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On 8 July 2014 17:46, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/7/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 8 July 2014 14:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think comp implies that we won't have created consciousness, but we
will have enabled some of the consciousness that exists by
We're. we're.nt? Whew! that's a load off my back.
Of course ST is based on the assumption that the society is in perpetual danger
from the outer-space insect hordes,
(Maybe if we can modify the brain to remove the God Spot - but that might
have bad consequences...)
Yeah, I was
It sounds reasonable, however as the country tune says. Ya gotta stand for
something or you'll fall for anything. This lyric also made into a Chinese
fortune cookie, I once saw. On the specifics of the Jihad we now seem to face,
because of America's weakness by Bush but also by Obama,
Gee, I feel all deconstructed, like Jacque Derrida. Aw!
Why, when your question was answered and you don't answer what point you're
trying to get across with your posts or this unspecified hypothetical threat
scenario?
If you're asking for threat response, then I hold you haven't
Why bother with expensive carpet bombing. Just nuke them.
Unsigned
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List
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It sounds reasonable, however as the country tune says. Ya gotta stand
for something or you'll fall for anything. This
You get asked a question and you go nuts. What I suspect is that you simply
choke on having to revealing your level of antipathy toward this nation state.
That's my conclusion, but I demand nothing from you except a logical argument.
If its all the same to you. I'll just file it under the
Understood. I would have been tempted back in the days of Tora Bora in 2001. I
would want the Muslim realm to say to themselves, These people are pissed, and
they may come for us! You might know that I saw the Bushes and the Clintons
and even Barr, are affiliated with the Ruling Classes of
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You get asked a question and you go nuts. What I suspect is that you simply
choke on having to revealing your level of antipathy toward this nation
state.
Hahaha - of you suspect. I oppose hateful
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Understood. I would have been tempted back in the days of Tora Bora in 2001.
I would want the
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It sounds reasonable, however as the country tune says. Ya gotta stand for
something or you'll
Hatred is what drives you… hatred of muslims, hatred of liberals, hatred of
[fill in the box]
Yeah buddy. Of course there is no rational reason for such a dyspeptic pov is
there? Of course not. Hates the Constitution, Check!, Wants the US to succumb,
double check!
-Original
Yes, I can see what you are: Genocidal maniac, escaped from neocon
insane-asylum.
Chris
Last I checked, darlin', sanity has never been a dictum for human history, only
the use of raw power. Some suppose that the interest in freedoms,
responsibility, and rational government was a sometime
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Hatred is what drives you… hatred of muslims, hatred of liberals, hatred of
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Yes, I can see what you are: Genocidal maniac, escaped from neocon
That statement reminds me of one of Hunter S. Thomson's attorney, from his epic
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
You are batshit crazy dude!
We can't stop here, this is bat country!!!
Your refusal to rationally, reply, is super good with me, because you, and your
side, has no reply to
No I tend to agree with the Constitution, not that it didn't sacrifice Black
rights for the sake of the Union. But it was rational unlike your stalin
copycats.
Yes, I very much agree! You do hate the US Constitution; it stands in the way
of your megalomania and genocidal inclination Herr
On 06 Jul 2014, at 19:06, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Sure, even under Bush, Terror won, for the simple fact he was
reluctant to even name the enemy. Terrorism is a method, and not a
person, and as you point out, and BHO and his party, come from a
nuanced, progessivist, view, of
I will never be your 'darlin' -- not even after hell freezes over... so don't
get your hopes up piss ant.
Well, maybe its simply that He who lives by the state, dies by the state? I
have some distrust for all these guys you side with-Obama's NSA, Obama's FBI,
Obama's IRS. They are your's,
On 7/8/2014 1:17 AM, LizR wrote:
On 8 July 2014 17:46, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/7/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 8 July 2014 14:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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wrote:
I think comp implies that
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com
That statement reminds me of one of Hunter S. Thomson's attorney, from his epic
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
You are batshit crazy dude!
