Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Lee Hart via EV wrote: I had a 1980 C-car. Its charger was pretty crude, but it was a little more than this... http://www.evdl.org/docs/c_car_charger.jpg Yep; that's it! :-) This circuit is in my 1973 GE SCR manual, and goes back even further than that (GE Ap

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:35 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > On 31 May 2015 at 22:48, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > >> In this case, the ComutaCar charger is *not* voltage regulated, nor >> current limited, nor is there any shut-off timer. It is nothing but a >> big transformer and rectifier. >

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2015-05-31 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Nope, > I have a little experience with charging older style Li-Ion batteries > by hand and the resting voltage is typically a rather fixed amount (delta) > below the charging voltage, > no matter how high you charged them. > If y

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 31 May 2015 at 22:48, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > In this case, the ComutaCar charger is *not* voltage regulated, nor > current limited, nor is there any shut-off timer. It is nothing but a > big transformer and rectifier. I had a 1980 C-car. Its charger was pretty crude, but it was a little m

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
One place where Lithium may work better over Lead is for instant/auto start/stop applications. Ben Goren via EV wrote: I would think that such systems will have a relatively short life in the design studios. If you've got an hybrid of any flavor, the electric traction motor is going to be far m

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Chinese LiFePO4 goes pretty cheap, but that's not the end of it. He'd also need at least a BMS, and probably a new charger. (With some electronics background, he might be able to hack up a way for the BMS to control the C- car charger.) David Nelson via EV wrote: I don't understand why so man

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > > I wouldn't suggest lithium for him, but not because it's overkill for the > car - more because it might be overkill for him. How can a maintenance free battery that doesn't cause corrosion be overkill for him? > > Chinese LiFe

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Dennis Berube via EV
would welcome any other creative ideas > anybody might have! > > b& > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 801 bytes > Desc: Message signed wit

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Ben, From http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/hot-climate-design The most important factors are: - ceiling should be insulated to at least R-30 - use highly reflective roofing - replace incandescent lighting with fluorescents (or LEDs) I would add to that insulating the we

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: They might be open to keeping the window A/C unit in the garage for the purposes of keeping the batteries cool. Seems like that might be the only other measure worth considering. I live in Minnesota, where we have the opposite problems with our garages -- keeping them *

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Mr23 via EV
You could try using LeafSpy to check the battery condition. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Turbo3.Leaf_Spy_Lite Peri mentioned ventilating, but I would run it only when outdoor air temps are at least 5 degrees below indoor air temp. Night time pre-cooling for the following d

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
sidering. > > > > Thanks, all -- but I certainly would welcome any other creative ideas > > anybody might have! > > > > b& > > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: sig

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2015-05-31 Thread Jamie K via EV
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2015-05-31 Thread Joe via EV
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Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
ve enough left in the batteries for all electric...won't be worth engineering for. Cheers, b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMai

Re: [EVDL] MILE-Stone (for me)

2015-05-31 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Jay Summet via EV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2015 10:33 PM, Ben Goren wrote: > On May 31, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Jay Summet via EV > wrote: > >> The 2013 battery modules do have more "air holes" in them for >> passive thermal heating than the 2011/2012 modules. > > That sparks another in

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
had that I'm hoping somebody might be able to shed=20 >>>>> some insight into...they'll be keeping the car in the garage, but the= >> =20 >>>>> garage isn't climate controlled. It probably won't quite get to=20 >>>>> today&#x

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Jay Summet via EV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > But the truth is that lead SLI batteries are good enough for the > job, and they are CHEAP... cheap wins every time. > One place where Lithium may work better over Lead is for instant/auto start/stop applications. (where the starter is much lar

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Jay Summet via EV
t; >>>>> >>>>> Everybody's excited. It should be well and truly perfect >>>>> for them. >>>>> >>>>> One thought I had that I'm hoping somebody might be able to >>>>> shed=20 some insi

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: You may see lithium SLI batteries in very high end ICEVs. At least one luxury car manufacturer (BMW?) is already using them. Yes; it becomes a marketing "feature", used to sell cars even if there's no advantage. The more features, the better, even if the buyer

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
but the= > =20 >>>> garage isn't climate controlled. It probably won't quite get to=20 >>>> today's forecasted high of 108=C2=B0F inside the garage, but it'll=20 >>>> definitely get rather toasty. >>>> >>>> What

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
with nobody inside? Would that actually do anything to make the batteries happier? b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with O

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Power transmitted wirelessly to run 4 In-Wheel e-Motors

