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10/20/2012
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From: Terren Suydam
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Time: 2012-10-19, 13:37:23
Subject: Re: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis
Hi Roger,
I'm not sure
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From: Terren Suydam
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Time: 2012-10-18, 15:28:22
Subject: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis
Hi Roger,
A quale as I understand it is simply a unit of subjective
experience. It's a bit of an abstraction since experience does not
reduce
claims about consciousness.
ROGER: That is the main thrust of the discussion here.
In my view, there is the subjective experience (which I am
trying to understand), and then there is the description of that
experience, I think we call 3p, which I think is what most people
(and autopoesis
: That is the main thrust of the discussion here.
In my view, there is the subjective experience (which I am
trying to understand), and then there is the description of that
experience, I think we call 3p, which I think is what most people
(and autopoesis (?)) use. I know there are loose ends in my
thought
Hi Terren Suydam
IMHO autopoesis, like all of AI, is a tool for the public, objective world
(Thirdness)
That is fine, but the real nitty-gritty (such as mind or consciousness)
dwells in subjective experiences (quale) (Firstness). So I don't find
autopoesis that useful
... interesting stuff.
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical thing to
measure. I
wouldn't know if my artificial life simulations
... interesting stuff.
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical thing to measure. I
wouldn't know if my artificial life simulations were
those 3p
structures can yield testable claims about consciousness.
Terren
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Terren Suydam
IMHO autopoesis, like all of AI, is a tool for the public, objective
world (Thirdness)
That is fine, but the real nitty
Hello people, right spelling is autopoiesis and to better understanding I
recommend reading Autopoiesis and Cognition and The Tree of Knowledge from
Maturana et Varela.
Roberto Szabó
Em 17/10/2012, às 09:25, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net escreveu:
Hi Terren Suydam
IMHO autopoesis
until well after its conception.
Thanks for the link to Barry McMullin... interesting stuff.
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I agree.
I was wrong about autopoesis. It is
a mind-boggling definition of life,
maybe not even that.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/15/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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autonomy.
Best,
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I agree.
I was wrong about autopoesis. It is
a mind-boggling definition of life,
maybe not even that.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/15/2012
Forever
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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From: Terren Suydam
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Time: 2012-10-15, 11:23:43
Subject: Re: Re: autopoesis
Hi Roger,
I'm interested in the thought process that led you to reject
autopoeisis. I was intrigued by your
Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical thing to measure. I
wouldn't know if my artificial life simulations were autopoetic or
not, except where the concept has been explicitly designed in (eg see
Barry McMullin's
Autopoesis is a useful definition for life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis
Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning self, and p???s?? (poiesis),
meaning creation, production) literally means self-creation and expresses a
fundamental dialectic among structure, mechanism
Hi Roger,
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Autopoesis is a useful definition for life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis
Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning self, and p???s??
(poiesis), meaning creation, production) literally
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