We can't stop here, this is bat country!!!
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I will never be your 'darlin' -- not even after hell freezes over... so don't
get your hopes up piss ant.
Well, maybe its simply that He who lives by the state, dies by the state? I
have
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No I tend to agree with the Constitution, not that it didn't sacrifice Black
On 07 Jul 2014, at 21:13, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/7/2014 8:14 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 6 July 2014 04:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Yes, but it's a theory of epistemology after the physical
fact. It
assumes without further justification what it wishes to prove,
No, it
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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You did not read the study I posted did you?
No, and I'm quite certain you didn't either,
The epidemiological evidence linking exposure to Radon to increased risk
of cancer is
On 05 Jul 2014, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote:
Yes, that's an interesting aspect of Bruno's theory. He identifies
provable with believes. But the the same kind of thing can be
done in a physical theory: believes = acts as if it were true.
There's even a whole theory of Bayesian inference
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:09 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
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That statement reminds me of one of Hunter S. Thomson's attorney, from his
epic Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
You are batshit crazy dude!
*We can't stop here, this is bat country!!!*
On 08 Jul 2014, at 19:16, meekerdb wrote:
It's not entirely facetious; it's pointing to a general problem with
everythingism theories. They hypothesize everything in some sense
(all arithmetic truth or all orbifolds of strings for example) and
consider that our world is thereby
On 7/8/2014 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-08 20:47 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Jul 2014, at 21:13, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/7/2014 8:14 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 6 July 2014
2014-07-08 21:23 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-08 20:47 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Jul 2014, at 21:13, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/7/2014 8:14 AM, David Nyman
On 9 July 2014 05:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 1:17 AM, LizR wrote:
On 8 July 2014 17:46, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/7/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 8 July 2014 14:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think comp implies that we won't have
On 9 July 2014 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But would it still be consciousness if there were no world that provided
referents for the program?
It's hard to imagine how you could do this *without* a world to supply
referents. Even if the world being simulated in the MGA was
On 7/8/2014 12:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-08 21:23 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 7/8/2014 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-08 20:47 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On
Sure, as long as you view the lives of jihadists as sacrosanct, and Americans
or others as disposable, the violence will continue because theres no incentive
for them no to. Just brilliant.
And it is a good thing too -- for everyone -- that batshit crazy genocidal
maniacs such as you are not
On 7/8/2014 1:36 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But would it still be consciousness if there were no world that provided
referents
for the program?
It's hard to imagine how you could do this /without/ a world to
You indicated you had a few disputes with Obama. His national security state is
obviously not one of these. It's merely a matter of Thank Stalin, its not a
rightwing security state. And the abuse of power has expanded vastly then under
Bushie-but, no matter. A fearless leader is a fearless
What's delightful about Left turds is their hilarious sense of superiority.
Oh, it seems clear to me that you would have been one that was just fine with
the institution of Slavery. for the sake of the union. Thanks for clarifying
that.
-Original Message-
From: 'Chris de Morsella'
Hunter never did anything badass except for his request to hunt wild hogs in
Washington State using thompson submachine guys. This guy nobody feared, but he
was a great writer. What I find stinks is the ethnicity of Leftists like
yourself. Back in the day they used to call goose steppers like
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What's delightful about Left turds is their hilarious sense of superiority.
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You indicated you had a few disputes with Obama. His national security state
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Sure, as long as you view the lives of jihadists as sacrosanct, and Americans
or others as disposable, the violence will continue because theres no incentive
for them no to. Just
Its not about cowardice or courage, now whos doing the manichean tango?
