Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2011-03-21 Thread fi
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:06 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: I blew out the only 74HC (74HC04 NAND) part in my junk box, so I cut my charge pump circuit down to this: ~ _ _ Buffer Card Output _| |_| |_

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2011-03-21 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 17:00 +0200, fi wrote: ... snip (Hope is not to late...) Why don't you use one of Mariss Freimanis circuits ?!? http://www.artofcnc.ca/ChargePumpSafety.pdf or this from EDN Hardware watchdog timer accepts range of frequencies

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 12:28 -0500, John Kasunich wrote: Sorry to be so chatty, but... ... snip But if the cylinder is too small, pumped too slowly, or the leak is too big, then the pumping might not be able to keep up with the leak. In that case, make the leak

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread dambacher-retrofit.de
Am 13.12.2010 15:56, schrieb Stephen Wille Padnos: I don't think this is a concern. People who have hardware that removes the need for a base thread very likely also have a watchdog feature in their hardware. I know the Mesa and Pico products do, and I believe the Pluto does as well.

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread cogoman
On 12/12/2010 01:49 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: There is then a lot to be said for removing IC1C, so the slow input is discriminated only once. If pins 1 3 are then connected, any small same-chip threshold variation will have negligible effect, because here the

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread Jon Elson
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: (I'm not sure about Motenc and STG) STG does not have a complete watchdog. Years ago I used the STG. It produces a pulse that cycles when there is input to the various DAC channels. You need to provide an external circuit of the missing pulse detector sort

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread Roland Jollivet
I don't know if it's been pointed out, but those caps on the regulator are in the wrong place. (on the diagram below) and a trivial point; I don't know how you selected which gate where, but when it comes to laying the board, change inverter number 1-6 to suit the mechanics, and choose tie-up or

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 20:39 +0200, Roland Jollivet wrote: I don't know if it's been pointed out, but those caps on the regulator are in the wrong place. (on the diagram below) Oops. That's such a bad mistake, I made myself laugh. Err... I was just testing to see if anyone would notice. This

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 16:36 +0100, dambacher-retrofit.de wrote: Am 13.12.2010 15:56, schrieb Stephen Wille Padnos: I don't think this is a concern. People who have hardware that removes the need for a base thread very likely also have a watchdog feature in their hardware. I know the

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread Karl Schmidt
Back in the '80s, we used to do something similar that also took care of the reset pulse width. (See attached). The values of the C's and Rs set the reset pulse width and wtdog time. We needed to have an ultra reliable system, but problem was that some power glitches could hang up processors.

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-13 Thread dambacher-retrofit.de
Am 13.12.2010 22:52, schrieb Kirk Wallace: On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 16:36 +0100, dambacher-retrofit.de wrote: Am 13.12.2010 15:56, schrieb Stephen Wille Padnos: I don't think this is a concern. People who have hardware that removes the need for a base thread very likely also have a watchdog

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-12 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:08 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: ... snip there is much greater risk of slightly different input thresholds causing the outputs to contest, thereby trying to short +5v to ground, when the input is slowly changing. (Counted in nanoseconds) There is then a lot to be

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-12 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:49:33AM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: I need to add a voltage regulator and filter caps, but there is no magic there. I've noticed Matt's circuit is leaner because it doesn't need one. My circuit might be improved with some I/O protection, but that will make

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Peter Blodow
Hello gentlemen, lately, I saw a lot of attempts to get schematic drawings of circuitry over the email line using ordinary sign characters, e.g. backslash or underscore or the like. Please keep in mind that these signs may make up a sensible sketch on your screen as you send it down the line,

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
Peter, As long as the list accepts attachments, that would work. Anybody have the definitive answer on whether the list is set up to accept attachments? Mark At 06:29 AM 12/11/2010, you wrote: Hello gentlemen, lately, I saw a lot of attempts to get schematic drawings of

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:51:51 -0800 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Here is my latest stab at an all analog charge pump: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/chpmp-5a.png I'm thinking the opto-isolator on the input might be a good thing, but using an IC for one

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:29 +0100, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: Hello gentlemen, lately, I saw a lot of attempts to get schematic drawings of circuitry over the email line using ordinary sign characters, e.g. backslash or underscore or the like. Please keep in mind that these

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 17:53 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: ... snip Adding a pull-down resitor to OK1's emitter, followed by the 3 spare CMOS gates, wired in parallel, will provide the required push-pull drive to C1. (And remove the problem of wasted gates.) Thanks Erik. I to study what

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 12:29 +0100, Peter Blodow wrote: Hello gentlemen, lately, I saw a lot of attempts to get schematic drawings of circuitry over the email line using ordinary sign characters, e.g. backslash or underscore or the like. The ASCII art is just me getting lazy. I was hoping

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:12 -0800, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: The circuit works properly to detect non-AC input. It's just when the +5 input is connected, there is a one pump charge that gets through which is large enough to bring the output cap up a couple of volts in a

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:37:03AM -0500, John Kasunich wrote: Email is a pure text medium. Not HTML, not rich-text, not formatted text, just plain text. That includes using non-' proportional fonts. If your email client is using proportional fonts, you should be able to tell it not to.

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 09:12:24AM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 17:53 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: ... snip Adding a pull-down resitor to OK1's emitter, followed by the 3 spare CMOS gates, wired in parallel, will provide the required push-pull drive to C1. (And

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 15:59 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: ... snip That's controlled by the C1/C2 ratio. Consider the charge Q tranferred from C1 to C2 on one pulse: C1*V1 = Q = C2*V2 If C2 = 10*C1, then V2 = V1/10 , minus diode drops. I found that even without a resistor across

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:06:29PM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 15:59 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: ... snip That's controlled by the C1/C2 ratio. Consider the charge Q tranferred from C1 to C2 on one pulse: C1*V1 = Q = C2*V2 If C2 = 10*C1, then V2 = V1/10

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 22:26 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:06 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: Some corrections: 74HC04=Hex Inverter, I tried a 2in NOR, but it's all the same. I blew out the only 74HC (74HC04 NAND) part in my junk box, so I cut my ... snip I also wired this

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 20:51 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip I changed C2 from .1uF to .33uF. The 1kHz pumped voltage is now a little higher, ~4 V with very little ripple, and the decay rate is about the same. ... snip Oops, I forgot to mention, the larger cap helped with the DC high input

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:51:51PM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 22:26 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:06 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip I also wired this up: +- O'Scope _ _ | _| |_| |

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Charge Pump

2010-12-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 20:06 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: Some corrections: 74HC04=Hex Inverter, I tried a 2in NOR, but it's all the same. I blew out the only 74HC (74HC04 NAND) part in my junk box, so I cut my ... snip I also wired this up: +- O'Scope _ _