Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-18 Thread Tom Caylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 17-avr.-06, à 19:53, Tom Caylor a écrit : Along those line, I notice that Chaitin (referencing du Sautoy) says that if it could be proved that the Riemann Hypothesis is undecidable then it is true, since if it were false then it would be decidable by finding a

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-18 Thread Tom Caylor
Tom Caylor wrote: I am not aware that there have been any subsets of the critical strip 0 Re(s) 1 that have been found to be zero-free, yet. I meant non-trivial subsets, e.g. a vertical line/strip inside the critical strip. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 16-avr.-06, à 06:08, danny mayes a écrit : Could you expound on this a little more? Both the MWI through a wavy approach to numbers, and the point about primes are possibly new concepts to me. Or maybe you're talking about things I am familiar with in an unfamiliar way. I'm not

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-17 Thread Tom Caylor
A couple of quick thoughts out loud. My previous thought on the possible connection between the OR/AND dual (along with addition/multiplication) and the Riemann Hypothesis might be extended by looking at the Riemann zeta function. Notice that the infinite series form of the zeta function's uses

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 13-avr.-06, à 22:34, Tom Caylor a écrit : Bruno, I have a couple of random thoughts, but I hope they are not too incoherent (decoherent?) for someone to understand and see if it leads anywhere. First, it seems that the comp distinction between 1st and 3rd person point-of-view can

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-15 Thread danny mayes
Bruno Marchal wrote: And then, well, yes, it could. And from Zeta's behavior, a whole many world interpretation of number theory, through a wavy approach to numbers (like Ramanujan's one) would be possible. Primes could even plausibly justified some single universe selection (if they are

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-13 Thread George Levy
I think there is a need for one more person. This is how I would define first person pov and third person pov: Third person is a single history pov that requires the observation of an event whose existence does not correlate with the existence of the observer. This is the classical,

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 11-avr.-06, à 00:19, John M a écrit : Comp? I always considered it the - so far - best ways the human mind could invent for reductionist thinking. I am too busy this week to comment this delicate point. I will explain later some basic think in computer science which are needed, not only

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-avr.-06, à 22:52, John M a écrit : I went to see your points 1-8, as suggested. I started to read AT THE BEGINNING and got stupefait (perplexed?) by your sentences. Which one? (If you are interested in an explanation). First: I don't appreciate thought experiments: All proof

Re: Intensionality (was: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE)

2006-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-avr.-06, à 23:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom) wrote : Another categorization of this dichotomy could be the Plato universals corresponding to Intensional definitions and the possible, vs. the Aristotle particulars corresponding to the Extensional definitions and the actual. The

Re: Intensionality (was: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE)

2006-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-avr.-06, à 22:35, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : Hi, Le Mercredi 5 Avril 2006 22:07, John M a écrit : Stephen: right on! (onwards, of course). I did not mention the arts. Express art by numbers and you killed the art. It is not a question to describe art by numbers... I'd say it is

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 04-avr.-06, à 21:24, John M wrote: Bruno, you failed to give me an answer. I must be more simpleminded than you 'math-minded people' who see some relation between a 'big' number and the Gone with the Wind. I don't. No matter how big and how long (you said: eternity and infinitely big?

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-07 Thread John M
I went to see your points 1-8, as suggested. I started to read AT THE BEGINNING and got stupefait (perplexed?) by your sentences. First: I don't appreciate thought experiments: they are artifacts to show something NOT TRUE and make 'the truth' shown by it (eg. EPR). People love them because it

Re: Intensionality (was: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE)

2006-04-05 Thread John M
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Quentin: I don't know from your wink at the end whether you are half-serious or not. But just in case (and Bruno can do better than I can on this), I think I can correctly

Re: Intensionality (was: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE)

2006-04-05 Thread daddycaylor
Another categorization of this dichotomy could be the Plato universals corresponding to Intensional definitions and the possible, vs. the Aristotle particulars corresponding to the Extensional definitions and the actual. The Intensional can also be associated with mathematical descriptions

