Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
e end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-07, 17:56:48 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/7/2013 4:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb There are some errors in fact in the B

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-07 Thread meekerdb
On 1/7/2013 4:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb There are some errors in fact in the Bible, but IMHO it is inerrant with regard to faith and practice. By inerrant, I mean that it is completely consistent along those lines. You have to take it as a whole. By which you really mean that one

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 16:21:42 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/6/2013 12:57 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi meekerdb

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-06 Thread meekerdb
morality or ethics. Brent [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 14:15:41 Subject: Re: "The best of all

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 14:15:41 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/6/2013 5:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi meekerdb > > I'm sorry that Christ does not measure up to your liberal standards. I should have thought maintaining love and

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-06 Thread meekerdb
On 1/6/2013 5:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I'm sorry that Christ does not measure up to your liberal standards. I should have thought maintaining love and respect for one's family would be a conservative "family value". Brent Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peac

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
ing-list Time: 2013-01-05, 15:32:05 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/5/2013 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb You say, "It's that cartoon known as the Christian Bible. Brent For Christians, it's far more important to believe in

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2013 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb You say, "It's that cartoon known as the Christian Bible. Brent For Christians, it's far more important to believe in a god than to determine the accuracy of the hypothesis. That's why they had only two significant publications, and the most

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-04, 14:39:45 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2013, at 19:26, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:31, meekerdb wrote: On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created,

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-04 Thread meekerdb
On 1/4/2013 1:23 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/4/2013 3:18 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/3/2013 11:58 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerb, Heaven is not part of contingent creation, so your statement that there is no heaven is illogical or irrelevant. It was an inference from your statement, "Th

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-04 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/4/2013 3:18 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/3/2013 11:58 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerb, Heaven is not part of contingent creation, so your statement that there is no heaven is illogical or irrelevant. It was an inference from your statement, "This is because things can't be good everywher

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-04 Thread meekerdb
On 1/3/2013 11:58 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerb, Heaven is not part of contingent creation, so your statement that there is no heaven is illogical or irrelevant. It was an inference from your statement, "This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time." After the second

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
--- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 12:23:33 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:31, meekerdb wrote: On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is t

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/3/2013 9:59 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King I suppose that you're referring to the cpre-established perfect harmony, which makes it seem as if everything we do is determined (by God). IMHO that only means that God knows what we will do, not make the decision for us. Hi Roger

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:31, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that > the world down here, that God created, is necessarily imperfect, > so, as they say

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:31, meekerdb wrote: On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created, is necessarily imperfect, so, as they say "crap happens". This is because things can't be good everywhere

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
erdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 14:31:51 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created, is necessarily imper

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 09:49:53 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/3/2013 9:30 AM, Roger Clo

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Stephen P. King
ing-list <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> *Time:* 2013-01-02, 13:37:05 *Subject:* Re: "The best of all possible Worlds." On 1/2/2013 8:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I forgot add that that's why Leibniz called this "The best of all possible Worlds."

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 13:37:05 Subject: Re: "The best of all possible World

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created, is necessarily imperfect, so, as they say "crap happens". This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time. So there is no heaven. Br

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-02 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/2/2013 8:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I forgot add that that's why Leibniz called this "The best of all possible Worlds." Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy As to tornadoes, there are various views, usually part of "Theodicies". Her

"The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-02 Thread Roger Clough
I forgot add that that's why Leibniz called this "The best of all possible Worlds." Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy As to tornadoes, there are various views, usually part of "Theodicies". Here's the view I prefer, that of my