Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-16 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 16 Oct 2017, at 18:31, Dave Cole wrote: > > That is not normally done on a CNC lathe even if you are doing feed per rev. Indeed. In feed-per-rev mode LinuxCNC used the spindle velocity feedback rather than position. I did have a spindle that lost track below

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-16 Thread John Dammeyer
4 LCD used display I bought on Friday. But smaller. Just a tad... John > -Original Message- > From: Dave Cole [mailto:linuxcncro...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-16-17 10:32 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-16 Thread Dave Cole
om] Sent: October-16-17 5:29 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black On 15 October 2017 at 18:58, John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com> wrote: Anyway, back to the Beagle and the QEP. A 1000 line encoder on the spindle and 100

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-16 Thread John Dammeyer
evelopment of the ELS. John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-16-17 5:29 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On 15 October 2017 at 18:58, John Dammeyer &

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-16 Thread andy pugh
On 15 October 2017 at 18:58, John Dammeyer wrote: > Anyway, back to the Beagle and the QEP. A 1000 line encoder on the spindle > and 1000 line encoder on the lead screw motor results in 4000 PPR for each. > To turn a 1:1 thread they both have to be turning the same

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-16 Thread John Dammeyer
eagle to a Lathe. John > -Original Message- > From: Frederic RIBLE [mailto:fri...@teaser.fr] > Sent: October-15-17 10:22 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On 2017-10-15 19:58, John Dammeyer wro

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Frederic RIBLE
On 2017-10-15 19:58, John Dammeyer wrote: I mentioned 10uS period because that's what I read is the PRU interrupt rate and why the machine kit can't do more than 50kHz stepping pulses.Don't know if that's true either now because that information might also be old. 10uS is the standard

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread John Dammeyer
rederic RIBLE [mailto:fri...@teaser.fr] > Sent: October-15-17 2:33 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > As far as I know, PRU micro-code is using sampling for counting. > I have validate up to 100 kHz, with a PRU

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2017 11:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: Hi Jon, With respect to high speed encoder interface using the PRU on the Beagle I may have misunderstood the comment from Charles from the second link below. I'm thinking a 6000 RPM spindle with a 1000 line encoder detecting in quadrature. That's

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Frederic RIBLE
On 2017-10-15 14:18, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: Yes, 1024ppr is overkill. And my RVP510 encoder is capable of lower resolution because it is programmable! I use to prefer some margin, you turn down resolution because it's higher than needed? I am using 1024ppr, probably with lot of margin for

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > The simple answer being to use a 500 or 250 line encoder. > > > > (That hexagonal boring demo I showed earlier was using a home-machined > > 50-slot code wheel) > Yes, 1024ppr is overkill. And my RVP510 encoder is capable of lower > resolution because it is programmable! I use to prefer some

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Lester Caine
On 15/10/17 01:32, John Dammeyer wrote: > It's not CNC. Isn't meant to be CNC. Operates more like you would a > manual lathe. Some people love it. Others probably put it on the shelf and > switched to CNC. We still have a good following in the E-Leadscrew Yahoo > group and there we talk

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Frederic RIBLE
On 2017-10-15 11:37, andy pugh wrote: The simple answer being to use a 500 or 250 line encoder. (That hexagonal boring demo I showed earlier was using a home-machined 50-slot code wheel) Yes, 1024ppr is overkill. And my RVP510 encoder is capable of lower resolution because it is programmable!

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 October 2017 at 10:33, Frederic RIBLE wrote: > 6000 rpm is exactly the upper limit I have with my ECMO-120P lathe. > With my 1024 ppr spindle encoder, the pulse rate is above 100 kHz. > Possible with PRU, but close to the limit in regards to the overall > performance.

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-15 Thread Frederic RIBLE
n [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] Sent: October-14-17 7:55 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black On 10/14/2017 03:14 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: I'll see if I can find that link. From what I remember it's specific PRU code for the Beagle that

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
(pull requests greatly appreciated!). :) Charles Steinkuehler" > -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > Sent: October-14-17 7:55 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Blac

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2017 03:14 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: I'll see if I can find that link. From what I remember it's specific PRU code for the Beagle that needs to be written for the Lathe part and that was never done. But, there is NO specific PRU code for a lathe. What you need are steps (assuming a

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
" touch screen cape. More in a bit about the future. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: October-14-17 5:02 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > O

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Gene Heskett
or the link. > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > Sent: October-14-17 1:42 PM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > On Saturday 14 Oc

