One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16 Subject: Re: Against

Why Peirce ? Peirce deals with change.

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
Why Peirce ? Peirce's philosophy is a philosophy of science, a fact that should meet with agreement here. As such, his philosophy to some extent includes change. So far, we have been referring to the necessary (Platonia) and the contingent (actuality). The necessary is timeless and always

comp : theory vs actuality II

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
I accidentally sent the email below out too early. I see what you mean about the need for plum orchards etc in the brain. I was simply assuming that comp could do whatever is needed and didn't think through what I had said. Obviously an over-assumption. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]

Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Isn't your god an observer? Richard On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2012, at 19:33, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Nov 2012, at 21:28, meekerdb wrote: On 11/30/2012 10:02 AM, Roger Clough wrote: And a transcendent truth could be arithmetic truth or the truth of necessary logic. True in logic and formal

Re: Climate change

2012-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2012, at 19:56, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/2/2012 1:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P.

Re: Climate change

2012-12-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/3/2012 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: So our existence at the current level is bad' and we are to revert back to some primitive non-tech version and be happy. OK. Proceed there without me. I am not interested in telling you how to live your life, just respect my basic human rights:

Re: Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb 1p is not a fiction. Your 1p is what is reading this page. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-02,

Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz. The supreme monad sees all clearly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver:

Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
RC, So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times. RR On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz. The supreme monad sees all clearly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2012, at 21:23, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 10:43 AM, John Clark wrote: Now it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of each electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron. You don't need to destroy the electrons you just

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-03 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Did you mean I saw W or M, which is indeed confirmed by the two copies? Or I saw W or I saw M, which again is confirmed by the two copies? I meant that a observer who did not want to play games and honestly wanted to convey the

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Dec 2012, at 00:04, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 7:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The 1p truth of the machine is not coded in the machine. Some actual machines knows already that, and can justified that If there are machine (and from outside we can know this to correct) then the

Re: Larger picture (was Climate change)

2012-12-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/3/2012 9:11 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Stephen, Your point in context of climate change with another reefer madness study permeated by various formulations of may is what? Me too, I see all these folks from the sixties and seventies, that have kept their smoking habits go

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-03 Thread meekerdb
On 12/3/2012 4:42 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb 1p is not a fiction. Your 1p is what is reading this page. Where did I refer to 1p? Where did I call anything a 'fiction' Are you replying to the voices in your head? Don't put words in my mouth. Brent [Roger Clough],

Re: Climate change

2012-12-03 Thread meekerdb
On 12/3/2012 4:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You might be right, I am not sure. Then, the fear sellers did not need the climate change for imposing tyranny: food and drug works already very well. (Cf Obama and the NDAA). And they might be related, as Henry Ford said already in before 1930, --why

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-03 Thread meekerdb
On 12/3/2012 8:46 AM, John Clark wrote: If the information is not recorded, e.g. the photon is absorbed or is just let travel off to infinity the interference is lost. That is incorrect, you've got it backward. If the information on what slit the electron went through is not

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-03 Thread meekerdb
On 12/3/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Dec 2012, at 00:04, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 7:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The 1p truth of the machine is not coded in the machine. Some actual machines knows already that, and can justified that If there are machine (and from outside we

Re: Larger picture (was Climate change)

2012-12-03 Thread meekerdb
On 12/3/2012 11:00 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Maybe you can help me figure out which scientific study is cause for concern and which is not. They are all loaded up with maybe and might, etc. That is the nature of science, In the case of climate change there is a big uncertainty which is

a paper on Leibnizian mathematical ideas

2012-12-03 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Roger and Friends, You might find this paper of some interest: http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.7188 Leibniz's Laws of Continuity and Homogeneity Mikhail G. Katz, David Sherry (Submitted on 30 Nov 2012) We explore Leibniz's understanding of the differential calculus, and argue that his

Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/3/2012 8:54 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: RC, So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times. RR Dear Richard, How would one prove that all observations that that 1p has are mutually consistent? Unless you assume that the speed of light is infinite, and thus there exists a unique

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-03 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/3/2012 8:46 AM, John Clark wrote: If the information is not recorded, e.g. the photon is absorbed or is just let travel off to infinity the interference is lost. That is incorrect, you've got it backward. If the