Ray,
I think that is 'stretching' the facts a bit.
A halfwave dipole is a halfwave dipole whether fed at the center or at
an end or somewhere in between.
The radiation pattern and efficiency is the same.
The problem is that an end fed resonant dipole does need a little bit of
a counterpoise
It would appear you made a good choice in fan selection FYI, I use
sorbothane for isolators and other damping needs. Works great. Noise
reduction depends on making sure to interrupt the connection between the
fan body and the mounting point in the case to include not letting
the same
Yep... I forgot... :)
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Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389
On 2/11/2017 5:12 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:
> No problem with them being a bit thicker as the fans are external
>
>
>
>
>
Is the Noctua fan mentioned in a previous thread a plug-level replacement
for the stock Elecraft K3 fan? That is to say, have others purchased some
version of this fan and successfully drop-in replaced the 'old' one,
experiencing an improvement in sound level or otherwise? My K3 is #6108
...
On the subject of quieter fans, any thoughts on a quieter fan for the
amp? I do a lot of AM and a quieter fan would be nice - else the amp
will get relocated to a different location in the shack.
Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Bill,
Have you considered (or already done) setting the minimum fan speed to 2 (or
3)? Doing this helps delay the onset of higher fan speeds. Of course, long
duration AM transmissions this may not help, but I have notice it help on
lower duty-cycle modes.
73,
Bruce, N1RX
Tom,
Unless I read the K3 and K3S manual incorrectly, Heil has the "HIGH" and
"LOW" mic gain settings reversed.
The HIGH and LOW settings refer to the mic gain, and not to the
microphone output. Those Heil mics have very low output and should use
the HIGH mic gain setting.
73,
Don W3FPR
Something isn’t racking then because Fred in his K3s book recommends high for
the electrek mic. Per Fred and Heil’s recommendation I am using a Heil BM-10ic
and have the radio set to High with bias and I get good audio reports.
You have me wondering now?
73,
Tom - KQ5S
On Feb 11, 2017, 8:22
jX = 0
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>
> Define "resonance".
>
> Chas
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
> Jensen
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 2:40 PM
> To:
I'm pulling my hair out on this one... all morning trying to do my due
diligence.
I picked up a used K3S which is like new... I got a great deal. Anyway, I
verified with Elecraft that this K3S was factory assembled and there were
not any field upgrades installed based on the verification of the
I can confirm that both a friend and I have fitted Noctua fans to our 1,000
series K3's and that they do the job much more quietly. They come with an
assortment of connectors and were very easy to fit, but you have to get used
to their different colour Hi Hi! They appear to be high quality and
It's been a couple of years since I put them in, they come with a 3 pin
connector instead of a stock 2 pin connector.
As I recall I clipped the third wire (yellow wire) and then trimmed the
connector down to 2 pins (red and black).
If you search the messages archive I believe someone listed
If anyone is super comfortable on 10.7.5 and would not mind giving me some
pointers for navigating and using the USB connection, please QSL via private
email. Computer is a 2007 Macbook which is 64 bit Intel version.
Thanks,
Doug W5JV
You can also use CHU for frequency standard calibration check depending on
propagation.
3330.000, 7850.000, and 14670.000kHz
73, Mike AC5P
On Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:20 PM, John Stengrevics
wrote:
Thanks all for the comments.
I think I will stick
Walt,
Which LNR End-Fedz are you using that has a trap. I have never seen one
with a trap.
On 2/11/2017 4:22 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
The LNR End-Fedz antennas use traps. They appear to work just fine.
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I have an Elecraft K3S and a Heil PR10. I recently started getting complaints
about my audio and may have inadvertently changed a setting on the radio.
With regard to this combination of mic and radio, where should I set the
following:
Mic Gain Range - Low or High?
Mic Bias - On or Off?
A dipole has two elements. An end-fed half-wave is a monopole. One element.
A half-wave antenna is still a half-wave, whether it is center fed (Hertz) or
end fed (Marconi).
wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Don Wilhelm
That's a common misconception, especially among those of us who have spent
time working with center fed dipoles.
The "poles" refer to the voltage nodes, not the number of elements. A
dipole, having a voltage node at each end, is a di(two)pole radiator, while
a quarter wave antenna, having only
No problem with them being a bit thicker as the fans are external
From: Clay Autery
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Quieter fans on the K3 ?
It would appear you made a good choice in fan
No, end fed halfwaves are not dipoles. They are monopoles. Take a look at the
ARRL antenna book, LaPort, Johnson or any of the classic antenna books. There
is a reason why all the AM broadcast Stations with halfwave end fed antennas
have radial systems that consist of 120 radials that are 0.4
Here is what Heil says:
We highly suggest our dynamic element microphones (HC-7, HC-5.1 , HC-6,
Goldline GM series or PR-781 type). In this case, while setting up the MAIN:
MIC SEL menu, tap [I] to toggle to "LOW" Mic Gain, and be absolutely certain
that Mic Bias is off by tapping [2], as
I think about the only real solution for the fan noise on the KPA500 is to
remote it.
