Yes, but emissions are lower.
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> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Tom Keenan via EV wrote:
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> Way OT here, but months ago we drove a rental truck across country. It was
> an E85 flex-fuel rig. We stopped someplace in Corn Country and filled up on
> ‘cheap fuel’ (E85) instead
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>> Round trip was 50 so 33 MPG or so...
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Way OT here, but months ago we drove a rental truck across country. It was an
E85 flex-fuel rig. We stopped someplace in Corn Country and filled up on
‘cheap fuel’ (E85) instead of regular E10 because it happened to be available.
Instead of getting 10-11 mpg as averaged for the first part of t
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Cor van de Water via EV
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> Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never* running on anything but
> regular gas,
What?? That's bonkers. At least where I live, E85 is way cheaper ( see
https://goo.gl/maps/FCHNRzSm7TF2 ) - $2.45 per gallon versus $3.01 per
ga
A Tesla would do that. So could any of the FCEVs. Whether the latter were
feasible would depend on where you live.
I also wonder if incentives for PIHs are impacting the offerings of automakers.
If there were no PIH incentives, would we have longer range pure EVs? I don't
know the answer.
Se
*Today* you are absolutely correct. We'll see where we are "tomorrow."
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On Nov 15, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>> A Tesla would do that.
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> Not for the $12k I paid for my 2013 volt.
>
>> So could any of the FCEVs. Whether the latter were feasible would
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On 14 Nov 2017 at 18:39, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> today, I had to go to a meeting 25 miles away ... I used another
> gallon and a half of gas ...
Youi got 16.7mpg with a Volt in ICEV mode? That isn't a ty
> A Tesla would do that.
Not for the $12k I paid for my 2013 volt.
> So could any of the FCEVs. Whether the latter were feasible would depend
on where you live.
Not for the $12k I paid for my 2013 Volt.
And the FCEV would be a royal pain in the tusch because It has to be
refuled somewhere proba
On 14 Nov 2017 at 18:39, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> today, I had to go to a meeting 25 miles away ... I used another
> gallon and a half of gas ...
Youi got 16.7mpg with a Volt in ICEV mode? That isn't a typo?
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Nope, the Volt with its 50 mile EV range and 350 mile overall range is
ideal for me. My daily use is about 32 miles so I drive exclusively on
electricity from my home solar. Yet we can go to gramma's at the drop of
a hat which is 150 miles away too. All for only the $12k like-new
purchase price
Your use is hoped for, but not typical, though.
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> On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Bill Woodcock via EV wrote:
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>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Cor van de Water via EV
>> wrote:
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>> Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never* running on anything but
>> regular gas,
I would have thought that people would have used it like you do, but sadly, the
data shows otherwise.
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> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
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> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
>
> I own a PIH (a 2014 Prius
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> Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never* running on anything but
> regular gas,
> while giving tax breaks to corporations for the remote possibility that
> such a
> vehicle *could*, potentially, be run on Ethanol or simila
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Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
I own a PIH (a 2014 Prius with the plug-in). They aren't sold in the
midwest; I had to go all the way to Massachusetts to buy it.
It was worth it because we live in a small town in the middle of
Minnesota. The r
On 11/14/2017 01:00 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
California data shows a big problem with folks not even bothering to charge
them.
Maybe out of date, but I recall reading that a bunch of employees were
given compay Volts. The Volts di
I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
California data shows a big problem with folks not even bothering to charge
them.
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> On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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> % I would label this newsitem as EV-ignorant. I think it could have been
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