Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, On 31 Jan 2012, at 23:06, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/31/2012 3:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:11, Stephen P. King wrote: snip Hi, In Craig's defense I would like to point out that however trolling or postmodernist you might see his ideas, he is

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Feb 2012, at 00:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 31, 4:40 pm, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: What if a baby is fed a virtual reality from the day it was born? Assume that (as in the movie) the sensory inputs are rich enough that if we were to experience it, we would be

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/1/2012 6:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Stephen, On 31 Jan 2012, at 23:06, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/31/2012 3:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:11, Stephen P. King wrote: snip Hi, In Craig's defense I would like to point out that however trolling or

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Regarding the philosopher's nothing: This present moment exists, and it has no cause since our universe is a four dimensional structure (time is a subjective phenomenon). This

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-02-01 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: acw a...@lavabit.com wrote: A digital or analog camera would get similar amounts of noise as the eye, actually probably less than the eye. Why do you say that? Have you ever taken a photo with the lens cap on? I just

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2012 7:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Regarding the philosopher's nothing: This present moment exists, and it has no cause since our

Re: Qualia and mathematics

2012-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:33, meekerdb wrote: On 1/31/2012 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That's the reason mind exist, it accelerate the processing much more quickly. In fact, just by software change, the slower machine can always beat the faster machines, on almost inputs, except a

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Feb 2012, at 16:46, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 6:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Stephen, On 31 Jan 2012, at 23:06, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/31/2012 3:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:11, Stephen P. King wrote: snip Hi, In Craig's defense I

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.01.2012 22:49 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 04:23:12PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 28.01.2012 23:26 meekerdb said the following: On 1/27/2012 11:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A good suggestion. It well might be that I express my thoughts unclear, sorry

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.01.2012 23:00 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 04:30:38PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: The problem that I see is that the entropy changes when the temperature changes. Or do you claim that the entropy of the memory stick/DVD/hard disc remains the same when its

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.01.2012 23:06 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 09:41:27PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: On 1/28/2012 3:42 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On the other hand, if you just gave me the metallic platter from the hard disk, and did not restrict in any way the technology used

Re: Qualia and mathematics

2012-02-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.01.2012 23:47 meekerdb said the following: On 1/29/2012 9:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 29.01.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following: On 1/28/2012 3:15 PM, Pierz wrote: On Jan 28, 11:04 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: ... Let my quote Jeffrey Gray (Consciousness:

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/1/2012 7:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Regarding the philosopher's nothing: This present moment

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Regarding the philosopher's nothing: This present moment exists, and it has no cause since our

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/1/2012 3:06 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Feb 2012, at 16:46, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 6:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Stephen, On 31 Jan 2012, at 23:06, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/31/2012 3:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2012, at 19:11, Stephen P. King wrote:

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/1/2012 3:10 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 29.01.2012 22:49 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 04:23:12PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 28.01.2012 23:26 meekerdb said the following: On 1/27/2012 11:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A good suggestion. It well might

Re: Help with mailing list configuration

2012-02-01 Thread John Mikes
Jonathan, I am not the one helping you: I am a computer illitterate and use the Internet (since 1988) on a trial and error basis. On another list (MindBrain) the posts came in a compact format: first the titles with authors, then the texts - including all existing preliminaries - not only out of

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-01 Thread John Mikes
Evgenii, I am not sure if it is your text, or Russell's: ***In general, I do not understand what does it mean that information at zero Kelvin is zero. Let us take a coin and cool it down. Do you mean that the text on the coin will disappear? Or you mean that no one device can read this text at

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Regarding the philosopher's nothing: This present

Re: Help with mailing list configuration

2012-02-01 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:07 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: I am not the one helping you: I am a computer illitterate and use the Internet (since 1988) on a trial and error basis. Thanks John, I appreciate your willingness to help. However, my email was a mild (and perhaps altogether

Re: Help with mailing list configuration

2012-02-01 Thread John Mikes
I got the humor in your post alright, but we had a wise slogan in the old country; HUMOR always includes more than half of serious basis, so I responded to THAT part. John On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Johnathan Corgan jcor...@aeinet.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:07 PM, John Mikes

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/1/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Regarding the

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2012 8:34 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/31/2012 8:43

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/2/2012 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:34 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2012 9:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/2/2012 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:34 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM,

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/2/2012 1:46 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 9:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/2/2012 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:34 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On

Re: Big Bang belief

2012-02-01 Thread meekerdb
On 2/1/2012 11:03 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/2/2012 1:46 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 9:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/2/2012 12:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:34 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/1/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: