Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/10/2015 4:37 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 12:34, Gregg Eshelman wrote: >> Someone needs to put the Denford ORAC back into production, with updated >> controls of course. > > I have wondered about getting in touch with the new owners of Myford > about creating a Myford-based CN

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2015-02-10 Thread andy pugh
On 4 February 2015 at 12:34, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > Someone needs to put the Denford ORAC back into production, with updated > controls of course. I have wondered about getting in touch with the new owners of Myford about creating a Myford-based CNC lathe for the modern model engineer. I think i

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:50:17 AM andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 14:41, sam sokolik wrote: > > 3) Took apart a computer and made an abacus. > > I suddenly feel the (mild) urge to make an abacus by threading CPUs on > rods. Take two aspirin and a pint of Guiness and it should

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/4/2015 9:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > I live outside an Amish community. > That kind of experience would be valued around here. > Ever seen an electric ceiling fan that has been converted to run off > compressed air? > Ever seen a farm tractor being pulled by a large team of horses, while > the

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Todd Zuercher
5 9:41:13 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock On 02/04/2015 05:27 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 11:19, Marcus Bowman > wrote: >> Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find the >> industrial ones too big and heavy for

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/4/2015 9:41 AM, sam sokolik wrote: > On 02/04/2015 05:27 AM, andy pugh wrote: >> On 4 February 2015 at 11:19, Marcus Bowman >> wrote: >>> Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find the >>> industrial ones too big and heavy for my workshop (I need to be able to get >>>

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2015-02-04 Thread Pete Matos
Andy, I like the looks of that 300 model. I sort of feel the same way about my new lathe. It is just big enough to get something done yet takes up less space. That and the layout is similar to the Asian 12x36 that I used to have. Really looking forward to having my first CNC lathe in the shop

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 February 2015 at 14:41, sam sokolik wrote: > 3) Took apart a computer and made an abacus. I suddenly feel the (mild) urge to make an abacus by threading CPUs on rods. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread sam sokolik
On 02/04/2015 05:27 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 11:19, Marcus Bowman > wrote: >> Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find the >> industrial ones too big and heavy for my workshop (I need to be able to get >> more than just the one machine in the workspac

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2015-02-04 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/4/2015 9:19 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 13:52, Dave Cole wrote: >> >> Do you have a good link to a Harrison M300? > http://www.lathes.co.uk/harrison-m/page2.html > > I was looking at this one, but thought that the starting price was too > high for the condition: > http://www.

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2015-02-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 February 2015 at 13:52, Dave Cole wrote: > > > Do you have a good link to a Harrison M300? http://www.lathes.co.uk/harrison-m/page2.html I was looking at this one, but thought that the starting price was too high for the condition: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HARRISON-M300-LATHE-3-phase-/2012

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/4/2015 5:32 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote: > On 8 May 2014, at 00:19, Steve Blackmore wrote: > >> On Wed, 7 May 2014 08:08:34 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >>> Don't disparage the Chinese machines. >>> I didn't disparage all Chinese mach

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/4/2015 6:27 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 11:19, Marcus Bowman > wrote: >> Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find the >> industrial ones too big and heavy for my workshop (I need to be able to get >> more than just the one machine in the workspace),

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2015-02-04 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/4/2015 4:19 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote: > Yes; that's my impression too. The market for that kind of lathe now seems to > be the 'fully refurbished' manual lathes at relatively breathtaking cost > (very old refurbished Hardinge HLV-H lathes seem to fetch around the 10K GBP > = 16K USD). Still

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2015-02-04 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/4/2015 3:52 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 10:32, Marcus Bowman > wrote: >> Sadly, it is now very difficult indeed to buy a really high spec quality >> tool of almost any sort, because, as customers, we have shot ourselves in >> the foot. If enough people buy cheap tools made

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 February 2015 at 11:19, Marcus Bowman wrote: > >Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find the >industrial ones too big and heavy for my workshop (I need to be able to get >more than just the one machine in the workspace), and the Tormach-sized lathes >are few and far

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 4 Feb 2015, at 10:52, andy pugh wrote: > On 4 February 2015 at 10:32, Marcus Bowman > wrote: >> Sadly, it is now very difficult indeed to buy a really high spec quality >> tool of almost any sort, because, as customers, we have shot ourselves in >> the foot. If enough people buy cheap tools

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 February 2015 at 10:32, Marcus Bowman wrote: > Sadly, it is now very difficult indeed to buy a really high spec quality tool > of almost any sort, because, as customers, we have shot ourselves in the > foot. If enough people buy cheap tools made of cheese, the manufacturers of > quality hi

