True, while the core of the system, not the device drivers and higher level
applications are open.
73,
Bill WE5P
Comfortably Numb
> On Nov 27, 2020, at 16:10, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
> The phrase "run a DERIVATION of an open source operating system" is key.
>
> It is just a basis for their
This whole thread has suffered from a confluence of two separate issues.
One is whether or not open source software in general is quality stuff,
and even "derivations" of open source software require that the
underlying bits represent good design and good code. Some here have
essentially
On 2020-11-27 12:29:-0700, l...@ka7ftp.com wrote:
>It seems that this thread has become the whipping boy for open source. I
>would suggest that it is irrelevant whether something is open or closed
>source.
There have been many good comments pro and con open source here...I am not sure
how my
The phrase "run a DERIVATION of an open source operating system" is key.
It is just a basis for their software. I would bet not a one of them
would open up the full source code used on their hardware. They might
reveal which open source operating system they based their software on,
but not
I understated my previous post a bit. All of the TOP 500 supercomputers run a
derivaion of an open source operating system per the wikipedia page.
73,
Bill WE5P
Comfortably Numb
> On Nov 27, 2020, at 15:26, weave...@usermail.com wrote:
>
>
> You are exactly right Len. A majority of the
You are exactly right Len. A majority of the worlds biggest super computers are
run on open source software (Not Windows :)). The June 2020 list here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500. Android devices, imbedded devices, most
web browsers etc. The list goes on and on.
it’s about quality
" OpenSSL pretty much runs the entire secure Internet. Linux, Python, etc.
But those are exceptions."
And an interesting statistic...
"It's often said that more than half of new businesses fail during the first
year. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), this isn't
> "I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to
> hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the
> professional depth in the general community.”
OpenSSL pretty much runs the entire secure Internet. Linux, Python, etc.
But those are
N1MM+ may not open source in the strict sense, but it IS collaborative
by a pretty large base of contributors who do it merely as a side job.
In terms of how it has been developed it is as close to being open
source as you can get without being updated by random contributors, and
it most
"I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to
hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the
professional depth in the general community."
Linux?
Gcc?
>From what I can tell Linux pretty much owns much of the market for servers
and
On 2020-11-26 21:47:-0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>"I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to
>hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support.� � I just don't see
>the professional depth in the general community."
>
>Presumably you're talking about the
On 2020-11-26 23:26:-0500, SteveL wrote:
>I own a popular open-source based 3D printer.really worse than the
>version you hoped to repair, or dramatically changed in ways that demand
>relearning from the beginning.
>
>... I wanted to print - not test and debug code!
These are both
"but even so how about N1MM+, "
Not that 'we' are any longer talking about Elecraft firmware...
N1MM Logger+, Logger32, etc., etc. are NOT Open Source! They are merely
FREE. Get me a source code listing for these products. You can't.
If Elecraft hadn't secured the firmware in their PIC
My impression is that all hobbyist fused filament printer use open
source firmware. The difference is likely to be whether the vendor
pre-configures and pre-installs it. That probably applies to all fused
filament printers.
I think the original movement behind these was that you could,
On the other hand, Elecraft can't afford to expend resources on new
features for products no longer in production. Professional development
costs money, and there's no revenue stream from free firmware for
products that are not for sale. It might even have a negative effect by
influencing
"I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want
to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just
don't see the professional depth in the general community."
Presumably you're talking about the amature radio community because
nonprofessional
> . I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want to
> hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the
> professional depth in the general community.
>
I own a popular open-source based 3D printer. Finding the firmware to run the
Seems like this is now the Kenwood page ?
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development
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The Kenwood TS-590SG is ~$1300 new and you can get one in a week. Why are
you bashing it on the Elecraft list?
John KK9A
Rick NK7I rick.nk7i at gmail.com
And yet the TS-590 still has unfixed design flaws (overshoot being one of
the worst) without sending it to an authorized shop, taking weeks.
I ran my own small engineering company for 25 years. Projects ranged from $1ooK
to $10M USD. We had no warranty claims at all. It takes a lot to produce
software and hardware to that level of reliability.