From: Bill
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:46 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan
On the subject of quieter fans, any thoughts on a quieter
Tom,
I would use whatever setting works the best; if you are receiving good audio
reports, "leave sleeping dogs lie". If your mic gain is set at something
reasonable (mine is "9"), I wouldn't worry about what is "suggested". Too many
variables with your voice characteristics; if you are
Somehow the kxpa100 serial speed has been changed. Check the kxpa100 command
reference to be sure, but try entering ^BRX3; followed by ^BRP3; in the KXPA
utility command tester. Then go back to the utility's port tab and click test
communications. It should be 38400 at that point.
Firmware
The real bottom line is to use the indication on the K3 (K3S, KX3 and
KX2) ALC meter.
If you are driving the voice audio up to the 5 to 7 bars level, that is
correct. If it is going higher reduce the MIC gain or switch to the low
mic gain setting.
If it is lower than the 5 to 7 bars,
Brian:
The end fed I use uses a stub for 20 meters. When I set it up I tuned the
antenna for 40 meters. Then I added the stub 1/2 down the antenna and
trimmed that for best SWR on 20 meters. Worked exactly as expected with an
antenna analyzer.
K
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Brian Pietrzyk
Define "resonance".
Chas
-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Jensen
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 2:40 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] EFHW
Ummm ... A full-wavelength wire is not resonant?
73,
Fred
Tom,
Yes, the electret mics typically have high output levels and thus can
use the low mic gain setting.
In other words, the Heil website has it "backwards". I am not sure Heil
will be willing to change it.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 2/11/2017 8:53 PM, Tom wrote:
Don,
You may be correct. Fred in
Fan selection depends on a LOT of different factors rated fan speed
vs. voltage applied, CFM vs fan speed, dB vs. speed vs. CFM. Min/Max
current required, dimensions including thickness, type of bearing
system, etc, etc...
Ambient temperature Inlet restrictions, outlet restrictions,
The next time I experiment with end fed antennas, I want to try
a matching transformer at the end of the antenna wire of about a
50:1 matching ratio. That way I will have an impedance in the
feed line of about 50 ohms and minimize coax loss. Now if I am
connecting the antenna directly to
I also have it set the same way. All reports are great audio.
Roy AB7CE
-Original Message-
From: Tom Robertson
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:28 PM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Heil PR10
Something isn’t racking then
This thread has really given me things to try when earth tilt/absence of white
rain is back in our favour. Great group of folks on this forum btw.
The many contributions to this thread have given me the confidence to try end
feds (for the first time) on my up coming trip to HI9 land. I'm
Correct.
Fan dipoles work because the resonant 1/4-wave elements are lower impedance
than the non-resonant elements, so they get the majority of the power. A neat
trick, really.
The LNR End-Fedz antennas use traps. They appear to work just fine.
wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
A halfwave dipole is a halfwave dipole whether fed at the center or at an
> end or somewhere in between.
> The radiation pattern and efficiency is the same.
>
This is 100% correct. Two minutes spent with
New Fan : Noctua NF-A6x25 FLXAirflow : 17 cfm (29.2 m3h converted to cfm)Noise
: 19.3dbSpeed : 3000 RPM (at 12 v)Static Pressure : 2.18 mmCutent : 120 mA
(.12 A)
Original Fan : UTEC AT6015L-12L2B-ND2Airflow : 15.4 cfmNoise : 24.8Speed : 3000
RPM (at 12v)Static Pressure : 2.21mmCurrent : 100
Tom,
I don't know about the Heil Electret mics, but in my experience with the
K2, the electret mic output from the Heil "iC" microphones is equal to
that from most other electret microphones such as the Elecraft MH2.
Perhaps Heil has reduced the output of their more recent electret
If you end up still wanting to get a frequency counter and want to spend a
few bucks, I would keep your eyes peeled for a good deal on an HP 5385A or
something similar on fleaBay, don't mess with the sub $100 cheap ones.
Then get a 10mhz GPSDO reference like the Leo Bodnar GPSDO
On 2/11/2017 13:03, Brian Pietrzyk wrote:
Now comes the fantasy thinking... What about making it an end fed
multi band by either putting traps in the 80m end fed or better still
adding on a couple of fan EFHW wires for 40 and 20? Anyone tried this?
How would the efficiencies compare to their
It is my opinion that the K3s rates the use of a proper quality
frequency counter.
I bought a used, "lab grade" counter with an OXCO, and supply it with an
external GPSDO signal.
