certainly turn up a showstopper. Perhaps even a few seconds of thought,
for the experts, would suffice to kill it. Even if it survives light
scrutiny ... well, as in everything space-related, the devil is in the
details.
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essential ingredients, for a simple failure to
be realistic.
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of
Europa's ocean finally being reached. In the meantime, however, I don't
see a *realistic* path to contributing directly to this goal in my remaining
lifetime. For me, there are better things to be involved in.
It's still a great goal, don't get me wrong
about that.
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Mark writes:
Sad. Could you imagine him saying something like
*economics* isn't his strong point? For some reason
it's okay to be bad at science.
The irony here is that (a) economics is also a science,
and (b) Blair (like most politicians) probably doesn't know
much about economics
have to see how it turns out. I'm 49, and I can't
exactly rule out seeing the beginnings of it.
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. Only awe and wonder. And joy at being here
to bear witness.
Well, we'll have to see how it turns out. I'm 49, and I can't
exactly rule out seeing the beginnings of it.
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up with in this update of
the deep-sea drama genre, it couldn't be worse than
Sphere. (OK, you loved it, flame me now.)
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talked about for ISS but not, to my knowledge,
implemented. I think they tend to get used where nothing else works very
well, instead of getting used everywhere they could offer benefits.
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-for-the-buck calculation, and I shouldn't really pretend
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n Earth microgravity lab conditions - drop towers
to start, thenVomit Comets, then short
suborbital jaunts
where you just let the mesh fall back into our
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for experimenting with that, cheaply: our own.
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the next Titan probe will have a windmill. (Obviously
useless on Europa.)
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Hey, I see a face! It looks just like the face
of this dessert chef I once knew who could whip up an excellent creme brulee
-michael
SURFACE OF SATURN'S MOON TITAN REVEALED IN
COLORTired and weary
after a sleepless night spent
at Huygens was
designed to float, if need be, but didn't splash down in anything after
all. Well, there's always a next time (cross your fingers.) Last I
heard, they'd gotten pretty dubious about bodies of liquid, but maybe that
picture is about to be revised again.
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e equipped to perform multiple "ice-chip"
experiments. That kind of probe is more likely to be within the realm of
existing technology - and getting a proposal within that realm greatly improves
its chances of being funded.
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current Moon-Mars program.
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had routine Shuttle flights, as promised, the
American public would be on the edge of their seats, week
after week, year after year.
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up - people who are talented and accomplished but ... well, mostly not very
interesting, at least from what gets filtered through the NASA PR
bureaucracy.
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on end, and all I can think is, how the surface of any planet could
be like that just beats the living crap out of me.
Did I say irritating? Sorry. I meant mysterious.
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ittedly-untried electrodynamic tether
could give you a JIMO-like grand tour of the major Jovian moons.
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There's pushing, but there's also
pulling. A good video documentary about Europa and the JIMO participants
would go a long way toward an important goal: awareness. I'm sure we've
allmentioned Europa and gotten blank stares.
Europa's big problem is that it's
Climb aboard and
dive below the ice of Jupiter's moon, Io, or get lost in a sulphuric acid storm
on Venus. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/spaceodyssey/
I don't think they meant that the way it
sounds.
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To:
In case you missed it, the Marsbugs newsletter from Larry had a great
comment by Steve Squyres about How to Succeed at NASA by Really Trying (with
enough resources - almost.)
MISSION TO MARS: RISKY BUSINESS
http://www.lyon.edu/projects/marsbugs/2004/20041101.txt
What
nds of thoughts that we associated more with
post-Enlightenment
science.
I score Gold maybe
1.9 out of 7. A good scientist sticks as close to zero as possible, though
I like Jeff Bell's idea that every accomplished scientist is entitled to one pet
wacko theory.
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explanations. The state of physics in Einstein's early
years favored revolutionary conservatism, because there
was no other way forward. And Einstein didn't want to be
a patent clerk the rest of his life - he wanted to move
forward, and in the right way.
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. We do ourselves no favor by promoting it ourselves. Only
promoting real scientific literacy can help.