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:02:14 +0200 Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Le Lundi 3 Avril 2006 18:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : GWTW = 01001010110 ... binary(Frankly, my dear,...) ... 01001101001. Depending on the chosen encoding scheme, the binary representation could be any finite

Re: Intensionality (was: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE)

2006-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 04-avr.-06, à 04:35, Stephen Paul King a écrit : x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerHow do numbers *distinguish* (if I am permitted to use that word) between */x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerpossibility/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger* and */x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggeractuality/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger*? Is

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
John , Bruno: Aren't you fall back in your 2nd par at the end into an 'idem per idem' explanation? I asked (from Georges) a way to GET AWAY from the number-essence or ID when we assign (con)ceptual meanings to ideas/things you people call NUMBERS ONLY. You return to a number-based

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-04 Thread John M
Bruno, you failed to give me an answer. I must be more simpleminded than you 'math-minded people' who see some relation between a 'big' number and the Gone with the Wind. I don't. No matter how big and how long (you said: eternity and infinitely big? I don't buy such conditions. These say to me:

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-03 Thread daddycaylor
, and what topology if any we should choose for Everything (why the complex plane?). Tom -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:47:29 +0200 Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Let us just take

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-03 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le Lundi 3 Avril 2006 18:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : GWTW = 01001010110 ... binary(Frankly, my dear,...) ... 01001101001. Depending on the chosen encoding scheme, the binary representation could be any finite binary string, even this '0' or '1', in this case all the information is in fact

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-03 Thread daddycaylor
- From: Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:02:14 +0200 Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Le Lundi 3 Avril 2006 18:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : GWTW = 01001010110 ... binary(Frankly, my dear,...) ... 01001101001

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-03 Thread Russell Standish
Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Let us just take the numbers, I mean the finite numbers 0, 1, 2, ... But let us take them all. Then it can be shown that numbers without an encoding of Gone with the wind are quite exceptional. Almost all natural numbers, written in any base

Re: Intensionality (was: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE)

2006-04-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
rd! Stephen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Quentin:I don't know from your wink at the end whether you are half-serious or not.But

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-04-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
: John M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:59:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Tom, may I humblly ask for an example, HOW you would imagine the 'sequence' in pi's infinite variety of numbers the connotation for Gone

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 30-mars-06, à 15:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : *Marc dances a jig with delight and claps Bruno on the back* A deliciously interesting post Bruno my dear fellow, a deliciously interesting post! I'd be very interested to see anything else you have on the Riemann Hypothesis and it's

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 31-mars-06, à 08:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerInteresting!  This reminds me of the old standby example of being able to find any sequence of digits in the digits of pi, and therefore being able to find whole digital recordings of Gone With The Wind or

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-31 Thread John M
Tom, may I humblly ask for an example, HOW you would imagine the 'sequence' in pi's infinite variety of numbers the connotation for Gone With The Wind - the movie? Just 'per apices', show the kind of sequence included, I don't want all the details. Thank you John M --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-31 Thread daddycaylor
: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE Tom, may I humblly ask for an example, HOW you would imagine the 'sequence' in pi's infinite variety of numbers the connotation for Gone With The Wind - the movie? Just 'per apices', show the kind of sequence included, I don't want all the details. Thank you John M

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-30 Thread marc . geddes
*Marc dances a jig with delight and claps Bruno on the back* A deliciously interesting post Bruno my dear fellow, a deliciously interesting post! I'd be very interested to see anything else you have on the Riemann Hypothesis and it's possible connection to a 'theory of everything'. There were

Re: The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-30 Thread Daddycaylor
Interesting! This reminds me of the old standby example of being able to find anysequence of digits in the digits of pi, and therefore being able to find whole digital "recordings" of "Gone With The Wind" or anything you desire, including your-whole-life-as-you-desire-it-to-be, if yousearch

The Riemann Zeta Pythagorean TOE

2006-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi, I think I have already mentionned it (four years ago?) but I have another Theory of Everything sleeping somewhere in my brain and books. I made an allusion about it yesterday in my post to Peter D Jones, and I take this as an opportunity to say some more words on it. Hope it is not too