutually exclusive, so that if L is found at position i, R cannot be found at that

Re: power analysis for the log-rank test to prove equivalence

2000-06-16 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, in reply to Bernd Genser's query Does anybody know how to calculate the sample size needed to prove EQUIVALENCE, not difference of two treatments concerning survival data (log-rank test, cox regression). Robert Dawson wrote: Infinite? The only situation

Re: differences between groups/treatments ?

2000-06-19 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Donal wrote: I'm currently analysing data resulting from a study of children's reading ability. I shall resist the temptation to quibble over your inability to observe reading ability (as distinct from some indeterminate lower bound on that ability) ... As you

Re: differences between groups/treatments ?

2000-06-20 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Murtagh wrote: Firstly, thank you for your comments. Am I right in saying that the two (equivalent) options I have are: 1.ANOVA Yijk = mew + Ai + Bj + ABij + Eijk Ai: a fixed factor representing the treatments (2 levels) Bj: a fixed factor representing

Re: differences between groups/treatments ?

2000-06-20 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Rich Ulrich wrote: On 19 Jun 2000 18:01:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dónal Murtagh) wrote: ... Firstly, thank you for your comments. Am I right in saying that the two (equivalent) options I have are: These are not quite equivalent options since the first one

Re: Rates and proportions

2000-06-21 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Dale Berger wrote: If we observe one escape out of 1250 inmates, why can't we reliably rule out zero as the population escape rate? Because k = 1 (for n = 1250) is not significantly different from k = 0. The normal approximation to the binomial may not be appropriate

Re: Rates and proportions

2000-06-22 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Dale Berger wrote: Yet, p=0 is a special case where an outcome is impossible. A reasonable confidence interval for p should not include zero if the outcome has been observed in a sample. Not so? I am unable to reconcile this assertion with the fact that the only

Re: samples with no preference in it

2000-06-23 Thread Donald Burrill
Sig, if you really want help, your request ought to be accompanied by a legitimate e-mail address. There's really no point in trying to reply to you when it's evident that any such reply will not get to you: sig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Invalid indeed! (Some sort of sick joke?) On Thu, 22

Re: ANOVA, Robustness, and Power

2000-06-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Alex Yu wrote (slightly edited): ANOVA is said to be robust against assumption violations when the sample size is large. However, when the sample size is huge, it tends to overpower the test and thus the null may be falsely rejected. Which is a lesser evil? Your

Re: Is it possible

2000-06-23 Thread Donald Burrill
An elementary problem that should be discussed in adequate detail in your textbook. Consult it. On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rahat Bokhari wrote: Data for two indenedent variables let for X and Y is available as below: For Variable X Mean = 5.61SD= 0.68 For Varable Y Mean =

Re: Multivariate Data Analysis

2000-06-25 Thread Donald Burrill
There is only one object in question? Or will you later want to generalize your method to other objects? The object is presumably 3-dimensional. What then are the two coordinates that you call x and y ? How are they defined with respect to the object? (I presume they are not defined in

Re: Dice Problem

2000-06-29 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, GEORGE PERKINS wrote: Recently a colleague came in the office with the following problem: Is there a way to 'load' two individual die so that all sums will be equally likely? (I take it that they would like to load the die in such a way that the sum of 2 is

Re: convolution question

2000-06-30 Thread Donald Burrill
On 30 Jun 2000, Gautam Sethi wrote: i wrote a little code in matlab that figures out the density of z = x*y where x and y are both uniformly distributed. in the code i wrote, x and y are distributed over the same range and my results show a funky looking triangular distribution with the

Re: cubic regression

2000-07-01 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Bob Hayden wrote: Tom Moore asked... Does anyone know of a good example of cubic regression that you'd be willing to share? and Bob replied with an example. Here's another; Bob, would you forward it to Tom, as I don't have his address? As I vaguely recall, I found

Re: Ancova question

2000-07-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Miguel Verdu wrote: In an ANCOVA where covariate interacts with the independent variable, should the covariate be nested within the independent variable?. I would appreciate bibliographic references on this matter. In general, interaction can be observed only if the

Re: cubic regression

2000-07-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Paul Velleman wrote: I'm not real comfortable with a polynomial model that takes nearly half the available degrees of freedom and offers no theoretical motivation. "Comfortable" is not a word that much occurs to mind in the context of polynomial models. From the

Re: cubic regression

2000-07-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, dennis roberts wrote: interesting but ... 3 questions: 1. how can the r squared for the best model be 100% when, the errors are not all 0s? R-sq is not 100% exactly, it is reported as 100.0%. Examining the SS reported shows that R-sq = 3361.7/3361.9 = 99.994%,

Re: Dependent ordinal data

2000-07-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 Robert Németh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody please advise me in the following problem: I have a summary score consisting of 5 different items, which are definitely not independent from each other. By "summary score", do you mean you are using as a dependent

Re: freeware for DOEs?