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ong enough to withstand the crushing
pressures, as the bore closed up behind the probe melting its way through the
ice? Underwater acoustic communications with a transceiver attached to
that fiber on the underside of the ice might keep the probe in contact with the
surface.
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ustic communications
with a transceiver attached to that fiber on the underside of the ice
might keep the probe in contact with the surface.
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If radar worked through ice, it would probably work
through water. Submarines echolocate by sonar, rather than radar.
That should tell you something. (This, by the way, may be a flaw in
Deception Point. I'd been assuming that the meteorite buried deep in
Arctic ice in that novel was
All I know is: I like Bell's
writing, and if he's technically off-base, it's been over my head so far -
unlike a number of other commentators who have appeared on SpaceDaily.com.
(Someday I should publish a list of my own mistakes.)
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ological as the first 50 pages, and as off-base technologically as
the first 50 pages, there's a small book's worth to be written about how Dan
Brown gets it wrong. And what would be the point?
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certainly be worthy of a scene from a James Bond movie if it
worked.)
OK, I'll go back to playing with matches
now.
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for
Robert Zubrin, but I guesshe's not exactly alone in that.
The main thing I got from his op-ed is that
sample return really is an important capability - we should be trying to get it
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, make sure that's what he believes, first.
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atmosphere. I think the
Russians lost a couple cosmonauts to chute system failure.
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. The Stardust material is an almost lighter-than-air foam.
I
forget the name, but I got to hold a piece when my 10-year-old daughter
and
I went to JPL's open house this summer.)
Aerogel?
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by the True Human Spirit, about which Those Scientists know Nothing." I
think that's a tall order. A tough job. But somebody's gotta do
it.
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'junk' DNA amounts to. I wish I did know. The only explanation I can
think of is a hazy memory of a paper by a guy writing about energy and
computation, in which he said that we should keep in mind that erasing bits
costs energy too. Collecting garbage isn't easy either. It may be
that e
that I'm going to have to think about how
to respond to...]
Well, think hard. ;-)
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, in this context, 'havingenough
atmospheric stability, for long enough,to support life as we know
it.')
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the Bible Belt in America, the possible theological flak screens I've
outlined above might even help out, politically. You could say, "We've got
your damage control arguments all ready in advance - not to worry!" Who
knows?
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That's an interesting design problem, but a virtually
immortal species might have plenty of time to work
out the bugs. Whether or not we turn on the machine
might be left to us to decide.
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we can currently
conceive. After all, if they are out there, the Drake
Equation predicts they've been out there as an
advanced technological civilization for much, much
longer than we have. We can't even imagine what sort
of contact they would find interesting.
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and they may still be on a level of intelligence where
they'd find us interesting. At the moment I don't see
this one as very likely.
I'm sure there are a few more, but they probably
related to scenarios in which contact is technologically
possible, but Singularity, for some reason, is not.
-michael
that 12 hours. Less than a million years, anyway.
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to do these otherprojects X and Y, etc." - all depend on whether
the X/Y projects are a fait accompli. They are not, as far as I can tell.
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than
heat diffusion. And that can happen: hold an ice cube half-immersed in hot
water and soon you'll be holding half an ice cube - a half which will still be
freezing cold even if the water below itis near boiling.
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Seconding (I hope) what Mark says below:
Something people may be missing: all great humor
has some admixture of self-deprecating wit - usually
involving posing as a half-wit. (Twain's Quitting
smoking is easy - why, I've done it hundreds of times
is my favorite example.)
I don't know about all
ip - ideally,
NON-partisan spokemanship (if that isn't too much to ask). Europa doesn't
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Not sure where I'll take this - maybe nowhere.
Comments appreciated.
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rchers say its spectral signature has been TENTATIVELY detected by
sensors onboard the European Space Agency's orbiting Mars Express craft."
Emphasis mine. The article also speaks of
'nagging complexities' with analyzing the PFS data. We'll know more next
week, when the results go to confe
in this astrobiology game.
Don't worry, we won't rat on you to NSF. ;-)
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wanting their taxes spent on
projects that will bear fruit (if at all) after they are dead.
