Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 25 mars 2015 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : On 3/24/2015 11:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 05:08, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:25:04AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 00:11, meekerdb

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread meekerdb
On 3/24/2015 11:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 05:08, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:25:04AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 00:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 25 mars 2015 03:49, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Then the john-before-he-measures-the-photon-spin can't measure the photon spin, Photons have polarization not spin, electrons spin but obviously

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 25 mars 2015 05:08, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:25:04AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 00:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : When rerunning the program with the recorded initial input, by hypothesis the second run

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 25 mars 2015 07:27, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 25 mars 2015 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : On 3/24/2015 11:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 05:08, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au a écrit : On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:15 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: it will be more than human. I'm not sure what that means. It means that a future machine can perform any task in a way that is superior to way that

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-03-25 16:35 GMT+01:00 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, March 25, 2015, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-25 12:25 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2015-03-25 12:09 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au: Quentin

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-25 12:25 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','allco...@gmail.com');: 2015-03-25 12:09 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Mar 2015, at 12:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Multiple realisation does not undermine physical supervenience... what undermine it, is that you're forced to accept (with the movie graph argument) that the consciousness is supervening on the movie + broken gate... which is absurd, and

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Mar 2015, at 06:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 02:17:40PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: If you take the block universe model seriously then we are nothing more than conscious recordings! Fair point! I don't know what MGA stands for, or what it

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Generally when Watson was wrong he knew he was probably wrong. I find that significant. I find that significant too, but this probability is

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Mar 2015, at 06:47, meekerdb wrote: On 3/23/2015 10:31 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 3/23/2015 10:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 02:17:40PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: If you take the block universe model seriously then we

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Generally when Watson was wrong he knew he was probably wrong. I find that significant. I find that significant too, but this probability is ultimately computed by analysing frequencies of occurrence of terms and

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Mar 2015, at 06:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 3/23/2015 10:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 02:17:40PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: If you take the block universe model seriously then we are nothing more than conscious

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No, when you measure the spin of an electron, you don't have memories of seeing spin up and spin down, That is true you don't have such memories, but the electron does. Because of this if you DON'T measure the spin of the

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
On 26 March 2015 at 07:00, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Yes, I also suspect that no deity exists but it will, in the future. If you are curious about how this is already transforming into a religion, google for Roko's basilisk. Also the plot of Frank Herbert's Destination

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread meekerdb
On 3/25/2015 1:15 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: John is inconsistent... he asserts that theory for duplication machines, and so say that he can never say anything about his future expectations because

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
On 26 March 2015 at 09:15, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: John is inconsistent... he asserts that theory for duplication machines, and so say that he can never say anything about his future expectations because he is no

Re: Turing Test

2015-03-25 Thread meekerdb
On 3/25/2015 2:05 PM, John Clark wrote: PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: What is our disagreement here exactly? You just seem to dislike my lack of reverence for Watson. I have no problem when people point out that Watson can't perform task

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread meekerdb
On 3/25/2015 9:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-03-25 16:35 GMT+01:00 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com mailto:stath...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, March 25, 2015, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-25 12:25 GMT+01:00 Quentin

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
On 26 March 2015 at 09:15, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-25 21:08 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 3/25/2015 9:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: No, there are as many (same) conscious moments as there are instances running in realtime on the physical substrate

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-03-25 21:08 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 3/25/2015 9:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-03-25 16:35 GMT+01:00 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, March 25, 2015, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-25 12:25 GMT+01:00 Quentin

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: John is inconsistent... he asserts that theory for duplication machines, and so say that he can never say anything about his future expectations because he is no more... but somehow he can when he talks about MWI... go figure.

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-03-25 21:15 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: John is inconsistent... he asserts that theory for duplication machines, and so say that he can never say anything about his future expectations because he is no

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: John is inconsistent... he asserts that theory for duplication machines, and so say that he can never say anything about his future expectations because he

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: What is our disagreement here exactly? You just seem to dislike my lack of reverence for Watson. I have no problem when people point out that Watson can't perform task X, but it makes me nuts when they say Watson accomplished task X much better

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
This could be just thye benevolent dictator we need to sort out the planet we're ruining. I for one welcome our silicon based overlords... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Turing Test

2015-03-25 Thread meekerdb
On 3/25/2015 2:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Human-level intelligence seems to depend on much more complex interconnections between algorithms. I suspect that this level of complexity cannot be designed by humans directly, so I agree with you that we will probably need algorithms that evolve more

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: MWI postulates that all outcomes of an experiment occur, whether they involve interference effects or not. According to Quantum Mechanics depending on circumstances sometimes you get interference and sometimes you don't, and we're

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread meekerdb
On 3/25/2015 3:38 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: MWI postulates that all outcomes of an experiment occur, whether they involve interference effects or not. According to Quantum Mechanics depending on

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-03-25 11:53 GMT+01:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: That's the capsule theory of identity in a capsule, as it were. The MWI and comp both lead to it - each observer moment is only connected to the others by the contents of your memory. Otherwise you're like Memento man. Yes, but the previous

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
That's the capsule theory of identity in a capsule, as it were. The MWI and comp both lead to it - each observer moment is only connected to the others by the contents of your memory. Otherwise you're like Memento man. On 25 March 2015 at 19:23, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Le 25

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Bruce Kellett
Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 07:27, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 25 mars 2015 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : On 3/24/2015 11:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 05:08,

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-03-25 12:09 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au: Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 07:27, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto: allco...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 25 mars 2015 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto: meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : On

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-03-25 12:25 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2015-03-25 12:09 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au: Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 25 mars 2015 07:27, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto: allco...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 25 mars 2015 07:23, meekerdb

Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
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