2000-07-04 Thread Donald Burrill
On 4 Jul 2000, Brian A Bucher wrote: Is there a freeware (or cheap, $200) software package that can setup and analyze factorial designs and do response surface analyses? I looked at the "R" software and I couldn't find references to factorial designs or response surface anywhere. Doesn't

Re: 'Components of chi square'

2000-07-06 Thread Donald Burrill
I don't have an answer to Alan's question, but a description of another technique in trying to perceive what a contingency table might be trying to tell one. Like Alan, I have not seen this mentioned in textbooks; OTOH, I wouldn't expect to, because I think it analogous to post-hoc tests in

Re: Skewness: is 1 Normal? Says Who?

2000-07-07 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, John Nash wrote (to the AERA-D list): Many of us operate under the following assumption: For |skewness coefficient| 1, data is considered to be normally distributed. Well. A normal distribution has skewness = 0; but I presume you know that. Skewness only

Re: hierarchical linear modeling?

2000-07-07 Thread Donald Burrill
Hi, Karen! Interesting problem. You mention students (each of which has made a variable multiplicity of ratings on professors), and professors (each of which has received a variable multiplicity of ratings from students). You do not mention courses. Are all these ratings for a single

Re: bivariate normality and correlation

2000-07-10 Thread Donald Burrill
An interesting reflection -- a form of metamorphosis? On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Znarf Akfak wrote: I'm considering reporting To whom, for what purpose(s) ? The "several bivariate associations" part rather suggests that you'll want to be making comparisons, implicitly if not explicitly; and

Re: Recommendation?

2000-07-12 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Michael Atherton wrote in part: ... If you do not believe this is true, please refer to the attached bibliography. I take it this refers to the MSWord document, which was not attached but embedded in the mail message. It's annoying enough to receive attachments that are

Re: bivariate normality and correlation

2000-07-12 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Znarf Akfak wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald Burrill) wrote: To whom, for what purpose(s) ? The "several bivariate associations" part rather suggests that you'll want to be making comparisons, implicitly if not explicitly; and even if you don'

RE: Why quote *both* Odds Ratio and Chi^2 ?

2000-07-17 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Simon, Steve, PhD wrote in part: I have a bad joke about statistical software. I mention a certain software package and say that it is so wonderful. The best part is that it allows you to run ten different tests of the same hypothesis and then you can pick the test

Re: regression books?

2000-07-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Christopher Tong wrote: Does anyone have recommendations for introductory books on regression analysis? I posted this question on sci.stat.math and got only one reply so far. Depends on where you're coming from and where you want to go, inter alia. Your e-mail

Re: interaction effects

2000-07-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Mike Hewitt wrote (edited): I am looking for assistance in interpreting results of a study. ... I performed a GLM-repeated measures with three factors (modeling, self-listening, self-evaluation) in addition to a repeated measure (test). There was a significant

Re: regression books?

2000-07-27 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Christopher Tong wrote, in response to my comment: However, there is some evidence that in statistics (perhaps more than in most disciplines) there is a strong interaction between writing style and reading style, especially at introductory levels; and perhaps

Re: how to analyse variance

2000-08-01 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, auda wrote: What kind of procedure should I use to compare the varience between different experimental groups? Well, that depends on a number of things: e.g., whether you wish to test a hypothesis, or produce a confidence interval; whether differences in the means

Re: Statistical Test for Biasing

2000-08-01 Thread Donald Burrill
It's hard to tell just what you have in mind. For one thing, it is not clear that "bias" is well-defined in the situation you describe, nor whether you are using the term in a technical or a colloquial sense. The responses I have seen have addressed some possible meanings you may have

Re: Statistical Test for Biasing

2000-08-01 Thread Donald Burrill
Sorry -- my earlier reply was interrupted by someone attempting to use the telephone line. On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Terry Chan wrote: I have numbers (arranged in a 2x2 contingency table - smokers/nonsmokers, respiratory disease/no disease) for our study population (of about 1,000). I also