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2015-02-04 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 8 May 2014, at 00:19, Steve Blackmore wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2014 08:08:34 -0400, you wrote: > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >> >>> >>> Don't disparage the Chinese machines. >>> >> I didn't disparage all Chinese machines, just the smallest lathes. I'm >> sur

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2014-05-08 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 07 May 2014 20:13:46 -0700, you wrote: >On 05/07/2014 03:56 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: > >> >> As for three bolt mounting - I can't think of any quality lathe with >> less than 4 >> >> None of the Myford, Dean Smith & Grace, Colchester, Boxford, Harrison, >> and the many Swiss lathes I wor

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2014-05-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 05/07/2014 08:13 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 05/07/2014 03:56 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: > >> >> As for three bolt mounting - I can't think of any quality lathe with >> less than 4 >> >> None of the Myford, Dean Smith & Grace, Colchester, Boxford, Harrison, >> and the many Swiss lathes I worked

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 05/07/2014 03:56 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: > > As for three bolt mounting - I can't think of any quality lathe with > less than 4 > > None of the Myford, Dean Smith & Grace, Colchester, Boxford, Harrison, > and the many Swiss lathes I worked on had three bolt mountings? At the least, Hardinge

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 19:27:17 andy pugh did opine: > On 7 May 2014 23:56, Steve Blackmore wrote: > > As for three bolt mounting - I can't think of any quality lathe with > > less than 4 > > > > None of the Myford, Dean Smith & Grace, Colchester, Boxford, Harrison, > > and the many Swiss lath

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2014-05-07 Thread Eric Keller
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: > > >On both of my 7x lathes I could put a piece in a chuck, setup an > >indicator on it then put some firm hand pressure on the headstock and > >see deflection on the indicator. > > You can do that with a Bridgeport mill ! > > Steve Blackmor

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2014-05-07 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 07 May 2014 00:25:57 -0600, you wrote: >On 5/6/2014 7:45 AM, andy pugh wrote: >> On 5 May 2014 23:49, Steve Blackmore wrote: >>> MDF and just two bolts - no wonder it turns tapered :) Needs to be >>> bolted down to something rigid enough to enable you to pull the twist >>> out of the bed.

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 7 May 2014 08:08:34 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > >> >> Don't disparage the Chinese machines. >> >I didn't disparage all Chinese machines, just the smallest lathes. I'm >sure there is plenty to disparage about some of the larger machines as

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 May 2014 23:56, Steve Blackmore wrote: > As for three bolt mounting - I can't think of any quality lathe with > less than 4 > > None of the Myford, Dean Smith & Grace, Colchester, Boxford, Harrison, > and the many Swiss lathes I worked on had three bolt mountings? I will ignore Myford out o

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 6 May 2014 14:45:16 +0100, you wrote: >On 5 May 2014 23:49, Steve Blackmore wrote: >> MDF and just two bolts - no wonder it turns tapered :) Needs to be >> bolted down to something rigid enough to enable you to pull the twist >> out of the bed. > >This does, of course, go against all the

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2014-05-07 Thread Eric Keller
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > Don't disparage the Chinese machines. > I didn't disparage all Chinese machines, just the smallest lathes. I'm sure there is plenty to disparage about some of the larger machines as well. They could certainly do better, but at the pri

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 May 2014 03:35, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > The Chinese can do it right Without a doubt. They can land Jade Rabbits on the Moon after all. However, that doesn't mean that they always do. Any more than the likes of Portass and Zyto, makers of cheap lathes in the UK used to do. -- atp If you

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 04:38:27 Erik Christiansen did opine: > On 05.05.14 04:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > > This one is currently only bolted to its work surface via its front > > feet, a 3/4" thick slab of formica covered MDF, which in turn is > > sitting inside the "don't let a tool roll off" li

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2014-05-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 05.05.14 04:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > This one is currently only bolted to its work surface via its front feet, a > 3/4" thick slab of formica covered MDF, which in turn is sitting inside the > "don't let a tool roll off" lip around the edge of heavy duty tool box, on > casters, and sitting o

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/6/2014 8:57 AM, Eric Keller wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:45 AM, andy pugh wrote: > I think the classical approach to machine design was to make the mounting > to the base flat and provide for leveling. A lathe is a compliant > structure, so a kinematic mount doesn't seem like it would b