Its about taking in information tgatvwe havebon the world, and using
to to survive and thrive. Its not about 'Merican' pride and flags and
eagles and pickup trucks. Its about surviving what surely will be
coming. Its
Le 8 juil. 2014 22:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
On 7/8/2014 12:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-08 21:23 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-08 20:47 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014
No paymaster, no handlers, just a guy with an opinion different from
your own. I believe the jihad threat is factual, and for whatever
reason, you dismiss The threat as false. This is your choice, but sorry
to tell you, I don't follow the Party line, especially your parties
line. It hasn't
No paymaster, no handlers, just a guy with an opinion different from
your own. I believe the jihad threat is factual, and for whatever
reason, you dismiss The threat as false. This is your choice, but sorry
to tell you, I don't follow the Party line, especially your parties
line. It hasn't
Yeah the Patriot Acts and the FISA courts are illusions intended to
trick people into feeling safe, but does zero matetial good except
surrender freedoms that matter. Enhanced interogation in basically
suffocation torture, and theres no public evidence that it worked.
There are alternatives to
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Hunter never did anything badass except for his request to hunt wild hogs
in Washington State using thompson submachine guys. This guy nobody feared,
but he was a great writer. What I find
On 7/8/2014 3:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le 8 juil. 2014 22:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net a
écrit :
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2014-07-08 21:23 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 7/8/2014
On 7/8/2014 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Jul 2014, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote:
Yes, that's an interesting aspect of Bruno's theory. He identifies provable with
believes. But the the same kind of thing can be done in a physical theory:
believes = acts as if it were true. There's even
Le 9 juil. 2014 01:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
On 7/8/2014 3:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le 8 juil. 2014 22:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
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Its not about cowardice or courage, now whos doing the manichean tango?
Its
On 7/8/2014 4:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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écrit :
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On 8 July 2014 23:19, spudboy100 via Everything List
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We're. we're.nt? Whew! that's a load off my back.
I think the Daleks wiped them out.
Of course ST is based on the assumption that the society is in perpetual
danger from the outer-space
On 9 July 2014 09:10, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 1:36 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 07:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But would it still be consciousness if there were no world that
provided referents for the program?
It's hard to imagine how you
On 9 July 2014 12:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
the proof that mga gives is a reductio assumibg it's the physical
instantiation that gives the computation reality. The conscious computation
is assumed at the start given the requirement that we are in a
computationalist settings...
On 7/8/2014 6:03 PM, LizR wrote:
I still can't see how the computation can know that it's got a real world to relate to,
rather than a replay of the inputs recorded previously. Which as far as I know is all
the MGA relies on.
I can't see how a conscious digital computer programme being
On 7/8/2014 6:14 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 12:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
the proof that mga gives is a reductio assumibg it's the physical
instantiation
that gives the computation reality. The conscious computation is assumed at
the
On 9 July 2014 13:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:03 PM, LizR wrote:
I still can't see how the computation can know that it's got a real world
to relate to, rather than a replay of the inputs recorded previously. Which
as far as I know is all the MGA relies on.
I
On 7/8/2014 7:37 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 13:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:03 PM, LizR wrote:
I still can't see how the computation can know that it's got a real world
to relate
to, rather than a replay of the inputs
On 9 July 2014 14:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:14 PM, LizR wrote:
So suppose we have a conscious computer frozen in state S1. We start it
running and let it interact with its environment via, say, a body in the
form of a Mars Rover. We record all the inputs it
On 9 July 2014 14:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 7:37 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 13:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:03 PM, LizR wrote:
I still can't see how the computation can know that it's got a real world
to relate to, rather than a
Dear Telmo,
In light of recent nationalist spikes and troughs on the list, heartfelt
German apologies for the aggression of our country towards the Portuguese
speaking population of our pale blue dot.
As Bruno noted:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I've just been trying to work out if someone has now won the Footie World
Cup. I think from Wikipedia that Germany has, beating Brazil, which I
assume is the point of this post? Or have I got that wrong?
I only understand games like darts and snooker myself.
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Oops now I get it there are 2 matches to go. Netherlands vs Argentina and
then the winner vs Germany.
OK so it's not quite as complicated as nuclear physics. Probably.
On 9 July 2014 17:24, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I've just been trying to work out if someone has now won the Footie World
65 matches
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