Is it required? No, not really
I initially calibrated the K3s with one of the government time
beacons... not
All efficient antenna systems are "resonant" (jX=0) but the shorthand often
used is "resonant" to mean "self resonant". That is true of any 1/4
wavelength long radiator (again our common shorthand is usually "1/4 wave
wire") or any multiple thereof worked against ground. It is also true of any
You're close, Bill. The short counterpoise should go at the antenna end
of the feedline by the transformer, not at the radio. It probably won't
make much difference, though, as the outside of the coax will serve as a
counterpoise.
Depending on the design of the transformer, its inductance
Bill, you are close to the famous Zeppelin antenna. It was a
single-frequency antenna. The idea was to move the RF field as far as
practical from the airframe. RF arcs between elements of the duraluminum
airframe were to be avoided, especially up near the top of the airship where
there was always
My Elecraft rigs are connected to guyed, end-fed half wave vertical
monopole antennas, one each on 30 meters and 40 meters. I use
tapped-L-parallel-C matching networks at the base of these antennas, which
are ground mounted and insulated.
They radiate at the horizon, or darned close to it, and
Some people seem to have a lot of trouble detecting "zero beat" but once the
technique is learned, it's easy to calibrate the K3/K3S to within 0.2 Hz of
WWV's carrier (one beat every 5 seconds). One could get closer depending
upon your patience.
It's useful to wait until WWV transmits a steady
Ummm ... A full-wavelength wire is not resonant?
73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lynn W.
Taylor, WB6UUT
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:13 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
As was said previously, all end fed antennas are monopoles with displacement
current flowing from the antenna element to earth. Unlike dipoles where the
displacement currents flow from element to element.
So without an adequate radial system to reduce the ground loss all end Feds
regardless of
True, but that wasn't the point (and I think you understood that).
A wire that is approximately 67 feet long will be resonant on 20
meters. The impedance at the ends will be very high.
A wire that is approximately 80 feet will not be resonant on 20 meters,
but an Elecraft tuner will be able
Howdy Fellow Elcrafters:
Been reading the posts about fans for the K3.
So here’s my dumb question for the week.
Are there fans specifically designed to exhaust hot air from radios as opposed
to fans that blow cool air into the radio?
Or is it simply a matter of turning the fan upside down to
Joe,
If the fan is to cool a large area like a heatsink, it is better to
exhaust the air rather than blowing it in.
Only in the case of where the fan should blow onto a relatively small
area would it be wise to direct the flow inward.
In the case of the K3, the fan should exhaust the air.
Thanks, that was the ticket! The one time that I had the PA off and the
speed was 38400 sort of nailed the PA as the culprit component. :)
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> Somehow the kxpa100 serial speed has been changed. Check the kxpa100
>
-Original Message-
From: lmarion
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:22 PM
To: Bill
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan
I just lay a soft bladed fan on the top grill to pull air up. its run by a
variable power supply.
WAY quieter than the back fan, because it never comes on. It’s a
Don,
You may be correct. Fred in his book recommends High for Heil mics, both
electrek and dynamic where as Heil only recommends High for the electrek.
I would have thought if the Heil site was wrong someone would have noticed
it by now and Heil would have changed it.
I also thought the Heil
Good Evening,
Propagation has gotten slightly better. A little is from the noise
level dropping and some from the sun moving northward. I have not had
much chance to get on the air since last weekend. The power stuttered
moments after the second net and went out for three days an hour
It is with some reluctance that I smack this whole EFHW tarbaby, but here goes.
Comments in no particular order:
1) A resonant antenna (even one that is self-resonant), e.g. one with a
non-reactive feedpoint, isn't necessarily "efficient." A quarter-wavelength
monopole over lossy earth
I'd have to total it up, but I probably made close to 1,000 contacts
with an EFHW and KX1 last year. The whole antenna system, including
the 38 foot fishing pole and tuner, weighs about 1.5 pounds. Of course,
it doesn't work as well as a high, full-sized antenna, but if anyone can
come up
So what we are saying here is that all the local and DX QSOs we make from
a picnic bench with an end fed or random wire thrown up in a tree and a
short or no counterpoise doesn't really happen or, at best, is a fluke. The
end fed is only 10% efficient (did I get that right) and most of our QRP
On Sat,2/11/2017 9:52 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
However, I submit that you (and I) would have more fun with better
antennas.