"There you go, sports fans, the emotional outpouring of a scientist with a
few stakes in this astrobiology game."
Don't worry, we won't rat on you to NSF.
;-)
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- that would be interesting, and maybe they could improvise some
measurements. Is snow possible there, from what we know?
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On the contrary - it appears that the probe
was specifically designed for a splashdown, with landing on a solid surface
considered less likely when it was designed. With no body of liquid to
both buffer its impact and provide the ideal environment for its Surface Science
Package, we
ace to get light from the
sun, it's close enough to get a very serious dose from Jupiter
itself.
It seems these colonies don't require a
mineral particle, by the way - they've been observed on glaciers where most of
the light absorption is from microbial waste products.
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Chalabi has been spying for the Iranians all this time! You gotta take
this call ..."
You slump forward in defeat. You dismiss your
space advisor. You take the call.
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itself to studying and eventual exploiting
comets, asteroids and polar regions on Mars, maybe
even the Moon if they find surface ice there?
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I can buy parallel evolution producing similar
shapes of creatures. But the plants being green
strikes me
not post this question to the bioastro
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Why wait 30 years? Couldn't we do some computer
incidence
- a shield against radiation reaching the surface
- some way to precipitate lighter gases (maybe including water vapor) back
to the surface so they don't top out at escape velocity.
Beats me, I'm no scientist.
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problem with this approach: the tether, having released
the penetrator probe, will go flying wildly off somewhere. If,
however, a counterweight incorporates an ion drive powered by
flying through Jupiter's magnetic field, maybe it could retrieve itself
and be reused somehow.
-michael turner
(circular) orbital velocity
is about 3440 mph, eastward, so there is a little delta V (about 1400
mph) to make up. Some portion of this would come from the vectored
rocket firing in the Hohmann transfer maneuver.
Jack
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, spores, and microbiology that ecosystems
depend on, with little trouble. Ditto for food ingredients.
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space up a bit (albeit negligibly.)
Is there such magic material?
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And you know the anti-nuke forces will not bother to
differentiate between some old Soviet satellites and
the new JIMO.
Science/Astronomy
-based scenarios prove out for putting the reactor
unfueled into a safe place, far out there, and getting plutonium to it safely,
and separately. Or it could be that they are both in the same laundry
disposal chute, ready to drop when the body politic lets go. Wish I
knew.
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, it seems to be the quickest way
past this issue. Trying to get past it by mining the asteroids is a
can't-get-there-from-here proposition - actually assuming you can already do
what you're trying to do in the first place.
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while on his deathbed, for GH Hardy?)
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the Man and the Titan Probe
Also See -
fusion finally starts
to pan out, it could help solve all ofthese advanced outer-planet probe
power problemsquite nicely, in the long run. (I hope I'm not
overinterpreting a recent decision to reviewproposals for continued work -
it's not like I *really* know anything, right? ;-)
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the foot -
precisely what he wants you to do.
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Michael,
OK, s
the case is closed yet. Unless I've
missed something.
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On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 08:24:37PM +0900, Michael Turner wrote:
So I'm still holding out for a possible CO2 sea/ocean/lake as an
explanation
for features that we, on our water planet, associate only with bodies of
water. That doesn't mean that there haven't *also* been bodies of water
that they were. If there's a chance to
nail this, now or soon, it should be taken. I know I'll accept the verdict
either way, so long as the trial is conducted fairly.
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priorities straight. Mars exploration
should continue, don't get me wrong. But if the overarching question is
whether there is another planet with life in the solar system, Europa still
seems to me to be what Donald Rumsfeld might call a target-rich zone. ;-)
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. For one thing, the peer-review
processes for such findings are byzantine, and reportedly feature a brutal
gauntlet for the non-specialist.