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Paul Dove via EV wrote: It's called inductive charging. I have a toothbrush that uses this technology. GM was the first to do this with electric cars with the EV1 but they never put it into production that I know of. Hi Paul, Inductive charging is in fact a lot older. There were inductive ch

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 05/31/2015 02:03 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: So, Dad just drove Mom home in a 2013 Leaf. ~12k miles, California vehicle; couldn't tell it from new. There was one bar missing from the charge gauge; the numeric meter read, "98%." Everybody's excited. It should be well and truly perfect for th

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Power transmitted wirelessly to run 4 In-Wheel e-Motors

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It's called inductive charging. I have a toothbrush that uses this technology. GM was the first to do this with electric cars with the EV1 but they never put it into production that I know of. Sent from my iPhone > On May 31, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Peri Hartman via EV w

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2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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[EVDL] MILE-Stone (for me)

2015-05-31 Thread Buddy Mills via EV
I know that a lot of you have many more miles on your converted EVs than this but I was really excited today when my Electercel turned 10k electric miles. (10,042) Lithium really made a difference. March 2009 to Sept 2013 only 2,614 miles with Lead, could only do about 35 miles on a charge.

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 31 May 2015 at 11:18, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > our society creates an overwhelming pressure to keep doing the Same Old > Thing, no matter what, no matter how many better ideas come along, > until absolutely FORCED to change You may see lithium SLI batteries in very high end ICEVs. At least o

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: In general, we are rapidly approaching but not quite yet at the time when lithium trumps lead for all use cases. Once Tesla's Gigafactory comes online, we may well reach that point. It won't be all that long before starter batteries in ICE vehicles are lithium It'

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Power transmitted wirelessly to run 4 In-Wheel e-Motors

2015-05-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: From: "brucedp5 via EV" Researchers at University of Tokyo...the “world’s first in-wheel motor system for electric vehicles” that transmits power wirelessly to run motors attached with each wheel. If this was done in the USA, I'd say it was "click-bait" trolling for

[EVDL] EVent: EV test drives @bristol.evolutionshow.co.uk 6/6 Millennium-Sq

2015-05-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Fancy-test-driving-electric-car-Head-new-motor/story-26584515-detail/story.html Fancy test driving an electric car? Head down to a new motor show coming to Millennium Square May 28, 2015 [image http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Artic

[EVDL] EVLN: Neeson plans2 import&sell ELF solar-human-hybrids to Aussies

2015-05-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2015/05/28/4244171.htm Kalgoorlie's ELF: a solar-powered little helper. 28 May, 2015 By Nathan Morris [images http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2015/05/28/4244171.htm?xml=4244171-mediarss.xml&1432803559818 Kalgoorlie entrepreneur Tim Neeson in his workshop

[EVDL] EVLN: Tebara Zippee Fiji’s first three wheel nEV r:50km c:8h

2015-05-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.fbc.com.fj/fiji/29841/electric-car--zippee Electric car- Zippee [20150527] by: Julie Vatuwaliwali [image http://media.fbc.com.fj/news/2015/05/Zippee-electric_650x350.jpg The Zippee Taken from/By: FBC News Report ] Fiji’s first three wheel vehicle which runs on clean, renewable e

[EVDL] EVLN: Neeson plans2 import&sell ELF solar-human-hybrids 2Aussies

2015-05-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2015/05/28/4244171.htm Kalgoorlie's ELF: a solar-powered little helper. 28 May, 2015 By Nathan Morris [images http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2015/05/28/4244171.htm?xml=4244171-mediarss.xml&1432803559818 Kalgoorlie entrepreneur Tim Neeson in his workshop

[EVDL] EVLN: Tebara Zippee Fiji’s first 3wheel nEV r:50km c:8h

2015-05-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.fbc.com.fj/fiji/29841/electric-car--zippee Electric car- Zippee [20150527] by: Julie Vatuwaliwali [image http://media.fbc.com.fj/news/2015/05/Zippee-electric_650x350.jpg The Zippee Taken from/By: FBC News Report ] Fiji’s first three wheel vehicle which runs on clean, renewable e

[EVDL] EVLN: FOMM-semi-amphibious 4Person nEV, flooding be damned

2015-05-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/27/tiny-four-person-ev-concept-is-designed-to-float-on-water/ Four-Person EV Concept Is Designed To Be Able To Float May 27th, 2015 by Christopher DeMorro [images http://i0.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/fomm-concept-1.jpg http://i1.wp.com