RE: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread chris peck
Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism, because you have them as diametrically opposed. If reason alone is the source of knowledge, then experience isn't and can't be combined to be. Besides, Materialism is an ontological

Redemption

2013-06-15 Thread Roger Clough
REDEMPTION i) No redemption. Below in the Kingdom of Earth, her firstborn son is gone. her redemption is lost. Cain ? She cries out. ?nd where is Abel ? And the man I possessed ? In the night, Cain stumbles eastward toward Eden, Blood on his hands. A bolt of lightning splits

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread spudboy100
I wonder if a more precise way of stating this is to say, that like Platonism, there must be an underlying programming to the cosmos. That would cover the Idealism central feature. -Original Message- From: chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com To: everything-list

Why aren't we blinded by thoughts ? Olber's Paradox and the limited outreach of neurons

2013-06-15 Thread Roger Clough
Why aren't we blinded by a myriad of thoughts ? Olber's Paradox and the limited outreach of neurons by Roger Clough Adapting to Leibniz's philosophy of mind, each of the neurons in the brain is a monad and all of tbhe monads in the universe are perceived (Leibniz uses the word reflected,

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread smitra
Not assumed to be caused, but known to be caused. The science is clear, it's only that the vast majority of the population is science illiterate to the point that many people with university degrees in economics, engineering etc. don't know much about physics and are susceptible to the same

Re: Why aren't we blinded by thoughts ? Olber's Paradox and the limited outreach of neurons

2013-06-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Why aren't we blinded by a myriad of thoughts ? For the same reason computers can selectively access their memories, run some algorithms and not others and so on. This is understood in basic computer science by any of the

Re: Why aren't we blinded by thoughts ? Olber's Paradox and the limited outreach of neurons

2013-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jun 2013, at 16:55, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Why aren't we blinded by a myriad of thoughts ? For the same reason computers can selectively access their memories, run some algorithms and not others and so on. This is

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jun 2013, at 16:33, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if a more precise way of stating this is to say, that like Platonism, there must be an underlying programming to the cosmos. That would cover the Idealism central feature. Arithmetical realism entails the the experienceable

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jun 2013, at 16:43, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Not assumed to be caused, but known to be caused. Hmm I agree with the spirit of your post. But we never known for sure, it is still a belief even with serious evidences pointing on some truth there. In science we know nothing as

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread meekerdb
On 6/15/2013 12:40 AM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism, because you have them as diametrically opposed. If reason alone is the source of knowledge, then experience isn't and can't be combined to

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread spudboy100
It's amazing how much damage the Anthropogenic CO2 can do to the Solar Photosphere. ;-) -Original Message- From: smitra smi...@zonnet.nl To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 10:43 am Subject: Re: On Global WarmingThe sun is getting a little

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread spudboy100
It would be nice if it somehow was programable (I think) since we could make things better, as well as destroy everything. But what is new about that? Do you thus, give this person any creedence then, or not really?

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread meekerdb
On 6/15/2013 3:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Coincidentally I came across this wikipage of Freeman Dyson quotes today: * My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/15/2013 3:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Coincidentally I came across this wikipage of Freeman Dyson quotes today: - My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread meekerdb
On 6/15/2013 5:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: The point of this calculation is the very favorable rate of exchange between carbon in the atmosphere and carbon in the soil. To stop the carbon in the atmosphere from increasing, we only need to grow the biomass in the soil by a hundredth of an inch per

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 08:44:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 6/15/2013 5:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: The point of this calculation is the very favorable rate of exchange between carbon in the atmosphere and carbon in the soil. To stop the carbon in the atmosphere from increasing, we only need

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-15 Thread meekerdb
On 6/15/2013 10:16 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 08:44:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 6/15/2013 5:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: The point of this calculation is the very favorable rate of exchange between carbon in the atmosphere and carbon in the soil. To stop the carbon in

The missing perceiver in materialism and artificial intelligence and how to implement it

2013-06-15 Thread Roger Clough
The missing perceiver in materialism and artificial intelligence and how to implement it Unless you have a perceive (a subject) with a point of view, a broadband living mind, you have nothing. The perceiver has the ability to see the world from his own pinpoint or narrow-band point of view