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n the same
environment, each from a different time, but with CO2 the main contributor to
the larger-scale phenomena? (By the way, that's not a rhetorical question,
because I'm not a planetary scientist. ;-)
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I think this discovery has the potential to ignite investigations that
rewrite the textbooks on the early solar system, in particular the capture
hypothesis for moons. Capture has been considered unlikely because of the
supposed rarity of close encounters, because of the relatively small size of
I loved this headline. "But," I thought, "my
space heater in my room mostly does use nuclear power, since Japan has so many
nuke plants. So what are they doing special up at Marshall."
*(boink)*
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Well, there's my case. Pick it apart, folks.
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snowones survive didn't
evolve under selective pressure over multiple planetary exchanges, but
simply already had the appropriate traits for unrelated, epiphenomenal
reasons.
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done in low earth orbit. Not everything has to be fast. If it takes
six
months or a year of ion propulsion to
move flywheels from orbit to orbit, but it can be done very cheaply, many
possibilities might open up.
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Desperately Seeking Relevance,
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s to yield
his seat to honeymooning couples one of these days, or space will remain forever
beyond the reach of all but governments of big countries. In the meantime,
space science just has to get better at taking its case to the voting
public.
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Patrick Hall writes:
The idea of substituting a virtual presence for actually visiting a
physical location worked all
right in 1960s science fiction, and satisfies the average teenager trying
to avoid using their
college computer for serious study, but cannot be regarded as 'the real
thing'.
is a scenario that nobody, to my knowledge, predicted back in the
50s and 60s. I can't remember ever seeing it in science fiction, which I
used to read a lot of. To my mind, that's almost an argument in favor of it.
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2) As Michael has already explained, it will take a lot of effort to
terraform a planet.
Caca. Almost all of the people involved in in the Mars debate do
*not* understand nanotechnology.
I never said it would take a lot of effort. I DID imply that it wouldn't
be happening any time
many atomic nuclei
can dance on the head of a pin, but we probably have to see those nuclei
dance, someday, one way or another.
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a stone although I guess people are getting better
at nanometric manipulation every day.
By the way, who is this we, Gary? Are *you* actually working
on relevant instrumentation? ;-)
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In a pathetically desperate attempt at Icepick topic relevance, it's
worth
mething, or at least not lose as much as they'd
otherwise lose. And the bigger winners might be able to pay their own way to Mars,
confident that it's truly an earned privilege.
And if it doesn't work out? It would at least set useful precedents and foster
productive negotiating rel
orbital junk and
reuse it for parts and
materials. And a cheaply launchable tug might
be the best investment in
that direction.
-michael turner
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us are any worse off for understanding how
they make their choices.
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wonder
if anyone knows what's going to happen at the biotech/nanotech interface
even 3 years out, at this rate. For all we know, space elevator reasoning
may seem crudely extrapolative in 10 years, with either much better
approaches discovered, or all hopes dashed.
-michael turner
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he sharper aerospace engineers of my acquaintance told me once that when
he sees the Shuttle on the launch pad, he's looking at the gantry, not the
ship. That's the mentality required, I think.
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the growth of it has touched
down on the surface of the Moon, is in anchoring it strongly enough to the
Moon.
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very tired. He pulls
something out of his pocket.
Want to hold a moon rock? he asks. I've also got a chunk of a captured
asteroid
And you act bored. Because that's SO two years ago.
-michael turner
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On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 21:53, Michael Turner wrote:
My take on this: the right kind of space elevator need not compete for
orbital space with an Earth-Moon tether. A space elevator moving in the
equa
of molecules hitting each other. Heating
doesn't require a hotter source making something else warmer. If you hit a
piece of metalwith a hammer, it gets warmer, even if the hammer head is
much colder than what it's striking.
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ee a smart pol step up to that plate in full
public view, even with 15 astronauts and 12 Nobelists clustered around the
podium.
-michael turner
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offrey Baehr at USVP,also a 13-year veteran of Sun
Microsystems. USVP -- I think they wisely *didn't* invest in a Silicon
Valley startup I joined over 15 years ago.
-michael turner
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equation was first being discussed) was
a reasonable hypothesis: we're early birds; not many arrivals at the
party just yet. I.e., the universe may have huge potential for life,
but that potential is only now being realized. Sort of a good news/bad
news situation.
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