RE: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-30 Thread Roijen, Bas
rp: Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac! Am 28.11.2009 um 20:38 schrieb Mark A Corum: > +1 on a legitimate slogan like "Secure by Design" or something else > that reflects the fact. Although I'd like such a claim, please keep in mind that we need it translated. English clai

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-29 Thread Matt Hamilton
On 29 Nov 2009, at 09:31, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: Am 28.11.2009 um 20:38 schrieb Mark A Corum: +1 on a legitimate slogan like "Secure by Design" or something else that reflects the fact. Although I'd like such a claim, please keep in mind that we need it translated. English claims are

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-29 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Am 28.11.2009 um 20:38 schrieb Mark A Corum: > +1 on a legitimate slogan like "Secure by Design" or something else > that reflects the fact. Although I'd like such a claim, please keep in mind that we need it translated. English claims are often misunderstood in Germany as recent studies showed

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-28 Thread Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
s the watchmen?) - Juvenales, Satires "No matter where you go ... there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote: Forgot to reply all... Begin forwarded message: From: Matt Hamilton Date: 28 November 2009 02:55:36 PM GMT To: ctxlken Su

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-28 Thread Mark A Corum
es "No matter where you go ... there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote: > > Forgot to reply all... > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Matt Hamilton > Date: 28 November 2009 02:55:36 PM GMT > To: ctxlken &g

Fwd: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-28 Thread Matt Hamilton
Forgot to reply all... Begin forwarded message: From: Matt Hamilton Date: 28 November 2009 02:55:36 PM GMT To: ctxlken Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac! Mark A Corum wrote: If Plone had previously been weak on security, and had gotten its act together, this

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-27 Thread ctxlken
I think it's a weak assumption that these two sites would have a 'live' Plone site. Although, it is possible, I would think that due to some of the security and performance benefits, and since we see '.htm' or '.html' URIs and no evidence in the response headers of Zope, that it's likely the

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-27 Thread Karl Horak
Just tossing my 2 cents worth in here -- if there were any Plone sites in the world that hackers were already targeting, it would be FBI and CIA. I'm sure we would have heard of any failure there. Meanwhile, I think the Foundation should sponsor a system of clandestine honeypots out there and

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-27 Thread Norman Fournier
On 2009-11-26, at 7:24 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: > Am 26.11.2009 um 16:09 schrieb Norman Fournier: > >> think there may be more positive ways for plone to get this message across > > For example? > > I think we must have clear rules. The first hacker who puts his name on the > frontpage wi

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Steve McMahon
Not sure how I feel about the overall idea, but the exploit documentation condition *must* be expanded to specify that the exploit be documented to the Plone security team, and only the security team. Publicizing of methodology for an attack must be only after a patch is made available, and the awa

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Dylan Jay
On 27/11/2009, at 9:00 AM, Mark A Corum wrote: Actually, it would show we are arrogant and cavalier about security - which are about the worst things you can be in the eyes of an enterprise customer. People who are serious about security TEST the security of their software in a professional, s

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Mark A Corum
Actually, it would show we are arrogant and cavalier about security - which are about the worst things you can be in the eyes of an enterprise customer. People who are serious about security TEST the security of their software in a professional, systematic way. They get experts in the field and f

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Dylan Jay
Worst case is really bad publicity. But then is it? If it got hacked we'd patch it immediatly and patch most systems out there and we'd explain how that system works in advance. Basically use it to explain how open source increases security and speed of patches. It would also show that we ta

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Matt Hamilton
On 26 Nov 2009, at 15:09, Norman Fournier wrote: Hello, Worst case scenario. What if we are wrong? Some smart punk hacks the plone and posts the hack or hints somewhere. How many Macs can we afford to give away? How long can we afford to pay lawyers to fight spurious claims in court? A

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Am 26.11.2009 um 16:09 schrieb Norman Fournier: > think there may be more positive ways for plone to get this message across For example? I think we must have clear rules. The first hacker who puts his name on the frontpage wins, if he documents how he'd done it. If we have more macs the fir

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-26 Thread Norman Fournier
Hello, Worst case scenario. What if we are wrong? Some smart punk hacks the plone and posts the hack or hints somewhere. How many Macs can we afford to give away? How long can we afford to pay lawyers to fight spurious claims in court? A risk analysis should be air-tight before any contest is

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-25 Thread Nate Aune
I think it's a great idea. Set up a server (perhaps using the Hardening Plone howto below) and let the games begin! http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/securing-plone/ Nate On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: > Hi all, > > what do you think about a hacking contest? We s

Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-18 Thread Dylan Jay
On 19/11/2009, at 4:52 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: Hi all, what do you think about a hacking contest? We setup a plain plone site and who ever hacks it first wins a mac or a playstation or whatever. All exploits must be documented of course so that we can fix them. We promote Plo

[Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

2009-11-18 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Hi all, what do you think about a hacking contest? We setup a plain plone site and who ever hacks it first wins a mac or a playstation or whatever. All exploits must be documented of course so that we can fix them. We promote Plone as a secure system and can document it with the CVE entries b