Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/3/2013 12:37 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi, When Bruno claims that physics can be derived from the UD, would a proof of that represent, on some level, a (partial) solution to the measure problem? Terren -- Hi Terren, It would seem so, or more accurately the other-way around. I just

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Mar 2013, at 21:58, meekerdb wrote: On 3/2/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2013, at 20:37, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2013 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2013, at 16:28, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2013 7:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2013, at 20:29,

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:56:18 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: It's still random. No, it isn't. If it were, then his book would be about the Neuronal Basis for The Illusion of Free Will.

The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect theory of mind

2013-03-03 Thread Roger Clough
The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect theory of mind The double aspect theory of mind considers the brain and its actions according to two aspects, the brain and the mind. There is no assignment of causation, there is only correlation. Leibniz's metaphysics,

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Stephen, That's a nice read but written under the materialist assumption so doesn't really apply to my question. Terren On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 3/3/2013 12:37 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi, When Bruno claims that physics can be

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-03-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Mar 2013, at 01:46, meekerdb wrote: On 3/2/2013 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2013, at 21:02, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2013 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In physics we sometimes get big numbers, like 10^88 or 10^120, but we never need 10^120 + 1. But physics is no more

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Mar 2013, at 06:37, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi, When Bruno claims that physics can be derived from the UD, would a proof of that represent, on some level, a (partial) solution to the measure problem? Yes. UDA gives the large shape (cf Plato versus Aristotle), and the translation in

Re: The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect...

2013-03-03 Thread Spudboy100
Questions. In your opinion, are Leibniz's monads individual thoughts, are the just another word for the soul, the who thing wrapped up together? How do these monads become part of the human brain? Are they generated by the brain, or do they emit out of some Platonic realm, to activate the

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread meekerdb
On 3/2/2013 11:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: So you admit that what you say contradicts the fact that you are intentionally saying it? Intentional, as far as I can understand its use in philosophy, is more or less equivalent to mental or conscious. You seem to take it as an a priori fact

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/3/2013 10:11 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Stephen, That's a nice read but written under the materialist assumption so doesn't really apply to my question. Terren Hi Terren, Hummm, I can translate it in my mind over to the dual... On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Stephen P.

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:35:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/2/2013 11:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: So you admit that what you say contradicts the fact that you are intentionally saying it? Intentional, as far as I can understand its use in philosophy, is more or less

Re: The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect...

2013-03-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
Mitch, My opinion is that monads are everywhere at a density of 10^90/cc, and they precipitated out of space in the big bang http://yanniru.blogspot.com/2013/ Richard On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Questions. In your opinion, are Leibniz's monads individual thoughts,

Re: The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect...

2013-03-03 Thread Spudboy100
In a message dated 3/3/2013 3:30:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, yann...@gmail.com writes: Mitch, My opinion is that monads are everywhere at a density of 10^90/cc, and they precipitated out of space in the big bang http://yanniru.blogspot.com/2013/ Richard Thanks, Richard. So you view

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Terren Suydam
Ok, maybe I'm missing something but I'm not sure how a paper that assumes physics can say anything about how physics might emerge from arithmetic. On Mar 3, 2013 2:49 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/3/2013 10:11 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Stephen, That's a nice read

Re: The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect...

2013-03-03 Thread Spudboy100
Richard, a very good paper you have there. The Mindspace recording mechanism you invoked sounds exactly like the Hindu akashic records feature to their religion. For people like myself, you'd need to expand on the particular physics of the recording, such as what is analogous to the

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/3/2013 3:43 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Ok, maybe I'm missing something but I'm not sure how a paper that assumes physics can say anything about how physics might emerge from arithmetic. Check out this paper: http://boole.stanford.edu/pub/ratmech.pdf On Mar 3, 2013 2:49 PM, Stephen

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I could easily think of evidence that would convince me, for example, that the moon landing was a hoax, but no conceivable evidence would have any bearing on the fact that everything is either determined or random,

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 3, 2013 6:54:27 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I could easily think of evidence that would convince me, for example, that the moon landing was a hoax, but no conceivable evidence would

Re: The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect...

2013-03-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Richard, a very good paper you have there. The Mindspace recording mechanism you invoked sounds exactly like the Hindu akashic records feature to their religion. For people like myself, you'd need to expand on the particular physics of

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
Well if what emerges from comp is not physics, then physics refutes comp. So that means that you can use physics to say what comp must emerge. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, maybe I'm missing something but I'm not sure how a paper that assumes

Re: measure problem

2013-03-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/3/2013 8:17 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Well if what emerges from comp is not physics, then physics refutes comp. So that means that you can use physics to say what comp must emerge. what is proposed is that both comp and physics are co-emergent and co-defining. Neither is

Ectopic Eyes Experient: Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes.

2013-03-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes. The genie about the reality of sense just doesn't seem to want to stay in the bottle... Craig http://www.newswise.com/articles/ectopic-eyes-function-without-connection-to-brain *Experiments with tadpoles show ectopic

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you *can* conceive of a third option. I think you're just saying you can, like saying that you can conceive of a four-sided triangle. I don't have to conceive of a third option, my will embodies it.

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02:02 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I don't think you *can* conceive of a third option. I think you're just saying you can, like saying that you can conceive of a four-sided