Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

Yes, but emissions are lower. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Tom Keenan via EV wrote: > > Way OT here, but months ago we drove a rental truck across country. It was > an E85 flex-fuel rig. We stopped someplace in Corn Country and filled up on > ‘cheap

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

er 15, 2017 10:24 AM >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> Cc: Robert Bruninga; EVDL Administrator >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK > writer's EV- >> ignorance dogmatized) >> >> Round trip was 50 so 33 MPG or so

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

Way OT here, but months ago we drove a rental truck across country. It was an E85 flex-fuel rig. We stopped someplace in Corn Country and filled up on ‘cheap fuel’ (E85) instead of regular E10 because it happened to be available. Instead of getting 10-11 mpg as averaged for the first part of

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never* running on anything but > regular gas, What?? That's bonkers. At least where I live, E85 is way cheaper ( see https://goo.gl/maps/FCHNRzSm7TF2 ) - $2.45 per gallon

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

A Tesla would do that. So could any of the FCEVs. Whether the latter were feasible would depend on where you live. I also wonder if incentives for PIHs are impacting the offerings of automakers. If there were no PIH incentives, would we have longer range pure EVs? I don't know the answer.

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

*Today* you are absolutely correct. We'll see where we are "tomorrow." Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> A Tesla would do that. > > Not for the $12k I paid for my 2013 volt. > >> So could any of the FCEVs. Whether the latter

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

dl.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga via EV > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:24 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Robert Bruninga; EVDL Administrator > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV- > ignorance dogmatized) >

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized) On 14 Nov 2017 at 18:39, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > today, I had to go to a meeting 25 miles away ... I used another > gallon and a half of gas ... Youi got 16.7mpg with a Volt in ICEV mode? That isn't a typo? David Rode

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

> A Tesla would do that. Not for the $12k I paid for my 2013 volt. > So could any of the FCEVs. Whether the latter were feasible would depend on where you live. Not for the $12k I paid for my 2013 Volt. And the FCEV would be a royal pain in the tusch because It has to be refuled somewhere

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

On 14 Nov 2017 at 18:39, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > today, I had to go to a meeting 25 miles away ... I used another > gallon and a half of gas ... Youi got 16.7mpg with a Volt in ICEV mode? That isn't a typo? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

Nope, the Volt with its 50 mile EV range and 350 mile overall range is ideal for me. My daily use is about 32 miles so I drive exclusively on electricity from my home solar. Yet we can go to gramma's at the drop of a hat which is 150 miles away too. All for only the $12k like-new purchase price

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

Your use is hoped for, but not typical, though. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Bill Woodcock via EV wrote: > > > >> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Cor van de Water via EV >> wrote: >> >> Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never*

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

I would have thought that people would have used it like you do, but sadly, the data shows otherwise. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs. > > I own

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

to the meeting. > > Bob > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:26 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Lee Hart > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford's Ener

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never* running on anything but > regular gas, > while giving tax breaks to corporations for the remote possibility that > such a > vehicle *could*, potentially, be run

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:26 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lee Hart Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized) Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > I don't get why peop

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:26 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lee Hart Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized) Mark Abramow

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs. I own a PIH (a 2014 Prius with the plug-in). They aren't sold in the midwest; I had to go all the way to Massachusetts to buy it. It was worth it because we live in a small town in the middle of Minnesota. The

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

On 11/14/2017 01:00 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs. California data shows a big problem with folks not even bothering to charge them. Maybe out of date, but I recall reading that a bunch of employees were given compay Volts. The Volts

Re: [EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs. California data shows a big problem with folks not even bothering to charge them. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > % I would label this newsitem as EV-ignorant. I think it

[EVDL] Ford's Energi pih abandonment raises questions> (AK writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)

% I would label this newsitem as EV-ignorant. I think it could have been worse, with more errors, incorrect assumptions, and misleading factoids, if the writer had made the effort. After you read it, note the writer's information sources: a local AK Ford dealership (who are notorious for not