Re: familywise error

2000-08-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Rich Ulrich wrote: I have a question of my own - I think FAMILY is not, in general, the same as EXPERIMENT. [Thanks to Jerry Dallal for that lovely quote from Rupert Miller!] I have always understood "experimentwise" to refer to post hoc multiple comparisons carried out

Re: t-test normality assumption

2000-08-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, chris (who, from his e-mail address, clearly does not desire a personal response) wrote: I have a doubt as to what is the assumption for normality in a t-test. Two possibilities: These may perhaps not exhaust the universe of discourse. I think it is for the sample

Re: Ensuring confidentiality

2000-08-03 Thread Donald Burrill
On 3 Aug 2000, DavidS9307 wrote: I would like to collect data in a school on a survey form where the respondents enter only a code number to identify themselves. I would like the code number to be something that the participants will be able to remember for follow-up data collection in

Re: ensuring confidentiality (fwd)

2000-08-05 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, dennis roberts wrote: At 09:59 AM 8/4/00 -0400, Bob Hayden wrote, replying to Peter Lewycky: I've yet to meet an (adult) respondent who did not know his mother's maiden name and her birthdate. :) We must meet sometime!-) can i come too? i remember her maiden name

Re: t-test normality assumption

2000-08-06 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Gates, Christopher [OMP] wrote: Donald, thank you so much for your response. I had the opportunity to converse with my friend (HOH) on this matter again, and his explanation seemed to closely follow yours, or at least that's how I see it. I guess the bottom line for

Re: Histogram for discrete probability distribution

2000-08-09 Thread Donald Burrill
Sounds as though you are confusing a couple of things, as some of the responders to your message have suggested (though none has said it explicitly). The idea of "area under a curve" applies to a continuous curve, and thus to continuous distributions. It doesn't make sense for discrete

Re: Histogram for discrete probability distribution

2000-08-09 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, dennis roberts wrote in part: [You could use] dotplots ... snip, some commentary about dot plots [or] a simple old fashioned [character-graphics] histogram ... Histogram of C1 N = 36 MidpointCount 1.5006 ** 2.000

Re: Proper way to correct for multiple comparisons

2000-08-11 Thread Donald Burrill
While Dave Howell and Bruce Weaver are technically correct with respect to simple effects, I am not so certain that simple effects adequately represent your hypothesis. You write, "The hypothesis is that harder logic will produce a larger DV than easy logic, but this will not

Re: Statistical- or correlation- or .... analysis of data ?

2000-08-13 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, AJ wrote: I'm having trouble in choosing the right method to analyse a large dataset. I have N data, consisting of measured responses fn(t) all of the same length T. This sounds as though you have a N-by-T data matrix: N cases or observations (as rows in the

Re: Histogram for discrete probability distribution

2000-08-14 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Alexander Bogomolny wrote, inter alia: ... If there were alternative definitions, a discussion would be interesting. At the time of my first post, I was aware only of a single definition that was found in two mathematics dictionaries and a statistics book. This is

Student fears (was: Histograms etc.)

2000-08-15 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, dennis roberts wrote in part: why don't students get scared blue with intro psy ... or intro geography? With respect to psych: Because they haven't yet found out what John Kemeny wrote about psychology 40 years ago: The only reason psych students don't have to do more

Re: Point vs. Interval estimation

2000-08-15 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Sheila King wrote in part: I guess what I really want to know is this: What should I say to my students about the text book's presentation. I suppose I can simply say: "The book is not really clear on this point, and confuses things by including ME in the section on

Re: Simulating Integer Scores

2000-08-17 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Chris Chiu wrote: Does anyone happen to know of a way to generate integers that have a normal distribution or a distribution close to a normal distribution? Well, integers cannot have a _normal_ distribution, they can only have a distribution that is more or less well

Re: testing if classifier accuracy differs significantly

2000-08-19 Thread Donald Burrill
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Re: testing if classifier accuracy differs significantly

2000-08-19 Thread Donald Burrill
Sorry about that. Someone else tried to call out on the phone line I was logged in on. What I was trying to say was: Two different strategies occur to mind, both of which might I suppose be implemented severally: 1. I suppose your image is a rectangular array of pixels, so that each

Re: Which statistical test?

2000-08-20 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, jkroger wrote: Hello, I am trying to determine a statistical difference, but am having some difficulty determining what test should be used. There are competent statisticians at your university, and I believe they operate a statistical consulting service. You would do

Re: Which statistical test?