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
displays are small and light > > and there are all sorts of other things. That's why the interest in > > the Beagle. Where LinuxCNC or MACH wasn't an option 15 years ago after > > I finished the Gingery Lathe I now have a much better outfitted shop, > > still no time, but it

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Gene Heskett
ure it fits by > > carving scrap shafting first. That was harder stuff than the barrel > > itself was. > > > > > And to be truthful, for the amount I use the lathe and the number > > > of metric threads I cut the ELS is the perfect solution. Perhaps > > >

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On 10/14/2017 03:38 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: > > As I recall, there was a specific comment that lathes were not yet > > supported. > It doesn't make sense. Lathes were fully

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
et > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On Saturday 14 October 2017 04:38:57 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > As I recall, there was a specific comment that lathes were not yet > > supported. For now I think I'll leave it alone because even if it

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2017 03:38 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: As I recall, there was a specific comment that lathes were not yet supported. It doesn't make sense. Lathes were fully supported for several years before the schism/fork of Machinekit. So, all features that were in LinuxCNC before that should all

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Gene Heskett
-Original Message- > > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > > Sent: October-13-17 10:01 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > On 10/13/2017 05:13 PM, John Dammeyer

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 October 2017 04:25:30 andy pugh wrote: > On 14 October 2017 at 01:23, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I asked once for a link to the sources of pyvcp, > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/python/pyvcp_widg >ets.py Puzzling Andy, there is a pin,

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 October 2017 04:25:30 andy pugh wrote: > On 14 October 2017 at 01:23, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I asked once for a link to the sources of pyvcp, > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/python/pyvcp_widg >ets.py I'll have to look again Andy,

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
> I do 90% of my lathe work using a set of macro screens set up for the > conventional operations. You can make a surprising amount that way, > especially when you add automatic tapers and exit radii. > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros > > (That's basically your ELS on X and

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On 2017-10-14 00:21, andy pugh wrote: > > > I lost track of Machinekit a while ago. Do they have any > > encoder-counting facility in the PRU? > > > > If they have then the rest is just config. (editing text fil

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 October 2017 at 09:38, John Dammeyer wrote: > At this point if I did add a Beagle to do CNC on the lathe I'd want to > include the 4.3" touch screen cape and use a similar interface that I have > for the ELS. I just don't have a need for a CNC lathe. I do 90% of

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
; From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-14-17 12:10 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > Lots of platform solutions today. I just found a very affordable FPGA > card. Ch

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread John Dammeyer
Thank you for the suggestion. I know it's something that should be followed up. John > -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > Sent: October-13-17 10:01 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 October 2017 at 01:23, Gene Heskett wrote: > I asked once for a link to the sources of pyvcp, https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/python/pyvcp_widgets.py -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Chris Albertson
Lots of platform solutions today. I just found a very affordable FPGA card. Cheap enough to experiment with and if it don't work out no loss newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADD... New

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-14 Thread Frederic RIBLE
On 2017-10-14 00:21, andy pugh wrote: I lost track of Machinekit a while ago. Do they have any encoder-counting facility in the PRU? If they have then the rest is just config. (editing text files...) Yes, Machinekit has nice PRU encoder facility with eQEP: high-speed quadrature + index.

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/13/2017 05:13 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: The desire for the Beagle with me was originally that with LinuxCNC and a quadrature encoder on the spindle along with the hardware QEP handled by the PRU we'd have an awesome little lathe controller. Alas, that's the one thing in MachineKit that

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
; Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > Pathpilot does not work out of the box. (Unless you have a tormach or a > machine setup exactly like a tormach..)� If anything it is harder to > configure than linuxcnc.� It isn't meant to be.� It is missing stuff > th

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread sam sokolik
Pathpilot does not work out of the box. (Unless you have a tormach or a machine setup exactly like a tormach..)  If anything it is harder to configure than linuxcnc.  It isn't meant to be.  It is missing stuff that normal linuxcnc has. There seems to be a very warped view of linuxcnc. 