Absolutely! I had fun as a kid with antennas at about 25 ft in the maple
trees at the front and back of our lot. I had fun with dipoles strung
between telephone pole in
I figured out what was going on here... I'm assuming that the carrier
sense relay is only on the new KAT3A?, and in this case, it helped me solve
an RFI issue in my shack. I was powering a receive antenna pre-amp and a
10mhz reference signal distribution box with the same PS as I was using for
A certain inductance places at a correct place along the 80m HW will
make multy band EFHW. Here is the example
http://myantennas.com/wp/product/efhw-8010p/
73, Igor UA9CDC
12.02.2017 1:50, K9MA пишет:
On 2/11/2017 13:03, Brian Pietrzyk wrote:
Now comes the fantasy thinking... What about
I'm pretty sure the laws of physics are still in place.
What you describe isn't much different from my situation on 160 meters. I have
an inverted vee dipole with the apex at 45' and the ends at 6 feet or less.
With 500W I have worked about 60 counties. But I am under no illusions that
Ha, ha!!! Well put Wes!
Some mountain portables erect low "horizontal" antennas on the side of a steep
mountain. The result is a very low angle of radiation because, even though the
main lobe is "straight up" from the mountainside from the antenna, the slope
puts that lobe at a fairly low
10% efficient is for a “short” end fed antenna and a ground rod or similar.
Something near a quarter wave and a typical one or two wire counterpoise is
much better.
It doesn’t take much effort to get to 50% efficient with a quarter wave or
longer wire, and a few short radials.
After that, there
Don,
Can't argue with the advice in your email; in fact, I think the best response I
have read.
As for "how you sound" on the other end, one setting no one mentioned is
transmitter equalizer settings. I could be wrong, but from what I remember,
Heil used to sell mics with a freq response
Hi Don,
I removed the 200Hz filter this morning, and as you said, the offset
was on the paper tag. I set up the -0.87 offset via the K3 utility, and now
all is well.
Thank you for your help, much appreciated.
73, Stuart GD0OUD.
-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm
A few years ago I replaced the stock fans on my K3 with the Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX
fans and rubber mounts. The new ones are much quieter and the low rumble is
gone.
Last night I got thinking about the fans and about the rumble of the stock
ones.
The question I now have is I wonder if the low
Greetings All, My Elecraft K1 is beautiful, perfect and ready to go.
4 bands include 40,30,20 and 15. All options including ATU, NB,
Battery option, LED backlit option and finger dimple on main tuning
knob. Comes with power cable and original manual including all
info on all options. Will be very
Hi all,
I'm the proud (and slightly overwhelmed) owner of a KX3 station - the whole
smash. I think I've managed to figure out SSB and CW, and now I'm trying
to work out the kinks in digital operations.
That's not what this post is about; this one is about communications.
When I launch HRD, or
I am considering buying a frequency counter to calibrate my K3S. I see that
Amazon has several for <$100. Has anyone had any experience with these?
Are they just a waste of money?
Thanks,
John
WA1EAZ
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What? I didn’t know that Elecraft offered frequency counters. Or, do you mean
something like the XG2, a signal source for testing rigs?
73, phil, K7PEH
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 9:39 AM, stengrevics wrote:
>
> I am considering buying a frequency counter to calibrate
Frequency counters will also need to be calibrated. I have been
quite happy using WWV with my K3, and you can't beat the price.
73 Bill AE6JV
On 2/11/17 at 9:39 AM, jstengrev...@comcast.net (stengrevics) wrote:
I am considering buying a frequency counter to calibrate my K3S. I see that
I think you would do much better getting something like a used Racal-Dana 1992
or the like of of ebay with the crystal oven.
From: stengrevics
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:39 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Counter
John,
You do not need a frequency counter to calibrate the K3S, use Method 2
with WWV, it is just as accurate.
Actually it is likely more accurate than you would get with a <$100
frequency counter, unless you calibrate the frequency counter
beforehand. I suspect any frequency counter costing
Thanks all for the comments.
I think I will stick with WWV.
John’
WA1EAZ
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
> John,
>
> You do not need a frequency counter to calibrate the K3S, use Method 2 with
> WWV, it is just as accurate.
> Actually it is likely
Hi everyone,
I’m a fairly new K3S user since last November. I’m using with a lot of success
and appreciation my K3S for digital modes, especially JT65 and JT9. I can
actually do both without any issue.
But, I would like to experiment doing « both » at the same time by having a
wider « look »
Pete et al --- I'm on the low bands (160, 80 and 40) almost every morning from
1200Z (or so) 'till 1400Z..80, in particular, is where my RBN reports are
THE most promisingBUTvery seldom do I hear any QRPers on 3.560. Often,
I get so bored with the little CW activity that I move to
Great Joe!!!
Easy to understand now….. :-) :-) Hi Hii ‼️
Thanks for the tip !!
73 de Jeff | VA2SS
Le 11 févr. 2017 à 08:53, Joe Subich, W4TV
> a écrit :
Use the *Split* features in WSJT-X. See the WSJT-X help files
for specific details.
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