2000-08-22 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, jkroger wrote in part: I want to show that in some conditions, the difference between the length of A's response and B's response is greater than in other conditions: duration(A) - duration(B) is significantly greater in some conditions. I tried a t-test for each

Re: Plotting Distribution!!!

2000-08-22 Thread Donald Burrill
For openers, you're going to have to describe your problem with a good deal more precision, in order for anyone to provide any kind of useful help. On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Veeral Patel wrote: I have a data whose histogram has a unique distribution exhibited by it. I am trying to fit

Re: within group agreement for nominal/ordinal data

2000-08-23 Thread Donald Burrill
Clarification(s), please: On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Ken Reed wrote: I'm trying to test whether a variable measures a group-level property, and so I'm looking for an analog to eta-squared, intra-class correlation etc for nominal or ordinal data. Do you have a particular group-level property in

Re: SAT: interval or ordinal scale?

2000-08-27 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, William Levine wrote: I am teaching an Introduction to Statistics course in psychology, and in class the other day, I brought up the issue that SAT scores and IQ scores may not really be interval scales. Mmm. Well, Bill, if they aren't "really" interval scales, what

Re: transforming ratios

2000-08-27 Thread Donald Burrill
Jeff, I suspect there are some important things you're not telling us here. Are these comparisons being carried out over a variety of conditions of some kind (temperature, perhaps, length of time, or concentration of a catalyst, or pH, or ...)? (If not, how does one observe multiple values

Re: Skewness and Kurtosis Questions

2000-08-29 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Ronny Richardson wrote: Several references I have looked at define skewness as follows: mean median: positive, or right-skewness mean = median: symmetry, or zero-skewness mean median: negative, or left-skewness He then gave two small (N = 20)

p-value language (was: Re: p value quibble ... ala d burrill)

2000-08-29 Thread Donald Burrill
I've taken the liberty of copying this to the edstat list, and therefore have quoted the original posting in full, despite having (at the moment) a comment on only one part of it. -- DFB. On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Paul Dudgeon wrote: Somewhat tangential to the discussion last week about p

Re: Nested Models and HLM

2000-09-08 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Magill, Brett wrote: Is there a difference between a Nested Model in general and what is referred to as a hierarchical linear model? On my understanding that "hierarchical linear model" is the same as "multilevel model", a nested model is in general a particular instance

Re: Three Factor ANOVA Help

2000-09-30 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Luís Silva wrote: For a certain variable I applied a Three Factor ANOVA and found a significant interaction between two factors. Was this the only significant effect, or were there others? Actually, it would be easier to address your question usefully if you'd supply

Re: R Square

2000-09-30 Thread Donald Burrill
I don't usually respond to anonymous querents, but the problem is intriguing. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I constructed a D-optimal design for 6 continuous variables, each at three levels. Is that 6 predictors, or 5 predictors and a response variable? I have 31 runs.

Re: Q: How to Pool Slopes

2000-10-08 Thread Donald Burrill
Standard one-way analysis of covariance (with three groups) will do this for you. -- DFB. On 8 Oct 2000, Stanley110 wrote: Assume I have three sets of x,y data. I fit each by least-squares to a straight line. I determine that the three fitted lines are homogeneous

Re: comparing two betas

2000-10-09 Thread Donald Burrill
Ambiguous question. By "beta" do you mean (as some would) a standardized regression coefficient? Or do you mean (as some would, perhaps especially in the context of testing hypotheses) the population value of a raw regression coefficient? Further, you specify "multiple regression

Re: questions on hypothesis

2000-10-12 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, dennis roberts wrote in part: one nice full issue of a journal about this general topic of hull hypothesis testing ... Dealing with problems in naval architecture, one presumes? -- Don.

Re: questions on hypothesis

2000-10-14 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, inter alia: I *would* argue that without some method to determine the likelihood of a difference b/w two conditions you have no chance of determining practical importance at all. But hypothesis testing procedures do not establish any such

Re: questions on hypothesis

2000-10-19 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Lewycky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've often been called upon to do a t-test with 5 animals in one group and 4 animals in the other. The power is abysmally low and rarely do I get a p less than 0.05. One

Re: point biserial formula

2000-10-22 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, dennis roberts wrote: At 06:14 AM 10/21/00 +, Eric Bohlman wrote: snip, a couple of quibbles answered by Eric 2a) It demonstrates that variations in the relative sizes of the group will result in variations in the magnitude of the correlation, even if the

Re: .05 level of significance

2000-10-22 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Bill Jefferys wrote: At 12:56 PM -0500 10/20/00, dennis roberts wrote: randomly independent events have the p value being the multiplication of each event's p value ... so ... p for getting a head in a good coin is .5 ... 2 in a row = .25 ... etc. This is wrong.