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Albertson
Andy, Of course one pulse per revolution can work. Those who argue it can't are likely not thinking how to compute shaft velocity. Still, you get a tighter loop with more pulses per revolution and as Gene wrote, it is not hard to make an encoder. Thanks for the hexagonal boring video. I

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:53 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 13 October 2017 at 22:30, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > Yes, I think there is no choice but to reverse engineer PathPilot. > > What is it about PathPilot that you like? > > Have you seen

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 13 October 2017 18:21:15 andy pugh wrote: > On 13 October 2017 at 23:13, John Dammeyer wrote: > > The desire for the Beagle with me was originally that with LinuxCNC > > and a quadrature encoder on the spindle along with the hardware QEP > > handled by the PRU

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 13 October 2017 14:45:33 andy pugh wrote: > On 13 October 2017 at 18:41, John Dammeyer wrote: > > The advantage of an XML file is that it's possible to use a software > > tool to create a more structured document with less chances for > > error. > > I just

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
Lathe part work. John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-13-17 3:21 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On 13 October 2017 at 23:13, John Dammeyer &

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 October 2017 at 23:13, John Dammeyer wrote: > The desire for the Beagle with me was originally that with LinuxCNC and a > quadrature encoder on the spindle along with the hardware QEP handled by the > PRU we'd have an awesome little lathe controller. Alas, that's

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
, since MachineKit is LinuxCNC and can thread on a lathe. But not yet... John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-13-17 3:02 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the B

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Martin Dobbins wrote: >> My guess is that Path pilot is probably easier to use than Mach 3 or Mach >> 4 and easier for Tormach to support which is why they made the decision to >> move away from their previous software offerings I think it

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 October 2017 at 22:30, Chris Albertson wrote: > Yes, I think there is no choice but to reverse engineer PathPilot. What is it about PathPilot that you like? Have you seen NativeCAM? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes, I think there is no choice but to reverse engineer PathPilot. However the best place to start is by looking at the source code and seeing what they did.As for licensing I'd bet much of it is GPL'd and some is closed source.Even the GPL's stuff is going to be very specific to Tormach

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 October 2017 at 18:41, John Dammeyer wrote: > The advantage of an XML file is that it's possible to use a software tool to > create a more structured document with less chances for error. I just remembered: If you like XML you will _love_ PyVCP. It's a way to make

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 October 2017 at 18:41, John Dammeyer wrote: > Of course if you've never worked with something like XMLNotepad I can see why > you'd be confused. I think I am confused because one person appears to be talking about using XML in place of the INI file and another

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
dead. > > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: October-13-17 11:00 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > >

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
at this point this subject line is dead. John > -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-13-17 11:00 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > >

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 13 October 2017 at 08:20, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > There's no reason to not have an XML file (or larger database for that > matter) that includes min/max/default values along with several

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
out how to control my X axis. John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-13-17 2:49 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > On 13 October 2017 at 08:

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread jeremy youngs
Thank you Andy On Oct 13, 2017 4:49 AM, "andy pugh" wrote: > On 13 October 2017 at 08:20, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > There's no reason to not have an XML file (or larger database for that > matter) that includes min/max/default values along with

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 October 2017 at 08:20, John Dammeyer wrote: > There's no reason to not have an XML file (or larger database for that > matter) that includes min/max/default values along with several strings for > help information. Who will maintain this XML file? PnCConf uses

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
and run LinuxCNC? That seems to be the tone. John > -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: October-13-17 12:49 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black >

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:20 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: > True, > There's no reason to not have an XML file (or larger database for that > matter) that includes min/max/default values along with several strings for > help information. In fact a default format and

[Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-13 Thread John Dammeyer
True, There's no reason to not have an XML file (or larger database for that matter) that includes min/max/default values along with several strings for help information. In fact a default format and standard might even be a good idea. Might be better than abstract configuration files stored

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 12 Oct 2017, at 18:40, sam sokolik wrote: > -Purchase the acorn from centroid. Not too expensive - unless you want the > bells and whistles of the 'ultimate' software (add $499 to the price of the > hardware) http://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_diy/acorn_cnc_controller.html Interesting

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread John Dammeyer
Nice. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O60aKSgUUts > > > > sam > > > Thanks for mentioning my little project Sam! Long way to go yet before it > is really usable though > > Cheers, > Kurt -- Check out the

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Kurt Jacobson
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:40 PM, sam sokolik wrote: > as far as screen editing - I never felt the need for it. Sure it would be > neat. I get buy adding side panels to the existing gui for extra things I > need. > Gscreen is a possiblilty also someone is working on a

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread sam sokolik
al Message- From: Marcus Bowman [mailto:marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk] Sent: October-12-17 7:11 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black On 12 Oct 2017, at 13:35, andy pugh wrote: On 11 October 2017 at 22:30, Martin D

