Re: TIME warp

2011-05-18 Thread ronaldheld
Are you talking about a Star Trek term or for certain space-times, the ability to go forwards or backwards in time relative to a distant observer? Ronald On May 16, 3:31 pm, selva selvakr1...@gmail.com wrote: hi everyone, can someone explain me what a time warp is ? or why there is a time

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The other theory that Stathis is explicating takes OM's to be atomic and discrete. In that case they would have to be strung together by some internal reference, one to another.  I don't think that's a viable theory since

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 May 2011, at 02:46, meekerdb wrote: On 5/17/2011 5:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2011, at 19:40, meekerdb wrote: On 5/16/2011 7:13 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: [SPK] I was trying to be sure that I took that involves the possibility that the OMs are computationally

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 7:51 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: The other theory that Stathis is explicating takes OM's to be atomic and discrete. In that case they would have to be strung together by some internal reference, one to

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind the consciousness of the blanche machine, the consciousness of the virgin Löbian machine. Memories only differentiate consciousness. Are you claiming that every thought includes a

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, I am interested in more of your thinking on several ideas that you mention in this post. 1) The 8 hypostases as N-OM; N = 1 - 8 2) Is this physical instantiation of a 3-OM is an infinite mathematical object phrasing equivalent to saying that the physical instantiation of a

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 May 2011, at 17:38, meekerdb wrote: On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind the consciousness of the blanche machine, the consciousness of the virgin Löbian machine. Memories only differentiate consciousness.

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Interesting! If we follow this idea, that memory is not necessary for consciousness, then consciousness does not require a persistent structure to supervene upon. No? Onward! Stephen From: meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:38 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 9:21 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, Interesting! If we follow this idea, that memory is not necessary for consciousness, then consciousness does not require a persistent structure to supervene upon. No? Onward! Stephen I don't see how that follows. Require in what

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Rex Allen
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/16/2011 7:13 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: [SPK]   I was trying to be sure that I took that involves the possibility that the OMs are computationally disjoint into account. This covers your example, I think...   I am

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Rex Allen
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind the consciousness of the blanche machine, the consciousness of the virgin Löbian machine. Memories only

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, True, but we are trying to get out of anthropocentric constrains ( I hope!). The question is aimed at trying to drill down further into the concept of consciousness and to see if Russell’s ideas are correct (as discussed in his book) and those of Bruno by exploring their

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, How beautifully said! This is a rediscovery of ideas that we find in many mythological systems. We are God that forgot what we truly are. Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex, I agree with you 100%! I am amazed that this idea is considered as a horrid heresy by most physicists that continue to think of “space-time” as some kind of “container” that we exist in much like insects trapped in amber. Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: Rex

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex, A very good point! There must be a place for false memories in our modal logics. Could these be included in the Bp p where the p is not necessarily true in all worlds? Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: Rex Allen Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:30 PM To:

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 10:44 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Rex, I agree with you 100%! I am amazed that this idea is considered as a horrid heresy by most physicists You seem to have an uninformed opinion of physicists. The physicists I know don't consider anything heresy because they consider

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 10:39 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, How beautifully said! This is a rediscovery of ideas that we find in many mythological systems. We are God that forgot what we truly are. Onward! Stephen Careful. Don't go all Deepak Chopra on us. :-) Brent *From:* Bruno

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 10:30 AM, Rex Allen wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind the consciousness of the blanche machine, the consciousness of the

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, I am happy to be wrong inn that opinion! But nevertheless finding a physicists what will admit publicly what you mention is difficult. Onward! Stephen From: meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:00 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Oh you bet! Chopra and those like him have not done us any favors, but can we truly begrudge people from making a buck of a book that is a soft version of the ideas we are considering? Not all people are on the far right hand side of the bell curve. Onward! Stephen From:

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 11:26 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, I am happy to be wrong inn that opinion! But nevertheless finding a physicists what will admit publicly what you mention is difficult. Onward! Stephen My friend Vic Stenger (a physicist) not only admits it publicly he has

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2011 11:29 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, Oh you bet! Chopra and those like him have not done us any favors, but can we truly begrudge people from making a buck of a book that is a soft version of the ideas we are considering? I can certainly begrudge a charlatan who

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Absolutely, but do we need to spend time chasing off the charlatans? I leave it to people like Sam Harris and James Randi to do that. OTOH, we must be careful that we are not imposing an authoritarian regime upon the world such that only “authorized” persons can put form ideas