Recently, someone posted on a different professional forum I am on "As a
programmer I am
Your point continues to be repeated (and it’s become a tiresome and annoying
whine). However it remains that the Elecraft code is proprietary, just as most
radio manufacturers code, name most any brand. Ditto car engine computer code
(gas, diesel, hybrid or battery), computer program
The point on Moore's law is taken.
But the options aren't just limited to Elecraft doing more work on older
radios or no updates at all (or supporting the old radios to the detriment
of the new)
Many software development projects now are community based and although
radio firmware may be more
They also released a whole new radio, the ‘590SG not long after the original
‘590S. The K3 didn’t have a replacement upgrade like that, meaning the K3 to
theK3s, for something like 10 years, and they even gave an upgrade path to make
the K3 very close in performance to the K3s. No such for the
And yet the TS-590 still has unfixed design flaws (overshoot being one
of the worst) without sending it to an authorized shop, taking weeks.
It was MONTHS before that firmware was updated (since originally
reported). I find the reaction time for updates with Elecraft to be
more responsive.
For large companies there is still the cost factor. Could that person otherwise
be doing something more profitable. Remember who really runs those companies.
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
>
> Of course, as mentioned previously in this thread, large
Of course, as mentioned previously in this thread, large companies have
funds that they can invest in personnel to do the development, so I
would expect that Kenwood would be able to assign personnel quickly to
handle such issues.
Neil, KN3ILZ
On 11/25/2020 10:25 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
"Name
It would be nice to see the two remaining “not implemented” features appear in
the KX3, especially S-meter absolute mode. I’m not sure there is much demand
for addressing multiple transverters.
"Name any other company that gives you FREE firmware updates in real time (not
months later like Icom or never like most others) until the issues are resolved
to the user satisfaction; or that ADD features previously unavailable."
Kenwood!
Kenwood has released firmware updates for TS-590S
The point of a new radio is not the full feature list but *what it does for
you* in your current and desired-future operating conditions. Very few of
us take full advantage of every bell and whistle, but newer radios do tend
to enhance whatever experiences most amateurs seek. This applies not only
Well that IS rather condescending.
I would take a different view, that MOST of the hams using Elecraft use
MOST of the features on a regular basis but because the features are
designed well, the user doesn't NEED to fiddle about (or understand the
precise ways they work). One of the
I would venture to say that most hams (especially those recently licensed)
don’t and can’t utilize all the features of even an older K3, let alone one
with all the enhancements. The K4 is so far beyond the “average” ham in its
ability that unless you are an electronics guru with an EE you
While I agree with Skip here, my agreement is based on
practicality, not physical ability. The internal K3 hardware
design is quite modular, and replacing the DSP boards for the
main and sub receivers should be straight forward. We have seen
how the K3 can be improved by replacing boards.
Welcome Tim,
There's an inescapable rule in electronic product development: Once you
commit to a physical design in year , it will be a design that uses
the parts of year forever. I think about 2006 or so for the
K3 [mine is S/N 642 and that's about when I bought it]. Yes, the
Hi Tim,
Like any product development company, we have to strike a balance between
creating new products and enhancing old ones. That said, we've provided
literally hundreds of new K3/K3S/P3/KX2/KX3/PX3/KPA500/KPA1500 firmware
revisions over the past 10 years, for both MCU and DSP code. Many of
Tim,
It's important to realize the the basic K3 was designed in 2007 with
2007 parts. It should be obvious that technology has advanced by several
orders of magnitude since then (remember Moore's Law?. That fundamental
limitation is a major reason why features that are on lots of wish lists
Tim,
I'm an owner of 3 Elecraft radios and am a huge fan of the products. But
one thing that the last few years has shown is that Elecraft does not have
a great track record of developing new features or technologies into their
existing transceiver products. They release updates and patches for
Hello, all,
I'm a brand new and generally satisfied Elecraft KX2 user.
I'm just wondering what sorts of features are in the oven for future
versions of firmware. SDR code is neat because it can add new features;
but that really only is a benefit if cooks are in the kitchen. How long
will new
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