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 October 2017 at 17:47, John Dammeyer wrote: > Let's change the subject line to something like "How to clone Path Pilot on > LinuxCNC" since I doubt they are using a Beagle. No they use a generic PC and a Mesa 5i25. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread John Dammeyer
achine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > On 12 Oct 2017, at 13:35, andy pugh wrote: > > > On 11 October 2017 at 22:30, Martin Dobbins <tu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> now it needs some people to turn Path Pil

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Martin Dobbins
It was in response to comparisons being made to commercial software such as Apple, Microsoft, Google and Tormach. Money is not required to make progress, it sometimes makes it faster, though. The work that is going on right now to make Path Pilot run on any machine that can run Linuxcnc

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 October 2017 at 15:11, Marcus Bowman wrote: > Intriguing... > So; can you comment on those things Tormach have done with hardware as they > created PathPilot; and the ease with which it might be made to run on more > 'ordinary' machines and setups? I

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 12 Oct 2017, at 13:35, andy pugh wrote: > On 11 October 2017 at 22:30, Martin Dobbins wrote: >> now it needs some people to turn Path Pilot into something that will run on >> any machine that runs linuxcnc > > The only thing in the way of that is the things that Tormach

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread andy pugh
On 11 October 2017 at 22:30, Martin Dobbins wrote: > What it needs is money, unfortunately. Why do you say that? We have got this far without any money. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread andy pugh
On 11 October 2017 at 22:30, Martin Dobbins wrote: > now it needs some people to turn Path Pilot into something that will run on > any machine that runs linuxcnc The only thing in the way of that is the things that Tormach have done specifically to make it difficult (or so

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread N. Christopher Perry
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Martin Dobbins wrote: > > What it needs is money, unfortunately. > > > The heavy lifting has already been done by the person who put together Path > Pilot, now it needs some people to turn Path Pilot into something that will > run on any

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
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Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
One of the newer thin clients should be able to run LCNC very nicely. I finally got my Light Machines mill shifted out to where I can get at it to work with it. Just need to get unbusy with other things so I can see about putting DOS on a WYSE S30 to run its old software. It'll work with

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Bruce Layne
On 10/12/2017 05:49 AM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: Earlier this year I downloaded the latest release of Ubuntu and installed it on an old laptop. I wanted to change the time/date display. Does it have a dialog box where one can simply... change the time and date format? No. You

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Earlier this year I downloaded the latest release of Ubuntu and installed it on an old laptop. I wanted to change the time/date display. Does it have a dialog box where one can simply... change the time and date format? No. You have to search online or ask on a forum for the 'secret code'

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-12 Thread Chris Albertson
If I were to build and sell commercial machine controllers and did not want to have to port my code to SBC of the day I would divide it into three discount chunks 1) hard real time. It would run one ARM Cortex M. These are $1 to $2 chips. Like very powerful PRUs. I would run a very light with

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
> There is now FPC (Free Pascal Compiler) that is quite > compatible with Borland Turbo Pascal extensions. > I ported an old Turbo Pascal application from a Windows > environment to Linux with that, and it went very well. > I don't know how compatible it is with actual Delphi code > and

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/11/2017 05:46 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Is Dephi free? The last thing you need an open source code base that depends in a non-free tool chain. There is now FPC (Free Pascal Compiler) that is quite compatible with Borland Turbo Pascal extensions. I ported an old Turbo Pascal application

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/11/2017 04:34 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: It is from May 18th, 2013. They moved to Rev C of the beaglebone black in March 2014. They have not updated the black since then. Functionally, the page looks to still be ballpark. Personally, I think TI has dropped the black from their roadmap. I

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/11/2017 03:57 PM, Charles Buckley wrote: It is from May 18th, 2013. They moved to Rev C of the beaglebone black in March 2014. They have not updated the black since then. Functionally, the page looks to still be ballpark. Personally, I think TI has dropped the black from their roadmap.

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/11/2017 12:56 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: Here's the thing though. To set up my motors I had to edit a text file. Most of the configuration can be done in the Machine/Calibration menu. Yes, there are a few things like the velocity limits and the soft travel limits that require editing.

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread dave
On 10/11/2017 10:56 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: If you can think it, you can pretty much do it with LinuxCNC. Jon Hi Jon, I don't disagree. The same can be said of Linux (and is by Linux proponents). Here's the thing though. To set up my motors I had to edit a text file. Oh wait, that's

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Everyone, Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. Now it's time to document my wiring and then turn the Y axis back to manual so I can make the X Axis parts. To summarize: Similar to Grizzley G3616 Mill 1200 oz-in stepper, 3:1 to 4 TPI knee drive with Gecko 10x Microstepper Driver.