Re: Error in polls

2000-10-24 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Wolfgang Rolke asked: I am wondering how they find the Sampling error of +/-4% pts. The usual estimate for the standard error of a binomial would be (for Bush) SQRT(0.46*(1-0.46)/769) = 0.01797 The error in a 95% CI would then be 1.96*0.01797 = 3.5% and in a 99%

Re: point biserial formula

2000-10-28 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, dennis roberts wrote: don ... no wonder students go bananas in statistics ... if we "sink" to this level of discussion about a formula ... a formula that really has so little utility ... how much time do we spend on the really important ones? I would have thought

Re: Statistics problem (HELP!)

2000-10-28 Thread Donald Burrill
On 27 Oct 2000, Dr. S. Shapiro wrote: I have quantified experimentally the activity ("X") of a half-dozen different products (A-F). These 6 commercial products all contain the same "active ingredient" over a range of different concentrations (and a couple of products share the same

Re: FAVOUR - Marking Scripts Statistically!

2000-10-28 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Martin Boulger (impersonating haytham siala) wrote: I have to mark scripts based on a marking scheme thus: How much of the ensuing paragraph comprises requirements externally imposed upon you and not subject to your control, what conditions are debatable, and which ones

Re: Two-sample problem

2000-11-13 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Ick-Joong Chung wrote: I have a question about two-sample problem. I am comparing coefficients of two samples (poor and non-poor) and would like to investigate whether the difference between two coefficients is statistically significant ('one on one' level as well as

Re: NY Times on statisticians' view of election

2000-11-18 Thread Donald Burrill
On 18 Nov 2000, Herman Rubin wrote, inter alia: Dixville Notch, Vermont votes at midnight, and is widely reported. But I doubt that this is what you mean. Dixville Notch is in New Hampshire. :-) (In fact, I'm not at all sure that any place except New Hampshire uses "notch" for a pass

Re: What's type III?

2000-11-20 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Karl L. Wuensch wrote: Chris said :"Since both the null and alternative are generally false," Now I'm confused. I always thought that null and alternative were mutually exclusive and exhaustive, as in "parameter LE value" versus "parameter GT value." No, you're not

Re: Re : Hypothesis testing

2000-11-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Jay Warner wrote in part: And when you have made your way through it, send me an email, telling me how well it worked for you - that's your 'cost' for using it! Since you asked the entire Edstat list for advice, it would be courteous to copy that e-mail to the list.

Re: EdStat: Factoring tetrachoric matrix in SAS

2000-11-25 Thread Donald Burrill
I'm not a SAS expert; but the error messages you quote look like what one might expect if the correlation matrix had been output as the lower triangular half only, and the factor procedure were expecting the complete square matrix. You didn't supply your protocol for creating the correlation

Re: psychology and nominal data

2000-11-29 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Kathryn, alias [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Hi there, I am a student conducting an experiment about the McGurk Effect (where when a word is seen spoken while a different word is heard through headphones, the perceived word is an integration of the two). I am hoping to cue

Re: Manufacturing Legitimacy

2000-12-05 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 the anonymous correspondent "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: Where can I find authoritative data on the undervotes observed in the various counties in Florida for the Presidential Election? My students have suggested that a t-test should be applied determine the level of

Re: Florida votes and statistical errors

2000-12-09 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the vote difference between Bush and Gore falls within the margin of error for the counting process, ... Is it, indeed? How do you define "margin of error" for this process? ... declaring the winner is mathematically indeterminable ...

Re: Puzzle

2000-12-17 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, xprot wrote: What are the odds against rolling a pair of dice 6 separate times, and not rolling a 7, 11, or any doubles? Without thinking about it too hard, I make the probability of this event about 0.052. (I may be wrong; I muffed it the first time through.) If you

Re: The Margin-of-Error Fallacy

2000-12-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Jake wrote, inter alia: P.S. Canada handcounted thirteen million votes in 2.5 hours. We look like idiots. Yes, well, perhaps we are. There appears not to be much in the way of counter-evidence, and there may be some debate over what counts ;-) as evidence...

