Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2014, at 23:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:26:46 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: At

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:58:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Mar 2014, at 23:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March

RE: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stathis Papaioannou Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:02 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Quick video about materialism On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg whatsons

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02:08 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02:08 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:02:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02:08 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 15 Mar 2014, at 8:25 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: So one could play you some Ferneyhough, say Shadowtime, and you'd be able to score it on first listen? I know nobody that has an

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote:

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Maybe one day you will have the class to acknowledge that Bruno and comp have helped you articulate or conceive of certain things in

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: If there is nothing other than sensing, then why use all the pronouns and nouns you do? There are no objects... so why would we need nouns

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2014, at 16:38, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2014, at 17:00, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08:00 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: If there is nothing other than sensing,

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08:00 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:26:46 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08:00 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:26:46 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: At this point my impression is: with a bucket so personalized and leaky, I can see how everything just goes in MSR, as long as Craig says

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:26:46 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: At this point my impression is: with a

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:02:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02:08 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 14 March 2014

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:21:18 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:02:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday,

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 17 March 2014 10:43, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:21:18 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:02:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Monday, March 17,

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 22:25, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Kim Jones
On 15 Mar 2014, at 8:25 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: So one could play you some Ferneyhough, say Shadowtime, and you'd be able to score it on first listen? I know nobody that has an ear that good, but then every person makes me wrong every day anyway :-)

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:23:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: I'm not sure I'm convinced by the video. Why can't the brain think it's about something ? Because it doesn't need to. A coffee filter has an effect of coffee, but that doesn't mean that the filter intends to 'make coffee' or is

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that information,

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:08:15 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:15:01 PM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:08:15 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its conception, is still derived from

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread Kim Jones
On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my discalculia. No one else has ever managed to do that in all my 57 years.

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its conception, is still derived from

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread LizR
it would appear the answer is yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 1:59:57 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: it would appear the answer is yes. sounds like a question from the old Oxbridge extrance tests (that I only read about never took or saw Oxbridge) e.g. Is this a serious question? apparently one of the answers was If this is a

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:11:56 AM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my discalculia. No one else

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. Craig, you

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread LizR
I'm not sure I'm convinced by the video. Why can't the brain think it's about something ? (Also the Chinese Room has an amazingly small manual, if I was Chinese I think I'd be a bit offended...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group.

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 05:22:20PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my discalculia. No one else has ever managed to do that in all my 57 years. Music was always instantaneously understandable to

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-14 Thread LizR
On 15 March 2014 13:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: For me mathematics works best when I can visualise it. This is probably true of most things if you're a visually oriented person. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything

Quick video about materialism

2014-03-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its conception, is still derived from the principles of object interaction. Even when forms and functions