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > John, > > Don't get hung up on text config files.� There is not that many. Most > things are done in two files (2). > You just admitted that you have done some programming..I knew that > before..� so you have no excuse. >

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 October 2017 at 18:56, John Dammeyer wrote: > Since MACH3 was available 10 years ago I'm still amazed that someone hasn't > cloned the user screens and basic functionality of MACH3 with LinuxCNC (or > even BBB MachineKit). Either it's an attitude in the form of why

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread jeremy youngs
Bottom line, you will not get even close to the support from mach that you will get here from this great bunch of users and developers. Not to sound snaky but maybe you should spend time in the documents and forum here. It has only taken me more than an hour to install, setup and run linuxcnc

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Dave Cole
John, Don't get hung up on text config files.  There is not that many. Most things are done in two files (2). You just admitted that you have done some programming..I knew that before..  so you have no excuse. If you can program Delphi, you can do the config for a LinuxCNC setup. There are

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Charles Buckley
I agree. I personally thought a 1GB or 2GB RAM beaglebone would have found a good niche market. Seeed is producing something called the Beaglebone Green, but they have pretty much the same specs. The real issue is that it is very cheap for new designers to launch single board computers. They are

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Chris Albertson
Is Dephi free? The last thing you need an open source code base that depends in a non-free tool chain. There are enough open source tools that it would not be hard to find one that works and is 100% cross platform. Java is pretty universal an OK for user interfaces on computers and iPhone. I

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 11 Oct 2017, at 22:30, Martin Dobbins wrote: > What it needs is money, unfortunately. > > > The heavy lifting has already been done by the person who put together Path > Pilot, now it needs some people to turn Path Pilot into something that will > run on any machine that runs linuxcnc,

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Martin Dobbins
What it needs is money, unfortunately. The heavy lifting has already been done by the person who put together Path Pilot, now it needs some people to turn Path Pilot into something that will run on any machine that runs linuxcnc, not just a Tormach spec PC. People who use Windows based cnc

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 11 Oct 2017, at 22:34, John Dammeyer wrote: >> It is from May 18th, 2013. >> >> They moved to Rev C of the beaglebone black in March 2014. They have not >> updated the black since then. Functionally, the page looks to still be >> ballpark. >> >> Personally, I think TI has dropped the black

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
> You have to think of LinuxCNC and Machine kit as raw materials that > you use to create a machine controller. There is no way these are > end user facing tools. > > The best example of a product made with these tools is "Path Pilot > > What is needed is an user-facing application along the

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
> It is from May 18th, 2013. > > They moved to Rev C of the beaglebone black in March 2014. They have not > updated the black since then. Functionally, the page looks to still be > ballpark. > > Personally, I think TI has dropped the black from their roadmap. I would > hesitate to move to it at

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Charles Buckley
It is from May 18th, 2013. They moved to Rev C of the beaglebone black in March 2014. They have not updated the black since then. Functionally, the page looks to still be ballpark. Personally, I think TI has dropped the black from their roadmap. I would hesitate to move to it at this point. You

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Chris Albertson
You have to think of LinuxCNC and Machine kit as raw materials that you use to create a machine controller. There is no way these are end user facing tools. The best example of a product made with these tools is "Path Pilot What is needed is an user-facing application along the lines of path

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
If you can > think it, you can pretty much do it with LinuxCNC. > > Jon > Hi Jon, I don't disagree. The same can be said of Linux (and is by Linux proponents). Here's the thing though. To set up my motors I had to edit a text file. Oh wait, that's standard Linux practice for everything.

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/10/2017 05:49 PM, Dave Cole wrote: John, Let me save you some time. Unless you are retiring in the next couple of years and swearing off everything CNC...convert to LinuxCNC now.If you are not happy with the performance on the BBB right now. Wait for a couple of years. It will

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/10/2017 11:47 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: Here's an interesting comparison for use of MachineKit on the BBB. https://sites.google.com/site/manisbutareed/beaglebone-black-linuxcnc This document is not dated, but a few things in it make me think it is more than several years old. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black

2017-10-11 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus Bowman [mailto:marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk] > Sent: October-10-17 11:56 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > > Impressed by the efficie

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