Re: Which distribution is this...

2000-12-24 Thread Donald Burrill
Two comments: (1) If the coins are numbered (on the non-zero side) 1, 2, 4, 8, ... then each possible total occurs exactly once. If Derek's coins are labelled 0 and X (X = 1, 2, 3, ...), these new coins are labelled 0 and 2^(X-1). I don't know if this observation is helpful, since I don't

Re: By trial, or by subject?

2001-01-15 Thread Donald Burrill
Jim, a few comments in addition to those made by other respondents: On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jim Kroger wrote in part: I'm doing a two-way, 2X2 ANOVA. Suppose I have 20 subjects, and each has 25 observations of the following types: drug1-doseA (25 for each subject) drug1-doseB ( " )

Re: change scores

2001-01-26 Thread Donald Burrill
A quibble, and a question (or maybe several, of each), Rich: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Rich Ulrich wrote, inter alia: By the way, if you have Pre-Post on one measure, you almost need to plot the points on a well-labeled graph (what is max, what is min?) before you BEGIN to draw conclusions.

Re: A-D in matlab

2001-01-27 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Veeral Patel wrote in part: Out of curiousty i decided to write a small prog to perform the A-D test in matlab for the gumbel distribution. Obtaining the gumbel parameters is easy. however the difficulty is in the actual A-D computation formula as stated by

Re: change scores

2001-01-28 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Rich Ulrich quoted me: DB: What most people who use "ordinal" and "disordinal" seem to mean is a plot of the cell means (or of regression lines), with no adjustment for main effects: so, a display that includes the interaction AND the main effects. I take it

Re: Margin Analysis Qstn

2001-01-30 Thread Donald Burrill
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Chris wrote in part: My current job requires me to analyze margins from the sales of various products and provide an average for each during the quarter. I am using a very large sample of all product sales by month. (Margin, i.e. not markup. For those not familiar,

Re: unequal n's: quadratic weights

2001-01-31 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Kathleen Bloom wrote: If you have unequal n's, and want to determine linear parameters, you can develop new coefficients by taking the normal unweighted coefficients (e.g., -1, 0, +1, for three group design) and the formula: n1(X1) + n2(X2) + n3(X3)/ n1+n2+n3

Re: intermediate stats textbook?

2001-02-20 Thread Donald Burrill
A quick reply. Looks somewhat like the second course ("Intermediate Statistics and Research Design") I taught for some years at OISE, Toronto, which was (and is) the Graduate Department of Education for the University of Toronto. Ask for more later if you want... On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Lise

Re: basic stats question

2001-02-26 Thread Donald Burrill
Perhaps jthis is too superficial -- no time to think more deeply just now. But I suspect the difference between your two scenarios below is that with exactly 5 computers to deal with (i.e., population size = 5) you are sampling without replacement (which is only sensible, for the background

Re: Regression with repeated measures

2001-03-01 Thread Donald Burrill
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mike Granaas wrote in part (and 2 paragraphs of descriptive prose quoted at the end): ... is there some method that will allow him to get the prediction equation he wants? Probably the best approach is the multilevel (aka hierarchical) modelling advocated by previous

Re: statistical errors

2001-03-23 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Paul R Swank wrote: I prefer the ocular test myself. Were you referring to the intraocular traumatic test? (It strikes you between the eyes.) -- Don. Donald

Re: Joining edstat

2001-04-28 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just joined the listserv. Our professor is giving us extra credit if we join an email list re: stats. I was able to pull up one of his messages from last year. Pretty cool. Have a great day! You might ask him whether additional extra

Re: A question

2001-05-04 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Alan McLean wrote: Can anyone tell me what is the distribution of the ratio of sample variances when the ratio of population variances is not 1, but some specified other number? Depends. If the two samples on which the variances are based are _independent_,

Re: individual item analysis

2001-06-15 Thread Donald Burrill
In response to Doug Sawyer's post: I am trying to locate a journal article or textbook that addresses whether or not exam quesitons can be normalized, when the questions are grouped differently. For example, could a question bank be developed where any subset of questions could be

Re: meta-analysis

2001-06-22 Thread Donald Burrill
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Marc Esser wrote: After a closer look at the trials which I want to summarize, I noticed that not the means are reported, but the medians. Do you have an idea how to calculate an effect size with this information, e.g. median change of hospitalization time. The

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