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/6/2014 7:45 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 5 May 2014 23:49, Steve Blackmore wrote: >> MDF and just two bolts - no wonder it turns tapered :) Needs to be >> bolted down to something rigid enough to enable you to pull the twist >> out of the bed. > > This does, of course, go against all the standar

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2014-05-06 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I agree here. Connect to a solid base causing the base to become a part of the machine. Don't disparage the Chinese machines. My experience is as follows. Machine is a Mighty Viper 5BC bridge mill. She Hong in Taiwan built the machine. Mighty imported the machine without a control. Mighty installed

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 05/06/2014 08:22 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 6 May 2014 15:57, Eric Keller wrote: >>> I think the classical approach to machine design was to make the mounting >> to the base flat and provide for leveling. A lathe is a compliant >> structure, so a kinematic mount doesn't seem like it would be as

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 11:28:17 andy pugh did opine: > On 5 May 2014 23:49, Steve Blackmore wrote: > > MDF and just two bolts - no wonder it turns tapered :) Needs to be > > bolted down to something rigid enough to enable you to pull the twist > > out of the bed. > > This does, of course, go aga

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 May 2014 15:57, Eric Keller wrote: >> I think the classical approach to machine design was to make the mounting > to the base flat and provide for leveling. A lathe is a compliant > structure, so a kinematic mount doesn't seem like it would be as effective > as one might like Reading lathes

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread Eric Keller
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:45 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > This does, of course, go against all the standard tenets of lathe > design. Not unexpected for machines not manufactured with any > consideration of lathe design, perhaps. > > My Rivett sits on two inset ball-bearings at the headstock end and a

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-06 Thread andy pugh
On 5 May 2014 23:49, Steve Blackmore wrote: > MDF and just two bolts - no wonder it turns tapered :) Needs to be > bolted down to something rigid enough to enable you to pull the twist > out of the bed. This does, of course, go against all the standard tenets of lathe design. Not unexpected for m

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2014-05-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 08:00:29 Gregg Eshelman did opine: > On 5/5/2014 2:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > But its certainly better advice now, having lived with it, sitting on > > that mdf in 2 locations now and never getting a straight turn out of > > it. I have looked carefully at where the head

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-05 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/5/2014 2:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > But its certainly better advice now, having lived with it, sitting on that > mdf in 2 locations now and never getting a straight turn out of it. I have > looked carefully at where the headstock is sitting on the bed, and can't > see any evidence of debri

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2014-05-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 May 2014 22:13:12 Steve Blackmore did opine: > On Mon, 5 May 2014 04:48:55 -0400, you wrote: > >I suggested that a heavy steel bar, a 1x6 wide, nominally 24" long, to > >help stiffen it up, and was told its a never mind. By someone on this > >list about 2 coons ages ago. Whether I c

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2014-05-05 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 5 May 2014 04:48:55 -0400, you wrote: >I suggested that a heavy steel bar, a 1x6 wide, nominally 24" long, to help >stiffen it up, and was told its a never mind. By someone on this list >about 2 coons ages ago. Whether I could find another at the scrap/recycle >yard about 50 miles awa

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 May 2014 04:26:30 Steve Blackmore did opine: > On Sun, 4 May 2014 23:14:51 -0400, you wrote: > >Greetings all; > > > >Today, after fighting with it yesterday and putting in nearly 10 thou > >of x taper in 2.25" of Z travel before I got anywhere near a straight > >turn > > > > > >Ideas

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2014-05-04 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 4 May 2014 23:14:51 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings all; > >Today, after fighting with it yesterday and putting in nearly 10 thou of x >taper in 2.25" of Z travel before I got anywhere near a straight turn >Ideas? Read this http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/cancelled%20account/tsetup.

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 May 2014 00:47:34 Gregg Eshelman did opine: > On 5/4/2014 9:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > Today, after fighting with it yesterday and putting in nearly 10 thou > > of x taper in 2.25" of Z travel before I got anywhere near a straight > > turn, using a dremel 1

Re: [Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-04 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/4/2014 9:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > Today, after fighting with it yesterday and putting in nearly 10 thou of x > taper in 2.25" of Z travel before I got anywhere near a straight turn, > using a dremel 1.5" diamond wheel for a cutting tool, then I wrote a > similar bit of c

[Emc-users] Question re crooked headstock

2014-05-04 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; Today, after fighting with it yesterday and putting in nearly 10 thou of x taper in 2.25" of Z travel before I got anywhere near a straight turn, using a dremel 1.5" diamond wheel for a cutting tool, then I wrote a similar bit of code to turn the end of the shaft down to 6.35mm,