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11/2/2012
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From: Evgenii Rudnyi
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Time: 2012-11-01, 06:09:50
Subject: Re: Self-ascription and "Perfect Model Model&quo
On 01 Nov 2012, at 19:13, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 01.11.2012 18:30 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 01 Nov 2012, at 11:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
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“Absolute Spirit is the fundamental reality. But in order to create
the world, the Absolute manifests itself, or goes out of itself in
ough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/2/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: Evgenii Rudnyi
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-11-01, 06:09:50
Subject: Re: Self-ascription and "Perfect Model Mode
On 01.11.2012 18:30 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 01 Nov 2012, at 11:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
“Absolute Spirit is the fundamental reality. But in order to create
the world, the Absolute manifests itself, or goes out of itself in
a sense, the Absolute forgets itself and empties
On 01 Nov 2012, at 11:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 30.10.2012 16:25 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 30 Oct 2012, at 12:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
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You talk for example about integers as a framework for everything.
Fine. Yet, I would like to understand how mankind through it
devel
On 01.11.2012 18:00 meekerdb said the following:
On 11/1/2012 5:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
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In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model
for a typical model. A map is in the o
On 11/1/2012 5:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model for a
typical model. A map is in the objective world, as well as a
scientific model, but
On 30.10.2012 16:25 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 30 Oct 2012, at 12:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
You talk for example about integers as a framework for everything.
Fine. Yet, I would like to understand how mankind through it
development has invented integers. How comp would help
On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model for a
typical model. A map is in the objective world, as well as a
scientific model, but to use the map one has to find out where on
On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 29.10.2012 20:44 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/29/2012 11:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Para
On 30 Oct 2012, at 12:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 30.10.2012 11:26 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate t
On 30.10.2012 11:26 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter
of logic, mathematic
On 29.10.2012 20:44 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/29/2012 11:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes
of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p
On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter
of logic, mathematical modeling must inevitably be a distortion of
wha
Right. And even less than complete models can run afoul of Godel, e.g. if I created a
model of myself. It might be an accurate model, but I couldn't know that it was. On the
other hand, John Mikes could know that it was.
Brent
On 10/29/2012 12:53 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent, I think if a '
Brent, I think if a 'model' is *complete*, it is not a model, it is the
real thing.
Consequently it (as the real thing) is not provable from within - Godel, or
not. (dON'T ASK ME ABOUT "real", please )
JM
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi w
On 10/29/2012 11:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in princ
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From: Evgenii Rudnyi
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-10-29, 13:21:39
Subject: Self-ascription and "Perfect Model Model"
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in
On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following:
On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter
of logic, mathematical modeli
On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C
Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic,
mathematical modeling must inevitably be a distortion of what is mod
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of
Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen.
p. 45 "Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of
logic, mathematical modeling must inevitably be a distortion of what is
modeled, although models actually constructed can
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